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Cope not coping

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2008-11-25 11:13

Bongani Mageba, News24 User

It would seem to me that as COPE is moving from the infant stage to being a new kid on the block, it is already showing some of the signs of more mature parties.

In particular COPE is starting to show that they are no different from any of the 148 registered political parties and more specifically the ruling party and four or so of the main opposition parties. This lack of distinction from the current political players is instructive.

We have been told from extreme heights that COPE will bring about change in our body politic. Even in these early stages I would like to argue that we will see or experience none of that change. The main reason being that there is no compelling reason for COPE to exist. However, at the same time one must point out that they have every right to promote their views.

Beyond the t-shirts, villifying of freedom songs, hypocritical claim to the Freedom Charter, a lack of understanding of the rule of law and a hatred for Jacob Zuma and Julius Malema, there is very little that this new infant on the block will offer South Africans. They have struggled to come up with a party name. Instead they have sought to use or abuse their knowledge of the struggles led by the ANC.

They have begun to insult their opponents in the most extreme manner that even Julius Malema has hitherto not been accused of. For example calling Jacob Zuma a rapist. There is no evidence of such and currently he has no case against him.

They have shown early tendencies of not understanding what the rule of law means by continuously talking in flagrant disregard of the Pretorius J verdict on the alleged rape case against Jacob Zuma. Furthermore, they continue to accuse Blade Nzimande of corruption when the investigation showed there was no such evidence against Mr Nzimande.

Finally, and most interestingly they have begun to form camps as quoted in the Sunday Independent. On the latter point this is by far the most obvious sign to all those who may hold different views that they will not add any substantial value to our body politic. It is reported that Shilowa and Lekota do not see eye to eye on the leadership issue. It is also reported that Mluleki George is seeking a senior position because he has the most identifiable constituency.

The reason all of this is happening so quickly is simply because they are diehard separatists. Secondly, it is because there are no honest policy differences between COPE and the ANC. So when all is said and done this COPE thing is about prolonging of political careers of leaders who by most standards are still young. Because of their youth they cannot contemplate a situation where they have no access to power and allocation of resources!

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Juan 11/25/2008 11:22:21 AM
cope was formed by disgruntled anc members who lost theire high paying jobs and positions of power. ANYONE would miss all that money for doing nothing. When they were in the anc they had poor performance records and did very little to alleviate the plight of the masses. Unfortunately the masses will vote anc, even when theire next meal comes off the back of a UN truck.
Jozi Warrior 11/25/2008 11:32:20 AM
I cant stand pro-zuma supporters who think they know everything and anything. Bongani, read more, you will realise that the George issue is a ploy by the ANC to discredit COPE. YES WE CAN COPE.YES COPE IS THE NEW KID ON THE BLOCK, and it will make sure the Rapist, IDIOTS (Malema), and liers (Cronin, Nzimande,Vavi, Zuma), will not take full majority at the next elections. We as black people loved the ANC,but we are EMBARRASED by the current leadership, hence VIVA COPE. ANC better start COPE-ing.
Citizen 11/25/2008 11:33:34 AM
These ANC vs COPE letters are getting boring now. You wrote "there is no compelling reason for COPE to exist."We say, there is no compelling reason for your letter to be taken seriously or to be written in the first place. is there no news in SA, we are writing about the same stuff over and over and over. Same old same old bla bla bla
Wayne 11/25/2008 11:33:38 AM
I agree with you. South African politics is just more of the same. More of the same promises, more of the same insults. We need leaders to stand up and make a difference and we need the public to stand up and demand that they do. South Africans have become to complacent, and our political leaders have used this to look after their own interests. Unless we start demanding better service from our politicians and their departments we deserve what we get after the elections.
Sven Gohre 11/25/2008 11:39:13 AM
Bongani, I presume and I know it is dangerouse to do so, that you are a staunch propagandist of the ANC. It is becoming tiresome to hear the repeated bleating of the ANC sheep of "All COPE wants to do is prolong the carreers of disgruntled leaders cast aside by the democratic resultys of Polokwane" When will the failings of the ANC be questioned and the obviously Flawed Zuma be brought to book?
Boerseun 11/25/2008 11:43:52 AM
Good article I must say, very impressive. But i'm still voting COPE!!! You see anything, I mean anything is better than the ANC so viva COPE!!!
MMD 11/25/2008 11:43:56 AM
I totally agree with you. Lekota and Shilowa lacks truth and honesty, they mix their facts about why they left ANC. Last week, Lekota at PTA, instead of mentioning what are their economic policies, he started criticizing Zuma about collective concesus on economic policies since he has no knowledge of such. I wonder if decision he made while he was a Chairman of ANC was from him? These three maskertees can't stand for themselves nor be active in their dealings. It's not late, come n apologise
Gugu 11/25/2008 11:44:56 AM
Please speak for yourself, I am a black person and I am not voting for COPE, so please don't confuse you and your friends as the entire SA black race look beyond your nose please, Good luck you are going to need as the ANC will win.Nice letter Bongani, Cope are nothing but digruntled ANC members who want tio cling to power!
