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Belief in God grows among older people

2012-04-19 09:52

Chicago - Belief in God is highest among older people and increases with age, perhaps due to the growing realisation that death is coming closer, University of Chicago researchers said on Wednesday.

Summarising data from surveys performed in 1991, 1998 and 2008 in 30 countries from Chile to Japan, the university's National Opinion Research Centre found that, on average, 43% of those aged 68 and older were certain that God exists.

By comparison, an average of 23% of people aged 27 and younger were firm believers in God, according to the report, which gathered data from the International Social Survey Programme, a consortium of the world's leading opinion survey organisations.

"Looking at differences among age groups, the largest increases in belief in God most often occur among those 58 years of age and older. This suggests that belief in God is especially likely to increase among the oldest groups, perhaps in response to the increasing anticipation of mortality," researcher Tom Smith said in a statement.

Over the past two decades, belief in God has decreased in most countries, but the declines were modest, Smith said.

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Israel, Slovenia and Russia were three exceptions where belief in God had grown. For instance in Russia, non-believers who became believers outnumbered by 16% those who had lost their belief in God.

Belief was highest in strongly Catholic countries such as the Philippines, at 94%, and lowest in Western Europe, with only 13% of former East Germans believers.

In the US, 81% of people surveyed said they had always believed in God, and 68% support the concept that God is concerned with people in a personal way.

People were asked about their range of beliefs, from atheism to strong belief in God; their changing beliefs over their lifetimes; and their attitudes toward the notion that God is concerned with individuals.

The countries surveyed were Australia, Austria, Chile, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Germany, Britain, Hungary, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Northern Ireland, Norway, The Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Russia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and the US.

Comments
  • atholl.hay - 2012-04-19 10:21

    It's called "cramming for finals".

      Peter-Peter - 2012-04-19 10:43

      Im sorry guys...but Ill die an antheist

      Peter-Peter - 2012-04-19 10:43

      Im sorry guys...but Ill die an antheist

      Greg - 2012-04-19 10:54

      @Peter .... never say never. God's love for you and you alone knows no limit or condition. He is your perfect father, saviour and sanctifier. In him you will find true peace, hope and joy, now and in the life to come.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 10:54

      @Peter .... never say never. God's love for you and you alone knows no limit or condition. He is your perfect father, saviour and sanctifier. In him you will find true peace, hope and joy, now and in the life to come.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:23

      @Balstrome Well he has done nothing for 2000 years. My guess he is in fact dead by now.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:23

      @Balstrome Well he has done nothing for 2000 years. My guess he is in fact dead by now.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:25

      @Greg Oh how sweet. So the the most murderous bastard in the Universe loves me. If you fundies would actually read your holy book, you would see that God is far more evil than Satan could ever hope to be! (That's why God gets criticized--he pretends to be good, but he's not. He's a phoney.) People killed by God in Bible: 2,473,633 People killed by devil in Bible: 10 http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:25

      @Greg Oh how sweet. So the the most murderous bastard in the Universe loves me. If you fundies would actually read your holy book, you would see that God is far more evil than Satan could ever hope to be! (That's why God gets criticized--he pretends to be good, but he's not. He's a phoney.) People killed by God in Bible: 2,473,633 People killed by devil in Bible: 10 http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html

      Peter-Peter - 2012-04-19 11:37

      If there is a God, i know for a fact that he is scared of me...he avoids me around every corner, he doesn't talk to me, he doesn't try to correct my wrongs, he doesn't get upset with my blasphemy, 'hes given me' a good life, with people i can trust and love and all of this after i can open say 'his moer'... Greg...thanks, but it falls on deaf ears...your god abandoned me, and didnt give a c*** when I made my own rules (this going against his 'word' of Exodus 20:2,3 - "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me") So much for 'free will' - the fundamental rule of Christianity. Christianity, is for people who like to live with constraints and for people who are scared of to die...im not up for that..ill live my life the way i want, and so far, its been pretty flipping amazing.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-04-19 11:37

      If there is a God, i know for a fact that he is scared of me...he avoids me around every corner, he doesn't talk to me, he doesn't try to correct my wrongs, he doesn't get upset with my blasphemy, 'hes given me' a good life, with people i can trust and love and all of this after i can open say 'his moer'... Greg...thanks, but it falls on deaf ears...your god abandoned me, and didnt give a c*** when I made my own rules (this going against his 'word' of Exodus 20:2,3 - "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me") So much for 'free will' - the fundamental rule of Christianity. Christianity, is for people who like to live with constraints and for people who are scared of to die...im not up for that..ill live my life the way i want, and so far, its been pretty flipping amazing.

