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'Alien life' may be found on Earth

2011-11-01 12:40

Cape Town - Finding life beyond Earth may be related to clues about whether life has more than origin here on Earth, an expert has said.

Professor Paul Davies said that during his long career, scientists have gradually come to accept that life may exist elsewhere in the universe.

In 2005, he took up the chair of the Seti (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence): Post-Detection Science and Technology Taskgroup of the International Academy of Astronautics.

He said speculation that finding many planets means that life is abundant in the universe is flawed.

"Maybe we like the idea of the universe teaming with life, I do. How can we test it? If we don't know what the mechanism of life's origin was, is there any other way we can test short of finding ET?"

Evidence

According to Davies, the way to test whether life could originate in the universe was to test to see whether different forms of life originated on Earth.

"If life pops up readily in Earth-like conditions, surely it should have started many times right here on Earth. Because after all, no planet is more Earth-like than Earth," he said.

Recently, the journal Cosmology published findings from Nasa scientist Richard Hoover that evidence for microbes was found in a meteorite.

Nasa distanced itself from the findings and they remain contentious in the scientific community.

"All known life on Earth is descended from a common ancestor. We're all on the same tree. But we don't know all life on Earth.

"Almost all life on Earth is microbial... and in the microbial realm only a tiny tiny fraction of these organisms have been characterised, let alone cultured or sequenced," Davies said.

He added that current technology allowed for screening of life as we know it, but would have difficulty when presented with life as we don't know it.

'Shadow biosphere'

"When you talk to molecular biologists, they decide on identification procedures that are customised to life as we know it.

"If we're talking about a different form of life, with a different biochemistry and a different biology - a different tree of life altogether with a separate origin, starting from scratch independently, we don't know what to look for; the customised tests won't work."

Davies, who is a proponent of panspermia - the theory that life is distributed widely in the universe and via impacts with comets or meteors - said that alien life forms may possibly be found on Earth.

"There could be some shadow biosphere on Earth - I say aliens under our noses. The term 'alien' has been subtly redefined because of this.

"You may not think of alien as necessarily being from space, though it may be. Our life may have come from space. There's a case that life may well have started on Mars and come here with material ejected from Mars via comet impact.

"The question is: Are there any aliens under our noses or even in our noses? How would we know? The truth is that we don't know."

Alien life


Many scientists are searching for alternative life forms on Earth and despite finding a variety of organisms that defy convention, experts have yet to find a life form that can truly be described as "alien".

If researchers were able to find a unique form of life, it would lend credibility to the idea that the universe is teaming with life, said Davies, who has an asteroid, 6870 Pauldavies, named after him.

"If we just found one microbe, one single representative sample... that was so different from known life, it could not possibly have had a common origin, that would establish that life does arise readily and therefore will surely arise on Earth-like planets all around the universe.

"Because it would be remarkable if among all the Earth-like planets in the universe, life would have started twice on one, and not on all the others."

Davies, a professor at Arizona State University, has had a career in theoretical physics, cosmology and astrobiology, and has authored several books, from The Physics of Time Asymmetry in 1974 to, most recently, The Eerie Silence.


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Comments
  • Fred - 2011-11-01 12:51

    Who is the uneducated moron? He is looking in the wrong places. The Universe is a 6000 year old barren, lifeless collection of pretty lights. Everyone knows that everything is descended from Adam and Eve.

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 13:00

      Good Troll. :)

      Guy - 2011-11-01 13:08

      Troll fail

      bernardhill412 - 2011-11-01 13:17

      Lol you have got to be kidding me, 6000 year old barren, lifeless collection of pretty lights. Dinosaur bones are older than our galaxy? Please, please, PLEASE do not comment on a subject you have absolutely NO clue about. And besides the Universe is so massive, you can't even begin to comprehend the sise of it. To put it into perspective, there are more planets out there than there are sand granules on this planet, and you really think that 1 planet out of an unimaginable amount of planets have life and none other? Makes me think, why so many planets then? Actually surprised you don’t believe the earth is flat and you will fall off the edge into oblivion.

      Burtfred - 2011-11-01 13:19

      Hey Freddie - not "everyone knows that everything is descended from Adam and Eve", as you suggest. I didn't know that, but now I do. Thanks for enlightening me.

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 13:22

      Am I the only one that can read the sarcasm in Fred's comment? :)

      Samantha - 2011-11-01 13:32

      lol, u are kidding right?- u have heard of the dinosaurs??????????

      werner.smidt - 2011-11-01 13:44

      You should ask yourself why Fred's not blushing at the thumb downs . . .then proceed to turn scarlet :D

      birkettN - 2011-11-01 13:47

      @bernarhill thats assuming carbon dating is correct which it isnt. not saying i believe in either theory. im open minded to all possibilities.

      Jack - 2011-11-01 13:57

      The scary fact is that at present 16 people believe this to be true.....hmmm, perhaps the government should subsidies the Discovery and National Geographic channels so that people can actually be shown the light of evolution!! Religion has done little in the way of peace, only division.