Ginger 11/25/2008 11:53:52 AM
It is so sad that Mandela is too old to run the country. The rubbish we have now is not what he fought for. He believed in uplifting the nation. Why is it that all we see now is power hungry idiots who don't seem to be interested in upliftment but instead - self glorification. Where are the houses? the jobs? the decent hospitals? Deliveries? It seems that the politicians have been derailed by greed and forgotten what they are supposed to be doing - being civil SERVANTS and serving the people.
GR8 11/25/2008 11:54:22 AM
Do we seriously have 148 registered parties? That is unbelievable, no wonder we are in dire straights. And COPE is just a carbon copy of And Nobody Cares
Malo 11/25/2008 11:56:12 AM
Sure. Yes we are coping even if we dont cope. DA has my vote. Until ANC change its leadership. Sorry my vote belongs to other political parties. VIVA COPE VIVA. VIVA DEMOCRACY VIVA
Jones 11/25/2008 11:58:02 AM
Comrades, please let us resist from giving this lifeless group of angry people a platform to assume supreme space in the political arena. I can't Waite for the Election date so that it can be buried once and for all. The more we mention its name which they don?t have there more we give it publicity and that's all the need. Please leave the reject, dropouts, renegades and their surrogates to their define terrain, which is in the periphery.
Ronnie 11/25/2008 12:00:24 PM
The formation of COPE will mean that, especially SA's Black populace, will be forced to think a bit further than their noses before they cast their next vote...which is great for a better SA! Hope the masses will cope with that though...
Gordon 11/25/2008 12:01:01 PM
I had the same observation like you Bongani. There doesn't to be a policy difference between the ANC and the grouping presently calling itself COPE except the deep personal dislike of JZ and the leadership elected at Polokwane by the loosers who happen to be the current leaders of " COPE ". South Africans are not as stupid as some want us to be. Fourteen years in power is long enough for them to have implemented the alleged innovative ideas that they claim to have.
Just Me 11/25/2008 12:03:36 PM
even parents sruggle to name there kids.... This is something that stays FOREVER.... ofcourse it will be hard. Your other comment .."they are no different from any of the 148 registered political parties " perhaps they will execute what they say instead of say things and do the opposite. We dont need "different", we need proper implementation!
jackey 11/25/2008 12:06:26 PM
You sound like a typical ANCircus supporter...The only reason that you think COPE isnt COPING cause you alway disrupt their meetings and Intimidate potential new members, I dont care who SA votes for but I wont vote ANC. Zuma recently said that he (ANC) want more than 2/3 majority so he can tighten the constitution..Is this the begining of dicatorship ?? and if he wants to tighten it, than what currently wrong with our contitution ?? Too much freedom ??Rule till Jesus comes back, Thats his aim. !
T. Amathole region 11/25/2008 12:06:47 PM
Bongani tell us your true identity and leave Cope alone.If u r not afraid of Cope as the ANC y mourn of Cope all the time.Premature statement and a stupid article that u've posted.Wake up boy Cope is here to stay and u will c us make a mark comes 2009 elections.Zuma is a rapist & what kind of leadership is there in ANC all criminals.Viva Cope Viva.Go and vote Cope Bongani(Nkwenkwe ndini)
MORNE 11/25/2008 12:07:42 PM
Still 100 times better ideology than the damn ANC. Hope the corrupt ANC government dies an agonising death . Go COPE.
wb 11/25/2008 12:07:49 PM
I hear nothing good about any party except the DA, whay not just vote them and stop bitching and moaning about the the likes of COPE & ANC. VOTE DA, they rock!
Hero 11/25/2008 12:08:00 PM
The "rapist" comment was hearsay and has not been proven..this calim was denied..innocent until proven guilty remember..its called the Law of the Land ! You obviously an ANC supporter so I say to you how dare you vote Zuma into the presidency when he clearly stated on a few occasions that he would "TAKE MANY OTHERS DOWN WITH HIM" if prosecuted for the Arms Deal Saga. Shame on you ANC ! This FACT alone is enough to sway my vote,besides all the other issues,lack of service delivery,corruption,etc !
Kitty 11/25/2008 12:11:11 PM
I feel you my brother / sister - ANYTHING is better than the anc.I'm voting COPE, I'm however concerned that they cant seem to hold their own.It's either I COPE or I DA.
jabu m 11/25/2008 12:12:20 PM
yet a very poor argument against the COPE.. you, like your ANC comrades are blind to the error of your ways, but never miss an opportunity to vilify anyone who oppose you.. sounds like the NP to me.
Bethuel 11/25/2008 12:14:53 PM
I always hear that our democracy is still very young but today COPE had only less than two months and already classify under failure or loosers.Let we wait untill the 16/12/08 for launching of the party there after lets they campaign and contest election,After the result let we compare COPE to all parties and start our critism.
Humbulani 11/25/2008 12:15:50 PM
It does not matter about what COPE can offer; as long as we have an opposition party/s who can save this country from the future ZANU in South Africa.
