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Open letter to Arthur Turner

2008-07-10 08:14

Arthur Turner wrote a column for Sport24 on June 17 entitled "Hansie deserves closure". Click here to read the column.

Tim Noakes responds...

Dear Arthur,

Just to let you know that I did read the column you wrote for Sport24. In my opinion what you wrote is defamatory. After speaking to a number of people, my wife especially, I decided not to take the matter further with a lawyer because I think most reasonable people will realise that what you wrote reveals much more about your personal failings than about mine. You have made this point very effectively; you do not need any legal assistance to confirm it.

However there are a couple of points that you should know. First, you do not know me. I think you have greeted me at the Newlands cricket ground on about two occasions. Thus your opinion of me is entirely based on hearsay. This would be easy to prove in court.

Second, your letter indicates that you did not even view the BBC documentary. Thus you do not know if I also praised the late Mr Cronje in the documentary. You were very unwise to make such disparaging comments about me without even viewing the BBC programme. In addition, the only comment I made in the documentary that made it into the print media was that Mr Cronje was a "masterful manipulator". As I recall this was the one clear finding of the King Commission. Thus I was only repeating what is common knowledge.

Third, I do not take every opportunity to attack the late Mr Cronje. The last time I spoke about Mr Cronje was at Bob Woolmer's memorial service. In my speech I said that Bob had helped Mr Cronje to be "the best captain he could be". At the time of Bob Woolmer's death my opinions about Mr Cronje were sensationalized by You magazine. The writer of that article will confirm that I tried to stop the magazine publishing what eventually appeared. While I agreed with its content, I did not wish it to be written in the way it was. Unfortunately my pleas could not remove everything I found offensive.

Fourth, your facts about my involvement with South African cricket are incomplete. I served as the chairperson of the (inaugural) United Cricket Board (UCB) Medical Committee from 1996 until 2000 and was one of the three main organisers of the very successful Second World Conference on Science and Medicine in Cricket held in Cape Town at the time of the 2003 Cricket World Cup. This event was supported by the UCB and the International Cricket Board. For none of these activities did I receive any compensation for my time and effort. I performed these tasks, including serving with the Proteas team in the 1996 Cricket World Cup in Asia, in the hope that my contributions would help South African cricket become the best in the world.

If your opinion is more widely shared by other cricket administrators in South Africa, then clearly my efforts were wasted. I do note however that when Bob Woolmer and I were the most actively involved with the national team between 1996 and the end of 1997 (whereafter both our influences became progressively less), the Proteas had a superior one- and five-day Test record than did Australia. Since that time the Australians have achieved a position of total dominance of five-day Test cricket and only for a brief time have the Proteas enjoyed a superior one-day record than the Australians.

But the point is that perhaps you should have more honest about the extent of my involvement with SA cricket. And perhaps the reasons why that involvement was finally terminated.

Fifth, I was the person who suggested in 1996 to Bob Woolmer that he should write his coaching book. Without my inspiration and support including financial help to employ an editor to work with both Bob and myself, the book would likely not ever have happened. This book, Bob Woolmer's Art and Science of Cricket, to be released next month is by far the most complete cricket coaching book ever written anywhere in the world and a fitting tribute to the genius that was Bob Woolmer. Neither Bob Woolmer (especially) nor I was ever allowed to make the contribution to South African cricket that (this book proves) we might have. My hope is that his book will advance South African cricket in the future in ways that Bob Woolmer was actively prevented from doing during his life.

Sixth, my stand against Mr Cronje has nothing to do with opportunism and everything to do with principle. If I was opportunistic I would follow the popular opinion and join all those in the praise of the late Mr Cronje. That would be easy and would spare me the ire of many including apparently the UCB. But I cannot do that and be true to myself. I observed a side of Mr Cronje that was either hidden from most South Africans including yourself or else it is a side that few South Africans seem prepared to acknowledge. (To my knowledge the rest of the cricketing world sees Mr Cronje rather more plainly - for both his strengths and weaknesses). But it is always easier to ignore that which is painful. I could say much more on this topic but over the years I have learned that sometimes it is wiser to keep your own council. Especially when it comes to matters touching on the dark side of world cricket.

