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Signs of desperation

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2008-12-02 10:13

Thilaiwi Nethengwe, News24 User

I'm astonished by the draft manifesto of the ruling party. If what I read in the newspaper concerning ANC manifesto is anything to go by then I'm really disappointed.

The ANC is reducing itself to the standard of small parties who are desperate to obtain votes. They are clearly panicking about the looming elections and as a result they are resorting to desperate measures to win the next year elections. It's clear that those promises in their manifesto are clearly unattainable. The governing party has yet to deliver some of their promises made in their previous manifestos.

If the ANC failed on promises which where seen as feasible promises then how on earth will ANC achieve its current promises to the electorates? Jacob Zuma as the party president should know better as he's a former Deputy President of South Africa - I expect him to know how and where the government gets money.

After next year's elections our country's economy is likely to go down considering that the ruling party's president doesn't have a clear understanding on issues of the economy. Our current government economic policies appeals to prospective investors and if we change and implement those of the ANC alliance it could scare away prospective investors which would be a blow to the growth of our economy.

Without a stable economy, the ANC won't be able to create five million jobs as promised. The ANC also promised to pay child support grants to children under the age of 18 and income for 25 to 59 years who are unemployed.

The problem with manifestos is they don't elucidate how a particular goal will be obtained. It would be proper to consider first how to arrive at a particular objective before promising something to ensure the feasibility of the objective.

The ANC is starting to display signs of desperation which explains why Cope is attractive in the current political landscape. Instead of fighting corruption and self enrichment to speed up service delivery and to ensure attainment of previous promises, the ANC opted to empty promises.

It's a pity the ANC feels the need to take advantage of the poor for their political expediency. This is a vicious strategy by the ruling to obtain votes. The unfortunate thing about the poor is they believe anything because of their desperate situations. It's time for electorates to demand respect by voting for Cope the party of hope.

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Juan 12/2/2008 10:24:43 AM
We could do with more people like you.. people that THINK!! Unfortunately there are massive troups of people that STILL believe the anc's promises, and they don't for a second consider if it is even POSSIBLE to implement them! - 14 years ago 'a better life for all' was promised, but ONLY ministers and anc top buddies have benefitted while most people still living in squatter camps! Never mind the 300 000 UNNECESSARY deaths caused by the anc aids blunder! - These are all FACTS
Spongebob 12/2/2008 10:28:13 AM
1 million houses in five years,please ANC! We heard that one before,i'm still waiting for that free education you promised me 14 years ago.
Bambingwe 12/2/2008 10:32:45 AM
What u saying is obviuos 4 all to see except the Zumarites who are suffering of Personality Cult disorder or just pure self interest via Tenders to be rich and dumb as Malema is.
Thami 12/2/2008 10:32:48 AM
go ahead and join COPE. Good riddance with such a piece of useless, directionless and all over the place article, I am sure ANC would not miss you. Hamba kahle Nethengwe, see you after elections! What your COPE is offering us? Come out and say it
Johan 12/2/2008 10:35:39 AM
You criticize the anc, you must be a racist. Oops no, you are black!
Aujos 12/2/2008 10:35:59 AM
I think COPE leaders have to explain to poor that ANC is not telling the truth until they demonstrate to us how that is feasible. We do not want a so called ready made solution but how do they will get. ANC has to explain. We already know the actual ANC is not capable of achieving those promises. - Aujos
ML 12/2/2008 10:36:05 AM
About ANC policies?Don't criticise for the sake of scoring useless points,what are COPE's policies?Rather tell us about those rather than wasting your breath.Viva ANC...
Takalani 12/2/2008 10:36:59 AM
I cann't agree with you more "Mutavhatsindi".When ZANUPF decided to follow populists ideas the country went into shumbles. I tis one thing to please everyone and is one thing to do things logical, and trying to be practical. I am so dissappointed wi the the ANC leadership, they desperation has led them to commit so many mistakes that would destroy our grwing economy. We should stanD up against this,South Africa does not deserve this. Viva COPE.
Aujos 12/2/2008 10:38:18 AM
I think COPE leaders have to explain to poor that ANC is not telling the truth until they demonstrate to us how that is feasible. We do not want a so called ready made solution but how do they will get. ANC has to explain. We already know the actual ANC is not capable of achieving those promises. - Aujos
Jay D 12/2/2008 10:38:44 AM
"I will stop, I will stop at nothing. Say the right things when electioneering I trust I can rely on your vote."
proud to be white 12/2/2008 10:40:07 AM
Agree with you 100% unfortunately you will be lable a counter revolutionary,coconut,or a racist by the normal people who cant take any critizism put against there beloved ANC
Robert Ndungane 12/2/2008 10:42:38 AM
The mannifesto does concern me, as it is clearly unnatainable. South Africa simply does not have the resources (yet) to achieve the promises. Promises should not be made that cannot be achieved. Seen that Mr. Zuma likes comparing himself to Jesus, did Jesus not say "let your yes be yes and your no no. Anything more than this is from the devil." Where is accountability for prmises not achieved?
Anon 12/2/2008 10:42:42 AM
at all surprised at this? We all knew that the ANC had hollow promises, however, we still voted! Very good article, wish more people would argue like you. My eyes have been rudely opened for the propaganda machine that calls itself the ANC, I'm over to COPE!
xhosaboy 12/2/2008 10:43:06 AM
How can they elect Zuma and Malema to lead the country? This is going to be a complete disaster. Watch the foreign investors flee in droves. This means far fewer jobs but I do not think Zuma and Malema understand this or worse are even concerned about it. They have to be stopped from continuing the Mbeki disaster government.
Freedom 12/2/2008 10:45:20 AM
Some people just don?t understand the basic principles about change. Why should ANC continue to use the same methods which did not produce the last time? The new leadership is bringing something different to the people, with more accountability and you call that desperation. It?s a disgrace to even compare ANC with COP(Y). The ANC is ready today to implement the Freedom Charter more its ever been before. The people shall govern? People will never be fooled by the copy masters. After our hard fought freedom you tell me that Helen Zille will change over night. Shilowa is here to protect the interest of their masters nothing else. That is why when Lekota is addressed by a white man he calls him Sir Sir Sir Sir
calvin 12/2/2008 10:45:39 AM
Well put brother, without stable economy how are they(ANC) going to sustain and create more jobs. I think poor communities they are awares of these ANC empty promises - especially towards election time.
fuzzy 12/2/2008 10:47:01 AM
Good article until you start spouting of about Cope. Are they any different? Were many of the Cope seniors not part of the ANC Gravy Train? The underprivilidged are once again been lied to by power hungry politico's and the sad thing is that they fall for it. AGAIN!
Francois Roux 12/2/2008 10:49:18 AM
...and people have been saying this for how long? But they were made out as, what was it? Popo's for the blacks and racist for the whites. I hate saying them, but my toes curl as I think of the words, "I told you so"...
IandI 12/2/2008 10:49:22 AM
While at it, can the ANC also promise safety and security by posting a policeman in every street, health by installing a free shower in every shack, and food by putting a chicken in every pot. Clearly they are desperate and rattled by the formation of COPE.
tshepo 12/2/2008 10:49:31 AM
like the previous letter you fail to substantiate your points. Which economic policies do the ANC want to change that will scare potential investors? i need clarity to understand better.