Acid0 11/25/2008 12:15:52 PM
But what is different from the ANC? They have no idea what the law is Zuma wants to prolong the court date so that he can be elected before the ruling comes? The Anc refers to the party as snakes and dogs. Malema wants violence if he cant get his way and the ANC lets him. I want to see for the youth today that there is a party that does not come from the Da or the ANC and that want s the best for the country not for their pocket.
Love africa 11/25/2008 12:15:55 PM
I must agree but never thought that they would offer much different to the ANC but what it will do is to water down the ANC's overall power which been 2/3 rd's shows they don't need to deliver to stay in power. Hatred for Zuma might be just be enough to give Cope the support they need to make a dent in the ANC's power. I don't understand how Zuma still has a political career but then again African politics has never been about the people.
MaLeFaCtOr 11/25/2008 12:16:03 PM
"So when all is said and done this COPE thing is about prolonging of political careers of leaders who by most standards are still young. Because of their youth they cannot contemplate a situation where they have no access to power and allocation of resources!"
ttt 11/25/2008 12:19:12 PM
Non of COPE leaders is there to protect the constitution and the rule of law as they claim. They have just set themselves a stage where they will cry political conspiracy like Zuma when being prosecuted.In COPE and ANC we have no leaders but crooks who depend on politics for their well being.Zuma ( i will take everyone down with me should i be prosecuted)read Mbeki and his gang -we all know the arms deal.Mbeki ( the reason given for the formation of COPE)-received shoes from Aglioti.
spiel 11/25/2008 12:21:34 PM
"The main reason being that there is no compelling reason for COPE to exist" It exists to remove that 2/3rds majority from those idiots that pretend to know what they are doing, yet at every turn prove they dont having a clue. No guess who you vote for. Obviously those same idiots that i referred to above. I guess its true, birds of a feather.
ANTI-ANC (and not racist) 11/25/2008 12:22:09 PM
I share your sentiments Bongani, but a lot of what COPE have said breaks the rhetorical communist ideals of what the ANC stands for and COPE's mere suggestion of an equal South Africa rings out to so may whites, coloureds and indians that are been marginalised by not feeling part of SA because all you hear and see from the ANC is black, black and more black. Eg...Zuma commenting on why Zille was invited to the COPE gathering...The ANC is breaking the spirits of non-black or non-ANC South Africans
Kaas 11/25/2008 12:22:10 PM
Another "opinion" letter from our news24 site. What a waste of our time.
sypho 11/25/2008 12:22:40 PM
Lets wait and see. You'll be suprized how much support COPE has in the townships.COPE , among other things, will offer South Africans a chance to vote for their President.
Fred 11/25/2008 12:25:31 PM
When are you diehard ANC supporters going to come up with something new. We are tired of you repeating the same story time after time, oops forgot you can't think for yourselves, but just repeat the propaganda coming from the ANC Nec. So i guess we will have to put up with this until they can find more propaganda to spread and brainwash you idiots with.
The_Assimilator 11/25/2008 12:25:50 PM
Couldn't News24's editors publish a letter that's actually worth reading, as opposed to blatant ANC propaganda? The fact of the matter is than ANY competition, no matter how bad, is good for everyone.
Sam 11/25/2008 12:26:28 PM
If all the opposition parties had the best interests of SA at heart they would Unite to form a credible opposition but I think most of them are power hungry opportunistic weaklings.
Harrison Magalefa 11/25/2008 12:27:33 PM
Bongani your offering lacks substance or facts my brother. History will show that new political movements in Africa have been born out of fundimentalist principles - in most part it took them years to get going. Accusing them of namecalling is a bit like throwing bricks in glass houses. I think that a strong COPE will be outstanding for our democracy and give the REAL ANC a wakeup call - and I'm not referring to the children, thieves and morally bancrupt bunch in the NEC and COSATU!
SimonP 11/25/2008 12:27:44 PM
If, as the author and the ANC state, COPE does not pose a threat to the ANC why is so much time being spent by the ANC and their supporters on rubbishing them? In my view the ANC are terrified of this new opposition. Lets hear some more ANC propaganga!!!
Purviss 11/25/2008 12:28:05 PM
COPE is not the answer and the ANC's record speaks for itself. Will our real leaders please stand up? We are getting tired of this ANC rubbish in these pages. You must be blind not to see that this country is going to the dogs under this ANC government. COPE is probably just more of the same.
EngineersMind 11/25/2008 12:28:06 PM
"...For example calling Jacob Zuma a rapist. There is no evidence of such..." On the contrary, there is plenty of evidence, just no proof. Just as there is loads of evidence that JZ is a fraudulent egotist who happily accepts bribes. But alas, when a person is considered beyond the reach of the courts, proof will never come to light. Just as Mugabe will never be proven guilty in a Zim court. As Zapiro pointed out, JZ has blatantly raped the justice system in full public view.
Jo 11/25/2008 12:28:15 PM
The anc is the same as the old np goverment,just another suit on.You and youre anc gangs arrogance will cost you!ALL people in sa is sick of this.A new era has started!!
ted 11/25/2008 12:29:03 PM
There is more than enough reason for COPE to become strong and take over the ANC. How much longer can a country last with CRIME, BLUE LIGHT bullie's, poor health, education,etc.
