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Tutu an icon
08/10/2008 08:43
I have to dissagree with your opening paragraph. I believe Desmon is a truely great man and I respect him more than any other person who makes it into the media. I am troubled that he doesn't intend to vote though. That's where I agree with you. We all need to vote. No matter how much you dislike the opposition, a vote not cast is a vote won by the ANC. Please people... We all MUST vote! - Brian |
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I can finally agree with you on something
08/10/2008 08:44
It's not often that I can agree with Len on anything, but certain parts of this article I do agree with. Si strongly disagree that Tutu should disappear, as he is one of the few with the courage to speak up. However, not voting would be criminal. I'll be voting DA, not because I think they're wonderful, but simply to strengthen the opposition. Someone really needs to step up and give us a party we can really be motivated to vote for. - Chris |
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Nobody needs his vote
08/10/2008 08:47
He's an attention seeker who's famous today because of the same ANC that he rebukes in public,He must not tell anybody if he decides not to vote,We all need to vote for our parties of choice,Let us all decide who We want as our leaders,be it Zuma,Zille or power hungry Lekota's party. - ML |
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Tutu
08/10/2008 08:50
Yeah, rather vote for ANYONE, then not voting. But with that said, Tutu has said some wise words this entire week. May he have many more bdays ahead of him. One for Malema:'Improve your argument, don't raise your voice' - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Opposition or abstaining
08/10/2008 08:52
There is a huge difference. Not voting ANC deprives them of a vote, voting someone else is double the swing. i.e. 2 votes as opposed to 1.
So there is merit in both depending on what you want to accomplish. If you dislike all parties, you should not abstain but rather spoil the ballot. Also very different results, and only 1 makes a point. - AJ |
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Voting for the sake of voting
08/10/2008 08:56
Good article Len! I vote for the guys in white coats to drag Zuma, Malema, Vavi and followers to the nearest asylum. - ShRoOm |
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Well said Len
08/10/2008 08:56
"A vote not cast is similar to a vote cast for the ANC." , couldn't have said it better myself. Tutu does have a right not to vote but again him not Voting will not solve his problems, his choice not to vote takes away hs ight of complaining in the future about the same things he failed to change by casting a vote and being counted. - Jinx |
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Oh poo...
08/10/2008 09:00
Me thinks thou dost protest too much... Personally I prefer not to vote. Why? Because honestly I have not found a party that represents me as an individual. You recon not voting is the same as voting for the ANC? I recon you need a cup of coffe and a wake-up call. This is the way Democracy works. I for one don't see the use of showing support for a party I don't believe in simply to irk the ANC. Nor do I believe in settling for second best simply because there are no other choices. - LJ Graey |
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i also cant
08/10/2008 09:02
i am also cant vote for vavi,malema,zuma and u forgot blade,meaning that i cant for for the ANC,i am waiting for the new party to be formed and i will vote for it,if not so i am not going to vote like tutu - vts |
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it doesn't matter
08/10/2008 09:02
doesn't matter if he votes or not, who is he to threaten not to vote and when is he going to start preaching the word of GOD isn't that his true calling - morena |
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@Len, I agree with you on Tutu but...
08/10/2008 09:03
You are actually defeating the purpose of voting by suggesting that people should vote even if it means destroying the ballot. Grandpa Desmond, as a clergyman should not publicly pronounce his political affiliation. He is actually irrationally mingling too much into party politics which will soon lead to his downfall. He is gradually losing integrity among black voters just like the DA under the draconic Zille. There is no way I'll spoil my vote by voting for a spoilt brat like Holomisa. The ANC has clearly articulated its policies which is forever appealing to me and the masses. Otherwise voting differently is the same as handing power back to the oppressive and cruel whites. - Cooler box |
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ML - Disrespect
08/10/2008 09:04
Please dont cause your blind loyalty to the ANC to disrespect one of the most awesome persons in SA history. You are merely showing your malemaness. - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Different view
08/10/2008 09:04
Look Len..I'm just an ordinary member of the public so whatever I say cannot change the price of bread. Tutu on the other hand is a world known (respected & influential) man of the cloth. When he speaks people listen and most will accepts as is...because Tutu said so. A reckless statement by a leader is dangerous..I agree with u one aspect though, that Tutu must retire. - Dont underestimate the power of influence |
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NEW!! political Party
08/10/2008 09:05
Where is that New political party, I will vote for that one!!!!! and tutu also - Thabo |
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Voting
08/10/2008 09:06
LvH is more concerned about making a noise that making sense-"vote,even if you destroy the ballot?"- what type of stupid is that, wasting everyones time? Vote with your head-what party is actually going to do something good for SA & all its citizens. Think big,think for the future, think positive! VIVA the NEW party on its way. And Bishop Tutu- how dare you suggest that he retire?no one actually cares what u think-Bishop Tutu has been a great advocate for SA& human rights-no, I am not Anglican - cos |
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never learn...
