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2009-01-12 14:05

Tshepo Matjila, News24 User

It's goodbye GEAR, welcome back RDP!

Anyone who watched the ANC election manifesto launch on TV would tell you: No political party in South Africa today can muster such a large an enthusiastic crowd in the near future except the ANC itself!

Hate it or love it - the ANC has ground support and there is nothing you, COPE or the DA can do about it. It would take the next movement no less than two decades to pack a stadium with as many people as the ANC can and would on any good day. That is just a fact!

What Zuma lacked in charisma, the vociferous crowd made up for it with their enthusiasm. They were uncontrollable, jubilant and couldn't wait to sing umshini wam with Jacob Zuma, after he finished stuttering over the ANC's lofty election promises.

What the manifesto means: an analysis

It is glaringly obvious that the ANC wants to shake off any traces of Thabo Mbeki in their future plans; going all out to remove any business-friendly policies that endeared Thabo and the ANC to investors and the business community. The ANC, now over-powered by Cosatu and the pro-worker SACP, re-launched an emboldened RDP (Reconstruction and Development Programme) manifesto that Mbeki unceremoniously killed in 1996 in favour of the ambitious GEAR (Growth, Employment & Re-distribution).

Gear was investor-friendly and quickly transformed South Africa into Africa's economic tour de force and made our country the preferred partner for many international businesses and investors.

No less than two landmark deals were concluded on Mbeki's watch: the billion dollar partnership between ABSA and Barclays UK was a landmark deal before ICBC eclipsed this deal with their own strategic alliance with Standard Bank South Africa in 2007.

BEE and BBBEE boomed; more women and disabled people were empowered; race relations improved drastically; we won the UN Security Seat; hosted the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD); our competitiveness and ease of doing business index improved dramatically; our economy recorded the longest sustained economic upswing ever recorded in SA; the emergence of a middle class (black and white increased); South Africa won the rights to host the FIFA World Cup - all this the incumbent president acknowledged as ANC victories in the past 15 years.

There were failures as well on the ANC and GEAR's watch:

  • The casualization of the labour force made many people a slave to bad employment practices
  • The massive privatisation of state-owned enterprises left many people unemployed, broke and destitute
  • HIV/Aids ravaged our people and killed millions while we were dithering over the roll-out of a better alternatives to ARVs
  • The gap between the "have lots" and "have not" ballooned
  • Dumping of textiles and other products from eastern countries became the norm, greatly prejudicing the livelihood of many of our business
  • Corruption, cronyism and nepotism became the order of the day
  • Eskom & SAA became regular beggars for funds while their bosses feasted on massive packages and enormous benefits

JZ said the ANC assumed responsibility for these failures too but was quick to forget to mention and acknowledge the stewardship of his predecessor as he navigated to read the lengthy manifesto. The rather uninspiring 15 or so minutes of JZ reading the manifesto was punctuated with a few applauses here and there and the loudest applause when he mentioned the increasing of grants.

This makes one to think a little bit, like:

  • Do people vote the ANC because they know that they would continue to receive grants?
  • Do people vote ANC because they believe there is no other political party that can do better than the ANC or,
  • Do people vote the ANC because they know this is the only ticket for them to qualify for "a better life for all?"

I have a problem with the first and last point because then it cast a bleak picture about the majority of South Africans. If we continue to draw voters on the strength of charity, as in grants, then to me it means that we have a long way to go. This culture would create a lot of beggars rather than creators.

A culture of dependency rather than industry, hard work and progress. RDP was unfeasible and had to be scaled back over 13 years ago because of its over-reliance on government expenditure, what makes the ANC and its alliance to think that it would work now?

Where does the alliance think government would get the money to provide for all the lofty, capital-intensive plans contained in its election manifesto? Does government have a bottomless pit of loot to meet this election promises or would the citizenry be forced to foot the bill of this ambitious plans through higher taxes? What exactly is the Alliance stance on inflation targeting? Is it still a non-starter for them?

  • I really enjoyed watching the launch, enjoyed the electric mood and buoyancy of it, but I have serious questions that make me even more sceptical about the incoming cabinet.
  • Make me understand, please!