      Samantha - 2011-11-01 14:54

      @ Jack, I know a few christians who don't believe the dinosaurs existed, the one girl told me it all a hoax (shock)!!!!-

      ian.d.samson - 2011-11-01 14:57

      everyone except the Evolutionists, those idiots who say things "evolved" from a different life-form. "Alien Life" can be found in every country on the planet, in every city, every town, just go look. It's there alright!

      njabulo.nxele - 2011-11-01 15:01

      Stop being so naive Fred, do you honestly think earth is the only place where life exists in this huge universe that we don't even know how big it is

      bernardhill412 - 2011-11-01 15:01

      @birkettN – True, I can’t argue with the accuracy of carbon dating, it gives you an estimate timeframe, when we are talking of a few hundred million years, what is a million year or two? But let’s put the carbon dating aside. If you look at the different eras: Cambrian, Ordovician, Silurian, Devonian, Carboniferous, Permian, (Mesozoic Era) Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous Period, the Cambrian period had critter like life forms (Bug like life forms) and the Cretaceous had massive walking dinosaurs. For all 9 eras to exist in about 6000 years is impossible, even a million years does not seem viable, so then you have to ask the question, does 570 mil years sound so farfetched to host 9 eras of different life forms and that excludes the homosapien era that’s been there for a little while.

      Ben - 2011-11-01 15:07

      Troll method to obvious...more subtle next time. But good try..

      Ben - 2011-11-01 15:11

      Nevermind. See you got lots o fish that bit. Well done.Subtleness obviously not needed with these morons..

      JMan - 2011-11-01 15:38

      Its really sad (and funny) to read some of the "comments" here...but mostly sad.

      Clive - 2011-11-01 16:31

      I can’t believe so many people cannot see the blatant sarcasm in Fred's words. He is not arguing for Creation myth of the Bible but pointing out how ludicrous it is.

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-01 16:43

      Malema is an alien, from the planet ANCYL and Zuma is his CREATOR. That's an Alien and he has come to take over the world and wipe out the human race.

      mpiyakhe.dhlamini - 2011-11-01 17:38

      god is truly powerful,the only known being to defy scientific evidence.now that's power

      Jeff - 2011-11-01 20:42

      Fred on druuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugs.

      Zion - 2011-11-02 08:37

      When I read utter garbage like this then I realise that "advanced" life is not so intelligent after all. I have done much reading , in the past, on works of Paul Davies. This guy stands far above us "normal" mortals. Fred I suggest you rather keep quiet than display your lack of intelligence. Away with this 6000yr garbage.

      SpearTheMighty - 2011-11-02 09:12

      It seems like most people have the mental capacity to bring forth arguments against Fred and his 6 000 year old theory, but very few have the capacity to see that he was taking the mickey out of you.

      mihaip007 - 2011-11-02 10:33

      The easiest way to check if the universe IS 6000 years is using common science...! Two tools will enable us to do that! First is the red-shift in light spectrum and second is the time measurements..! When we send a craft to Mars, the time delay is accepted to be approx 15minutes to send an instruction to the craft that orbits Mars. Using light speed formulae we can test for the distance, speed of ligt, and time delays which work hand in hand..! Now that we know for a FACT that the speed of light IS correct, and we tae into consideration red-shift of a star and we apply the formulae to that we can come to a rough estimate of the distance to a star. When we find stars that fall within a distance of let's say 100,000 light-years (the distance light travels in one year at the speed of light) then we have proven the FACT that the Universe is by far older (as old as 15Billionn years and still counting as we go about discovering ever farther objects)..! What makes these people BELIEVE that the earth is only 6000 years, is the blind belief that by INTERPRETING the Bible verses and the dates that are shown there, they can calculate a correct date of the age of everything (from the Genesis to now)..! Oh yeah they must not forget that there has been another roughly 2000 years from the death of Jesus till now that are NOT included in the bible. ALSO they must not forget all the other bible books that have so conveniently ommitted by early Christian Church. Apply your gray matter ppl

      John - 2011-11-02 10:40

      was life not started by the ANCYL they were everywhere before anybody else,maybe they should put a claim in now to be direct decendents of this alternative alien life form, heaven forbid we dont want arguments later

      Boeretroos - 2011-11-02 16:10

      There are definately real aliens on earth - Julius and his kind. They are the dark force ! Originating from the planet - Iwant.

      skootzie - 2011-11-03 14:17

      @Gerhard : Apparently you are the only one, and me now :P lol - Sarcasm *is* difficult to pass across text after all :P

      jogesig - 2011-11-16 15:24

      Obvious troll is obvious, please do not feed the trolls.

      Victor - 2011-11-26 19:45

      Troll!!!

      Robert - 2011-11-26 21:31

      "RIGHT SAID FRED " .....SORRY FREDDY YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK ...BYE !!!!

      John - 2011-12-21 00:59

      Yes, The Space Aliens are here is South Africa, disguised has humans, and are killing lots of People. They call themselves TAXI DRIVERS!

      John - 2011-12-21 01:16

      Lets apply some brains: Probability! Creation 50%, No Creation 50% ( God , No God 50 / 50 ) Now lets look at evolution ( There is only 1 evolution, a Mitsubishi! ) You have to count all the steps between 1 cell, and today's human body. I actually don't know, 1 million? 1 billion? But each step forward happens at random, so each step has to succeed, spread, become common, to catch the next step somewhere else. Another million? Billion? The environment has to be supportive of the change, each step of the way, Another million, or billion? Probability of evolution: either 1 in ( 1 million x 1 million x 1 million ) or 1 in ( 1 billion x 1 billion x 1 billion ). You have to be daft or deceived NOT to believe in Creation. Long words wrapped themselves around your brain cells nodes and they do not spark anymore...you need Saint Laurenzo's oil, olive oil, the light of truth, the Spirit of God!