Lehlohonolo 12/2/2008 10:50:00 AM
You are clearly not objective brother, how do you dare compare ANC's policies, manifesto and promises with COPE, because COPE doesn't have any manifesto at this present moment and is disengineous of you. I saw this article somewhere in some other newspapers, this is called "plagiarism". Please write something original next time and stop this misleading acts. This article lacks credibility.
Lehlohonolo 12/2/2008 10:50:14 AM
You are clearly not objective brother, how do you dare compare ANC's policies, manifesto and promises with COPE, because COPE doesn't have any manifesto at this present moment and is disengineous of you. I saw this article somewhere in some other newspapers, this is called "plagiarism". Please write something original next time and stop this misleading acts. This article lacks credibility.
Big Bad Bob 12/2/2008 10:51:45 AM
We've seen this repeatedly over the last few years. Some draft document or other gets leaked to the media. We all panic. Look the ANC are going to do (whatever the draft says). But the draft is a just a starting point. The policy gets debated and refined and the final document is different from the draft and usually better considered. There is nothing sinister in this. Policy making has to start from some arbitrary position. Wait for a document that doesn't have "draft" in the title.
Goodness Gracious 12/2/2008 10:52:34 AM
I totally agree with you Thilaiwi, and it is not exactly a new strategy by the ANC... they have used their empty promises before - and it worked - and I bet it will work again because, as you say, the poor will believe anything because of their desperation. I hope it backfires on them this time though.
Cooler box 12/2/2008 10:54:19 AM
The same investors you are proud of failed to create jobs and uplift the lives of the poor. Idiots like you are quick to refer to investors but fail to point out that investors are only benefiting your white fat cats who are not interested in uplifting the poor. Why think about investors if the poor remain poor and rich richer. The ANC manifesto is in its infant stage and its being discussed to make sure it is feasible. Unfortunately idiots will quickly cease the opportunity to criticise without clear understanding of the processes involved.
Goodness Gracious 12/2/2008 10:55:02 AM
I totally agree with you Thilaiwi, and it is not exactly a new strategy by the ANC... they have used their empty promises before - and it worked - and I bet it will work again because, as you say, the poor will believe anything because of their desperation. I hope it backfires on them this time though.
Glock 22c 12/2/2008 10:58:00 AM
But it comes back to a letter yestarday that said the ANC needs to keep their supporters "stupid " in order for them to be able to make promisses that they know they cant keep and supporters beleiving those promisses.
DON CORLEONE 12/2/2008 10:59:12 AM
right on brother! you called as we all see it. another thing, why would cmd. zuma want only one term in office? whereas the constitution allow one to two depending on perfomance securing the votes. here is my two cents! he wants to secure that he gets that salary that is paid to presidents for life and other pecks of cause. if JZ sees this let him respond.
Selahla 12/2/2008 11:00:30 AM
Well said my brother.
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:00:45 AM
Just means that I have to work harder to sustain the rest of South Africa.
Cynical 12/2/2008 11:01:45 AM
"The unfortunate thing about the poor is they believe anything because of their desperate situations". Wrong! They will believe anything because they are are plain stupid and cannot think for themselves. It is as simple as that and the ANC knows it. The ANC is going to offer these brainwashed zombies all sorts of election sweeteners before the election and as usual, the zombies will fall for it hook, line and sinker.
kay 12/2/2008 11:02:09 AM
Any body who would agree with you will be very miss informed. You would be voting cope for the wrong reason that fact that they are not ANC. What are Cope policies? What does it stand for because it is and extended ANC. Lekota was defense minister He messed up the SADF, he is not an option in leadership, he is empty and erratic hence he name Terror. If you don?t like the ANC that is fine, but don?t mislead people with a party worse that the PAC, DA, UDM, IFP, freedom front, and all the other parties. At least they at least have polices. Cope for me is empty.
Cooler box 12/2/2008 11:06:36 AM
The same investors you are proud of failed to created jobs and uplift the lives of the poor. Idiots like you are quick to refer to investors but fail to point out that investors are only benefiting your white fat cats who are not interested in uplifting the poor. Why think about investors if the poor remain poor and rich richer. The ANC manifesto is in its infant stage and its being discussed to make sure it is feasible. Unfortunately idiots will quickly cease the opportunity to criticise without clear understanding of the processes involved.
jackey 12/2/2008 11:06:41 AM
This ANC are a bunch of desperate clowns and now resort to promising the unemployed a grant..How stupid!!If they continue to get goverments grants them I do not think they will be intersted in finding work @ all!!And 4 them comparing JZ to Jesus..How low can u go !!!!! Mandela was never compared to anyone yet he won the hearts of billions..Christ was prepared to die for US is he prepared to face HIS charges ??
jackey 12/2/2008 11:06:49 AM
This ANC are a bunch of desperate clowns and now resort to promising the unemployed a grant..How stupid!!If they continue to get goverments grants them I do not think they will be intersted in finding work @ all!!And 4 them comparing JZ to Jesus..How low can u go !!!!! Mandela was never compared to anyone yet he won the hearts of billions..Christ was prepared to die for US is he prepared to face HIS charges ??
Kay 12/2/2008 11:08:05 AM
The people have dicided, it does not matter what strategies you put down the thing is ba a rogana banna ba. COPE will be an interesting alternative
Reason 12/2/2008 11:08:59 AM
I have never seen so much desperation to vote for ANC than now because of the political vibe and desire created by the Shikota party. The reason for people to be more eager to vote is because they want to close the Mbeki chapter which is the only reason cited by the leaders of Shikota to resign from public office. Even if Mr Mbeki does not want to associate himself with them, the fact remains, that they have resigned only to sympathise with me, and have to deal with his bad publicity he have created.
Mojojo 12/2/2008 11:09:30 AM
Yes Idiots, because that seems to be the words the ANC Followers use.Why insults and why do they have to use derogatory names.Why not Misinformed instead of idiots etc.Is it because its the language you Shepherds,I mean leaders use? Anyway,never mind COPE.The manifesto will be filled with lies and empty promises like always.
AJ 12/2/2008 11:09:35 AM
The ANC which largely failed the electorate in the past is COPE in any case, so neither are acceptable options to an educated voter. If you need a t-shirt then either will suit you fine.
Danny 12/2/2008 11:10:21 AM
As a Asian(25) that grew up in S.A and travels alot for business i am really shocked by cooler boxes comment. How can you say investors dont create jobs? They inject money into the S.A ecomomy. Not only do some of the investment empower and educate people but they also help develop S.A's workforce. Yes the investors are rich. Yes the workers are poor. How can that change?But at least if we attract investors then the poor that are working in these companies have a job and will learn something new
WM 12/2/2008 11:10:47 AM
Good article. And the usual comments to follow. Its a pity that we wont vote for a party out of savvy, but rather out of apparent loyalty. Lets vote for the party that is ruining our country!! Why? Because our parents used to vote for them. Wake up SA.. I still say we need a two party state like the US. The ANC will win, but not 2/3ds. They will keep on getting richer, while we suffer...
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:13:11 AM
The ANC promised, liberation before education. Well, the struggle is long gone, but, education is still lacking. Or, are we still trying to liberate ourselves?
suzie 12/2/2008 11:13:17 AM
The ANC was the correct party for the transition phase in South Africa. Thanks to them. But they are now outdated and not delivering. I am concerned as Cope leaders come from the non delivery background. They already had an opportunity and did not make a difference. Let's see how the DA will do it. They should be our new government. I am just concerned that old fashioned men will not vote for them as they have a strong woman as a leader!