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    American History X 1/12/2009 2:16:41 PM
    It will take any other movement half the time to fix the chaos caused by the ANC in government.
    general 1/12/2009 2:24:37 PM
    Tshepo are you on tik or what...your anc bussed people in from other provinces. The people you saw at ABSA stadium in EL were not from Mdantsane, Duncan Village, King Williams Town, Alice, Middledrift etc and other surrounding areas bro. Most of them left the stadium confused as your showerhead did not touch base on bread and butter issues, such as sanitation and housing. Wake up and smell "weed" you idiot.
    Point Blank 1/12/2009 2:27:09 PM
    What an awesome article Tshepo! Balanced. Look I have witnessed the change in South Africa and it's NOT all doom and gloom. Yes there is crime and there is a lot of racial intolerance, but these are issues that can be dealt with. But I do think it is unhealthy for the ANC to rule until Jesus returns and yes we do have the power to stop it, but it will take time.
    L van Heerden 1/12/2009 2:27:50 PM
    When you have the budget, everything is possible, including constant delays in sending Zuma to trial. I wonder what position Judge Nicholson will get from the ANC? Justice Minister?
    Cape Town Kid 1/12/2009 2:28:13 PM
    All revolutions must be socialist.Why becos it is people centred.Now u cannot replace a colonized regime with a business as usual approach.all these systems are capitalist systems which is not friendly towards the poor.Its the poor who have been robbed.rich landowners still own big business and poor still work the land?capital then favors rich and poor will never have redress.Now can a leftist org be accused of being left wen they r left to begin with?its this confusion that is clouding all reasn
    Zolile 1/12/2009 2:29:23 PM
    Tshepo, I am from the Eastern Cape and the majority of people are worried whether they will still get their grants now that Mbeki is no longer in power. So yes, people vote for ANC for the money they get in grants. Rightly, the ANC should be worried. But it won't change as it wants to cling to power. Ask fellow Zimbabewans how the country up north was ZANUFIED
    gbob 1/12/2009 2:30:54 PM
    Thx Tshepo,The ground support the ANC has,was displayed this weekend. They are voters who comes for a lengthy eat & drink party. Promise us grants and we will vote for you.Who cares about jobs when the middle class will pay the taxes for these grants..all paltry 5million of them.The rest will party!and maybe later riot when disillusionment creeps in .Cosatu has a voice,Zuma listened and turned left at the fork.Let us await a Zim fiasco in two decades time when the money runs out.
    vc 1/12/2009 2:31:15 PM
    Other political parties would probably get those kind of enthusiastic crowds if they were not fearfull of being killed by ANC supporters.
    Uncle UBA 1/12/2009 2:31:24 PM
    I thought only the ''king mswati'' and ''Zwelithini'' are allowed to marry more than ''1 wife'', so i can as well be on the prowl.Look out Rosina, Polina,Keketso,Dimkatso,Mapule et al.
    The Most 1/12/2009 2:32:07 PM
    Yahhhh met uys, met uys Tshepo
    Meshack 1/12/2009 2:32:17 PM
    Bravo Bra Tshepo.ANC fought for the demise of aprtheid in this country and will countinue to fight against poverty,HIV/AIDS and unemployment.DA,COPE UDM and the noise makers of this country must now give up the dreams of winning the coming elcetion.ANC`s mandate will be renewed and we will see service delivery.
    sticks 1/12/2009 2:33:39 PM
    Free t-shirts?
    Smanga Zulu 1/12/2009 2:34:55 PM
    Cope and any other party can claim Port Elizabeth as their 'strong hold'. Where are their people? The ANC on Saturday gave South Africans 80 000+ reasons to believe that its support base is unshakable. They can say the strong turnout is because the ANC ferried the people to the stadium... All I am saying is: DA, Cope or UDM should also offer to ferry people to their gatherings and see how many people will turn out. I wouldn't attend rallies of parties I do not support, come free food or transport
    jackey 1/12/2009 2:36:02 PM
    You couldnt have said it better.The incoming cabinet lacked the brains and skills of the old and we will now see a SA that has gone from a developing nation back to the 3rd world....Somebody please stop them..JZ is soon to be recharged,Malema is up for a cabinet post to promote hate speech and install fear in sober minded,hark working ,tax paying SA citizens,The SACP wants to get rid off the world most succesful and longest standing finance minister.Do u see SA under the new ANC...Scary !!!!
    Pitso 1/12/2009 2:36:13 PM
    Well thought out article, brilliant!Remember that the ANC has just unleashed its R100m election wave on all the smaller opposition parties, hence they could bus in the whole of the EC into one stadium. Fact is, when it comes to campaingning for elections, ANC is tops, whether they even keeping the lofty promises, its anaother question altogether!Me thinks its impossible to fulfill all those!Ehe 2009 election is not gonna be won by manifestos; loyalty and personalities are the issues!
    Undertaker 1/12/2009 2:36:26 PM
    It's sad to see intelligent people talk about support for a "Political party" that is so open in their cover ups and talk a whole lot of kak all the time, Allegedly this and that....please if we average citizens were to do that today then the jails will be empty, tax payers hard earned money going into these criminals pockets, COPE is for the intellectuals and ANC for the unruly, uncouth & unjust....COPE save SA