  • Alfred - 2011-11-01 13:11

    There are plenty ET's. Just come to SA and have a look around.

      werner.smidt - 2011-11-01 14:58

      Actually . . we only had one ET . . and he was murdered..then discovered with his pants down.

      JMan - 2011-11-01 15:39

      Still...he was discovered...

  • janinedunlop - 2011-11-01 13:13

    teeming. teeming. Not teaming.

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2011-11-01 19:01

      Perhaps it is teaming!!! Perhaps the aliens are bringing a football, rubgy or cricket team to earth... hey, maybe they'll bring 2... then we can get double-teamed ;-)

      CapeChappy - 2011-11-02 10:19

      And then pretty soon we'd have to have equal representation and have 2 aliens in the Springboks..

  • gerritcoe - 2011-11-01 13:15

    So freddie my boy, you say that adam and eve were the first. Right? So then they had kids. Right? Then adam and eve's kids had kids. Right? Then they kids had kids and so on untill its mention further in the bible that the people from the heaven thought that the earthlings looked good and came down and had intercourse with them. Right? Then out of these were born a giant race. Right? So my question to you is. Are we hillbillys cross angels/aliens? Please shed light upon my star!

      Fred - 2011-11-01 14:10

      Here is a tip. Do a search for the meaning of the words "irony" and "sarcasm". OK?

      dylanswanie - 2011-11-02 09:29

      so then we are all inbred?

      mihaip007 - 2011-11-02 10:40

      But fred - sarcasm works hand in hand with a facial expression! We cannot see that from your comment LOL What is funny is that you ARE right - many people believe this theory of the 6000 years... and it is very sad because it is very similar to people believing that the earth is flat and not round. In this day of age??? wow! Anyway good sarcastic comment ;)

      Victor - 2011-11-26 19:47

      Fred sarcasm: The use of irony to mock or convey contempt irony: The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect troll: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument Nah, still a troll!

  • Clarissa - 2011-11-01 13:19

    NOW I know why I am so different! GO ET

  • jeremy.schaffner1 - 2011-11-01 13:27

    Hullo? Nothing new here. One only has to look at all those rap artists to realise that there are plenty of aliens amongst us, and they are all making a huge contribution to medical science. They are proof positive that people can walk and talk although very little or no brain activity can be detected at all. A truly amazing phenomenum - definitely alien.

      VaMbozha - 2011-11-01 13:45

      maybe you are the alien who descended on this earth that was full of rap artists with very little or no brain. So go back to Jupiter and oh please take with you Vanilla Ice and Eminem.

      Bernard - 2011-11-01 13:50

      Personally I think the Kardashians are are almost irrefutable evidence of aliens living among us.

  • Joe-Moer - 2011-11-01 13:35

    Was Adam & Eve black or white?

      Meryl - 2011-11-01 13:43

      You decide ...... they walked around naked, worked in the garden didn't have bellybuttons, stole the fruit and lied to the Boss

      VaMbozha - 2011-11-01 13:51

      @Meryl so Adam must have been black and Eve white

      Cy - 2011-11-01 13:55

      none of the two

      Burtfred - 2011-11-01 14:03

      But Meryl, my gardener has a bellybutton, but he does do the rest of the stuff you mentioned.

      Meryl - 2011-11-01 14:28

      @VaMbozha, Adam ignored the direct command, and Eve plucked the fruit from the tree. Eve told the first ever lie, telling the serpent that God told them not to touch the tree... nope, all He said was not to eat the fruit from The Tree. @Burtfred.. hmmmmm you decide. I just opened the can.

      Jack - 2011-11-01 15:39

      @Meryl....lol...you really crack me up. Funniest come-back i've read today.

      Vastar - 2011-11-01 22:14

      Adam did not know too much becasue when he saw eve naked for the first time he said: Whhooo Eve..STAND BACK...I don't know how big this thing gets!

      Kala - 2011-11-03 11:51

      They were white. Blacks are scared of snakes.

      Grant - 2011-11-17 20:21

      //Was Adam & Eve black or white?// Neither, they were imaginary.

  • Andrew - 2011-11-01 13:58

    Is this another article about Julius again?

  • Fred - 2011-11-01 14:05

    @gerhard.nel Seems only you and me

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-01 14:10

      It was the "lifeless collection of pretty lights" that gave it away. :)

      JMan - 2011-11-01 15:47

      It was the whole (ridiculous) statement that gave it away for me.... nobody could seriously still believe this..and be taken seriously...;)

  • Chrono - 2011-11-01 14:16

    I'm reading Bill Bryson's "A short history of nearly everything for the third time" because its so interesting (and my memory is no good). Previously it was thought that life cannot exist in temperatures warmer than, say 50 degrees C, until microbes were found in temperatures of over 100 degrees C in volcanic geysers. We simply can't predict where extraterrestrial life will be found and what forms it will be manifested in because we only know life forms on earth, all of which are actually very uniform. If life can only be supported by (a) oxygen at (b) certain temperatures (that we accept as not too much warmer than say 100 degrees C) then panspermia seems a bit far fetched. The life carried in rocks etc from another planet will have to travel in an oxygen free environment (space) for a very long period at temperatures that cannot support life, i.e. the rock will be released by some cataclysmic event associated with tremendous heat and then transported through space at below zero degrees.