08/10/2008 09:07
One thing about the masses of people on this continent is that they never learn!!! Trust me, there'll be those who still go vote ANC; those who stay home not voting, then bitch when ANC wins. Most will always follow the path of least resistance... - Pensive |
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@Len
08/10/2008 09:07
We don?t want to know how many times have you voted and whom you voted for. It is none of our business. For Tutu, I don?t think he should have gone to far and make such noise in public, he knows where the ANC offices are (even if he is not a member), the thing is, he is our legend, he should do like wise and not telling us what we don?t waana hear. Regarding your article, yes this is one of the best articles I have come across; you should have deleted your last paragraph. I agree with that if you don?t vote you give ANC a chance to get more votes, and we don?t expect you to moan around. - Mendjos |
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I was never a big fan of Tutu
08/10/2008 09:08
But recently I started to agree with him , seems he took he's blinkkers off and seen the ANC for wehat they are. I do agree everyone should vote BUT PLS People Leave the ANC out of these Elections ,,,, Go DA haha - charlie |
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@Len
08/10/2008 09:09
I agree in full on the voting part. I'd rather cast a vote for the small fries in the "political" arena. I do however have a problem with your statement on DT, The dude is an icon of the "struggle" era and I was raised to respect the elders unlike the malema's of this continent. Obviously the guy feels that what they fought for is already in the stomach of the power hungry wolfs making it's way to the anus. I laugh all the way at the IDIOTISM that is the ANC? - Francois |
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Tutu the fool
08/10/2008 09:09
For someone who fought for democracy and then to turn around and say he will not vote - the fundamental basis of democracy - is just plain stupid. If he wanted to make a statement he could have said he will not vote for the ANC but someone else, all he conveyed to the disgruntled population is that there are no credible opposition parties and there is no way of changing things... Rubish! vote for another party! - GWW |
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@Cooler box - "oppressive and cruel whites"
08/10/2008 09:15
With racist comments like yours I am once again reminded of WHY I don't and never will vote for the ANC! Get that chip off your shoulder, Apartheid ended years ago and your wonderful ANC have been in power ever since. You are being oppressed by your own race so stop blaming the whites for your lot in life... in fact, the only person you should blame is yourself. - ShRoOm |
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New Party to be announced!?
08/10/2008 09:15
Just read that according to Radio 702 an announcement regarding the "new party" will be made at 10:00 today!!! I can't wait to see what they offer, policy wise. This might be the beginning of a TRUE democracy in RSA!! - Lee |
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Tutu and his own goal
08/10/2008 09:16
All he has achieved with his little protest is an own goal - not voting is a vote of confidence in the ANC . People should not follow his example - ofcorsa |
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Sensible arguments
08/10/2008 09:16
Len, you maker some very sensible arguments. I agree with you that we need to get rid of this "who cares" mentality and get actively involved. Tutu is giving the impression that the ANC is the single option out there. - Funnybones |
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@Cooler Box
08/10/2008 09:17
"Otherwise voting differently is the same as handing power back to the oppressive and cruel whites." WTF? Your sense of freedom is as dull as your above statement. I know who and what I am so please refrain from your lameness and seek life elsewhere... - Francois |
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I can't wait
08/10/2008 09:18
VTS and I are on the same page here, I am definitely going to vote but not for the Hooligans obiviously. I am waiting for the new party to be formed. I think i am going to be the first person to register for the membership. To our beloved archbishop: abstaining from voting won't help, rather jump ship. The new party will be announced pretty soon. Welcome on board. - Kenzito |
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Tutu is a member of The Elders
08/10/2008 09:19
Along with Madiba, Jimmy Carter, Kofi Annan... Their purpose is to speak out and take action where needed. Also have a programme to convince leaders to step out gracefully after their term expires. - HT |
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But...