    Smanga Zulu 1/12/2009 2:36:41 PM
    Cope and any other party can claim Port Elizabeth as their 'strong hold'. Where are their people? The ANC on Saturday gave South Africans 80 000+ reasons to believe that its support base is unshakable. They can say the strong turnout is because the ANC ferried the people to the stadium... All I am saying is: DA, Cope or UDM should also offer to ferry people to their gatherings and see how many people will turn out. I wouldn't attend rallies of parties I do not support, come free food or transport
    mlungisi 1/12/2009 2:37:52 PM
    Because it is the only political party that have and continues to change people's life in SA. It is the only party that gives hope to people not only in SA, but in the world. I'll stick to the ANC, because of it's pacifism approach to international disputes. I vote ANC because it has shown and continues to be non-racial organization. The ANC is the one and only congress of the people in SA. I LUV ANC. ANC LEADS!
    Philani 1/12/2009 2:38:06 PM
    I will vote ANC, but not because of grants,as I am working. For a person who is not working its a very important means of survival, Tshepo. First the grant is meant for kids and not adults, I think people must be given food kids food parcels rather than money. Like people collecting metal scraps to make money, lets introduce a scheme of collecting dirt in exchange with money, that teach people something, and do away with useless dirt collecting contractors, like DEpt of Trans in KZN its working .
    Juan 1/12/2009 2:38:17 PM
    brand new submarines, jets and bmw's will NOT take theire hunger away. Even though it contains a lot of iron(y). What good is 'freedom' if you are STILL hungry and poor..even WORSE OFF than under apartheid? But if you continue voting for a self enriching bunch of gangsters, then you DESERVE that 'miserable life for all'.
    Kwe Kwe Guy 1/12/2009 2:38:18 PM
    I drove past there and I thought it was a funeral, everyone was asleep or drunk
    Morne 1/12/2009 2:38:36 PM
    Filling stadiums is one thing. Being a good government for SA is another.It is just a shame that the ANC plays and lies blatantly to our citizens. And 80 percent believes them even after many years of corruption and lies and non-performance. It has not delivered nothing except to a few - BEE and all.
    slabs 1/12/2009 2:38:41 PM
    The appartheid regime made way for the next monster and SA went from bad to worse. Question: If we did not have appartheid in this country would Zuma be standing for president. Would the ANC be abble to use "the revolution" as an excuse. The ANC's campaign is based on racism and they will use that card every time they have opposition.
    EL Lady 1/12/2009 2:39:29 PM
    Most of the people that attended the rally were rewarded with R20 and bread. My domestic got lucky and received 2 loaves of bread.
    Ginger 1/12/2009 2:39:50 PM
    Enough of the free hand outs and more getting off our backsides and helping ourselves and our communities. I have said it before - we need attitude adjustments. With all our farms, spaces, knowledge, number of unemployed - we have everything we need to build a better nation with but instead we sit back and wait for hand outs. The leading industrial/ money making countries are not waiting for handouts. More doing, less apathy.
    ANC Member 1/12/2009 2:41:31 PM
    Regardless any setuation We as people will vote and make sure that ANC stay in power for life. People now can walk and talk freely bacause of ANC... Ofcourse we made a mistake as we go forward and now is time for ANC to rectify the errors but generally ANC is doing well
    Thukzy 1/12/2009 2:41:55 PM
    Fact is , any party can do that should it have enough capital to hire buses to travel for more than 2000 kilometres. No I meant , any part with lot of irregular tenders' beneficiaries.
    (Dis)Interested 1/12/2009 2:42:48 PM
    Tshepo, your article is good. However, people like Cape Town Kid and General have proved that there are idiots on both sides of the spectrum who don't bother to actually read articles before adding their stereotypical points of view...
    abe 1/12/2009 2:42:50 PM
    In 2 decades the ANC will definitely not be the ruling party any more. Once the decline starts, things usually deteriorates very quickly from there. Any case, it is not how many people you pack in a stadium, it is how many tick your box at the voting booth.
    Sonny 1/12/2009 2:44:53 PM
    Len, never were truer words spoken. You seem to be in the know Cape town kid, so tell us what post will Malema the motor mouth get? Newly created post like Propoganda? You could become his PA!
    Johann 1/12/2009 2:45:16 PM
    Any party can fill a stadium if they rented 300 busses and 100 taxis...
    wb 1/12/2009 2:46:28 PM
    It seems all the ANC supporters have this need to glorify the ANC all the time and it is getting boring & stupid now! Who cares about what the ANC did in the past we the Tax payers gave them the money to do it, it is all about money! The DA would have spent three times the amount of money on good then the ANC have managed - people just dont get it!!! its all about having a strong opposition period!!!!!!!!
    Duzi 1/12/2009 2:49:08 PM
    We know you wouldn't attend any other rallies because you are quite comforable in you own little cacoon and would rather be ignorant about the world around you than experience or at least listen to other options... I must admit that I do pity you... doesn't your little world ever get boring? Or are you ok with thing day in and day out no matter whether it can be improved or not?