Seventh, the outstanding problem with your letter, besides its defamatory nature, is that you have fallen for the common trap of blaming the messenger because you don't like the message. This is always the easier option. But one inescapable reality, as acknowledged in the BBC documentary even by those who were some of Mr Cronje's most ardent supporters, is that the South African public's enthusiasm for cricket was severely damaged by the allegations against Mr Cronje. Perhaps the parlous financial state of some of the South African cricketing provinces (of which you probably have personal knowledge since you ran Western Province cricket for a time) can be linked to Mr Cronje's actions. The point is that strong leadership appropriately applied after the end of the 1999 Cricket World Cup, in which Mr Cronje's performances were not of the required standard, would have prevented what subsequently happened. Firm leadership would have saved South African cricket from its subsequent shame.

Unfortunately placing the blame on me cannot reverse the avoidable tragedy that befell South African cricket as a result of that failure.

Should you ever wish to discuss these views in person with me please don't hesitate to contact me. You know where I work.

I wish you well in your new career wherever it may take you,

Sincerely,

Tim Noakes

  • Professor Tim Noakes is the co-founder of the Sports Science Institute of South Africa based in Cape Town.

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    Ken 7/10/2008 8:42:29 AM
    Youn are a master at what you do and for for people to criticise you is totally over the top. Thanks to you I ended up running and finishing 10 Comrades. It is usually people like this person who sucks things from his thumb and crisitises. Take no notice Tim and keep up the excellent good work. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
    MTB-fanatic 7/10/2008 8:56:58 AM
    That Tim Noakes has resisted the impulse to take legal action or malign the one whose attack is unwarranted and unfounded, serves only to confirm his integrity. His response is considered and level-headed, typical of his personal, public and scientific style. I am sure he is not perfect, but his contribution to science and sporting achievement in South Africa and the world is unequalled. Go Tim!
    johnnoh 7/10/2008 9:01:10 AM
    Great letter Dr N. As a scientist I am sure that you have an objective view of most topics regarding sport. As for Mr. Turner's opinion, he above all should understand the damage done to SA cricket by the actions Mr Cronje. Provincial cricket is in a state with low attendance at matches, mediocre performances and the dire financial position of unions.Bums on seats boys!Rather they go after the big money of TV rights and corporate boxes at stadiums.Just look at the state of Newlands. Iy
    Mitch 7/10/2008 9:01:31 AM
    It's quite clear to me who the fool is in this "feud". What is it they say about idiots, something like don't argue with them because they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. You go Tim.
    Lihle 7/10/2008 9:02:46 AM
    A mature response by a mature person. Turner's tirade is not worth the stress, time and energy of going to court. This letter alone should suffice to dispose of his weak attempt at turning a blind eye to the shameful past of SA cricket.
    Burger 7/10/2008 9:05:06 AM
    Bravo Prof Tim Noakes for being a person of integrity and standing up for what you feel and know to be right.
    Neil 7/10/2008 9:05:11 AM
    Tim Noakes sure can waffle on and on
    Burger 7/10/2008 9:05:15 AM
    Bravo Prof Tim Noakes for being a person of integrity and standing up for what you feel and know to be right.
    Snoopy 7/10/2008 9:05:22 AM
    Good for you Dr Noakes. Yes, Hansie Cronje was a "masterful manipulator" but got away with his "hero" status. I went to the same school as Hansie, Grey College in Bloemfontein, and whilst I am proud of that fact I cannot condone, and still cannot believe, that the school made such a HERO out of him. What they did, and what happens continuosly in society these days, is to say "you can be a crook, but because you are such a status symbol, it is okay"
    Gail 7/10/2008 9:05:25 AM
    Have to agree that Turner's opinion is often a tad emotional and subjective. Also agree that public support for SA Cricket was substantially damaged by the Cronje affair. From a personal point of view, I have not been able to rake up the same passion and enthusiasm for cricket in general and SA cricket in particular post Cronje. Good luck with helping to bring Bob Woolmers pure legacy to fruition.
    FairisFair 7/10/2008 9:06:18 AM
    I will be one of the first people to acknowledge that I do not like to hear negative things about my hero. But this open letter of yours makes one think and realise that maybe I was a tad prejudiced. I'm glad you wrote this letter and salute you for your straitforwardness.
    Ed 7/10/2008 9:10:46 AM
    Agree with Arthur - can't everyone just leave Hansie alone!!!!!!! Tim - leave the lawyers and stick to the treadmills mate...
    Tuffy 7/10/2008 9:15:09 AM