08/10/2008 09:20
he doesn't have to influence other S. Africans of his decision. There are other parties to can vote for. He is a man of cloth and he rather preach unity and tolarence rather than taking side in politics.
I he becoming a "older Malema?" - Squash |
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@morena
08/10/2008 09:21
FYI - Tutu has retired from the church. Don't you think as a respected Senior Citizen of this country(world) he is entitled to his opinion? - Lee |
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Tutu
08/10/2008 09:26
I was very disppointed when such a respectd leader publicly voiced his decision not to vote. Our democracy needs as much public participation as is possible. I also was disapppointed by the way that he seemed to endorse a view that its the ANC or nothing. Even if you love the ANC, the only way to voice your dissatisfaction is through your vote -its sad that he chooses not to. - VG |
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TUTU
08/10/2008 09:27
Me thinks Tutu's past has finaly caught up with him . His campaigning for sactions etc also hurt others and now he releases all his efforts has come to naught and all his Awards for freedom and peace were a farce. He should hav e stuck to preaching and not Politics , they do not mix - jimmy b |
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@Cooler Box
08/10/2008 09:29
U really believe that apartheid will return and that's why u keep on voting ANC? Look at Zim. The "return of apartheid" is the last thing that could possibly happen that u should be worried about. U are sooo naive & that is what is expected of u, as a supporter. - Cooler Box |
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@Dont underestimate - Mandela should be the one
08/10/2008 09:33
Tutu has not reflected on the plight of the country but has been vocal on issues affecting the ANC. We get to hear about him when he speak out on ANC matters. There is poverty issues, housing, education and crime. He seem to make the headlines only on issues affecting the ANC. He is mind is gradually retiring.The is a difference between the issues affecting the ANC and issues affecting the country. Tutu must draw the line between the two. He is an archbishop after all. I'll vote for the ANC. - Tevin C |
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Too old to have an opinion?
08/10/2008 09:35
I agree with you that one should vote. Whether you are 18 or 88. I find your opinion that older people should rather shut up and retire extremely arrogant. Maybe these young snot noses of today should rather be quiet until they are old enough to speak sense gained from life experience. I think Desmond Tutu is one of the few remaining ANC members that are still sane, feet on the ground and still speaks total sense most of the time. - TB |
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@ Len...really man -.-
08/10/2008 09:35
You say you don't understand the debate around this but here u are writing another useless article, continuing the saga....I can't believe u wasted ur time again. U should retire from writing columns and disappear into the grasp of ur family. - Anti-Zuma : Wash corruption off "easily" |
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I agree but then disagree
08/10/2008 09:39
Len i agree with the right we have not to vote but i disagree with your options laid out. What Desmond Tutu (a man i have immense respect for)is highlighting is that he is a supporter of the ANC and he would like to see the ANC get their ducks in a row. Something i think we would all like to see. By Tutu expressing himself he is merely highlighting the fact that the ANC have problems, something you and i can't do. - John Camp |
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cooler box
08/10/2008 09:43
It exaclty your attitude that gives "oppressive and cruel whites" our attitude , think a bit about that ... Mshimi wami ,Mshimi wami !! - charlie |
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@GWW
08/10/2008 09:44
It is his democratic right to choose not to vote and also his right to keep it secret or to pronounce it publicly. Just because he doesn't do what you want him to do does not make him a fool. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink - have you ever heard that saying? - ShRoOm |
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my vote
08/10/2008 09:45
I only voted once, and I have been bitchin about the government of the ANC, I guess I will go and vote and give my vote to the "soccer party" or something. as a black person it hurting to see what is currently happening politically, the Zuma suppoerters are saying that Mbeki supporters put an idnividual before the country/party but they are doing the same thing when it comes to Zuma.
like Archbishop said where is the new party? - Dacon |
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Tutu = National Rolemodel
08/10/2008 09:45
"We are travelling through a wilderness. Some have reached the Jordan and crossed over. And having crossed over they have forgotten the ones who are still in the wilderness." - Tutu. And another awesome quote from this week:"It was a great deal easier to fight ?against? something, such as apartheid, than ?for? something." - Tutu - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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Is it the party or the people in the party?