      Dmitri - 2011-11-01 14:29

      50C. Try groing to the mid East. 52C and counting!!! Back to ET, has anyone seen my ex?

      devin.corney - 2011-11-01 14:48

      Chrono - I don't think it is meant that "living organisms" were transported via meteors through space, but rather the "raw materials" - the building blocks for life could very well have been trapped within the rock of the meteor. Once landed on earth, they could could have taken millions of years to evolve into various life forms, but the point is that the origins of those life forms (the initial building blocks) were not from this planet. It then stands to reason that if conditions were, or are suitable on the planet of origin (or any other planet that meteors from the original planet collided with for that matter) could very well have also evolved life. Once the "blueprints" for life are in place, then evolution takes over. The most basic definition of evolution is something along the lines of, a sequence of events in which a species changes to advance it's form and survival rates, based on the environment in which it finds itself. From this I would then deduce that any life on any other planet, would be considerable differently evolved than anything on Earth, as a result of the different environment on said planet. A very interesting topic indeed.

      Chrono - 2011-11-02 11:01

      @devin.corney, that is not how I understand Davies but your point makes great sense. I think your high negative count comes from my christian brothers and sisters who would not want to see evolution and God "excluded" from the picture. To them I want to say that I am a devout christian who firmly believes in God's as the Creator of everything. I am convinced that one of nature's laws, established by God, is called evolution.

      Travis - 2011-11-03 10:18

      @Devin and Chrono Nice to see some rational people in the world.

  • David - 2011-11-01 14:46

    Point them towards Malema....

  • Maria - 2011-11-01 14:53

    Adam and Eve ??? Ha-ha-ha.... I believed in father xmas and was devestated when I realised he was all but a story. You are so right Jack religion just causes division and wars. It is there to put fear into people to keep some peace on earth. We are all taught from a young age to believe.... in God (our creator ???) One day we will find out that we originated from another planet in the universe. No-one ever comes back from the dead to tell us otherwise ????

      Gary - 2011-11-01 16:49

      Maria, your assumptions on the effects of religion are only one sided. Many of todays aid organisations are as a result of good comming from the Bible. In fact i find it amasing that the source of good morals is found in a book that many write off as being irrelevent. People have come back from the dead, I guess you need to do some research on this. Look for a movie called The Lazarus factor.

      Ben - 2011-11-01 17:48

      Pretty sure I had morals before I read that book...

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2011-11-01 19:05

      I'm with Ben... I'm pretty sure I have morals too... and I have hardly even read that book... except bits about stoning homosexuals and adulterers to death, sacrificing defenceless animals and ones own children as well...

      Gary - 2011-11-02 08:28

      Ben and Gary. I did not say that you did not have morals I said that the SOURCE of good morals is found in the Bible. Ben you admit that you have hardly read the Bible and yet you talk about sacrifices of children and animals. As you will probably not resaerch these topics let me give you a brief enlightenment. The sacrifice of children was done to appease idols and was condemned by God. The sacrifice of animals started when sin was first committed.i.e. God made a covering of skin to hide Adam and Eve's nakedness. This was the first mention of death. The sacrifice of animals is no longer nescessary beacuse Christ was crucified, died, buried and rose from the dead. Please remember that if words in the Bible are taken in isolation then misunderstanding will result. You will need to read the passages before and after the text in ord to find the correct context. This principle will apply to any written work.

      Lanfear - 2011-11-03 08:20

      @ GLY - the bible is NOT the source of human morality! Whatever gave you that idea? "god made a covering of skin"? Hmm, maybe we've read different bibles but I'm pretty sure that in the original fairy tale, Adam and Eve already had skin and started wearing clothes to hide their nakedness.

      Marius - 2011-11-03 09:48

      GLY, if you want to reduce religion to charity then you are on a extremely dangerous place. Hamas and Hezbollah is also know for their charitable work. The biggest charity organizations on this planet and the biggest philanthropists of our time is secular and NOT religious. But I guess since you believe all good come from god or the bible, you thought the church is the only do-gooders in this world. Nothing could be further from the truth. People have come back from the dead?? Really? I could have sworn I saw my dead auntie the other night, but it could also have been to much wino. If you derive your morals from the bible, you are in trouble.

      GLY - 2011-11-03 15:07

      antithesis Please tell me why I am in trouble if I derive my morals from the Bible?

      GLY - 2011-11-03 15:38

      @lanfear Gen 3.21 states "Then the LORD God made clothes out of animal skins for the man and his wife." Guess that yyou haven't read your Bible in a while. The principles of morality are recorded in Exodus. People can deny this all that thye want but the concepts of good morals are there.

      Grant - 2011-11-17 20:19

      //Pretty sure I had morals before I read that book...// AS did hundreds of civilisations thousands of years before drunken messopotamians wrote it.

  • Brian - 2011-11-01 15:02

    The artical should of read,"Is there any humans to be found between all the aliens on earth".

  • Ben - 2011-11-01 15:25

    We're on 1 small planet of 8, in 1 star system out of a 100 billion star systems, in 1 galaxy out of a 100 billion galaxies...so far..... Don't tell me nowhere is a planet not going to be the right distance from a star and have the right conditions for life. Might not be the same as us and might still be in the beginning phase , still bacteria... But you can be damn sure there will be.

      JMan - 2011-11-01 15:44

      Oh no Ben...you are being totally rational and realistic here...NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! You will (apparently) "burn in hell for eternity" for being an infidel and what-not.