Nosipho 11/25/2008 12:32:13 PM
I like all insulting names given to COPE it is really survuving and COPE(ing) and young as it is Bongani feels its footsteps. ANC where r the your leaders? Infact ANC has already allocated itself the OPPOSITION status as it is indeed going to be the official OPPOSITION come elections. We r voting COPE like it or not.
Purviss 11/25/2008 12:32:47 PM
COPE is not the answer and the ANC's record speaks for itself. Will our real leaders please stand up? We are getting tired of this ANC rubbish in these pages. You must be blind not to see that this country is going to the dogs under this ANC government. COPE is probably just more of the same.
Vusi 11/25/2008 12:37:29 PM
Also Check Phathekile Holomisa's article on Business Day online titled, "SA?s poor will pay for folly of Polokwane?s bad losers"
Joe Soap 11/25/2008 12:40:44 PM
The key strength of their existence is as an alternative vote to prevent the ANC from getting 2/3 majority. That's good enough for me! I couldn't care whether they're useless. The bottom line is that any useless party (ANC included!) should not be able to unilaterally run the country. That wouldn't be democracy.
Freddy van der Merwe 11/25/2008 12:48:19 PM
No man there are way to many parties in this country ,and only 4 of them realy have some strenth ,what the hell ,hey i am happy that the cope was formed but these other small parties should be discontiniued or something ,VIVA COPE
pj 11/25/2008 12:48:24 PM
i cant wait for the elections,where it will be proven that the ANC has lost a huge percentage of their support!,South African's, even the lower class(masses)have woken up and seen that the ANC has let them down dismally.Who wants to vote for Zuma,or Malhema with all the controversy surrounding them.The lower class(masses) are not that stupid and this time they will make their vote count.
Moeketsi 11/25/2008 12:50:08 PM
When Cyril Ramaphosa, Tokyo Sexwale, Matthews Phosa and Ngoako Ramatlhodi, etc, were not elected in ANC top leadership position they did not run and open their new party. They stayed within the party. Now others are being voted out they start to run like headless chickens cause they want to cling to power. You wil be voted by weak-minded people lik Barney Pityana.
tshepo 11/25/2008 12:50:19 PM
Let them make noise but they wont destruct and destroy the ANC. Let them give reasons why they left ANC. In those reasons one should be "WE LEFT THE ANC BECAUSE WE ARE THE CRIDDY SELFISH INDIVIDUALS AND WE HATE ZUMA" if that isnt the part of reason you must know they are lying!!! Dont be misled comrades. Let us unite and give the best in protection our current leadership and if there is a need to KILL LET IT BE. AMANDLA.
Keifie 11/25/2008 12:50:36 PM
Biased aren't we. "no compelling reason for COPE to exist", well other than challenging the ANC so that they don't have a majority in parliament and therefore destroy the country on a whim.
Cope 4ever 11/25/2008 12:52:43 PM
Its shows how CPE is coping my boy bonga, You are competing with a party not yet launched, did u realise this or I opened your eyes?
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 11/25/2008 12:54:40 PM
So much for being anti-biast, or expecting a neutral perspective.
Point Blank 11/25/2008 12:57:08 PM
However I strongly disagree, there is every reason for COPE's existence as this country is crying for change, can you feel it? Its everywhere and if SA is the democracy is claims to be then we are living it. However, I have seen a climate of intolerance and inimidation by the ANC that threatens our democracy and that my friend is all the reason in the world for a new dawn. If you do not believe me read the ANC supporters comments. Insulting, intolerant and antidemocracy.
Ntsako Baloyi 11/25/2008 1:00:02 PM
Bongani - you could have written about the IFP, Nadeco or the new faction of the PAC. In fact, no one is saying anything about these evidently struggling parties. Everyone seems to be writing about Cope. I put it to you that it is because they present a threat to the ANC and the ANC cannot handle it. If Cope was not coping, they would be on every news website like Nadeco especially because they have not even launched officially. It seems like the ANC is actually not coping.
Thabo 11/25/2008 1:03:39 PM
To avoid political suicide we must have Cope taking significant numbers of votes from the ANC. I do not necessarily believe they have a lot to offer, but at least we can have a more balanced political landscape. The proof of their worth will be in how they can hold the ANC to task for almost insurmountable failures and come up with better options. I do believe the DA is the most balanced party with the clearest principles and goals. Pity they can't muster the numbers.
Thabo 11/25/2008 1:04:28 PM
To avoid political suicide we must have Cope taking significant numbers of votes from the ANC. I do not necessarily believe they have a lot to offer, but at least we can have a more balanced political landscape. The proof of their worth will be in how they can hold the ANC to task for almost insurmountable failures and come up with better options. I do believe the DA is the most balanced party with the clearest principles and goals. Pity they can't muster the numbers.