Steph 12/2/2008 11:13:18 AM
What an absolutely refreshing and well written article.
Ginger 12/2/2008 11:13:39 AM
I don't know if COPE are any good or not - but I don't think anything could be worse for our country than Zuma. And I have to agree that the promises made are unreal and even if they never get put onto paper other than newspaper - the public will expect them because they read it in the paper. Many poor and unsuspecting people will be fooled into voting for hot air. Robert Mugabe managed many years on hot air and charming speeches Do I see a parallel here?
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:14:16 AM
The ANC promised, liberation before education. Well, the struggle is long gone, but, education is still lacking. Or, are we still trying to liberate ourselves?
Anon 12/2/2008 11:15:19 AM
I belive that all are missing the point. The fact of the matter is that the ruling government has failed to deliver on many, if not all, of their promises from many moons ago. We, as the people, need to elect a government based on valid promise to deliver and not on political bias and the colour of ones skin. For too long have we, as South Africans, continued to support a government rife with corruption, hidden agendas and more interested in individual gain. Give someone else a chance.
Cape Town Kid 12/2/2008 11:15:28 AM
I am really worrried at this new trend of opportunism that is baring its ugly teeth amongst our youth.All and sundry talks abt morality yet they very easily succumb to the same immorality & untruths to promote something.The manifesto is a draft and since wen do we take wat is in media as the holy grail?Thilaiwi wat is yr view?do not use alleys and dark corners to make a point.A lie bequeaths more lies.Dodgy beviour so early on,is bad for yr future..Be honest, its the easiest thing to do!
TB 12/2/2008 11:16:12 AM
Maybe you have not paid attention these past few months. The world economy is heading for a total recess. So whether the draft is an infant or not, does not really matter. It won't be achievable. Full stop. Already job losses and lay offs are on the cards - for black & white by the way, so I will rather ignore the snotty remark about white fat cats.
Danny lee 12/2/2008 11:17:23 AM
So cooler box tell me how are you going to bring money into S.A. S.A only has minerals, no technology. How many blacks know how to use a PC? Majority dont.. And thats a problem. The poor will always remain poor if they dont work to be rich. Do you think the rich just sat down and waited to be rich?? You can expect the poor to become rich overnight without working. Sure investors benefit the white fat cats, why? Cos whites dont go buy expensive cars as soon as can afford it and live in sunnyside.
kakabooi 12/2/2008 11:18:30 AM
The majority in RSA vote for parties/politicians for all the wrong reasons. Their voting is based on ethnicity, empty promises, hot air and not capabilities. The politicians in Cope achieved less in government than the current more capable and disciplined politicians. Why would anyone vote for Cope? Is it a Zulu+partners (ANC) vs Xhosa+partners (Cope) issue? Looks to me as if the current leaders in the ANC want to make the constitution a reality for the people Thilaiwi, unlike the Mbeki-faction.
bonjo 12/2/2008 11:19:34 AM
it is very sad that such a ludicrous article is written by an african brother. My friend we come from communities where poverty is the order of the day, we come from communities where unemployment is at a very high level, we come from communities where most of our brothers and sisters cannot afford tertiary education, we come from communities where one out of four is HIV positive, our grandmothers are raising 8 children on gevernment pension, so clearly you leave in europe or us,
AJ 12/2/2008 11:21:19 AM
It takes half a billion rand for ab overseas company to create 500 jobs, and the ANC will create 5 million! Try that maths people - the only way to create that number is to retain skills, white owned business and for private business to kick on. Firest chink in the armounr there. 5 million - ha ha
IGGY ZAR 12/2/2008 11:22:20 AM
I fail to understand why disgruntled former ANC members would say we should vote for COPE. 1stly, COPE consists of former ANC members who were in government & have failed to deliver while in office. Therefore, COPE will also fail as it consists of people who have failed us in the last 5-10yrs. For example, Ms. Balindlela publicly stated that she is retiring from politics (thats when she was axed for failing to deliver in the E Cape) but now she has joined COPE. SA wake up, COPE is fooling us
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:23:10 AM
The ANC promised, liberation before education. Well, the struggle is long gone, but, education is still lacking. Or, are we still trying to liberate ourselves?
Clinton 12/2/2008 11:24:20 AM
Good one and a valid point as well , We can clearly see this man (Jacob Zombo ) does not have any intergrity cos he is lying one way telling the people of this country we are living on God 's rules when gay marriages is legal by South African laws , promising people much when there does not seem to be any left , Aids can be solved in 10 years when he does not even condomise to a HIV Positive women , PLEASE STUPID RATHER COUNT YOUR WORDS AND START TO MAKE LESS TROUBLE IN WHAT YOU ARE ALREADY IN.
Fred 12/2/2008 11:25:53 AM
It is up to the Gov of the day to provide opportunities for investors to create jobs and uplift lives of the poor, yet all the ANC fatcats do is lie and line there own pockets (Arms deal, travelgate ect.)You say ANC manifesto in infancy then the same applies to COPE's so don't critisize that that you don't know, but as per the norm ANC Idiots only see oneside of the coin, to brainwashed to think by themselves, you poor fools need to open your eyes and minds(that is if you have one)
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:26:05 AM
The ANC promised, liberation before education. Well, the struggle is long gone, but, education is still lacking. Or, are we still trying to liberate ourselves?
Geog 12/2/2008 11:26:38 AM
Lets have a balanced judgement. Have we seen any other party coming out and presenting their manifestos. Then we can criticise the ANC but Thili, you just criticising on vacuum level. Comparing an apple to nothing is like having done nothing. really, we need to be fair to ANC but just don't have to talk. Is right to voice opinion but it must be informed and unfortunately this one is not and suspected of plagiarism
mandla 12/2/2008 11:27:32 AM
The only sign of desperation is the Coalition of Polokwane (E) Imbeciles (COPE), Mluleki ?Comical Ali? George, Terror ?Akabhadlanga? Lekota, Smuts ?I did not join the struggle to be poor? Ngonyama and Mbhazima ?Red Socks? Shilowa starting their own party just to remain in government after being voted out in Polokwane. That is the height of desperation my friend?
Fred 12/2/2008 11:27:34 AM
It is up to the Gov of the day to provide opportunities for investors to create jobs and uplift lives of the poor, yet all the ANC fatcats do is lie and line there own pockets (Arms deal, travelgate ect.)You say ANC manifesto in infancy then the same applies to COPE's so don't critisize that that you don't know, but as per the norm ANC Idiots only see oneside of the coin, to brainwashed to think by themselves, you poor fools need to open your eyes and minds(that is if you have one)
Pope 12/2/2008 11:27:35 AM
Good people I did a search there thing you are comparing the ANC to does not exist
bonjo 12/2/2008 11:27:48 AM
The ANC needs to redistribute wealth evenly amongst all South Africans instead of creating a few black elite of the Mbeki erra now calling themselves Shikota. We need to better the standard of living of all South Africans, our tax system is very effective, those that are earning a lot of billions pay more tax and we are on the verge of narrowing the tax gap. The ANC cares about citizens especially the disadvantage communities, so please spare us the western propaganda you coconut.