      Travis - 2011-11-01 23:42

      Nice! Thats the way I see it! The sheer number of planets suggest that there has to be at least 1 planet that could support life other than earth, however there also has to be the coinciding oddsthat life has somehow landed on that planet....but there is still a chance. Intelligent life....ish the odds decrease even more...but still. Meryl still funnier though.

      Bart - 2011-11-03 09:20

      there are 8 planets, pluto got demoted, i wonder what that does to the theories based on all 9 planets, does tha now throw of star signs and such. are u people mad, the aliens have been here before, and they left after thaey saw what human kind is like, warmongering killers. did u not whatch transformers. it explained the whole story there. also there was a aline sighting in OFS yesteday and one on monday night in the usa, american football game, cardinals v st louis i think.

  • brendan.beech - 2011-11-01 15:40

    as Calvin said to Hobbes: "Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."

      Ouklip - 2011-11-01 17:31

      The days are packed

  • tristan.kilian - 2011-11-01 15:40

    What if we are the beginning of life in the universe. Think on that one... It has to start somewhere...

      Ben - 2011-11-01 16:09

      I hear ya, but a lot of galaxies and stars we can see is older than our's... a lot older. So it'll be odd if it started here..

      JMan - 2011-11-01 16:20

      Might have started here...might not have...sure as hell gonna end here..if we carry on like this...

  • Cynthia - 2011-11-01 16:01

    What a scary thought!

      Karmah - 2011-11-02 10:57

      Don't be scared =) If it wasn't for the unknown we would all still be living in caves, eating raw meat off animals we hunted with stones ;)

  • Hennie - 2011-11-01 16:22

    Okay, so Paul Davies would love to find a second form of life on earth (even if not alien) because that would improve the chances of alien life somewhere else in the universe. His wish sounds reasonable seeing that he accepts evolution by natural means only. But since a second form of life has not been found, the origin of life issue still points overwhelmingly to a Creator God -- One with infinite intelligence. Thanks Paul.

      John - 2011-11-01 17:15

      Timmah!

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2011-11-01 18:58

      hmmm... not a very logical argument really... just because you cannot prove one thing true, doesn't mean that it proves an alternative... i.e. it's like saying, this piece of fruit is not an apple, therefor it must be a banana... besides from this, even if their is a creator god, it's not very likely it is the god described by ANY of the abrahamic religions... it is just as likely that the Hindu or Roman are the real god/s (which is not very likely at all)

      bryanmpeters - 2011-11-01 19:44

      Well, Hennie, Paul Davies would probably agree with you somewhat since he is, in fact, a proponent of Intelligent Design. I, on the other hand...

      Phoenix - 2011-11-01 22:06

      For a moment considering that you are correct about your God: Surely if God is that amazing He could have made MANY life forms all over the universe. Why on earth do you think that only one lifeform relates to an intelligent God and many doesn't??? And Clive you are 100% spot-on with your analogy. Wow the arrogance of comments like Hennies always astounds me.

      JMan - 2011-11-02 14:27

      "Overwhelmingly"? Sorry to burst your bubble there Hennie, but the facts pointing towards the god theory is anything BUT overwhelming to say the least.

      Hennie - 2011-11-02 15:36

      The overwhelming argument for a Creator God regarding the origin of life comes for example from the extreme complexity of the very first (according to the evolution hypothesis) living cell, including its very complex DNA code. Such code cannot originate from matter -- it required a very intelligent mind.

      Marius - 2011-11-03 09:33

      Hennie, the irreducable complexity and the overwhelming complexity arguments made by creationist, ID proponents and religious folk is extremely weak and requires an massive leap of faith to get to a intelligent designer. You also then find yourself on the slippery slope and infinite regress of "who-created-the-creator" The chemical building blocks of life and syntetic life has already been recreated by science. http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form You give me the distinct impression of someone who's complete scientific field of reference comes from creationist and intelligent design forums and websites, and who has not familiarized himself with the arguments againts his position.

      Hennie - 2011-11-03 10:29

      Craig Venter's work is only confirming the fact that high intelligence is needed to create first life. How many years have he and his team been working on this, requiring lots of their own intelligence? And they are still basically just doing copying of existing life with certain modifications. No natural process could have produced the first life. The basic law that life comes only from life is still as valid as ever.

      JMan - 2011-11-03 10:32

      Ja nee Hennie sorry, but that "Such code cannot originate from matter -- it required a very intelligent mind." statement is just not true.

      AntiThesis - 2011-11-03 10:32

      Hennie did you also read the article about RNA, or did you conveniently choose to ignore it?

      Erich - 2011-11-03 12:53

      @ hennie Please go read "the grand design" by prof stephen hawkins hennie, where he proves that a supernatural being was not responsible for life or the universe

      Hennie - 2011-11-03 15:00

      Erich is actually referring to Stephen Hawking, not Hawkins. Hawking proposes a theory of multiverses, but this is not scientific since they can’t be observed. His M-theory isn’t supported by a shred of experimental evidence. So Hawking definitely does not prove the non-existence of a supernatural Creator at all.

      Hennie - 2011-11-03 15:58

      JMan, that DNA code needed an originator to exist, Paul Davies admitted as follows: ‘We now know that the secret of life lies not with the chemical ingredients as such, but with the logical structure and organisational arrangement of the molecules. … Like a supercomputer, life is an information processing system. … It is the software of the living cell that is the real mystery, not the hardware.’ But where did it come from? Davies framed the question and the answer this way: ‘How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software? … Nobody knows …’.