    lloyd macklin 1/12/2009 2:49:31 PM
    ..comments I heard after the release of the ANC manifesto was from an elderly woman who said"now the ANC are going to give us jobs' My heart bleeds for those poor people who actually believe what these corrupt people say. The fact that the better educated are too busy gorging at the pig trough to educate their own people is so very, very sad. Ubuntu? No one cares!
    Azonic 1/12/2009 2:50:29 PM
    Sho! The ANC sure is doing allot of fighting against "povaty", "unemploimunt" and H-Ai-Vee. Too bad there is no WINNING? Let any political party promise people a better life (compared to what, current rule under the ANC), houses and jobs, ANY party will draw stadiums. Meshack, you mean service delivery better than current ANC service delivery? How long you going to keep buying that BS bru?
    Ka Moswane 1/12/2009 2:50:33 PM
    I totally conquer Mr.Tshepo. It's worrying what the new ANC represents and the directions we are all headed towards! It's even more difficult bcoz there's zilch any1 one of us can do - we all have to wait in VAIN and hope for the best election outcomes in 2009! Thanx once again for an interesting & thought provoking reading material. Keep it up and HAPPY BIRTHDAY once more!!!!
    Houston 1/12/2009 2:50:57 PM
    Boet, lay off the western cape tik!
    Sinudeity@Gmail.com 1/12/2009 2:52:29 PM
    "And we shall see service delivery". After 14 years?! I dont believe you.
    Azonic 1/12/2009 2:52:50 PM
    You must be stupid. "I wouldn't attend rallies of parties I do not support, come free food or transport". Do you think the ANC bussed in DA supporters? No, they bussed in ANC supporters. Let the DA or Cope buss in their own supporters from other areas and you'll also see a full stadium. Jeez, did you attend school? Probably an OBE school.
    Stryker 1/12/2009 2:53:54 PM
    I fully agree that no other party could muster the support the ANC can - what that shows however is just how dumb the majority of South Africans are - sad but true. One positive for 2009 thus far is the fact that Zuma, the animal that he is, is one step closer to the cage in which he belongs. Viva Justice Viva!!!!!
    Filemon 1/12/2009 2:55:36 PM
    with free transport, free T-shirts and Social Grants and a free Circus show? More people pay R450 to watch the Springboks!
    nthatuwa 1/12/2009 2:56:19 PM
    Our bleak fufure.A PRESIDENT WHO WONT HAVE TIME FOR US.HE'LL BE TOO BUSY GOING IN & OUT OF COURT FOR LEGAL BATTLES.HE WONT HAVE TIME THOUGH TO FIGHT AGAINST HIV/AIDS,POVERTY,POOR HEALTH SERVICES & OUR COLLUPSING EDUCATION SYSTEM.EVERYONE IN HIS GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE FREEDON TO DO AS THEY PLEASE.HELLO CORRUPTION PART 2-IN ITS EXTREME.
    Sinudeity@Gmail.com 1/12/2009 2:57:01 PM
    People who's votes can be won over with a loaf of bread. That is so sad, and disgusting. Why dont you sell your souls to the devil for a litre of milk, while were at it?
    Point Blank 1/12/2009 2:57:43 PM
    We've been saying that for 15 years and we STILL waiting for serive delivery. Every elcetion the ANC promise service delivery, in fact it adorns their election posters and yet we STILL wait for service delivery.... come on you acting like a puppet now, a tap at the bottom of the road is not a better life for all!!
    general 1/12/2009 2:58:24 PM
    I was responding to Tshepo's introduction "No political party in South Africa today can muster such a large an enthusiastic crowd in the near future except the ANC itself".
    nthatuwa 1/12/2009 2:58:53 PM
    Our bleak fufure.A PRESIDENT WHO WONT HAVE TIME FOR US.HE'LL BE TOO BUSY GOING IN & OUT OF COURT FOR LEGAL BATTLES.HE WONT HAVE TIME THOUGH TO FIGHT AGAINST HIV/AIDS,POVERTY,POOR HEALTH SERVICES & OUR COLLUPSING EDUCATION SYSTEM.EVERYONE IN HIS GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE THE FREEDON TO DO AS THEY PLEASE.HELLO CORRUPTION PART 2-IN ITS EXTREME.doom
    Ginney 1/12/2009 2:59:21 PM
    What annoys me about any political rally - is that it is coming out of the tax payers money. I don't want to buy t shirts for ANC supporters. I want my money to go on schools, roads, hospitals and deliveries.
    Point Blank 1/12/2009 2:59:30 PM
    South Africa's top business economists have all agreed. There is no money for what the ANC promise to do, not even in the three year rolling budget. The cost of the ANC promises will be in the thousands of millions, in the current financial climate where the hell is the ANC going to get this money? Of course that is if they intend on deliverying on those promises.
    gc 1/12/2009 3:00:04 PM
    Thanks for explaining the manifesto. With all your listed achievement, one still has a lingering question. What is the source of so much discontent against ANC?
    Leprechaun (T.E.) 1/12/2009 3:02:02 PM
    Is that my tax money pays for the transport of non-tax payers, which form the greatest part of the ANC support base. Doesn't that make anyone feel a little bitter?
    Gary 1/12/2009 3:05:13 PM
    SO they packed a stadium? SO what? If that is their claim to fame, then we're in another crappy term under ANC rule. You can can only lie to the country for so long before they all get gatvol.
    Mncedisi 1/12/2009 3:07:33 PM
    My ANC!My VISION!My FUTURE!! Together we can do more. Vote ANC!
    Mark V 1/12/2009 3:09:01 PM
    Spot on! Now I can go home - had my laugh for the day!
    theDriver 1/12/2009 3:09:37 PM