Unathi 12/2/2008 11:28:13 AM
Well my brother, I am not sure how well do you know ANC. Let me rather remind you that you wouldn't be where you are if it was not these ANC policies, white people hate AA. Devide and conquer its always been a whiteman's strategy. If you are trully South Africans you would know better that majority of black households servive because of govt grants.I have family members in that situation if you want to please whites go ahead but don't make our suffering a topic to get white acceptancec
Geog 12/2/2008 11:29:10 AM
Lets have a balanced judgement. Have we seen any other party coming out and presenting their manifestos. Then we can criticise the ANC but Thili, you just criticising on vacuum level. Comparing an apple to nothing is like having done nothing. really, we need to be fair to ANC but just don't have to talk. Is right to voice opinion but it must be informed and unfortunately this one is not and suspected of plagiarism
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:31:39 AM
The ANC promised, liberation before education. Well, the struggle is long gone, but, education is still lacking. Or, are we still trying to liberate ourselves?
Wernardt 12/2/2008 11:33:09 AM
People like Cooler box has spent too many hours reading the garbage authored by the likes of Mugabe. The burden for uplifting the poor is not on investors, it is on Government. The eradication of poverty and unemployment is the perogative of Government,which needs to administer the billions of public funds to effectively implement policy instead of throwing parties and renaming streets. Do you understand what tax is for, or do you require a basic lesson in public administration? Numbskull.
Kenroid 12/2/2008 11:35:21 AM
Do you even know how an economy works??? Without an inflow of money from foreign investments or exports...a country will remain poor (Zim)! Go do some research before speaking of something you don't know! Simply put - Investment means growth, therefore more jobs! "idiots will quickly cease (sieze) the opportunity to criticise without clear understanding" - a victim of your own words you are! And it is not the duty of Investors to uplift the poor...that lies with our public "servants" the ANC!
nthatuwa 12/2/2008 11:35:30 AM
well said sir.My husband & I will be attending COPE meeting this evening at 18h00 @ City Hall.Lekota will be there.I'm also going to fill in my membership forms.Can't wait December 16.
Econ 12/2/2008 11:35:32 AM
that blindly stands by their chosen candidate no matter how much the mess up. We have a neighboring country that did the same. Anyone heard whether they turned the water back on in Harare?
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 11:35:55 AM
Lies CB, all lies. Think of the Euro companies with regards to Armsgate. Their contract was, to create a certain amount of jobs in SA. But of course, those facts got clouded, when the ANC started figuring out, how much they could pocket. Initial cost for Armsgate, 20billion, current cost 50 billion. And the ANC pocketted MOST of that money.
SeanO 12/2/2008 11:36:25 AM
to deliver on their election promises, as long as they mke the ignorant masses BELIEVE that they will deliver, then they are guaranteed of power for at least another term. So, the real power still lies in the mark of those voters who are easily misled, however, more and more voters seem to be wising up to the ANC's empty promises. The ANC will still win the election, but not with the comfortable majority of the past...
Geog 12/2/2008 11:36:41 AM
Lets have a balanced judgement. Have we seen any other party coming out and presenting their manifestos. Then we can criticise the ANC but Thili, you just criticising on vacuum level. Comparing an apple to nothing is like having done nothing. really, we need to be fair to ANC but just don't have to talk. Is right to voice opinion but it must be informed and unfortunately this one is not and suspected of plagiarism
Masti 12/2/2008 11:37:54 AM
how do u think Zuma is going to fund the grants ? Where is he going to get the money frm ??? Business and Tax Payers...so what does this mean increase taxes for business and individuals, are u going to invest in a country with high tax rates ???? Use ur brain and think...is it that difficult ??
suzie 12/2/2008 11:38:55 AM
Political parties should publish a project plan with their promises ..by when will they deliver what they have promised. If they don't meet it the opposision should come into government. But I think it is time to give it to a women. We had male prime ministers and presidents from the apartheids era until now, it didn't work. Let woman do it, erase crime, deliver service. They can do it
Thami 12/2/2008 11:39:02 AM
Why you don't leave South Africas problems to the South Africans. Your good or bad ideas would serve your country best. Why don't you go home and implement whatever ideas you've got and we will see if you will still be alive down there in your JUNGLE. I blame home affairs though for you being in S.A. illegal (came under the fence) and now you have big mouth.
Geoff 12/2/2008 11:39:57 AM
Cooler box - your absolute stupidy is almost beyond belief but then again we know that you represent the type of ignorence, is exactly why the ANC is still in power today. The entire country knows that the only people benefitting from any investment or growth, is a handful of ANC backed fat cats - all black. Thank God the "INVESTORS" are all realizing this and that - you fool, is why they won't be back. Ask Pepsi and a number of others, they'll enlighten you.
bonjo 12/2/2008 11:40:25 AM
The primary responsibilty of any government is to look after its citizens no matter the cost. South Africa is a rich in natural resources and investors will always flock into South Africa. The us and the west are spending trllions of rands to protect job losses in their own countries, and SA should not be immune to that, investors do not run SA but we do, so we will decide how best to gover
giddo 12/2/2008 11:42:09 AM
The ANC never intended to deliver on their promises, they know its impossible but they don?t care ..as long as they stay in power? they will keep on lying to the uneducated masses... its the African way.
ML 12/2/2008 11:42:34 AM
What's their manefesto?If ANC failed before who were the leaders?I'm sure the answer is Shilowa,Mluleki Goerge,Mbeki,Lekota and many others who left the ANC to cop(y) it,so who's fooling who?Better the ANC's manefesto than carbon COPY.
Zami 12/2/2008 11:43:07 AM
You seem to be blinded by your following of the ANC with no reasoning at all. its people like you who makes some of us feel so ashamed of our fellow brainless blacks like you. Why do you think the writer is not legal simply because he is Venda then he is illegal in this country. Shame on you and your stupidity.
bonjo 12/2/2008 11:46:36 AM
i am sure this is your philosophy, but this philosophy has failed a number of our people from working class to the poor. SA today is one of the most expensive country to reside in, talk about cost of buying a house, the motor cars are over priced, cellphone costs are overpriced! and you ask yourself where is the governmet intervention in all of this? apartheid government provided significantly for whites, so let the ANC do its mandate, Viva ANC.
Ulaka 12/2/2008 11:46:40 AM
Its troubling when all you hear of is draft documents and no real policies get published. Everything stays in draft form because no one has the courage, wisdom or vision to take it to the next level. You carry on defending Satan all you want, but i can see 30 million people as blind as you and stuck in their own poverty. gold plated Mashini wami. Luto wena!
We will Cope 12/2/2008 11:52:08 AM
I mean really now. They are running the country into the gorund, and you still support them? But then again those of you responding here, probably got your slice of the BEE pie, hence dont care about the man in the street. Wake up, ANC doesnt give a hoot about you!
Joe333 12/2/2008 11:53:53 AM
I trust that you are not suggesting that the investors must give the money directly to the government or, by implication, the ANC. And, please, show us how the ANC has uplifted the poor? I think that your white fat cats have done more to uplift the poor than the collective that you call the ANC. If you had bothered to open your eyes you would have noticed that the building of schools and the upgrading of hospitals are mainly paid for by the private sector.