      AntiThesis - 2011-11-04 09:57

      Argg, my comments keep disappearing!!

      Grant - 2011-11-17 20:17

      //JMan, that DNA code needed an originator to exist, Paul Davies admitted as follows// Maybe if Paul Davies proved it to the level that Craig Venter is proving that RNA self assembles then maybe he has a point. Until then its an opinion. In addition, everything, and I do mean everything, that we know about our universe (planet included) has a natural explanation. Just because something is complex doesn't mean you can invoke your god. Maybe if you actually had evidence you could, but you don't.

  • somacaulay - 2011-11-01 18:00

    Too many what if's in this article make it fantasy.

  • Diran - 2011-11-01 18:08

    We are living evidence that life exist in the universe,We are all different, humans, animals, mammals, birds, insects, plants, trees etc... But we share one common thing we are living breathing organisms.

  • Travis - 2011-11-02 00:26

    "Penetrating so many secrets, we cease to beleive in the unknowable" HL Menken

  • Gungets - 2011-11-02 07:44

    The only proof we have that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us earthlings. If they are there, they would have flown on by.

      Yanga - 2011-11-26 13:22

      Or they coulda just decided to blend in with us, after altering our DNA and making us their little minions for the last 200 000 years... And because we're so easily led astray and impossible to put on the right path, we make a great species for control and enslavement... You'd be surprised what's going on around us... Stranger than fiction... And one is absolutely better off not believing it... Ignorance is bliss..!

  • Brent - 2011-11-02 07:57

    Everything is still based in theory and shooting down each others theories wont result in a truthfull answer. So far all the theories that we have has major holes in them...

      Fred - 2011-11-03 08:49

      Like the theory of gravity????????? Think again and find out what is meant by "scientific theory'.

  • Damian - 2011-11-02 08:27

    What a joke, people believing that there are aliens. If there were aliens why aren't they looking for us? I would think that if we looking for them and they looking for us we will meet them half way. There are nine planets in our galaxy, why doesn't any of them have aliens...The only aliens I know are the idiots that live on the planet called earth...Open minded my behind. You telling me for all these years (more than 2000 years) we never found one alien and vice verse, now you telling me that they under our nose or in our nose (people 3rd Rock from the sun is a TV program, it's not real, sorry to burst your bubble).

      Travis - 2011-11-02 09:02

      Are you saying that there isn't bacteria living in space somewhere? "Alien" doesn't necessarily refer to intelligent life, I pretty sure it refers to organisms not of earth....just saying. No bubble has yet been burst. You need to be slightly open minded, not push or take your own opinion as fact. This is not to say that there is little green men flying around in spaceships, but I honestly believe there are other forms of life(intelligent or not) elsewhere in the universe. Otherwise we are forging the "fact" that God exists and put us on the planet, which is also a story told by man, and as we know...man is certainly flawed, this is a belief, not fact.

      Travis - 2011-11-02 09:33

      Please explain the thumbs down? I take it you took offense because you are either religious, or you have drawn your own conclusions as fact.

      Travis - 2011-11-02 10:58

      I give up, everyone formulate their own beliefs, but I find it very naive to accept what you think to be true as fact. I just think when people hear the word "alien" they think of the bug eyed little men that abduct cattle and people to do experiments. It seems people have a distorted view of my opinion....or the bible bashers are just thumbs downing cause I question the credibility and integrity of religion.

      Phoenix - 2011-11-02 11:33

      Holy crap Damian can anyone be that uneducated?

      JMan - 2011-11-02 14:33

      @ Damien - "There are nine planets in our galaxy, why doesn't any of them have aliens".. thats (part of) your argument? - Do you even know what these planets consist of? Because if you did, you would know the answer...as the rest of us do... And "You telling me for all these years (more than 2000 years) we never found one alien and vice verse [...]" - 2000 years? No Aliens? By that conclusion I would No God either.... haven't found/seen one either. So based on your arguments....the jokes' on you...

  • mboetzkes - 2011-11-02 09:27

    Blah Blah Blah - The age old argument between evolutionist and creationist - sooooo boring... *yawn - Get a new topic - Believe what you want to believe and leave the others to their beliefs.

  • Frank - 2011-11-02 10:35

    Why do South Africans have such an obsession with the age of the earth? Whether it's 6000years or 4billion years old really doesn't matter.

      Amresh - 2011-11-02 12:53

      it does matter....then there can be some actual evidence of who the land that is being grabbed actually belongs to.

      Marius - 2011-11-03 09:08

      Ya Frank, what does anything matter really? Its all incoherent information overload, is it not? Luckily we have a whole fraternity of people on this planet who does care about small little insignificant details and the truth.

  • Melanie - 2011-11-02 11:16

    cool... if they find aliens...can i have one too?

  • Stroopwafel - 2011-11-02 11:22

    If aliens were advanced enough to travel the universe, I don't think they would be interested in contacting a simple underdeveloped race such as humans. We haven't even explored most of our own planet, let alone our solar system. What will the point be? They would learn absolutely nothing from us, in comparison to their own knowledge base. So why even make the effort?