    Disappointing, the fact that Noakes decided to publish this open letter. I read Turner's "attack" which was deplorable but I hoped Noakes was secure enough not to respond. Noakes should remember that no matter what contribution he made or still plans to make, it does not entitle him to an opinion any more important or relevant than anybody else's. Noakes always seems to have something to say about everything; if you put yourself in the line of fire you can expect to be shot at.
    Chris 7/10/2008 9:15:49 AM
    It is with great sadness that I followed the BBC saga of Hansie from the beginning and your subsequent comment Prof Noakes, which you now try to justify. The English are and always have been undiluted shits and I think we should distance ourselves from them as they always try to shaft you. As a family we were devastated when the news broke about Hansie and we rightfully condemmed him, but in the same breath we ask what happened to hundreds, if not thousands, who stole millions from us.
    Cricketfan 7/10/2008 9:22:07 AM
    Who the hell is Arthur Turner anyway? Nothing compared to Noakes. Be that as it may, Tim, if you say it is about principle, take what is 'defamatory' and make a point of Turner. Otherwise it makes you look like you are just whinging, which I know you're not. Bear in mind, the majority of people in SA soak up everyword of the YOU magazine, and thus cannot be referred to as 'reasonable' people. They believe 100% what they read because it 'must be true'. Perception is reality for these people.
    bob 7/10/2008 9:25:55 AM
    You would not be able to take him to court because then The Cronje family have would hall you over the coals. Tim you sound very bitter about ths affair are you sure your hands are clean. Further more - do me a favour keep your opinions about Hansie to yourself - your personal vendetta against MR Cronje has no warrant to vented in public or on the BBC or anywhere. Yes hansie disgraced himself, family, friends, supporters, ICC, UCB and the game of cricket. Leave it now
    Nick 7/10/2008 9:34:21 AM
    What a ridiculous comment from Tuffy! Prof Noakes is secure enough to respond in this mature manner. He could have gone to a lawyer, but decided to sort this matter out in public.
    Johnno 7/10/2008 9:43:11 AM
    Well spoken, Tim. You have exhibited remarkable restraint in the face of this buffoon's defamatory assault on your character & integrity. Turner's ramblings on cricket are inane, tedious and trite. I recall hearing scathing criticism of his abilities as an administrator many years ago, at the time when he was involved with Free State cricket. Turner's opinions can safely be ignored. [By the way, as one who has read your "Lore of Running" from cover to cover, I look forward to the new book.]
    Koos 7/10/2008 9:49:16 AM
    Can somebody please correct me if I am wrong. If I understand it correctly, what Hansie did was to con bookmakers by taking their money. That's it, he (and those in the team that he "manipulated") never went through with his promises to them.
    Jurgens Engelbrecht 7/10/2008 9:51:08 AM
    Prof Noakes Thank you for taking the time to put the record straight. I am a big follower of cricket and believe you me, there are only a few books that are not in my collection. In most of them the name Prof Noakes seem to pop up on more than one occasion. That just showed the amount f time and effort you have put into the game and not only into cricket. Thus Mr Auther really does not know what he is talking about and shoot from the hip which can be very dangerous. I wish to thank you for all you have done for SA sport, time spend away from family and the endless hours in your office. Keep it up. Mr Auther can only wish that in his second life he can have a tenth of your knowledge and integrity and he will be a better person.
    David 7/10/2008 9:52:25 AM
    There are always differences in views around emotive issues, however, if one is willing to take the time (and one is brave enough) to try and establish the facts I suggest you buy and read a book called "Caught Out" which shows how mired in illegal activities cricket is, from the ICC level. There is no doubt that Hansie was a cheat and dishonest individual. We should condemn his actions (and, by extension, the UCB who knowingly allowed him to continue).
    Chap 7/10/2008 9:57:11 AM
    Very diplomatic Tim, not sure i would have been quite so restrained. My take is still very much based on the surmise that a man's legacy is based on his actions, and as such Hansie was a cheat (and a fairly ordinary middle order bat towards the end of his career - although with hindsight these could be linked...) I certainly don't expect a documentary on Hitler to focus on his positive personality traits, (i'm not saying there were any, this is just an example) this isn't why he is remembered
    Saurus 7/10/2008 9:59:38 AM
    As one of the many (I assume) who only saw what was going on from what was in the media, this debate is captivating. Most of all, I'd like to know more about why you believe that you and Bob Woolmer were prevented from making the full contributions you were prepared to and could have made to South African cricket.