Joe333 12/2/2008 11:54:14 AM
I trust that you are not suggesting that the investors must give the money directly to the government or, by implication, the ANC. And, please, show us how the ANC has uplifted the poor? I think that your white fat cats have done more to uplift the poor than the collective that you call the ANC. If you had bothered to open your eyes you would have noticed that the building of schools and the upgrading of hospitals are mainly paid for by the private sector.
Jayzee 12/2/2008 11:54:18 AM
I read serveral of your comments and really amazed by your stupidity. 14 years is not enough to undo the damage caused by yourself and your forefathers. It is clear that people like you will continue to criticise simply because they hate blacks. There is a room for people like you in hell and it is the right place for you.
Squash 12/2/2008 11:56:33 AM
I still to see a day's posting without ANC this, ANC that... What have we become, can't we think or say something without ANC. This tell me that the ANC is still BIG and will still win as nobody on the opposite say anything until the ANC has spoken, then follows the bashing...interesting times indeed.
M 12/2/2008 11:56:36 AM
because they have lots of loyal voters that don't think or can't spot a lie. Coolerbox - Racists as ever. I think the BEE fat cats scored the most,hence a South African on the Forbes list. Is he maybe black? Racists scull thickness impress me every time.
witseun 12/2/2008 11:56:56 AM
the next election in 2013 will be a different story. The opposition is on a steady growth path and I'm sure some consolidation will occur in the future. The average South African is becoming more affluent and more people are being educated, while the "struggle generation" is also getting older and less energetic.The vocal youth league in the ANC is simply out of their depth and doing more harm than good to the ANC's cause.The ANC is on course to follow the same fate as other liberation movements.
Les-Maada 12/2/2008 11:59:23 AM
"The governing party has yet to deliver some of their promises made in their previous manifestos".Are you blind or deaf by any chance?Better Education,Thousands of RDP Households Built,Schools,affordable Electricity installions to previousely disadvantaged communities,better economic policies,Your own democratic rights that u tend to abuse,the list is endless!!Cope is for Blind & u're the perfect eg !!!
Mandla 12/2/2008 11:59:26 AM
You are obviously a Cop(s)e memeber who is desparate for the ANC support. Obviously Copse members like you copy and lie. Now you copied this article which seek to discredit the ANC. The ANC cant be compared to Copse because copse dont have policies and not even a manisfesto for the elections. I cant understand someone that joins Copse, i rather join IFP, ID or UDM.
christoph 12/2/2008 11:59:32 AM
Refreshing to read from people like you Thailaiwi that it needs more than God, Zuma and the ANC to save South Africa from disaster. Vote COPE to stop this irresponsible behaviour of the current leadership of the ANC! There are other ways of getting rid of poverty, unemployment and enhancing health and education sectors.!
Richkid 12/2/2008 12:04:26 PM
Yes populist ideas (whatever that means) must just wait. Its time for the rich to get richer, after all the land belongs to the rich only. The poor are lucky we are even considering them. We must just bring investors as everyone knows investors are our savour. They will invest their money and we will get rich and maybe, just maybe this time they may create some jobs for the poor, but after we have gotten rich. Yes!
Duzi 12/2/2008 12:06:25 PM
Thami, your intolerance to other's views is starting to sound similar to that Adolf Hitler guy and his views towards Jews... a litle tollerance and a little less aggression my sweetheart, unless of course you like to aline yourself to tyrants like uncle Adolf...?
Tomas 12/2/2008 12:10:09 PM
not all Vendas are South Africans, truth hurts! Cooler bOX IS CORRECT, the BRADA is not from S.A. another flop from home affairs and now that he has obtained documents through his cahoots, he is COPE now. Who is next, Nigerians etc. to COPE or AUCOPE (African Union COPE?
Mvelasi 12/2/2008 12:11:35 PM
I know that the ANC has made it's mistakes, but let us look at who was ruling then. most of those people are sitting at the COPE right now. it is clear to me that most people want to see this beutiful country going down by constantly supporting COPE. JZ and JM are hated cause of the media. not because they have not kept their promises. Give them a chance or vote the same regime in a different uniform. why dont you vote the DA or UDM and ID or even IFP and stop Saying COPE where is thier Manifesto
Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/2/2008 12:13:37 PM
If someone doesn't support your views, you call him a 'coconut'. Typical ANC ignorance and racism shining through you. Go vote ANC, you deserve them. They deserve you.
Sipho 12/2/2008 12:16:01 PM
Cooler box, Goverment is relying heavily on taxes to finace it's programmes. So without Companies(investors) paying tax it means no money for financing those projects. So pls go back and do a little bit of reading and be informed brother b4 you embarrass yourself even further.HAMBA UYOFUNDA IZINCWADI UKUZE UVUKE EMAQANDENI NDODA! Gone are the days of voting for ANC just because they brought us freedom. Thanks to COPE leaders for giving the people of this country an alternative political party!
Katlego Ndlovu 12/2/2008 12:16:22 PM
I have had enough of the ANC's inability to deliver on its promises. It has now been nearly 14 years of empty promises, save for some transformation which could also have been handled in a more diplomatic manner, maintaining necessary experts to save the country from crisises such as the Eskom tabacle. We need the COPE to establish a proper party for the people, where people from Soweto and Ventersdorp can confidently vote for the same party...
Langa 12/2/2008 12:22:22 PM
Sadly education achievement or lack is beginning to show. Bill Clinton's IQ is 172. Average for SA is 107. However 130 plus indicates a good education. Tertiary studies is not so much about what is learned but rather how we are taught to think! Current ANC leadership needs to be measured. Are they to be found wanting a few more points?
seema 12/2/2008 12:22:33 PM
I am sure the world is have handout programs that are even shocking than the proposed ones . My concern is the seld dependend mode . Government can leverage on this handouts , aling them to skills and training intervantions .Also incentify good track record . Make them attractive revolutionise the queing system . I am sure theres a lot of skills and training programs to drive along with hand out -Giving is good but equipping is the best
Proudly South African 12/2/2008 12:22:51 PM
Spot on. If the ANC would touch on the issues you mention they woul definitely have my vote. I may not know COPE that well, but I am willing to give them a chance. I did the same with ANC but they let me down.
Benzo 12/2/2008 12:23:28 PM
c'mon guys & girls, this is just electioneering. Enjoy the phrases, plans, promises and the characters who are trying to convince you. The political circus will go on. We have just come out of the US circus. Who believes what is your choice!!!!
Elizabeth 12/2/2008 12:27:09 PM
Maybe Mr Lekota calls them "Sir" because he is decent and respectful. He calls men of other races also "Sir". Why do you leave that out? If you respect someone, it does NOT mean he/she is superior to you! As for Ms Helen Zille: you do know she's the one that revealed the truth of Steve Biko's death, right? If she was really as bad and racist as you and others make her out to be, don't you think she would've kept that to herself? Grow up. STOP seeing race! Race does NOT make you good or bad!
Jayzee 12/2/2008 12:27:47 PM
You claim that Juan hates blacks, well it seems you hate whites. So hell is destined for both of you then. That;s where ALL racists belong. 14 Years does not come close to undoing the damage caused by apartheid, but holding the current generation responsible is silly. Yes we've benefitted from it, but it was through no fault of choice of our own, and most of us (black and white) are working to change South Africa into a united people, it's narrow minded people like you that hinder us.
loli 12/2/2008 12:28:46 PM
Well Said. The anc do what ever it takes to win next year's election by targeting poor people in our county. In my area they were distributing thousands of job form, promising jobs of high standard to the unemployed people.