  • devin.corney - 2011-11-02 11:36

    @Damian: Damian, your small-minded, microscopic perspective of life, the universe, and everything boggles beyond belief. 2000 Years? Are you insane? The Earth and our solar system are somewhere in the vicinity of 4.55 billion years old. Life could have evolved and become extinct thousands of times in that period. What's more, we are only speaking about OUR solar system here. The Universe itself is said to be somewhere in the region of 14 Billion years old (in case you can't comprehend that - 14 Million, Million years old). Your 2000 years are microscopically insignificant in that time period - not even a blink of an eye. The existence of modern man dates back to about 80 000 years ago. Even that, in the eye of the universe, is insignificant in the scale of things. We really are not that important and whether we survive for another million years, or become extinct tomorrow, will have ABSOLUTELY no effect on the universe at all. As for your opinion that we are the only life that has evolved in the entire universe - that is even more ridiculous than your perceptions of the time scale of things. To put things into perspective - Take EVERY single grain of sand on our planet (all sea sand, all soil, etc.), then you get the idea of how many stars exist in the universe. Now remember that each one of those stars is a sun, like ours, and has planets revolving around it (from 2 to 20). It is statistically IMPOSSIBLE that we are the only one to have evolved life on it. Open your mind!!!

      GLY - 2011-11-02 22:02

      I am really unable to accept a time frame of 14 billion years. Given that all of our modern time measurements are based upon 100 years of recorded observations. Prior to this there was no measurement. if for example you take the measurement of 1 meter accross the earth's surface. There is no measureable curve . Therefore if this is extrapolated over 1000 ki.ometers there is still no curve(because the 1st meter had no curve). Therefore the earth is flat. And this is based upon the extrapolation of modern scientific data. If however the data was measured over a greater distance sya 1o Kms then the earths curve can be measured. In the same way the method we use for the measurement of time are tooooooo small to accurately predict 14 billion years.

      Lanfear - 2011-11-03 08:09

      @ GLY - lol, and scientists "proved" that it should be theoretically impossible for a kangaroo to jump. It is a fallacy to take any theory or experiment in isolation.

      Marius - 2011-11-03 09:02

      GLY, sorry what? That is your argument?? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Did you come up with this notion all by yourself, or is there more brainpower behind your idea?

      coert.welman - 2011-11-21 13:40

      Devin, we are working with US billions. 14 billion years is equal to 14 thousand million years, not 14 million million years.

  • Keithste - 2011-11-02 12:15

    Beam me up Scotty!!

  • adrien.mcguire - 2011-11-02 18:18

    Do a sample of the ANCYL and you will find evidence "of organisms that defy convention". Proof of alien life is not far away.

  • Ufo - 2011-11-03 01:03

    Dum ass Fred, live dint evolve on Adam and Eve crap, it evolve all around the universe, The universe is big and this uneducated scientist is the same as you are uneducated person who believe on religion crap. Astronomers have found over 500 exo plnets in case you dont know Exo Plaets are Planets like earth and there are one that is call GLISE 581G and that one is on the golding lox zone. The Goldin Lox Zone Is the zone were the EARTH is not to far from the sun and not to close to it Get educated first and stop mixin religion believes nonsense with the truth.

      Erich - 2011-11-03 13:43

      its the goldilocks zone UFO, but your argument futher is sound. Called the goldilocks zone cause as in the 3 bears story its not to hot and not too cold

  • erma.mare - 2011-11-03 05:44

    Bernard. How do you date dinosaur bones? Please don't tell me carbon dating, because besides the fact that it is been proven not to work it is designed to date up to 50 000 years maximum. If you need to know how carbon dating works I am more than willing to explain it to you. But in the interest of keeping this short check your internet. Just for the record dinosaur bones are dated by the layer of soil they are found in and the layer of soil are dated by the dinosaur bones found in it. None of the dating methods are working and has been proven time and again over the years. You need the geological column for any dating to be done, and then it becomes circular reasoning as describe above. Your problem however is that no bones were found with a date stamped on it. The fact of the matter is that the only provable evidence found with dinosaur bones indicate that they were living with man and less than 10000 years ago, as they found soft tissue and most of the bones still indicate carbon and as mentioned before carbon dating can only measure up to 50000 - and is a stretch. So yes you can believe the facts or you can believe the evolution fairytale.

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2011-11-03 06:51

      Erma... do you really believe the nonsense you have just written? Do you really think highly educated, intelligent people would use a circular reference to date fossils? What possible motive would they have to perpertrate a lie like that? Do you think they do this to discredit your religion??? Do you even think they care about your religion?? You are quite correct stating that they do not use Carbon dating to date fossils that old because yes, carbon-14's half life IS about 50 000 years. But they do use potassium-argon and rubidium-strontium whose isotopes have a much longer half life. Judging by what you have written, I would say you have done some research into the matter, so either you do not understand what you read OR you are blatantly "lying for Jesus"

      Lanfear - 2011-11-03 08:06

      Well said Clive. The problem is the "lying for Jesus" crowd choose to believe a few pseudo-scientists and high school science teachers who are on a crusade to "prove" that the earth is 6000 years old, that Noah's flood [of the *whole world] happened, that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, that evolution is a big hoax, that fossils are "planted by the devil", and so forth. There are many of their dvds out there with all kinds of "evidence". And funny how they all know about carbon dating, but know little or nothing about the various other kinds of dating.

      Fred - 2011-11-03 08:55

      I find the the people like the erma.mare who spew anti-evolution nonsense are professional (I make my money peddling god myth) xians.