08/10/2008 09:45
The argument is that the ANC's policies are so great and that you should be loyal to the ANC. But are the people in the ANC competent to apply those policies? And Len, Tutu, Madiba and other (Carter, Annan...) are members of The Elders. It is their job to comment on issues. Go check out their mandate before you call to disband them. http://www.theelders.org/elders/ - HT |
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Len, len len!!
08/10/2008 09:45
Voting for some of us means more than just a cross in the ballot paper. When I vote it means I am putting a stamp on something that I approve and believe in wholeheartedly. Thus if there is nothing out there that I believe in, I would simply not vote because for me it is not good enough to just "spoil" the ballot paper or vote for another "small" party, for me that is the same as being a lazy citizen. - KLZ |
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Tutu = National Rolemodel
08/10/2008 09:45
"We are travelling through a wilderness. Some have reached the Jordan and crossed over. And having crossed over they have forgotten the ones who are still in the wilderness." - Tutu. And another awesome quote from this week:"It was a great deal easier to fight ?against? something, such as apartheid, than ?for? something." - Tutu - Sinudeity@Gmail.com |
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No disrespect whatsoever
08/10/2008 09:46
But the old man must do what he's assigned to,preach the word of God,not getting involved in politics,leave that to politicians.Tutu is got a long nose,he must just retire peacefully and go earn his pension and enjoy the Nobel prize - ML |
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@LJ Graey
08/10/2008 09:46
Whether you vote or not is up to you. What i find annoying is someone who whinges and complains about how a country is run and when you ask them if they voted the say no. Those people lose that right when they choose their right not to vote. I hope you aren't one. ;-) - John Camp |
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@VG
08/10/2008 09:48
I actually agree with you today - it is sad that he doesn't want to vote. But then again, it is his democratic right not to and we have to respect that. - ShRoOm |
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Cooler box
08/10/2008 09:49
It always amazes me that we can manage to have a really good debate until the likes of Cooler Box, Cape Town Kid and Calvin MKhize will saunter on here and immediately attack white people in general. Please, go start a facebook group or something and leave people who are serious about debating and discussion peacefully and who show real concern for the FUTURE of this country. - Richard Hipkin |
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TUTU MUST RETIRE FROM PUBLIC LIFE
08/10/2008 09:52
Mbeki once told Tutu to shut up because he has never been a member of the ANC & he doesn't understand ANC internal processes, how ironic dat today Tutu wants de public to join him in empathy of Mbeki, de situation is fragile @ de moment for him to be making such reckless statement even it is his freedom of speech, it also shows little understanding of democracy on his part cause he can still vote for DA,UDM & exercise his right, ANC is not the only party in SA, we do need progressive opposition. - Paul aka the communist Montele |
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I think is Tutu's democratic right to choose when to retire
08/10/2008 09:52
as well Len. I don't care who anyone votes for as long as it's not Zuma's ANC. But i agree people must vote. - tshepo |
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Eish...
08/10/2008 09:52
Hey, man - get a grip. If there is ANYBODY in South Africa fit to fill Mandela's shoes, it's Tutu. Cause whatever you can say about the man, his prime directive in life is Consistency. He's crapping on the ANC for the same reasons he crapped over the Nats years ago. I just love the guy - he calls a spade a spade, whether the spade-wielder is pink, orange, green, (or God help us) black or white. - Henk |
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"Vote Even If You Destroy The Ballot"
08/10/2008 09:53
Now what kind of a plonker of an idea is THAT? Thanks for telling us that you voted ANC 3 times - now we know that you too are one of those that has kept this dysfuntional government in power for 14 years. Thanks again, brainbox. - Cynical |
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how has YOUR situation improved under ANC?