Andrei 12/2/2008 12:30:01 PM
If you want to ensure service delivery and promises by politicians, you will have to control them within a service level agreement framework which enforces accountability. Nothing else will work. Should we trust any political party or politician in RSA? They must be controlled to deliver by using a financially based penalty SLA framework which works positively for the people and motivates government to deliver on time successfully.
loli 12/2/2008 12:31:31 PM
Well Said. The anc do what ever it takes to win next year's election by targeting poor people in our county. In my area they were distributing thousands of job form, promising jobs of high standard to the unemployed people.
Kenroid 12/2/2008 12:31:57 PM
You guys are hilarious! You have to stoop to attacking the authors background and then assume he is not from SA!!! I have a chinese mate who was born here - is he not South African? Even if this author has moved here, it is possible to gain citizenship! Your comments that attack him are yet another sign that confirms the title of this post - "Signs of Desperation"
xman 12/2/2008 12:33:02 PM
when everybody else is thinking of tightning their belts because of the global financial crisis the ruling party is thinking of spending. the party needs to wake up and think more about the long term future of south africa and not about short term and short sighted gains.
Ulaka 12/2/2008 12:34:13 PM
Truth hurts bud. The facts are the facts -More people are murdered in SA each than Iraq, Afganistan etc. There is corruption everywhere. We have had Zenophobic violence. hijackings are as common as thunderstorms.your house and your possesions are not even safe if you have electric fence, burgler bars and dogs. if you disagree with anything i have just said, then you are blind and deaf to what happens around you. this country is in trouble.nothing to do with race. you create that assumption.
Bandz 12/2/2008 12:34:37 PM
I would liek to believe that after 14 years it has finally sunkedinto peoples skull that the ANC is party for a few people and not for all, they have failed us in all avenues that they had promised, and by them introducing these grants and making more promises i cna only hope that people out there will see it as just another way of winning votes ahead of the elections, its tme for CHANGE and evryone must join and get rid of this goverment who are out to enrich themselves and not better our county
Zwide 12/2/2008 12:34:38 PM
It's a pity that people like you who can actually read and write, fail to see that COPE does not have any policy. Yet you have fallen for the pyramid scheme; hook, line and sinker! You cannot even accept that these morons in COPE are the same morons who were in the ANC. Why should we vote for them? Why not the DA who have known policies and are not driven by hate? Why should we chose these clowns with no policy? The world has gone mad indeed!
xman 12/2/2008 12:34:40 PM
when everybody else is thinking of tightning their belts because of the global financial crisis the ruling party is thinking of spending. the party needs to wake up and think more about the long term future of south africa and not about short term and short sighted gains.
Filemon 12/2/2008 12:36:12 PM
You mention better education? Standards are lower and even fewer pass. You mention affordable electricity installations? Only if you illegally connect and there is no load shedding at the time. Dim f'n wit
Ulaka 12/2/2008 12:36:16 PM
Truth hurts bud. The facts are the facts -More people are murdered in SA each than Iraq, Afganistan etc. There is corruption everywhere. We have had Zenophobic violence. hijackings are as common as thunderstorms.your house and your possesions are not even safe if you have electric fence, burgler bars and dogs. if you disagree with anything i have just said, then you are blind and deaf to what happens around you. this country is in trouble.nothing to do with race. you create that assumption.
Kal-El 12/2/2008 12:39:17 PM
Everybody, vote for the ANC! We need a one party state! As seen in the rest of Africa, this has worked beautifully. With no strong opposition, the government can do as they please! Our great and honorable leaders whom we worship, may be free from the constraints of the law. Nobody, including the evil media, will be allowed to criticize them. We will serve them with our loyalty. ANC, we bow before you as humble servants and supporters. Do as you please to our country, for you have freed us and deserve all the riches.
Kente B 12/2/2008 12:40:46 PM
I am a proud South African and I will not tolerate idiots who mess up the country with your stupid propaganda. Fools like you will read a sentence from a newspaper article and create a mountain out of it. This is clearly what your white filled media is doing to brainless idiots. Some of your investors are ripping of their workers and inflating prices.
Kenroid 12/2/2008 12:41:00 PM
But the problem!!! Just take a look at Americans for instance! They are royally screwed for the future...because they promised medical aid and retirement to millions of baby boomers! There are millions of Americans who feel safe because of their government grants and that the government will look after their health and pocket! Whats going to happen now when their biggest generation retires??? How will they pay pensions?!! ENTITLEMENT is the enemy of any economy!!
Nicole 12/2/2008 12:43:38 PM
You ANC supporters (les maada, cape town kid and such) are all so angry. You all want to be "uplifted" and made rich and have freedom of choice and thought, yet you are so bitter when a fellow south african voices and opinion that differs from yours! You call him a coconut and all sorts of stupid things, if you want black people to be wealthy why are so you so angry when you come across one who is doing well? Is it jealousy because you are waiting for a handout that will never come???
Joe333 12/2/2008 12:46:49 PM
What you say is true regarding draft documents and its application. However, does this mean that the ANC will remain a 'draft' political party forever?
Thami 12/2/2008 12:47:33 PM
Look @ his picture and go to Yeoville, Hillbrow and tell me if he is your spouse. I don't have time for the likes of him because they ran away from their respective countries and now we are faced with shortages of everything because THEY PUT MORE PRESSURE on resources. To them water is GOLD, their armpits first when they arrive would tell you the story of water and them being parallel lines!
Love Africa 12/2/2008 12:48:51 PM
You have put down what most people feel, but the problem is Cope is full of old ANC politicians that never delivered! I think its about time our leaders take responsibly for there actions and deliver to people that has given them the right to rule!
Langa 12/2/2008 12:49:24 PM
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime! - not my quote.
Thikhathali 12/2/2008 12:49:30 PM
I think you lack knowledge of what you are talking about. The Cope you are praising now are the people who were in government for the past 14 years and failed the citizens of this country. Where they only waiting to be removed from government and then deliver? Absolutely not. They failed because they were still filling up their stomachs. Polokwane taught them a lesson that the ANC is not own by individuals but belongs to the people of this country who belelive in democratic values.VIVA ANC.
Thikhathali 12/2/2008 12:49:51 PM
I think you lack knowledge of what you are talking about. The Cope you are praising now are the people who were in government for the past 14 years and failed the citizens of this country. Where they only waiting to be removed from government and then deliver? Absolutely not. They failed because they were still filling up their stomachs. Polokwane taught them a lesson that the ANC is not own by individuals but belongs to the people of this country who belelive in democratic values.VIVA ANC.
CTheB 12/2/2008 12:56:20 PM
There's no need to worry. Didn't you see the weekend's headlines? The ANC has promised to keep it's promises this time. Apparently 4th time's the charm, not 3rd.
Filemon 12/2/2008 12:58:57 PM
You mention better education? Standards are lower and even fewer pass. You mention affordable electricity installations? Only if you illegally connect and there is no load shedding at the time. Dim f'n wit
Danny Lee 12/2/2008 12:59:12 PM
It is really monkey-behaviour to tell the writer to go to the Jungle... What arrogance.. Do you think foreigners would come here if they hear what you got to say. I know your answer "Tell them to leave." Yeah and then Zim2 is on the way. S.A wont survive without investors. Get that into your skull pls. And stop being zenophobic. We really need education in this count. We have communism in S.A . Keep the ppl stupid and blind so you can fool them and rule.. Eg. Thami, Coolerbox, Bonjo
Joe333 12/2/2008 1:04:20 PM
What you say is true regarding draft documents and its application. However, does this mean that the ANC will remain a 'draft' political party forever?