      Marius - 2011-11-03 08:56

      Lol ok erma, please explain to us how carbon dating works - please also elaborate why carbon dating might not even be applicable here. And also can you try to explain to us which radiometric dating method is used on what material, under what circumstance, and how these different methods(if there is more than one) is cross-referenced to provide an extremely accurate result. If you find yourself struggling with minute details, maybe read the following article, which was written with EXACTLY people like you in mind: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens2002.pdf You give me the distinct impression of someone who's complete scientific field of reference comes from creationist and intelligent design forums and websites.

      JMan - 2011-11-03 10:37

      @ erma: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Good one.

      Erich - 2011-11-03 13:56

      @erma....carbon dating is one of only 100's of methods used. The accuracy is derived by using combinations of all the dating techniques. So until you actually pass gr2...keep your comments on the noddy page.

      Grant - 2011-11-17 20:09

      //None of the dating methods are working and has been proven time and again over the years. // Being proven in your mind and being proven in scientific journals are two completely different things. Of course I could be wrong and you could post links to scientific journals showing "all dating methods being incorrect". Can't wait to see how you pen your opinion against every single university laboritory on the planet. //The fact of the matter is that the only provable evidence found with dinosaur bones indicate that they were living with man and less than 10000 years ago// There is no evidence of this, whatsoever, you are lying. Of course I could be wrong and welcome your links to scientific journals showing otherwise/ //as they found soft tissue and most of the bones still indicate carbon and as mentioned before carbon dating can only measure up to 50000 // Sorry can you be any more ignorant? Scientists have being trying to extract DNA from dinosaurs for years. The reason they cannot do this is because the remains arent 6000 years old. They are millions of years old, and the DNA has broken down. //So yes you can believe the facts or you can believe the evolution fairytale. // You have no facts, whatsoever. All you have is an incredibly poor understanding of the world

      coert.welman - 2011-11-21 13:45

      @NuttyZA Correction, carbon-14 does not have a half-life of 50 000 years. The half-life is approximately 5730 years, which means after 50 000 years it has been "halved" around 9 times already.

  • Breinlekkasie - 2011-11-03 06:58

    If I look at the people around me it seems like I am the alien.

  • Lauden Kirk - 2011-11-03 08:53

    Nephilim (nefil`im), in the Bible, Hebrew word of no known meaning, denoting peoples of gigantic stature with superhuman strength. The term is translated as "giants" in the Authorized Version. The Book of Genesis refers to Nephilim as the offspring of marriages between "daughters of humans" and "sons of God." See also Anak .

  • Lauden Kirk - 2011-11-03 08:53

    Nephilim (nefil`im), in the Bible, Hebrew word of no known meaning, denoting peoples of gigantic stature with superhuman strength. The term is translated as "giants" in the Authorized Version. The Book of Genesis refers to Nephilim as the offspring of marriages between "daughters of humans" and "sons of God." See also Anak .

      Marius - 2011-11-03 09:04

      I thought god had only one son? The one and only JC??

  • Bart - 2011-11-03 09:03

    hey they found clingon's on uranus!!

      Lanfear - 2011-11-03 11:56

      Its Klingons with a "K", you philestine! lol

  • Nathi - 2011-11-03 10:07

    Personally I beleive there is life out there. And alot of it. Contact will be made, maybe not in our life time, but it will be made. There are alot of things that we don't know about space travel, the limitations or lack thereof of physics and our universe. I think our moment of truth will come when we can travel out and back into our solar system safely and within a reasonable amount of time, say like 10yrs for the entire trip.

  • Bradley - 2011-11-03 10:11

    yes, alien life is amongst us. go look take a stroll in the streets and have a look for your self.

  • markus.botha - 2011-11-03 13:22

    I disagree. Life has developed multiple times on earth since it is ideally suited for life. Humans comes from the common a ancestor called vertebrates. Which means you have a spine.

      Erich - 2011-11-03 13:51

      You may have a spine, but a brain .....definitely not

  • leijn.tissink - 2011-11-03 14:41

    May be it's my ex wife on her broom stick

  • David - 2011-11-06 19:34

    Very Goood !!! All be-it a bit sad; as we are all from Mars in the first place. We are all NOT of this Planet, all are Alien.

  • Alwyn - 2011-11-07 08:12

    Be ready for a wake up call, fact remains fact and you cannot deny it much longer. We are no longer brain washed by letting others do our thinking for us. Sadly christians are not open minded about things that do not conform to their "logic" that is very sad, why because many of them cannot see the bigger picture.

  • nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-26 15:06

    who's adam and eve?

  • Robert - 2011-11-26 21:27

    If 99.99% of ufo's are "explainable " and o.oo1% is of "alien origin" .............houston we have a problem ?...or "beam me up scotty ?..

  • Robi - 2011-12-21 04:58

    WHO ARE THE ALIENS.ARE WHITE PEOPLE ALIENS.SOMEONE IDENTIFIED ALIENS AS ALIENS TRAVELLING THE WHOLE WORLD DIGGING DIAMONDS,GOLD,AND OTHER MINERAL RESOURCES. SHE EVEN CLAIMED THAT SOUTH AFRICA IS A VICTIM OF ALIENS. COME ON GUYS, ARE WHITE PEOPLE ALIENS?

  • lawson.lutchman - 2011-12-21 06:58

    Yep dude, they are called women, they say they are from venus but I'm guessing uranus

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