      Fredster - 2012-04-19 12:53

      zaatheist .. Smoking something again?

      Fredster - 2012-04-19 12:53

      zaatheist .. Smoking something again?

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 14:01

      @Fredster joins the chorus but makes no valid contribution nor does attempt to refute anything.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 14:01

      @Fredster joins the chorus but makes no valid contribution nor does attempt to refute anything.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:31

      @zaatheist ..... we cannot blame God when human beings fail to respect and honour the dignity and life of the other person. Out of our free will we choose to protect or destroy life. People in Old Testament times and even today attribute to God what we do out of our own free will. When Christ was condemned, innocent though he was, he did not blame his Father in Heaven. So basically it is our own: jealousy, hatred, greed, lust, avarice, ignorance, fear, etc that lead us to kill, steal, slander, etc. Not God.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:31

      @zaatheist ..... we cannot blame God when human beings fail to respect and honour the dignity and life of the other person. Out of our free will we choose to protect or destroy life. People in Old Testament times and even today attribute to God what we do out of our own free will. When Christ was condemned, innocent though he was, he did not blame his Father in Heaven. So basically it is our own: jealousy, hatred, greed, lust, avarice, ignorance, fear, etc that lead us to kill, steal, slander, etc. Not God.

      jody.beggs - 2012-04-19 16:44

      @Greg. I'm confused , in the commandments it says thou shalt not kill/Murder , basically. But later condones the murder of "Normal people" atheists, gays, rape survivor ,lying kids, witches and warlocks etc. So which is it and what do you follow ? Damn the man.

      jody.beggs - 2012-04-19 16:44

      @Greg. I'm confused , in the commandments it says thou shalt not kill/Murder , basically. But later condones the murder of "Normal people" atheists, gays, rape survivor ,lying kids, witches and warlocks etc. So which is it and what do you follow ? Damn the man.

      Jannie - 2012-04-19 17:23

      It is what makes Christianity succeed. The promise of life after death does seem to soften the finality of death. So what the hell, why not reach for it in your twilight years? Like some sort of fire protection insurance. ;-)

      Jannie - 2012-04-19 17:23

      It is what makes Christianity succeed. The promise of life after death does seem to soften the finality of death. So what the hell, why not reach for it in your twilight years? Like some sort of fire protection insurance. ;-)

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 18:26

      @Greg Ag shame. Are you now feeling offended? My disrespect and satire of religious belief is not accidental. I have no respect for a belief that teaches faith over logic, a paradise while others burn, and any belief for that matter that makes anything more valuable than a human being (God, Jesus, the bible, popes, bishops, etc).

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 18:26

      @Greg Ag shame. Are you now feeling offended? My disrespect and satire of religious belief is not accidental. I have no respect for a belief that teaches faith over logic, a paradise while others burn, and any belief for that matter that makes anything more valuable than a human being (God, Jesus, the bible, popes, bishops, etc).

      Paul - 2012-04-25 11:08

      @Balstrome That alter ego of yours seems to make you think you're scary .... lmao... you are a joke!

  • zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:24

    The trend is clear. A couple of generations from now and god belief in advanced societies will be viewed with the same amusement as we perceive "aliens abducted me" crazies. That is why the Pope and the American Jesus evangelists are concentrating on peddling their snake oil in countries will low levels of education.

      Catherine - 2012-04-19 10:35

      That is what Nietzsche said over 100 years ago and time has proved him wrong.

      Catherine - 2012-04-19 10:35

      That is what Nietzsche said over 100 years ago and time has proved him wrong.

      Dakey - 2012-04-19 10:39

      So what happened to Dark matter again?

      Dakey - 2012-04-19 10:39

      So what happened to Dark matter again?

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:50

      @Cathrine He did not live in a world of instant and free communication. Times have changed and religion can no longer impose fear from behind darkness and gobbledygook. Satan invented and is using the internet to let people know he does not exist, hey?

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:50

      @Cathrine He did not live in a world of instant and free communication. Times have changed and religion can no longer impose fear from behind darkness and gobbledygook. Satan invented and is using the internet to let people know he does not exist, hey?

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:51

      @Dakeyras AH! An anti-science cretinous godbot!

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:51

      @Dakeyras AH! An anti-science cretinous godbot!