BM Mbuthu 11/25/2008 1:07:57 PM
These people are nothing but power seeking individuals, i bet with a black chip they will never rule this country. They may rule 6000 people who attended the convention in Sandton,but they absolutely don't have what it takes to rule the country. They will have to go down will their knees and thank God should they be able to get more that 10 seats at the Parlament.
BM Mbuthu 11/25/2008 1:08:41 PM
These people are nothing but power seeking individuals, i bet with a black chip they will never rule this country. They may rule 6000 people who attended the convention in Sandton,but they absolutely don't have what it takes to rule the country. They will have to go down will their knees and thank God should they be able to get more that 10 seats at the Parlament.
CTheB 11/25/2008 1:09:56 PM
There is a reason for COPE to exist - accountability. Without credible opposition (the DA is credible except insofar as they struggle to get votes because they don't toe the PC line) the ANC has not needed to be accountable. With credible opposition they'll have to follow through rather than spend what seems to be a lot of time making noise - doing lots for the people won't only happen just before an election.
Louis 11/25/2008 1:10:30 PM
You might as well argue that Zuma and Co were just disgruntled ANC members who exploited ANC branch structures to get into (& hold on to) power. It is no secret that the Polokwane delegates were hand-picked and massive behind the scenes exploitation was used to close pro-Mbeki branches and prevent pro-Mbeki members from getting to Polokwane. The ANC is disrupting COPE's constitional right for free electioneering. Sounds like Apartheid NP to me and I am not going back to that. No more ANC for me.
KittiKatt 11/25/2008 1:11:31 PM
You make compelling arguments, but even though you seem to think that Cope is not (and will not Cope) one thing for sure their arrival on the scene could not have come at a better time. We cannot embrace a Pseudo-One Party State as we have had since 1994. We now have a chance to ensure that the government we elect next year will be a goverment that is not arrogant to the needs (and wants) of the People, the electorate; We will not be lead by the new Leadership of the ANC.
CTheB 11/25/2008 1:12:01 PM
There is a reason for COPE to exist - accountability. Without credible opposition (the DA is credible except insofar as they struggle to get votes because they don't toe the PC line) the ANC has not needed to be accountable. With credible opposition they'll have to follow through rather than spend what seems to be a lot of time making noise - doing lots for the people won't only happen just before an election.
Johnny Cash 11/25/2008 1:19:34 PM
Have not been coping for 14 years! Interesting that the ANC supporters are so worried about COPE...
Mphula KP Napo 11/25/2008 1:21:50 PM
I like to concur with on this one Mr Bongani Mageba,but I just to correct the name of the judge who prside on Zuma rape trial was Judge Willem van der Merwe not Pretorius J, but I think what is happening at lekota and shilowa`s party is not suprising taking into account those two they only agree on two things their hatred toward Zuma and their loyality to Mbeki. those hand picked leaders will only give their supporters more headache done joy
Daneil 11/25/2008 1:24:54 PM
The whole point behind politics is to be and to remain in power. Therefore, the political reasons for creating a new party, is sound. The members of COPE faught just as hard for freedom as the rest of the ANC, since they were part of the ANC. I believe they have just as much right to the name congress of the people. COPE is the end result of faction politics in the ANC, which shows that the ANC are also just a bunch of politicians with their own personal agendas.
Tienie.b 11/25/2008 1:32:53 PM
Your letter has seriously made absolutely no impact as well as no concrete argument towards your issue. At least this new party allows for discussion with all other parties and do not take their own wishes as law. My man, i think you need to ask the ANC for your money back.
Mphathie Monareng 11/25/2008 1:34:28 PM
The Congress of the People (COPE) is being formed primarily to defend the constitution and halt further diversion from the rule of law. Currently, the ANC is a law unto itself -- and here is proof: party leaders label judges counter-revolutionaries, Jacob Zuma says ANC will rule until Jesus Christ comes back (and no one in the ANC challenges him), the party wants to determine election dates in contravention of the IEC Act, leaders promote political intolerance.
yesnno 11/25/2008 1:35:11 PM
No matter if cope is coping or not - as long as it will be able to reduce the ANC's unhealthy majority which has all the trimmings and classic symptoms of totalitarism. It is said " Power corrupts - absolute power currupts absolutely". I think that people with insight would have learned enough from the Mugabe "democracy" in action that they would want a repeat of that in SA. It is my opinion that If the ANC never had an absolute majority we would'nt have experienced the incompetence & corruption.
Chris-T 11/25/2008 1:37:32 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Careerism has long been suspected in the movement - and now there's no guessing who the culprits are.
Azania 11/25/2008 1:39:13 PM
Cope or no Cope, Jacob "Mshini wami" Zuma will be the president of RSA come 2009 national elections
Jumbo 11/25/2008 1:39:43 PM
Bongani, I think you are just writing for the sake of writing but dont really think about the bigger picture. I'm not particularly a Cope supporter but look at how they cannot even organise a simple meeting without A.N.C members disrupting things. Just SICK !!!!