Jean 12/2/2008 1:05:34 PM
If ANC promise to fix all the broken promises, why did they not deliver in the 1st place? Why would they be able to deliver now?
James 12/2/2008 1:07:38 PM
'Investors will always flock to SA'? Will they? Zimbabwe has natural resources too. Don't see investors flocking there now. Bad governance chases away investment. Zuma's ANC have put SA on a rocky road, I know I would not invest in SA if I had cash to invest.
VG 12/2/2008 1:08:05 PM
If you take good look at the doc, you'll see that it's simplyb business as usual for the ANC. They make pretty much the same promises as previously: houses, jobs, sanitation,schooling etc etc. As for their "non-delivery" - it would be interesting and informative if we had stats on 1)what the ANC promised 2)what was delivered and, thus, the success/failure rate. Until then there can be no constructve debate on this..as seen above
Barry 12/2/2008 1:09:44 PM
Our domesic helper who has worked in our home for over 20 years has stated that she would be leaving our employment after the elections. She produced a note which was handed out at one of Malema's gatherings stating that that the ANC will ensure that all their supporters will be given better jobs with wages on par with all other employed South Africans earning a an average wage.Do these people for once stop to think of how many ladies are going to be unemployed after they resign their posts.
Jaded 12/2/2008 1:11:23 PM
Word to the wise: anyone who seeks power for its own sake is not to be trusted. For this reason, placing trust in anyone who seeks political office, regardless of the party they align themselves with, is nothing but folly. Get used to it people: politicians lie - ALL OF THEM.
Dave 12/2/2008 1:12:28 PM
I love the fact the COPE is taking away votes from the ANC. It's about time they had a bit of fire under the backsides. It's really amazing though how agro their supporters get (ANC) Everyone has their say at the end of the day, each man to their own. Look at Zim, can you beleive Mugabe still has supporters?? Same will happen here, and i'm glad they getting a run for their money.
Hero 12/2/2008 1:13:28 PM
I cannot balme anyone who feels that they rather wants to vote for COPE or any other party besides the ANC because I cannot hav people vote for Zuma,when he clearly said on a few oaccasions that he would "TAKE DOWN MANY OTHERS" if prosecuted for the Arms Deal Saga. If you still want to vote ANC you either STUPID or HAVE NO VALUES !!
Big Bad Bob 12/2/2008 1:15:42 PM
An example of what I'm talking about was a "draft document" leaked to the press that implied that property rates were going to increased by an order of magnitude. Eventually a final policy document was drawn up, was ratified and was much more realistic. Even the DA conceded that it was a fair and necessary policy. So what I'm saying is that the ANC makes policies, but that we need to understand that a "draft" is not final - it is a basis for discussion and the discussion leads to a final policy.
Um-SLA-Wami 12/2/2008 1:16:22 PM
Katlego Ndlovu and the likes blame the ANC for not delivering? The ANC is a brand name. Not a live being! It's the people (Mbeki-faction) in the ANC, who migrated to Cope, who could not deliver in the first place, who formed Cope. By defending Cope, you defend those who failed you in the first place!!!! I will vote for a political party who is prepared to govern within a Servive Level Agreement framework. Anything else causes political harm to me and my fellow citizens.
Bandz 12/2/2008 1:21:09 PM
its change i want in this country and that change does not involve the ANC or the newly formed COPE, they can all go jump...
Karen 12/2/2008 1:24:38 PM
It may have said a lot of things, but needn't have said anything more than "We will give you whatever you want just give us your vote so that Zuma can be president." Your vote for the ANC is for Zuma. Look at his pictures in the press lately. He used to have an arrogant laugh, now he has a bowed head and hands pressed together as if praying. What he's actually doing is preying though - on the poor and uneducated peoples desperation. How will they know that the promises are impossible?
Karen 12/2/2008 1:35:35 PM
Zuma did not deny his involvement in the Arms deal, he just threatened anybody else who was involved that if he goes down he's taking them with him. Just shows you that he is willing to keep quiet about the involvement of others as long as they keep quiet about his involvement. What a web we weave......crooks the whole bloody lot of them.
Geog 12/2/2008 1:36:07 PM
Goodness Gracious,You ridicule the ANC, but you still assume them as forthcoming victors. Your statements just undermined the ANC Voting south african citizens calling them "desperates" as if they can't think. Maybe if you put your brains back in your head, you will get your senses back. Get a life broer
Joe333 12/2/2008 1:46:53 PM
I do understand the concept of draft and final documents; however, what my question implied was that the ANC is still a 'draft' political party. They are struggling to become a real political party as opposed to being a liberation movement. They need to move beyond apartheid now and join the real world. In short, they should stay clear of old-time pan-africanism and become a modern democratic party with policies to match. I have serious doubts if either the ANC or COPE could become such a party.
Sam Gabela 12/2/2008 1:48:58 PM
No matter what other people say, ANC did change our country for the better. We must understand that the Government of the day (led by the ANC) can not do everything for people, people need to step up and do things for themselves. The Shikotas must forget, they failed to deliver when they were part of the ANC, so they must stop misleading people. If Cope was concerned about the contents of the Freedom Charter, why they failed to implement it when they were still in positions in the ANC. - SG
Kenroid 12/2/2008 1:56:36 PM
But the problem!!! Just take a look at Americans for instance! They are royally screwed for the future...because they promised medical aid and retirement to millions of baby boomers! There are millions of Americans who feel safe because of their government grants and that the government will look after their health and pocket! Whats going to happen now when their biggest generation retires??? How will they pay pensions?!! ENTITLEMENT is the enemy of any economy!!
EvylShnukums 12/2/2008 2:02:05 PM
First off Langa I disagree with your statements about IQ. Education does not equal high IQ, an average IQ score is 100, and the claim that Clinton's IQ was 182 was a hoax. Secondly, I have to point out that, if the COPE members were government fat cats in years gone by, they were still answerable to that same ANC who has so miserably failed to deliver. And thirdly, I feel that words like "in power" and "rule" are somewhat out of place in a modern democracy. I for one am pleased with the split.
Geoff 12/2/2008 2:10:36 PM
COPE has only just become reality...what about a week ago! How the hell can you expect a concise manifest already you bloody clots! They have stated their basic belief and direction and i'm sure their manifest will not be long coming but the point is - here we have been shown so little but compared to what exists - it's volumes and certainly enough to get thinking South Africans excited, and certainly enough to get the ANC all panicky. All you have to do is sit back and watch them squirm. GO COP!
Francois 12/2/2008 2:14:53 PM
Buddy, I REALLY APPRECIATE your outlook and what you told that other well educated person! I will GLADLY party with you.
Eclipse 12/2/2008 2:20:20 PM
There is just one thing worst then a terrorist, it is a liberal. The ANC was both.