08/10/2008 09:53
Every person needs to ask himself/herself how has their life imrpoved under the ANC. Surely they were voted into power to improve the life of EVERY SA citizen.Have they managed to get anywhere near that in the past 15 years?certainly not!It's time to give ANOTHER party a chance to better our lives?Instead of talking DO RESEARCH on all parties and then make an EDUCATED decision. Don't spend the next 4 years wishing you had voted with your head and not your heart.Time for excuses is now OVER! - Mazakadza |
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@Lee
08/10/2008 09:54
Ok Lee then why does he most of the time have his rope on, i respect him as senior citizen but not in politics he honestly needs to retire or start his own party if the ANC is not to his liking - morena |
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Ok
08/10/2008 09:58
Now that I have forgiven Cooler Box for his below the belt comment. I remain dubious about this new party, there is nothing new about this party, it will contain old faces with old policies. As for Tutu, he is free to do and say what ever he wants and its no one's right to question that. Simple. - Richard Hipkin |
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@ShRoOm - we are not blind yet
08/10/2008 10:00
You did not vote ANC and will not in the near future. You and I know the true reason. Apartheid (policies) ended in 1994 but its legacy and carriers are still alive and around. The ANC has not oppressed anyone at all. The internal squabbles within the ANC don't necessarily translate into votes for the so called opposition. I guarantee 90 percent of blacks will not be fooled. - Tevin C |
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Paul Montele
08/10/2008 10:01
Why must he retire??? The only reason you want him to retire is because he's honest and open and you feel threatened by him. You want everything handed on a plate and fight for nothing, typical. Oh and please write proper english that we can all read. - John Camp |
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@Cynical
08/10/2008 10:02
i voted for the ANC 3 times, now try to make me feel bad about it too you won't get anywhere wiht it and YES i'm voting ANC come next year and YES they have made a difference in my life and NO i'm not a BBBEE cat - morena |
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D. Tutu
08/10/2008 10:03
one very important point people have missed is that he said he would not vote IF ELECTIONS WERE HELD TO-MORROW. That is quite different !!! - Froggy |
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Welcome a new political party in SA-its healthy democracy
08/10/2008 10:04
Seemingly Tutu is not held in high regard by some of the commentators (incl. the author), if this is the case why does it bother any of themu so much what the man has to say. If the anc or any other party is so convinced that they will win/have mass support, Tutu's comments (if true) are really nothing to worry about. Now go and campaign in the streets, not the internet! - lekkalik |
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Leave him be
08/10/2008 10:06
It's Desmond Tutu's democratic right to voice his opinion. He fought for it. When any of you have won a nobel prize, then you can critizise him! Respect your elders. - Chantelle |
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@Richard Hipkin
08/10/2008 10:07
"...until the likes of Cooler Box, Cape Town Kid and Calvin MKhize..." All the names that start with the letter 'C' (for Cape Town Kid that is the THIRD letter of the MxIT alphabet). Conspiracy theory? - ShRoOm |
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The people in the party make the party
08/10/2008 10:09
Going on about disagreeing with the leaders of the ANC but still voting ANC is not very bright. The leaders of a party make the party, it is their views which are implimented as policies in the party. I think most people will agree that the current ANC is not the party it used to be so it makes sense to change. Small parties are small because nobody votes for them, if more people backed them they would become bigger so stop shying away from small parties, they can also make a difference. - Karen |
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I strongly Agree With You
08/10/2008 10:09
I strongly agree with you there.. The other option is if there is a split, the 40% at Polokwane would move over to a new Party..
What that means is the the South Africa public should then come out strongly in Support..
This is an opportunity which did present itself to the Zimbabweans when the ZANU almost split in the early 90 after the previous strong Secretary General formed ZUM. Zimbabwean middle class abstained form the vote.. hence the rather too late reponse when MDC was formed.s - Henry Haines |
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@Tevin C - "You and I know the true reason."