Uncle UBA 11/25/2008 1:42:35 PM
The ANC has been seen as a ''cash cow'' by some SA people and thus many people are fighting to be in it and about it.What i see working is having a new, polished,mature, well branded party, different from the ANC and able to read the politics of the 21st Century.The ANC has liberated SA from the Apartheid and that was enough!.Now, SA should move away from a potentially ZANU PF character party, ie the current ANC.The COPE should shape up,consult to grassroots
Greg 11/25/2008 1:42:35 PM
Propaganda propaganda propaganda! the writing is as clear as mud (huts). These poor letters from ANC propagandists are pathetic and even more reason i cannot stand that stupid party and there incompetent leaders. I just read Malema apologized! What i load of crap, incite violence, get away with it, embarrass our country and receive a pat on the back for a 'manly' apology. That man must be beaten with a stick on his backside, cos that's what i would do to a little boy like him! VIVA COPE! VIVA!!!
yesnno 11/25/2008 1:43:30 PM
No matter if cope is coping or not - as long as it will be able to reduce the ANC's unhealthy majority which has all the trimmings and classic symptoms of totalitarism. It is said " Power corrupts - absolute power currupts absolutely". I think that people with insight would have learned enough from the Mugabe "democracy" in action that they would NOT want a repeat of that in SA. Without the ANC's absolute majority we would'nt have seen the mess-up at local & national level.
Pasta 11/25/2008 1:45:33 PM
I have heard the split story that was denied by COPE. You say "It is reported that Shilowa and Lekota do not see eye to eye on the leadership issue" when this is said of the ANC its democracy and when its other parties its a split?. Give COPE a chance to present what/who they are. The party is not launched yet and you are predicting same policies as ANC and their doom. What about direct election of president and premiers so that they are accountable to electorate? Is this also ANC policy?
Glock 22c 11/25/2008 1:46:22 PM
Is Overrated , Over debated and and just plane boring after the 50th Artcile , !!!
Timeshare 11/25/2008 1:47:22 PM
In retrospect, COPE was born from the pangs of the Mbeki's exit because, the ANC figured, party politics is more important than the country's wellbeing and stability. Tsk Tsk, if you are going to sling mud do so standing in front of the mirror, because the ANC is the only one to blame for the existence of COPE. Alas, COPE has being a real disappointment thus far, since instead of cleaning up the town ? it is reverting to a being a mudslinger instead of a gunslinger.
TOSH 11/25/2008 1:48:33 PM
This party will not last a day after next year elections:Its a party formed of dead woods.The likes of Shilowa asnd The Lekotas of this worlds are failures in their own right.They have been with the ANC for more than 30 years,what were their contributions and why are they running mad now?WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF?ARE THEY SCARED OF LOOSING PAOWER THAT THEY TRY AND CLING TO POWER FORCEFULLY.
stc 11/25/2008 1:50:45 PM
I think the biggest reason you will hear wb is that the DA have a snowballs chance in hell of putting a dent in the ANC 2/3 majority as not many black people will vote for them whereas many seem to be ready to vote for COPE so what woudl the point be of voting DA? you would basically be handing th ANC their 2/3 majority back!
Raps Rustenburg 11/25/2008 1:51:22 PM
I have went throuhg all this comments. Everytime COPE people say "we South Africans", please dont speak on my behalf guys. Your leaders have failled us including all those who are still governing. So far there are only two political parties who have said a mouthful of why they think we must vote them (ANC an DA).COPE only said we must not vote for the RAPIST and we must defend democracy.Why is Shilowa and Lekota fihgting? Position.
Mike 11/25/2008 1:52:20 PM
I attended the Cope youth meeting in PE last week. This was addressed by Smuts Ngonyama and rather delightfully Hlomla Dandala.I wanted to hear what they were standing for, a bit of principle if you like that would indicate a difference between them and the ANC. And yes, whilst they may have been a little thin on specifics,I was very impressed with the absolute commitment to upholding the constitution as it was created. Will I vote for them? No,for now I'll stick with the DA, but tell us more.
MasterMind 11/25/2008 1:55:17 PM
Would the ANC just love COPE to fail... not going to happen, some serious brains trust behind this movement - amd no I am not a supporter, just love their ideology and of course, the ANC need a fat wake up call - militancy & factionalism breeds contempt - hence the split. GO COPE - you guys ROCK !!!
Karen 11/25/2008 1:56:02 PM
Reason 1: Policies are the same, but implementation will be different (actually done in other words). Reason 2: Angry with the ANC for not doing anything and so am I. And last but not least Reason 3: Hate Zuma and Malema - ME TOO!!!
Tracer 11/25/2008 1:56:39 PM
its idiots like you that keep the ANC in power. Are you so blind that you can't see ZA needs change? We have billions to change the names of places that didn't exist before Europeans arrived, and yet people are starving to death in this country. Great governance. Natural born leaders. Keep voting for them, my family won't starve.
RF 11/25/2008 1:59:53 PM
Can you honestly say that the ANC has done any good for it's masses in the past 14 years? When you have no more food to eat and no home to live in it will be too late to realise that we are the next Zim!
Thulane 11/25/2008 2:01:52 PM
If there are more people who want to be in power in one organisation there definately going to be camps and they are not going to see eye to eye in some issues. sooner rather than later that will show. As for you Nosipho speak for yourself because not everyone who reads News24 is a COPE supporter.