      Greg - 2012-04-19 11:27

      Atheists have been around since the dawn of modern man, not everyone believed in God and not everyone will. Yet even today, not even the most gifted scientists can explain that elephant in the room .... the Shroud of Turin (aka the Resurrection of Jesus). Until such time as we can extend our own lives by our own hand scientifically or otherwise to live this life eternally, we are merely transiting through this mortal life toward something so profound our scientists dare not articulate it. We are not talking about a reality that exists in space and time alone (i.e. our universe / dimensions) but one that exists both in and beyond space and time.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 11:27

      Atheists have been around since the dawn of modern man, not everyone believed in God and not everyone will. Yet even today, not even the most gifted scientists can explain that elephant in the room .... the Shroud of Turin (aka the Resurrection of Jesus). Until such time as we can extend our own lives by our own hand scientifically or otherwise to live this life eternally, we are merely transiting through this mortal life toward something so profound our scientists dare not articulate it. We are not talking about a reality that exists in space and time alone (i.e. our universe / dimensions) but one that exists both in and beyond space and time.

      stuart.steedman - 2012-04-19 11:52

      @Greg Real scientists don't lose sleep over the Turin Shroud mate. The only ones who generally throw real time at it are the ones wanting to pander to gullible Christians on hour-long Discovery shows.

      stuart.steedman - 2012-04-19 11:52

      @Greg Real scientists don't lose sleep over the Turin Shroud mate. The only ones who generally throw real time at it are the ones wanting to pander to gullible Christians on hour-long Discovery shows.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:52

      @Greg You are now demonstrating unbelievable ignorance and stupidity. Scientists have in fact tested samples of the Shroud and, as with all other Catholic 'relics' shown to be be a fraud. A fake. The Turin Shroud is the image of Jesus Christ for the same reason that Loch Ness has a 'Loch Ness Monster'. Fleecing the suckers and tourism. Some facts may be in order. - The figure on the shroud has elongated legs. This was the style of Gothic artwork at the time, e.g. on cathedrals. Much like photos of fairies wearing 1920s dresses, the shroud figure can't escape from the aesthetics of its (medieval) era. - The radiocarbon dating of the shroud was done blind at three different specialist centres. Samples of known dates were also tested blind to ensure the results were reliable. These known dates were confirmed and the shroud dated to the medieval era. - Twill - the weave of the shroud - was unknown in the middle east until a much later era. Other burials of the period were simple cross-weaves. - There have been numerous successful attempts to match the image; the only dispute is which method was used. The Vatican has refused further scientific investigation so we may never know which method was used. A BBC Horizon used bleaching in the sun. A white sheet spread over a simple black and white image of 'Jesus' and left in bright sun resulted in the familiar shroud image.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:52

      @Greg You are now demonstrating unbelievable ignorance and stupidity. Scientists have in fact tested samples of the Shroud and, as with all other Catholic 'relics' shown to be be a fraud. A fake. The Turin Shroud is the image of Jesus Christ for the same reason that Loch Ness has a 'Loch Ness Monster'. Fleecing the suckers and tourism. Some facts may be in order. - The figure on the shroud has elongated legs. This was the style of Gothic artwork at the time, e.g. on cathedrals. Much like photos of fairies wearing 1920s dresses, the shroud figure can't escape from the aesthetics of its (medieval) era. - The radiocarbon dating of the shroud was done blind at three different specialist centres. Samples of known dates were also tested blind to ensure the results were reliable. These known dates were confirmed and the shroud dated to the medieval era. - Twill - the weave of the shroud - was unknown in the middle east until a much later era. Other burials of the period were simple cross-weaves. - There have been numerous successful attempts to match the image; the only dispute is which method was used. The Vatican has refused further scientific investigation so we may never know which method was used. A BBC Horizon used bleaching in the sun. A white sheet spread over a simple black and white image of 'Jesus' and left in bright sun resulted in the familiar shroud image.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 13:08

      @Greg http://www.skepdic.com/shroud.html Offered in a genuine attempt to help you further your education.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 13:08

      @Greg http://www.skepdic.com/shroud.html Offered in a genuine attempt to help you further your education.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:55

      @stuart / zaatheist ....... I think if you conduct a more objective study of the research institute set up specifically for the study of the shroud of Turin you may be pleasantly surprised. There has been great progress with the forensic investigations. The points you mention are rather one-sided (subjective) since they are sourced only from people who have tried very hard to de-bunk the shroud as a fake without success. Their 'research' was flawed from the start as they sort to prove it was a fake (foregone conclusion - subjective reasoning). I suppose they shouted loud enough and long enough and may have fooled some people. The current research institute is a fully professional and objective approach, neither upholding or condemning, but seeking the truth forensically.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:55