08/10/2008 10:12
Don't make statements you cannot back up with facts. The reason why I don't vote for the ANC has and always will be about delivery. The facts are they have not delivered on their promises of fighting crime, providing homes to the poor, fighting HIV/AIDS and have only managed to substantially increase corruption! To think that white people in this country vote for a party just based on the colour of someone's skin is ridiculous! We all want a better country where everyone can live in peace. - ShRoOm |
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Tell them Arch
08/10/2008 10:12
Tutu must speak when these fatcat politicians fight for power and money while the masses suffer.Tutu is not a poloticain, but a great human rights activist who contributed to our freedom..You tell them Arch!! - IandI |
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Mazakadza
08/10/2008 10:13
My answer to your question would be: yes. Based on that logic, then I would be expected to vote ANC in the next elections -as many will.I think that if you continue to believe that all ANC supporters vote for the party based on emotion alone, you'll miss the point. - VG |
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Rise Up!
08/10/2008 10:14
Come on Tutu time to practice what you preach..(advertise)?! - Tsotsi |
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WOW!
08/10/2008 10:16
I have just read the responses published about the imminent split in the ANC. If the commentary is anything to go by, we can look forward to a very intersting election in 2009. Typical how the stereotype commentators opposing the split have a go at the man and show no proper debate worth publishing. No names mentioned! ;-) - John Camp |
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Morena
08/10/2008 10:16
You have set quite a low standard for yourself then. Why not raise the bar of your expectations a little. In the absence of any other party post 1994 to compare with, your allegience is simplistic. - AJ |
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Let me just clarify something...
08/10/2008 10:16
We are all here debating which party to vote for with the idea of improving this country. Nobody is here with a 'racist' agenda. If I don't like the ANC it does not make me a racist! It is my democratic right to disagree with their policies on HIV/AIDS, crime prevention, BEE and Affirmative Action. Skin colour has nothing to do with it and I sincerely wish the racist people who still think we are living under an Apartheid government would stop refering to skin colour on these forums! - ShRoOm |
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@ Tevin C
08/10/2008 10:16
You are so blind you think you can see... - Neil |
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Mr Tutu is right
08/10/2008 10:20
I think Mr. Tutu has a right to say wahtever he want to say. One cannot blame him for what he feels and what he thinks it is the right thing to do. Everyone knows whatever comes out of Julius Malema's mouth is a piece of crap. So the fact the he attacked our South African icon Mr. Tutu we can not at all blame it on Mr. Tutu's expression of feelings. I am now have a valid reason not to vote now since ANC was my only option is I decided to vote. - Luyolo |
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Tutu
08/10/2008 10:20
Can't agree with you Len - Desmond Tutu regardless of what you might think of him has done more for humanity than you could in probably ten of your lifetimes, do you have reasons for not liking him? He fought for the right to vote and if he is considering not voting then you can only imagine how tough it must have been to come to that decision. I would rather not vote either - there is simply no party in SA worth voting for currently. - Zee |
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Cooler Box
08/10/2008 10:21
What a chop! I agree go start a Facebook group or something, or put more sugar in your coffee you way too bitter. - Point Blank |
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No Zuma
08/10/2008 10:21
I think Mr Tutu voted for the Anc all these past years and when he said he won`t vote, he actually meant that he can`t vote for the present day Anc.I will not vote for the Anc as well as long as Zuma is the "Leader". I will not endorse this man. Never ever - stanley |
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"Preacher or no preacher, everyone is entitled to have their say."
08/10/2008 10:21
"No disrespect whtsoever" - dude I have no idea what your religion is but if you go back to the origins of religions, preachers were hectically involved in politics, besides, being a preacher does not strip him of his humanly right to vote. (Clear your brains of any stereotypical or prejudiced ideologies before you attack Tutu/ anyone). Let's have a new party lest South Africa become slike Zimbabwe! Change is always good and it is the only thing that's consistent in life! - ready for a new party. - Grace |
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Good Ole Tutu
08/10/2008 10:23
I both respect and admire Desmond Tutu. He made one silly statement regarding not voting- but that does not take away from all the good he has done and is still doing. He has been a sane voice in the political madness.We can learn a lot from him. I hope he is spared for many more years as he is a national treasure. - Mark T |
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Re: Morena
08/10/2008 10:23
"i voted for the ANC 3 times" .... "and YES i'm voting ANC come next year and YES they have made a difference in my life and NO i'm not a BBBEE cat" You forgot to add "and yes I am a blind sheep and no I can't think for myself and yes I do feel like a twat and no....." - Cynical |
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TUTU
08/10/2008 10:26
Pathetic Tutu--we worked hard for the right to vote.He should have kept his decision to himself.