Kingzile 11/25/2008 2:04:48 PM
Look, as an electorate, I know where we come from as a country. You may call me stupid, but sorry I agree with Bongani, there is nothing new in Cope except the desire to be seen as being like the ANC. I am yet to hear anything from them except, ANC that and ANC this. Just like all other opposition parties. I and million others will vote ANC
david 11/25/2008 2:07:53 PM
They struggled to come up with a name?? Did you pass woodwork? Let me tell you anything but the ANC at this point will be a breath of fresh air. The ANC of their tails between their legs and i'm loving it.
advocate 11/25/2008 2:09:50 PM
I concur with you that cope does not have vision on which they will build toward.They forever associate themselves with whatever that anc has built,Shilowa has made outrageous public statements that people must join them but keep the anc membership and their T shirts. On the trademark issue,i would to state no one may have proprietorship of words thet are common e.g congress and people. I would also like to state that a party can acquire proprietorship of the word through use.
Thukzy 11/25/2008 2:10:00 PM
Question is , Bongani , what do you expect from COPE? It is not a governing body , you should be expecting something from the ANC. Do you want to see the face of Shilowa and Lekota everyday on TV to see that it exists. Come on now , Rome was not built in one day.What you should be complaining tabout is the absence of our caretaker president in the news, or is SABC implementing ANC's request not show him as a presidential man. Give COPE a break until the launch. COPE is HOPE.
TK 11/25/2008 2:15:00 PM
The Same ANC is embroiled in such catastrophic sign of ILL... Good thing Though is that COPE's existence is there 2 conscientise the ANC that complacency will be a thing of the past. Finally, all people are happy that an opposition that is even widely accepted by the ANC itself has emerged. Genuine threat, not you pathetic DA's, ID's to the 148th party. ANC lovers like me are happy for COPE's existence. if it weren't for JayZee and Malema, your beloved leaders, U wudn't be writing articles 2day
fishy9 11/25/2008 2:26:43 PM
Whilst all eyes are on COPE and ANC I wouldnt be to surprised to see the other parties to sneek in and steal the limelight. The rift between ANC and COPE will actually benefit the country if the ANC's majority is reduced to just under 50% which will prevent a scenario like the Scorpions demise. Then we will have true democracy and politicians will have to take heed that they need to perform in their jobs personally rather than hide behind the party they represent.
Al 11/25/2008 2:26:53 PM
COPE cannot expect to do well is the 2009 election for the simple reason that it takes YEARS to establish a political party, its structures and organisation. COPE will most probably look very bad and disorganised this time round.
Tumza 11/25/2008 2:29:20 PM
This is the best article i have read so far in this website. But i know that all the racist remarks will come soon about what u have written Bongani. BIGUP
Keto 11/25/2008 2:30:29 PM
Bongani, thank you my brother for a good article. I agree with you 100%. They have not even launched their Shikota nonsense, and already they are fighting for positions. Those idiots who left the ANC and their well paying jobs, will discover that they made a big mistake.
PAL 11/25/2008 2:31:47 PM
I agree on one point with you, the sooner Cope and all opposition parties, take the word ANC of the vocab, the better. We want to hear about what they can do for us not what the ANC has not done or will not do.But the need for Cope is indeed there.We dont have a stong black opposition political party that, can hold the ruling party into accountability.Who wants to vote pac,acdpudm, they are small fish that have not made an impact in the political arena, so there is a need for Cope.
MZK 11/25/2008 2:36:08 PM
Fact! I you are black and vote for the DA you are a sellout to your people, country and culture! You would be spitting on the graves of Chris Hani, Sisulu and Luthuli! the DA will never do anything for the poor! As for COPE ''Cowards Of PolokwanE'' they will be very embarrased come the elections in 09!
Voter 11/25/2008 2:36:44 PM
Vote DA, it's the only real choice! Zille for president.
Nnalewena 11/25/2008 2:40:37 PM
What is the difference between all these so-called ANC/COPE leaders. COPE emergence is a good idea from a wrong bunch of hypocrites. I will not vote for COPE up untill they probably look at Hellen the complainer as their leader.AMEN.
Humbulani 11/25/2008 2:46:37 PM
This remind me of the Herode era, when he was fighting a two day born child. Bongani, why ANC is worrying on something without name, policy or fighting for leadership? South Africans; be prepared for our children to be killed if the boss lose in next year election. You know what happened when Herode couldn't find his opposition 'Jesus' and what Mugabe is doing to his people in Zim.
Ndhuma 11/25/2008 2:48:24 PM
Bongani you I agree with you the name calling is not helping. however like it or not, the ANC will kiss 2/3 majority goodbye. the disbanding of the scorpions by the ANC begs of a lot of questions. Remember how your leaders battled to explain why they recalled President Mbeki, they couldn't give a clear reason because there's none other than vengeance.why what are the reasns for dismissing the premiers of w/cape and E/cape? I guess just to show South Africa Who is in charge now.