      @stuart / zaatheist ....... I think if you conduct a more objective study of the research institute set up specifically for the study of the shroud of Turin you may be pleasantly surprised. There has been great progress with the forensic investigations. The points you mention are rather one-sided (subjective) since they are sourced only from people who have tried very hard to de-bunk the shroud as a fake without success. Their 'research' was flawed from the start as they sort to prove it was a fake (foregone conclusion - subjective reasoning). I suppose they shouted loud enough and long enough and may have fooled some people. The current research institute is a fully professional and objective approach, neither upholding or condemning, but seeking the truth forensically.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 18:31

      @Greg There is no evidence that the Shroud is anything more than a medieval fake. If it was real the Catholic Church would go to the ends of the earth to have scientists validate its authenticity. Now that have blocked further research becasue they are not getting the answers they want. You really have been badly brainwashed with claptrap.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 18:31

      @Greg There is no evidence that the Shroud is anything more than a medieval fake. If it was real the Catholic Church would go to the ends of the earth to have scientists validate its authenticity. Now that have blocked further research becasue they are not getting the answers they want. You really have been badly brainwashed with claptrap.

      Bill - 2012-04-22 05:34

      Zaatheist, in response to you question, "divine presence in human life." Do you have some evidence for that? I do have proof of that, I had epilepsy for 30 year I became a christian a man prayed for me I no longer have epilepsy, I got a clean bill of health from my doctor about 28 yeas ago. I prayed for a man with brain cancer the doctors told him they could do nothing that he was going to died, he was instantly healed, got a clean bill of health from his doctor that was 10 years ago. I pray for a lady who was run over by a car, after her hospital stay she was missing 6 inches off bone in her left leg, I prayed for her, God instantly replaced the 6 inches of bone. These are only a few of the many proof I have. He is real, He does exist.

      Bill - 2012-04-22 05:34

      Zaatheist, in response to you question, "divine presence in human life." Do you have some evidence for that? I do have proof of that, I had epilepsy for 30 year I became a christian a man prayed for me I no longer have epilepsy, I got a clean bill of health from my doctor about 28 yeas ago. I prayed for a man with brain cancer the doctors told him they could do nothing that he was going to died, he was instantly healed, got a clean bill of health from his doctor that was 10 years ago. I pray for a lady who was run over by a car, after her hospital stay she was missing 6 inches off bone in her left leg, I prayed for her, God instantly replaced the 6 inches of bone. These are only a few of the many proof I have. He is real, He does exist.

  • patrickflynn73 - 2012-04-19 10:26

    It saddens me to see pics like this of people nailing themself to a cross. The death and resurrection of JESUS CHRIST is a COMPLETE work and when we come to faith in Him we are made pure and righeous thru the shedding of His blood. Good works cannot save us, only believing in Him and his COMPLETE work. Weather you chooe to believe or not is your choice.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:30

      Maybe the guy nailing himself to a cross is a true™ Christian and you are not.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 10:30

      Maybe the guy nailing himself to a cross is a true™ Christian and you are not.

      Maximus - 2012-04-19 11:25

      Ha ha ha ha. Stop preaching your fairy tales. You legitimately have to the most ignorant being to believe such absolute garbage.

      Maximus - 2012-04-19 11:25

      Ha ha ha ha. Stop preaching your fairy tales. You legitimately have to the most ignorant being to believe such absolute garbage.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 11:31

      Simply a persons way of expressing a profound and humanly speaking, unmeasurable reality. Faith in action!!

      Greg - 2012-04-19 11:31

      Simply a persons way of expressing a profound and humanly speaking, unmeasurable reality. Faith in action!!

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:55

      @Greg Agreed. Brain addled faith in action. These idiots are acting under a delusion. You might feel your religious experience to be very real, but this is exactly what a delusion does, and it is why you need to call on checks and balances (such as evidence) outside of your own wishfull thinking and subjective sensations to steer you away from nonsense. Belief: (n) 1. The act of accepting as fact a proposition that is not supported by evidence. 2. The refusal to question the acceptance of an unsupported fact despite the presence of controverting evidence. 3. The lack of interest or will in seeking knowledge, evidence or perspectives that would tend to argue against the acceptance of an unsupported proposition. It’s called “faith” because it’s not “truth.”

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 11:55

      @Greg Agreed. Brain addled faith in action. These idiots are acting under a delusion. You might feel your religious experience to be very real, but this is exactly what a delusion does, and it is why you need to call on checks and balances (such as evidence) outside of your own wishfull thinking and subjective sensations to steer you away from nonsense. Belief: (n) 1. The act of accepting as fact a proposition that is not supported by evidence. 2. The refusal to question the acceptance of an unsupported fact despite the presence of controverting evidence. 3. The lack of interest or will in seeking knowledge, evidence or perspectives that would tend to argue against the acceptance of an unsupported proposition. It’s called “faith” because it’s not “truth.”