    Johann 7/10/2008 9:59:47 AM
    After reading this wll written letter, I am confused as to why someone so educated and professional would get involved in a BBC slander about Hansie. Seems to me that Arthur was onto something, he definitely hit a nerve.
    Martin 7/10/2008 10:03:41 AM
    Well put, Tim. You are of course correct. One small error. When you say "I have learned that sometimes it is wiser to keep your own council" you mean counsel. I bat for Tim.
    Johann 7/10/2008 10:04:38 AM
    ...especially BTB-Fanatic (2nd from top). Why paise this guy's letter for his gramattical equilence, when the matter at hand is the way he assisted an overseas media gaint to slander one of SA's heroes? As far as I am concerned he should burn at the stake.
    Michael John 7/10/2008 10:12:23 AM
    Tim was a "team member" and has first-hand knowledge of the Hansie we all idolized. He has been circumspect in what he has divulged and had an opinion long before Hansie's dark side was exposed. The later Hansie era had a negative impact on cricket in general and more specifically on Bob Woolmer and Graham Ford. The latter, built on Bob's achievements and would have taken the SA team to even greater heights, if it were not for Hansie and his allowed dominance in SA cricket.
    Tuffy 7/10/2008 10:17:04 AM
    Perhaps; we are all entitled to opinions as I said. Noakes' letter reads like it was written by a third grader; perhaps he should have had it edited before it was published. The point I made is if you get involved in mud-slinging you can expect some to stick to you. Noakes could have ignored Turner's article altogether and that would have proved his total disregard for comments made by a person mostly regarded as a windbag and poser. Noakes now offered the media a storm in a teacup...
    Pietskiet 7/10/2008 10:18:06 AM
    Even though I still regard Hansie as a brilliant cricketer, what he did reverberated in the cricket world up to this day. I can only assume the BBC commentary was a typical English contribution to investigate and sensationalise a South African 'failure' however famous and objective the BBC seem to be, but still biased (probably because its so nice to beat a hero with a stick). Maybe I am simplistic, I don't really care. I find the BBC doc a bit belated really. Tim however is a great man. RIP Hans
    vanniekaap 7/10/2008 10:20:08 AM
    Hansie was no hero - and that is a fact! He played excellent cricket, was a good captain, but then he was also a crook! Blaming the devil was seemingly enough for a lot of people to forgive him - mostly white afrikaners- might I add. Next we will hear someone spotted him in Pretoia playing cricket with Elvis!!
    Ivan 7/10/2008 10:38:01 AM
    Let the whole damn thing rest I say. Hansie's crime was being caught. Without trying to defend his actions it is quite clear that Hansie was one of many doing the same thing. What about the Australians who were protected by their cricket authorities for years? I am a little disappointed in the BBC which is the last organ in the mainstream media I would have expected to resurrect this type of thing. And Mr. Noakes you sound a tad self-righteous to me.
    Tuffy 7/10/2008 10:41:41 AM
    Perhaps; we are all entitled to opinions as I said. Noakes' letter reads like it was written by a third grader; perhaps he should have had it edited before it was published. The point I made is if you get involved in mud-slinging you can expect some to stick to you. Noakes could have ignored Turner's article altogether and that would have proved his total disregard for comments made by a person mostly regarded as a windbag and poser. Noakes now offered the media a storm in a teacup...
    cdb 7/10/2008 10:53:28 AM
    i suggest you all watch the documentary (esp you mr turner)the real issue here is what is happening in the world of cricket. hansie was not an isolated incident, he just makes a good story for the bbc. the true star of the show was mr aronstam, the leather jacket bookie. his honesty was great, he was like a window into the dark side of the cricket industry.
    L Savage 7/10/2008 10:53:36 AM
    Some people don't understand the idea of principles. Hansie was one of them. By lying in front of the King commission (at a time he was putting up the whole "I am truly sorry" act), he showed his true colours and demonstrated that all his actions were only in his self interest. Hansie's great talent was his incredible charm, which gave him an amazing ability to influence people. He used this talent to achieve great results for his team. But deep down he was rotten to the core. He cared about money, fame and glory. In short he cared about himself. His teammates, SA cricket and the fans were merely things to be manipulated so that he could get what he wanted. Hansie's flaw was not that he cheated. It was that he lacked integrity.
    xcal 7/10/2008 10:54:11 AM
    :-) I'm still working on the comrades, but your teaching has helped me run my 4 21km's including this years 2 Oceans. I'm definitely gonna get that cricket book for my son!!!