    I must say that's a creative email address right there however you thought wrong that polygamy is only practiced by Zwelithini & King mswati, it is practised in most places around the world, even in the first world countries. Go ahead and "pounce" on Rosina, Polina, Koketso, Dimakatso, Mapule et al.
    Get Real 1/12/2009 3:10:37 PM
    Magnificent article. I truly though in the beginning that it is another ANC pro article, but you have balanced it well. Zuma is up for trial again, so the circus will sart all over again. The question now is, Will they be able to fight corruption if their president is an accused?? I just pray that the ANC is dethroned!
    Thukzy 1/12/2009 3:10:47 PM
    Mugabe too , still can feel a stadium with supporters. Get the point...
    Shrek 1/12/2009 3:12:04 PM
    The ANC will probably win the elections & with COSATU/SACP will change the economic policies to suit COSATU. They can change all the policies they want, if investors don't like it, they will simply take their money & invest it elsewhere. The policies will mean nothing if there isn't any jobs!! With investment comes more jobs, which in turn generates taxes for government.
    Thembisile 1/12/2009 3:12:12 PM
    however i feel sorry for the masses, who are desperate to eat and have a decent place to live in, support for anc is there and it is a blind support nothing else.
    Luzuko 1/12/2009 3:13:21 PM
    My question to you is, what ANC supports? E.C people have longed been deprived of entertainment (That was ANC Strategy #1 for their manifesto). I guess as much as the people were there for the ANC, many more were looking forward to free entertainment by the Joburg artists (Manifesto?s line-up performance) while also being transported free of charge by trains and busses. One can imagine why Brenda Fassie alone used to fill-up stadiums while charging an entrance fee, now imagine free entertainment and a complementary transport, WOOW! No wonder the youth filled the stadia more than anyone else, now we are led to believe the ANC has support in the Eastern Cape, come 2009 elections you?ll really be shocked. I therefore disagree with you, with R100 million, any political party can muster such a large an enthusiastic crowd.
    samsam 1/12/2009 3:13:51 PM
    people were killing the snake. hey guys tell us what happened on the same day in durban how many people turned up , they claim to have 16 000 in kzn but 600 turned up, country wide they claim 496 000 , is maths still a difficult subject in SA
    Amazed 1/12/2009 3:14:06 PM
    Of course the ANC packs stadiums, why on earth would anyone doubt that. The ANC has the majority of support and will have for at least the next two decades. Remember the way African politics works is that you keep the voters dumb (obe), keep them desperate (SA) and keep them scared of the possibility of so called anti revolutionaries (sound familiar). Seems logical doesnt it? Pity it usualy ends badly for all but the bosses. Refer Zimbabwe and beyond.
    slabs 1/12/2009 3:14:09 PM
    Everyone had a valpre water and a king pie. Seems odd that poor people in the eastern cape would buy water or maybe that was part of the deal.Free transport, food and drinks. The people have nothing beter to do so they went for an all paid outing for the day and as long as its for free they will be there.SA is the handout capital of the world.
    Sonny 1/12/2009 3:14:37 PM
    Hey Houston, the boet is actually a chick! Strange but true.
    Stryder 1/12/2009 3:16:19 PM
    They did turn out and droves and look at the chaos that ensued. Yup the ANC is nothing more that it's supporters, uneductaed, uncivilised and law breaking.
    nthatuwa 1/12/2009 3:16:30 PM
    Uncontrollable they were mr. Matjila.& that is how they'll remain.I wonder what will Zuma do there.It seems he'll have his hands full.Dodging charges & trying to discipline unrully supporters & members.What will the world say then.I'm slowly considering leaving the country,& I'm strongly against it.What's a girl to do in this chaotic state?
    Johnyboy 1/12/2009 3:19:25 PM
    I fully agree with the writer. It takes a great movement with vision to break down basic foundations like health, education, policing within 2 decades.
    Welile 1/12/2009 3:21:58 PM
    from which Zuma and the circus is building on. You say they are shaking any ties with Mbeki with the manifesto. Your understanding of things is limited to hatred and arrogance. We SA know that Mbeki's tenure is the reason why the circus can boast a far reaching manifesto. He did all the ground work and they are enjoying the fruits. It's a pity we are talking about politicians here-cannot find honest talk. No one can admit it. They will lose expected high govt positions should they do so.
    nthatuwa 1/12/2009 3:24:19 PM
    Uncontrollable they were mr. Matjila.& that is how they'll remain.I wonder what will Zuma do there.It seems he'll have his hands full.Dodging charges & trying to discipline unrully supporters & members.What will the world say then.I'm slowly considering leaving the country,& I'm strongly against it.What's a girl to do in this chaotic state?
    Anon 1/12/2009 3:24:24 PM
    Well no other party has so many unemployed-getting-grants-and-empty-promises supporters. The rest of us work and pay taxes for the ANC to just give away without thinking. But I must admit I agree with all that you said especially the paragraph about the "A culture of dependency..." I believe that is this country's biggest downfall. The ANC is creating a culture of getting something for nothing.. never a good idea.
    jb 1/12/2009 3:25:06 PM