How can we now have effective opposition party to restrain the ANC, if people do not vote.??Thrasher.
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What's with th anti-Zille rant?
08/10/2008 10:26
The author says Zille is a carbon copy of Vavi...How so? Vavi is a populist, left leaning politician, who wants power for powers sake. Zille, operates understands the limitations of what she and her party can achieve, popular across parties (even if some people may not vote her party), and believes in governing not power. - Mnyandu |
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@ Shroom
08/10/2008 10:27
Those that continiously use the race card, both black and white, use it because they do not possess, nor do they want to, the knowledge of the world around them enough to present debateable arguments. You would also find that these people are inherently racist and will use any public platform to display their racism, I rarely take these people seriously. I do however pity them a great deal. A sad life indeed. - Richard Hipkin |
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I agree with spoiling the ballot (not destroying)
08/10/2008 10:30
A spoiled ballot is counted as part of the vote, but is not a vote for anyone. For everyone who can't find a party that represents them this is the best way to go, not simply not going to the polls. I voted for small parties in 1994 and since then decided rather to spoil my ballot as this makes the statement. The political parties have no measure of dissatisfaction vs. apathy. Stand up and be counted - spoil your ballot. - CTheB |
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Fence Sitting
08/10/2008 10:33
Mussolini was voted in by a low turnout at the polls or rather by people failing to vote. Fence sitters should show some courage and vote for an opposition party. This is the only way in which a person can display disapointment. - Shonilanga |
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A right to vote
08/10/2008 10:38
Wow, you have inspired me, i voted in the first elections, the second i did not vote, i was contemplating not voting this time around but you have inspired me to go out and express myself, unfortunately the ANC can kiss my vote goog-by, they no longer represent the ideals of the ANC we knew. I will definately be seeking an alternative party to vote for! thanks again. - Pitso |
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Re:shroom
08/10/2008 10:41
Then Tutu has no right to comment or moan about the ANC, as he has now chosen to give up his democratic right of choice. - ofcorsa |
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The man, Desmond Tutu.
08/10/2008 10:46
He is an Icon, a man of great principal, honesty, integrity and love of this country. When he walked in the front lines of most of the marches against Apartheid, he was revered by all ANC members. Now that he is telling you the truth, he has to dissapear. He is still that very same man. May God Bless and Keep him. Why can most of the people not see what does, that SA is on a landslide slip into oblivion. Do not vote ANC. They will kill this country. Listen to the Arch. He is Wise. - Alicia |
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@JOHN CAMP
08/10/2008 10:47
When Mbeki told him to shut up because he is not an ANC member why didn't he say he is no longer going to vote (HYPOCRICY) english is not my mother tongue and as long as i can get my point across that's all dat matters, cause ke tla bua sesotho empa ke a tseba ha o se tsebe fokol so BACK OFF. - Paul aka the communist Montele |
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vote or not to vote?
08/10/2008 10:51
Now that everyone has had their daily racial dig, would ity be possible to return to the subject we are meant to be debating? Len is correct abstaining from voting is tantamount to voting for the ANC. If there is no viable opposition,it is collectively our fault as we have not made our needs clearer. - Sven Gohre |
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VG
08/10/2008 10:52
Ok then it is YOUR right to vote for the party that has changed your life for the better!However all i can see on this forum in many instances are disgruntled people who will not vote as they have become disillusioned with the ANC.So my logic says,find a party with whom you align more than with the ANC by researching all the options out there.Unfortunately people in this country are too used to being spoonfed so laziness and non-voting is just a blatant copout.Bring ANC to book! - Mazakadza |
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Len - Well done
08/10/2008 10:55
Excellent article, it is not rocket science, please vote!!! Would like to know what do you mean by you can understand why black people would not want to vote for the DA because of the lack of leadership in the DA. Is this not a bit racist? Further is it about leadership or getting this done? i.e. back to morals and work ethics. Things Paul Montele, Cooler Box and cronies will never understand, handouts are much better. - HC |
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ANC not only choice
08/10/2008 10:57
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