EvylShnukums 12/2/2008 2:25:57 PM
Sam, I agree that the govt can't do everything and at this stage the ANC is still somewhat better than the pre-1994 govt, but I have to ask: if Lekota et al failed to deliver, were they the only ones or did the rest of the ANC also fail to deliver? And if it was just them, why did the party leadership not take them to task?
mandla 12/2/2008 2:27:36 PM
For all the promises that were never delivered, the previous leadership of Thabo "Mr Witch hunt" Mbeki, Terror "Mr power hungry" Lekota, Mbazima "Mr intalectual Security Guard" Shilowa, Mluleki "Mr Comical Ali" George etc. That is why they were removed through democratic votes in Polokwane. Now they are heroes to Jean. Ha Ha ha, How lovely!!
LW 12/2/2008 2:32:59 PM
Why are all these ANC supporters bleating on about the fact that COPE is filled with ex ANC supporters who did not deliver. Does that not speak volumes about the ANC's lack of service delivery in itself? It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, now does it? Or perhaps it does.
Black Conscious 12/2/2008 2:35:52 PM
The death of Steve Biko was never a state secret - He was killed by being assaulted and driven thousands of kilometres to get medical attention. So exactly how did your Helen Zille help ??? Which truth did she reveal ??? You can shower Helen Zille with all kind of compliments and achievements, I simply dont care but dont claim undue credit by using Bantu's name. We all know how he died, who killed him and why he was killed. Please dont insult our intelligence.
Lesego 12/2/2008 2:36:37 PM
Maybe those who benefited from the BEE deals owe the ANC your loyalty. I live in the area that knows no transformation. I owe no one shit! I will vote for whoever I like...it's my democratic right after all. Call me a coconut if it makes feel any better. Go ahead and continue supporting you corrupt, selfish and ignorant comrades - you know what's in for you.
MJS 12/2/2008 2:36:54 PM
What is the point of having a medium for discussions but we abuse it to show how xenophobic and racist we all are. Do you ALL not find it shameful to want to live in a country which is becoming a nanny state, which has to pay for everything even for people having babies they cannot afford? How for the life of me will the ANC pay for all their grand schemes? By taxing those people who are still lucky to have a job!
Koos 12/2/2008 2:40:57 PM
Is this a new (very old) kind of fight? Cope had problems coping with areas where the electorate are Zulus and alliance. Is it because Cope is siding with the xhozas and their alliance? If so, this has nothing to do with politics, but more with tribalism.
Duzi 12/2/2008 2:43:41 PM
And that makes you better than him and gives you the right to insult? Read your comments from yesterday... pure intollerance... similar to Vervoed during apartheid. I'm not agreeing or diagreeing with anything that is said, but at least I don't assume I am better than my neighbour not matter what country he/she is from. That, Thami, I'm afriad is what is wrong with society these days.. no tollerance and ignorance to other's situations... Just remember, Adolf thought he was better than the Jews..
M 12/2/2008 3:07:22 PM
You are clearly schooled by some communist madmen. Redistribute wealth? I.e. the one can work and then he has to give to the one that's too lazy to work?Please leave my beautiful country immediately 4 some 3rd world, ex-comm country. How about we all WORK for the wealth for this country.Then we all can benefit from it.Your ANC created this mess of BEE multimillionaires!
Point Blank 12/2/2008 3:08:37 PM
Not everyone in COPe is ex-ANC, just shows how much you actually know doesn't it? COPE is made up of ANC, ID, DA and SACP, PAC and several other parties, a true democratic non racial party. You sound desperate as the ANC manifesto boet.
Point Blank 12/2/2008 3:10:32 PM
I rest my case. Intolerant, rude, militant, threatening, Xenophobic and disgusting. Typical and expected... PLease everyone, take note of the ANC's desperate attempts at intimidation and intolerance and take note for the next round of debates!
Sibusiso 12/2/2008 3:32:54 PM
What is unfortunate about your opinion piece is that, like the rest of them, you have joined a long queue of those that have sold their souls for the imaginary glitz and glamour the South African media has granted you. The irony is that the COPE leadership is the very same leadership that failed South Africans while in government and leading the ANC. Can you really compare COPE to the ANC? and keep a straight face?
Nyambos 12/2/2008 3:51:46 PM
We keep hearing these words that the ANC is running the country to the ground, really, is RSA worse off than it was pre-1994, if so then they are running the country to the ground, people who vote for the ANC are referred to in all sorts of names, hence we are a democratic country, if you believe so much in the ANC's failures, by all means convince the people to vote otherwise.
Papa Wem 12/2/2008 3:58:21 PM
Well, Mr Thilaiwi Nethengwe is canvassing for Shikota, period. Nothing wrong with an aspiring member to try and swim upstream against the tide. This tide, when fully unleashed is called a Tsunami, ask Lekota, Shilowa, Ngonyama and all other Polokwane losers who are alergic to democracy they will tell you! If the ANC has failed to deliver on previous manifestos, ask Lekota, Mluleki, Shilowa and other cowards as to why, since they are that very same ANC that you are talking about.
Point Blank 12/2/2008 4:00:56 PM
Sam, please remember that Shikota was not acting on his own while in the ANC, he would've had to tow the party line and act within the ANC framework. Therefore, saying that THEY failed means the ANC failed.
Sven Gohre 12/2/2008 4:08:40 PM
People seem to have forgotten that in the last election the ANC claimed that they had created 2 million jobs in the formal sector. The lie was so blatent, and the SA news media so enthralled with the ANC 10 years of Liberation celebrations, that the lie was allowed to go unchallenged. The way the ANC government masages statistics, I will not be surprised if they have already created 5 million jobs.
Pinky and the Brain 12/2/2008 4:16:04 PM
ba ha.. the ANC has no idea how to handle this situation that they've put themselves in.. and i'm afraid they only have themselves to blame!
Sibusiso 12/2/2008 4:27:31 PM
If you were not an opportunist and therefore a critical reader, as your opinion is based on what you read, you would have observed the unjustified malicious attacks the media has subjected the ANC leadership under ? your opinion is no different to this. Seemingly all of you at COPE are suffering from chronic amnesia as you forgot to mention that the COPE leadership failed as leaders in government and in ANC.
Sven Gohre 12/2/2008 4:49:25 PM
I am amused by how often the Freedom Charter is bandied about by people on this forum. Very few of who have ever read the document.For example under the heading The People Shall Share in The Countries Wealth, it states the banks and monopoly industries shall be transfered to the ownership of the people as a whole. Nationalisation in other words, do you see COPE, or the ANC fulfilling that clause? Free education?Full unemployment Benefits? etc etc
Pieter Joubert 12/2/2008 5:28:43 PM
This comment proves it: "Rather tell us about those rather than wasting your breath.Viva ANC" We are talking about a core of brainless voters who are not willing to look at both sides of any coin. Our democracy needed the ANC as strong government to have a full go for at least 10 to 15 years. Now we must develop further. We must vote directly for a President. Our ruling "party" must split into units that represent specific views. Above all we need non-racial parties & voters. Where's our Obama?
Pieter Joubert 12/2/2008 5:34:05 PM
We have our own unique reality: The only thing that the child support grant has achieved, is to increase death by AIDS. One could even call it a murderous grant, as it has discouraged the use of condoms. That should be more than enough of an example. Effective government is the only option, implementing sound policies (we already have many) vicarously towards the achievement of realistic goals. It should also be enough of a promise to get 51% vote. Getting 70% is undemocratic.

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