    dont tell me you are going to belief the bull they are promising this time. One should learn from one mistakes.
    Rian 1/12/2009 3:27:14 PM
    I fear that eventually the ANC will promise farms to stay in power. Like Bob did when he ran out of money for grants. Education and family planning are what this country needs.
    realist4sa 1/12/2009 3:27:16 PM
    I don't support any political party. Does that mean I don't need to pay tax? hahahahaha
    M 1/12/2009 3:28:23 PM
    revolutionaries or those that think along those lines (aka Cape Town Kid) and those that receive the freebies. I wouldn't be there because I am not a revolutionary and I haven't received any advantage from all my tax money,no freebies nothing. But the ANC knows that those that receive grants are a huge percentage they keep touting this to the people. But it creates a dependency because now we all WANT a house&free water/electricity &a sense of entitlement is growing amongst all population groups
    Michelle 1/12/2009 3:28:36 PM
    just no result afterwards......people are gullable,the poor people will still go to bed with empty tummies and ho roof over there heads while the current fatcats will struggle to get out of there luxury cars and still have the poor people believing there lies. How about making a change, first fufill your promises and then lets vote.......otherwise boycott.
    Smanga Zulu 1/12/2009 3:28:48 PM
    If I am stupid, you must be the dumbest individual here! DA or Cope would NEVER fill a stadium. Maybe halls, not stadiums. Just to make an example... Cope had a gathering in KZN, and it had to be moved from King Zwelithini Stadium to a nearby hall because a disappointing 600 people came through... ANC will march to victory in the elections. Don't like it? Well, go jump!
    zue 1/12/2009 3:30:43 PM
    it gives me goose bumps knowing that the party who gave me the freedom to put my cross on a ballot paper is still as BIG as the one i fought all my life for,ANC u will not b able to COPE with the huge support comrades,was in EL and loved it all ...viva ANC viva...Terror best u retire and get the hell out of politics because u goin to make your name SHAME!
    JAQUE 1/12/2009 3:32:49 PM
    thank God we not following the American history concept....look at the shit the Americans are in. ANC u rock
    Mzi 1/12/2009 3:33:22 PM
    It was just curiosity to hear the same old story... Once again the ANC fails to realise that youth are tired of handouts and lame job creation, we want opportunities. Give us the resources and mentors not grants. In 10yrs south africa would spent more than 10 billion on social services only. now, if you take that money and support all street hawkers and spaza shops how many families gain independence instead of this handouts.
    M 1/12/2009 3:35:36 PM
    ... until the cash cow dies and people like you have to pay for those dreams. Yup, then you will become all angry that you now have to pay for those "lazy buggers". You still haven't figured out that 5 million tax payers can't pay for 35 million people. It's just ludicrous. But nowbody cares until the cash cow dies.
    Cape Town Kid 1/12/2009 3:35:43 PM
    Tik is the most destructive drug on the Cape Flats.There are many families who are suffering under this scourge.In fact crime,murder and rapes are perpetrated by those under the influence.There are many mothers who are at their wit ends suffering untold damage. There are grandparents who shud be enjoying their twilite yrs but they are also suffering under this demon called TIK. So stop insulting our mothers,grandparents,hungry children and NGO's who are at the receiving end of this monster!
    Smanga Zulu 1/12/2009 3:36:36 PM
    I choose the ANC because of what it has done for me and many others like me who grew up under very very poor circumstances. I went to a public school, which I must say was exceptional. I got a loan from the ANC government to finish my degree at university which has been payed back in full. Now I have a stable job as an executive! ANC worked for me... I vote ANC. You can vote for whomever you want and toss your vote away. Good luck mate!
    M 1/12/2009 3:38:22 PM
    Sorry, those supporters (DA/UDM/ID/COPE etc) are all too busy working to pay taxes that the ANC wants to blow. If that rally was held on a Wednesday the ANC would still have had so many people attending, bcos those are the people that sit at home getting grants & have all the time in the world.
    Smanga Zulu 1/12/2009 3:39:05 PM
    ANC is basking under this free publicity... There is no such thing as bad publicity and we just love it when people hate us!
    Stryker 1/12/2009 3:39:10 PM
    U going to make your name shame? lol Viva education viva - yeah you keep voting for them ostrich.
    thug immortal 1/12/2009 3:39:14 PM
    well balanced article,fact is the only new in the SA political landscape is the ANC.The failures of the past 10 years have broken away & re-branded themselves.Viva Khongolose
    Point Blank 1/12/2009 3:39:23 PM
    Any local Super 14 match will fill the stadiums, any local soccer game will fill the stadiums. Get my drift, think entertainment, free transport a bottle of water and a pie with local musicians, hell yeah will make for a good day out. We used to the ANC bussing in people and claiming support, their tactics have not changed much since 1988.
    Landos 1/12/2009 3:39:46 PM