Lucky Ralawe 11/25/2008 2:50:55 PM
If you could just use your brain for once, you will discover that the current ANC is made up of a bunch of immoral people, would be criminals and criminals who have shown no respect for the rule of law and complete disdain for the will of the people, as in killing the scorpions against a wave of indignation by the public. So regurgiting your propaganda is not going to help change the minds of those who can think for themselves. VIVA COPE!
Pete 11/25/2008 2:53:10 PM
In any healthy well balanced democracy, the party in power at the moment needs to know that unless they deliver on their promises they will be voted out in the next round of elections. So whether COPE gains control or gnaws away at the ANC's powerbase, their existence is good for the country ... they and the other oppositions parties can always govern together! And yes these letters are getting a bit tiresome! The more protests I hear the more fear I see in the eyes of the protester ...
Thandi 11/25/2008 2:59:05 PM
Tired of empty promises. Do you actually think we believe anything you promise. At last another party to offer resistence to the ANC who can't deliver anything. The lack of control and discipline will be your final downfall. People are tired of empty promises and will now start voting with our hearts not our heads. I for one would rather vote DA or Cope than the ANC. A very disgruntled ex ANC member
Karen 11/25/2008 3:12:52 PM
I love the fact that they are angry with the ANC, because so am I. I love the fact that they hate Zuma and Malema, because so do I. I love the fact that their policies are very similar because I like the policies, just a pity they are not implemented. I love the fact that they say they are non-racial and inclusive - the ANC doesn't even bother because they are trying to appeal to people who are racists and exclusive anyway. I love any party that opposes ANC and if they hate them - all the better.
Duzi 11/25/2008 3:14:45 PM
Your propoganda is very reflective of a famous tyrant called Adolf Hitler. You go an kill buddy as you threaten you will... fortunately we have other intelligent people in this coutry who don't have to resort to violence like common criminals. I am ashamed to call you a fellow South African and ANC supporter.
Thembisile 11/25/2008 3:15:00 PM
Why is anc disrupting COPE meetings, for a party that was started by disgruntled members it is doing well indeed, even if they dont win i hope that they will break the two thirds majority of the anc.Cope seems to be inclusive of all races and we need everyone in this country to build it. Come 2009 and will see whether anc is going to rule until Jesus comes. They had their chance and they blew it, anc is not going govern forever only the people shall govern. VIVA COPE VIVA.
Van 11/25/2008 3:17:06 PM
I disagree with all your statements. Hierdie boer stem COPE!!
I'll push U off the edge! 11/25/2008 3:22:34 PM
Well even in these "late" stages I would like to argue that we will see or experience none of that change....that ANC has spoken about for the last 14years! I welcome anything that is opposing the current system because it is for the benefit of our future!ANC is and will not benefit the future except bring hatred, division and a total break down of all that was constructed to make the country u know now! It wasn't ANC who built this nation....remember that before u go spitting venom!
I'll push U off the edge! 11/25/2008 3:24:57 PM
Well even in these "late" stages I would like to argue that we will see or experience none of that change....that ANC has spoken about for the last 14years! I welcome anything that is opposing the current system because it is for the benefit of our future!ANC is and will not benefit the future except bring hatred, division and a total break down of all that was constructed to make the country u know now! It wasn't ANC who built this nation....remember that before u go spitting venom!
Ntokozo 11/25/2008 3:29:40 PM
Have you had sight of COPE's policy document? As far as I know, they have not released or pronounced on their policy position. I am interested to know how than you pronounce there is nothing separating them and the ANC policy wise. Be careful not to elevate what you wish for, which is clearly for COPE to fail, and what is reality. If you have started a business in your life, you will understand the hick ups involved. We will be living in a perfect world if COPE didn't experience problems.
Jabu Pule 11/25/2008 4:02:01 PM
Good article bro........ No other comments about the idiots of COPE.
TC 11/25/2008 4:07:31 PM
Well said... Could not agree with you more!!!
Daffy 11/25/2008 4:23:29 PM
People seem to forget that COPE is run by the same people that were in parliament for the past 8 years and did nothing. Whats so different about them now? They are just bitter and are now holding the country for ransom...how selfish
sthuli 11/25/2008 4:32:45 PM
When you look up the word "cope" in the thesaurus you come across varied synonyms including "muddle through","get by" etc.Methinks Bongani's comments confirm Cope is basically getting by and it seeks to muddle through key issues in its bid to win votes.Lately their flaws are beginning to show and only time will tell.With fighting for leadership positions already under way, one can clearly see their departure from the corrupt ANC was driven by the desire for power and not to serve.
Rainbow Nation 11/25/2008 4:48:53 PM
God must be crying when looking down at us. We as humans are His greatest creation, yet we behave the worst. We are at war with each other 24/7. We live in fear, for lack of enough love. (1 Johannes 4:7-21). Controversial, filled-with-hate Zuma and all his religious mis-quotes is not what this country needs - Not even to mention his racist henchman Malema. Be very careful Bongani - you will be smart not to stand to close to your JZ as the lightning might hit you too! God save South Africa!

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