    L Savage 7/10/2008 11:01:51 AM
    is all the comments on AT's original article by people who believe that deep down Hansie was still inherently "good" because he "came clean". If I was naive and believed that, I too would view Hansie as a tragic hero. Unfortunately I do not. Hansie never told the truth. He did his absolute best to give up as little info as possible. As such he remains in my view a villain.
    niels 7/10/2008 11:12:58 AM
    I have had the privilege of listening to a talk given by Tim Noakes. The strong impression that was left with me is that he is a man of integrity. As for mr Turner; Nobody who has anything to do with any form of Cricket Administration in the last ten years can carry an opinion that is worth much weight. Well done to the Professor for choosing not to seek legal retribution.
    Poepol 7/10/2008 11:23:06 AM
    Bla-bla-bla. Like someone said above, you have an opinion about everything, and sure can rant on and on. This was the most boring, self centered letter trying to justify a small prick and an ego that tries to make up for it. Get over yourself and handle critisism like a man.
    Vundla 7/10/2008 11:40:13 AM
    Legal action bladihbladihblaaah. If Dr Noakes left out the childish "legal action" comments at the start, and also refrained from the extremely arrogant last sentence "good luck with your career...etc.), then I would have considered this a well written response. Arguably not the best idea to slug it out in the media though, but it helps with the self-profiling. The man knows how to play the media, and is extremely arrogant. Notwithstanding, he's a very capable scientist and in many respects pioneer in his field.
    L Savage 7/10/2008 11:45:04 AM
    Ok - so a lot of folks here take offense that the British BBC attacked a South African hero, and by inference, the whole of SA. SA as a whole only becomes vulnerable to such an attack because so many of us choose to stand by a proven liar and cheat. If we do not wish to be associated with those characteristics as a nation, maybe it is time we distanced ourselves from people like Hansie. By choosing to maintain his hero status, we compromise our integrity. The same applies to our politicians who remain buddies with their corrupt peers.
    clifton 7/10/2008 11:47:24 AM
    Viva Dr Tim , your track record speak for itself. For Arthur im not so sure ...... Case closed! Next .........
    cornea 7/10/2008 11:53:35 AM
    I wonder. He manipulated bookies, gave them team selections, etc but as far as I know he had a very good winning rate. He also got worse off than other international cricketers (Shane Warne, Mark Waugh) that were involved with bookies. Unfortunately Hansie's not here to defend himself. Wonder how the movie will be. So, to those people moaning about the crook, I hope that we have in future many captains that can better he's winning performances.
    eks 7/10/2008 11:57:00 AM
    Mr. Noakes, you're letter portrays a man that seeks attention and praise, you love self praise. Love to be in the news don't you? Hansie damaged cricket in SA in particular but we have forgiven him not forgetting what he did -and it still hurts. We meaning , I suppose, mostly white Afrikaans speakers and African people. I went to the world cup in the West Indies and they often wanted to hear about Hansie, their hero. so no he is not only loved by a small community. Long live Hansie!
    eks 7/10/2008 12:00:47 PM
    16 times Man of the Match - took Kallis 2 years after Hansie stopped playing to surpass that, winning record better than Smith making him SA's most successful capatain ever. Be balanced and give credit to this heritage and remember him not only for that black day in SA cricket history - suppose thats asking too much from the "holier than though" subordinates of the crown that still resides in SA. mostly in Gautng and the East coast of SA
    Mark T 7/10/2008 12:13:51 PM
    Prof Noakes may be a brilliant sports scientist, there is no dispute there. I get the idea though, that he is a celebrity sports scientist who does not shy away from the media spotlight. In this case, maybe he should concentrate on the here an now. Cronje did wrong, he knew it and the world knew it. He was trying to get back on track when he died. Nobody is perfect. However, he is now dead and perhaps we should let him rest in peace. Learn from his mistakes, but stop tarnishing his memory.
    Roelfie 7/10/2008 12:29:43 PM
    Blaming Cronje for the zero attendances at provincial cricket is BS. It's a phenomenon of the times we live in. How many turn up to watch county cricket?
    John 7/10/2008 1:25:30 PM
    One FACT is in-escapeable. Hansie was a lie and a cheat. period. The rest is fluff. There can be no redemption. Nothing. And his family dare not retort, as they are living well off those ill gotten gains. Tim Carry on the fantastic work.
    Vernon 7/10/2008 2:46:10 PM
    Hey john, You sound like you knew Hansie personally and the family too oh and you sound a tad bit self righteous too...

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