    Zimbabwe was once highly regarded prior to demise of socialism in the West. Substantial gains were made in education and health. However in 1991, Zim adopted IMF led, Economic Structural Adjustment Program (ESAP). While pleasing for investors, the real wages in the country plunged by a third, forcing the people to spend a greater percentage of their income on food and manufactoring output fell by 40% by 1995. If that sounds like GEAR, maybe those who say we are heading the Zim direction are right
    Giva 1/12/2009 3:39:53 PM
    I think that your balanced article is flying over a few heads that are not reading it to the end in a sober state. For example, Meshack. I think that after reading the part about ANC having unshaken support, he thought that the whole article was praising the ANC. I am also sceptical of the "RDP" type of manifesto. I don't believe that it will be more succesful than GEAR.
    thug immortal 1/12/2009 3:41:29 PM
    well balanced article,fact is the only new in the SA political landscape is the ANC.The failures of the past 10 years have broken away & re-branded themselves.Viva Khongolose
    Joe 1/12/2009 3:42:06 PM
    It is said to read all your comments. It just shows how South Africa is divided. But we should not turn against each other just to please our leaders. Change is good and having strong opposition in the country will ensure that politicians deliver on their mandate. But things like floor crossings will always undermine our democracy. Please people, stop acting like the Malema's of today. Let common sense prevail in all instances.
    Duzi 1/12/2009 3:44:04 PM
    Dude, you are virtually the only ANC supporter who's comments I can appreciate. You do very well to admit faults and for the ANC's sake, I truely hope that they do better in the future... but my problem is that most of you fellow supporters here will rather make excuses than accept fault and try move on. We learn from our mistakes and improve... but according to the like of Zuma, CT Boytjie and his cronies, the ANC is a 'God like' organization that is never and has never been at fault.
    realist4sa 1/12/2009 3:46:15 PM
    True my friend. I would like to see more writers like yourself with the reasoning skills displayed above. The fact is that people has been drawn into so much politics that they have made themselves so vulnerable to politics and falsehood. Fortunately this will/can become a past tense as education becomes more widespread and people become more aware of their environment. Of course, politics will also change and make sure it stays the medium for interaction between the people and government.
    CuriousT 1/12/2009 3:46:26 PM
    I would also pack a stadium to that capacity, if I was giving away free t-shirts and caps. Anything for free attracts the masses especially when they have got nothing from the ANC, now they have the perfect opportunity to actually get something for MAHALA from the people who have let them down.
    M 1/12/2009 3:46:52 PM
    And exactly what does a full stadium prove? How many people are unemployed? How many people are desperate? How many people will vote the ANC into power over and over again, until they get that small house? It's like playing the lottery, one day I will be rich, or so lots of poor people think.I rather work my bum off to get a house than to wait&you know what? I'm GETTING there with all the %@%$#@ ANC has given me!
    Tribalzone 1/12/2009 3:48:08 PM
    I started reading your article thinking "oh boy, here we go again" but by the end it made for a very good read. well done. My only worry is if all these leftist ideas get delivered as the only way they can deliver on those promises is higher income tax - chasing away the investors is the quickest way to higher unemployent...
    Jim 1/12/2009 3:48:34 PM
    Strange how immediately after the previous elections the people in Orange Farms were burning the houses of their newly elected ANC councillors because of a total lack of service delivery. A situation that probably still remains true today. Look to the management of Cape Town to see service delivery. And that is not withstanding all Rasool and his pals' attempts to hijack the city council - against the will of the voters.
    ANC Member 1/12/2009 3:48:36 PM
    Lekota Crippled QWA QWA in Free State while he was a Premier and he continued to fail the SANDF, i watched him yesterday at night on SABC2 he was a Joke. i have confidence on ANC 75 % of the student at colleges and Universities are having NFSA's, numbers of black middle class is now rocketing high, we even produced black Millionaires. I LOVE ANC, Viva ANC Viva, Sonke so votela ANC
    Musa 1/12/2009 3:48:41 PM
    It is so interesting to see so many people trying so hard to discredit the ANC, the people on the ground no the truth hence their attendance of ANC Rallies. You can entice the journalists,the SABC and all media houses but the people know the truth.The ANC is the real congress of the people.We will concentrate on meeting the needs of the people and you can continue insulting us and calling S Africans stupid but the people know who their leaders.Viva ANC!Forward to a Peoples Government
    Michelle 1/12/2009 3:51:54 PM
    Andrew Buchas filled a stadium that had more people than the ANC...come on people.
    Brandon 1/12/2009 3:57:08 PM
    ... also fills stadiums. Not so sure I want Steve Hofmeyr for president though. Try again.
    Baseline 1/12/2009 4:00:54 PM
    Some people are ok when they do not speak. Otherwise they prove to be idiots when they open their pit. The sooner you leave the better. SA can do without idiots like you we have enough of them.
    Wildfire 1/12/2009 4:01:52 PM
    You guys seem relatively educated. Do something good and positive for your country. Forget the past and concentrate on the future. Go see the DA policies , change your thinking and go educate the millions that don't know any better. Go and make the difference which is necessary - that which cannot be done by the ANC.
    Mike 1/12/2009 4:01:55 PM
    Simple economice lecture for you, and im going to keep this simple. Government has to pay out grants. Grants come from tax money. You kill the "capitalist" structures you kill off wealth. You kill off wealth you don't get tax money. You dont get tax money you cant pay grants. Understand?
    Busta 1/12/2009 4:03:33 PM
    Are you really that stupid? I have been following your comments and I keep wondering if you're normal.
    Azonic 1/12/2009 4:07:44 PM
    Oh my. So all that is important is how many people fill stadiums (aka, receive free bread for attending). When is service delivery and a non-corrupt government going to start being important to you people? Oh wait wait, I guess the ANC is going to get it right this time, ne? Just like they say before each and every "eleksheen". You are a gullible fool - do you know pigs can fly?
    Joe 1/12/2009 4:08:18 PM
    The African National Communist Party (ANC)(Zumalema Party)is a failure.Their failures include: dirty water, power cuts, poor education, neglected health services, bad/poor service deliveries, corruption, bribes, potholes and tax money to Robber Mugabe. Only the uninformed and uneducated masses will still vote for them. They misuse the votes of the poor to stay in power..! Viva Cope..!
    Sinudeity@Gmail.com 1/12/2009 4:09:48 PM
    Wasn't Hellen Zille arrested for demonstrating outside a drug dealers home? The same police that are loyal to the ANC? What has the ANC done about Tik in the Western Cape? Shit, the ANC in WCape couldn't even register for the elections. Similiar mismanagement all over the country.
    Peter Maluleke 1/12/2009 4:11:40 PM
    As Zanu-pf led Zimbabwe to poverty and made Robert supoer rich the same will happen here. The massas will not listen for reason as they long basic income money promised by government. No one on this earth will work if you feed and cloth them. Who will be doing the work as in zimbabwe. They lived on their free farms slaughtering the animals for meat and use the harvets until finished. then went back to the city to receive more. Someone must be able to keep on supply. Who will it be. Vote DA.
    Sinudeity@Gmail.com 1/12/2009 4:16:44 PM
    The ANC wants to uplift the wage 'earner' by punishing the wage payer. We have too many people earning grants. Too many school girls getting pregnant. We have a bill of rights, but no bill of responsibilities. Responsibility to educate yourself, to honour your fellow man, to not rob, and murder. To not steal. Too many freedoms, but no responsibilities.
    M 1/12/2009 4:20:13 PM
    So now that you have become an executive with big bucks, do you still worry about the beggar next to the road (remember ANC is for all of us, rich or poor) or are you one of them tinted glass luxury sedan drivers that almost drive over them when you leave a shopping mall on your way to your luxury estate,just cos you don't want to have to worry about them anymore,outa sight outa mind?
    Francois 1/12/2009 4:22:02 PM
    The AWB only has 1 clown that falls from a horse. The ANC has hundreds of them to entertain us everyday. The main clown being JZ in his shower and then in court. Hopefully we'll also see him in an "orange" clown suite.
    M 1/12/2009 4:23:14 PM
    The ANC in the WC were too busy dealing Tik than you register on time. The ANC made sure that we now have more drug traffickers in SA than we had pre- Apartheid!And they are now so powerful that the cops wouldn't touch them. So Cape Town Kid,if you want to get rid of the poison,vote for someone with BALLS (i.e. not Zuma who can't even pay for his kids tuition)
    Jay 1/12/2009 4:25:10 PM
    Like it or not Msholozi "The so called unlearned" will govern the the Intellectuals, Viva ANC, VIVA
    M 1/12/2009 4:28:05 PM
    I doubt the people on the ground know the truth (most of them aren't even educated&couldnt spot a "shark" out to take their last Rand). I think they are just clinging to the hope that one day the ANC will actually deliver them houses and electricity & water, all for free, because it doesn't need to make sense to them where the money should come from, as long as some man (Zuma) (who knows it all) can guide them. It's so sad to see such blind faith.I however like to think for myself
    Jayzee 1/12/2009 4:30:10 PM
    I think you are mad. I rather vote for the IFP than vote for the DA.
    M 1/12/2009 4:31:21 PM
    You assume too much about our CTK here. First of all you assume she understands logic and how an economy works (she only knows communism/socialism). I doubt this kid even knows that one needs to put money into a bank account in order to draw it from an ATM. She assumes we all get these amazing cards that just give and give and give and give and give ....(thats if you are a capitalistic swine with a card)
    Swapie 1/12/2009 5:05:16 PM
    and stay hungry, poor and infected with HIV. At least you are free....
    Francois 1/12/2009 5:40:32 PM
    "will govern the the Intellectuals" LOL the the the get the hell out of town man!
    Tabile 1/12/2009 5:44:33 PM
    When your Mr Zuma is questioned about Mbeki credibility as South African, he is quick to mention that the policies Mbeki implemented were not Mbeki's personal policies but ANC policies as a collective.

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