  • Maximus - 2012-04-19 11:35

    Religion is a joke. There are far better paths one can follow to reach a higher level of existence. Once reached, the fear of death will be no more. None of these religious ignoramus's have the foggiest clue about enlightenment and TRUE elevation of ones mind. It's so sad to think that people actually believe that going to some designated room and saying a pray actually has any significant effect on their consciousness. Really goes to show how easy it is to brainwash and control the masses when you put the \fear of God\ into them.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 12:15

      @ Maximus .... in His way and in His time you will know His presence & love. All the best.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 12:15

      @ Maximus .... in His way and in His time you will know His presence & love. All the best.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 12:45

      @Greg All your postings simply confirm that religion and the belief that there is an invisible magic man in the sky (who grants wishes) is a joke. OK. This is my daily test to check the existence of your almighty, omnipresent, all powerful, “I will not be mocked”, god. Attention: god. Are you listening? I think you are a know nothing, do nothing, useless, embarrassing waste of human energy and money. You come on down here, show yourself so I can give you a good klap. Come on then, smite me now. Waiting ................... time passes ................. nothing. Waiting ................... more time passes ................. nothing. Waiting ................... even more time passes. Yaaaawn! ................. nothing. Oh, well! Seems he is working in mysterious ways again. So mysterious it is almost as if he simply does not exist. PAH!

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 12:45

      @Greg All your postings simply confirm that religion and the belief that there is an invisible magic man in the sky (who grants wishes) is a joke. OK. This is my daily test to check the existence of your almighty, omnipresent, all powerful, “I will not be mocked”, god. Attention: god. Are you listening? I think you are a know nothing, do nothing, useless, embarrassing waste of human energy and money. You come on down here, show yourself so I can give you a good klap. Come on then, smite me now. Waiting ................... time passes ................. nothing. Waiting ................... more time passes ................. nothing. Waiting ................... even more time passes. Yaaaawn! ................. nothing. Oh, well! Seems he is working in mysterious ways again. So mysterious it is almost as if he simply does not exist. PAH!

      stuart.steedman - 2012-04-19 13:57

      I don't want to be "That Guy", but Drue, seriously, how difficult is to to type "the" instead of "da". Writing like that makes me wonder how you're able to use a computer long enough not to drool on it.

      stuart.steedman - 2012-04-19 13:57

      I don't want to be "That Guy", but Drue, seriously, how difficult is to to type "the" instead of "da". Writing like that makes me wonder how you're able to use a computer long enough not to drool on it.

      CaptainGaza - 2012-04-19 14:03

      Drue0204. There is no such thing as Satan, Loki, Beelzibub, Old Nic, Prince of Darkness etc etc. That evil is present in every single one of us on this earth as is the good. God and Satan are both concepts by which you guys measure your faith, that's all.

      CaptainGaza - 2012-04-19 14:03

      Drue0204. There is no such thing as Satan, Loki, Beelzibub, Old Nic, Prince of Darkness etc etc. That evil is present in every single one of us on this earth as is the good. God and Satan are both concepts by which you guys measure your faith, that's all.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 14:06

      @Stuart I think Drue is just pretending to be a fundie using dumb findie speak.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 14:06

      @Stuart I think Drue is just pretending to be a fundie using dumb findie speak.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:58

      @ zaatheist ...... it's your free will, use it wisely ...... all the best.

      Greg - 2012-04-19 14:58

      @ zaatheist ...... it's your free will, use it wisely ...... all the best.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 15:38

      @Greg I am. And still waiting for your god to appear so I can give him a good klap.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-19 15:38

      @Greg I am. And still waiting for your god to appear so I can give him a good klap.

      jody.beggs - 2012-04-19 16:55

      @Greg righteousness is a sin. How do you really know what you believe is the Truth ? If your information only comes from the Bible then your out of luck mate ! Over the centuries where do you think the Tithes money has been going ? Churches must be really bad with money ! Damn the man.

      jody.beggs - 2012-04-19 16:55

      @Greg righteousness is a sin. How do you really know what you believe is the Truth ? If your information only comes from the Bible then your out of luck mate ! Over the centuries where do you think the Tithes money has been going ? Churches must be really bad with money ! Damn the man.

      Greg - 2012-04-20 09:40

      @ Jody .... according to atheist thinking, there is no God and therefore no such thing as sin, not that righteousness is a sin. In order for sin to be there must be a reference of what is good and what is not. Again, in the absence of God one persons good is anothers evil. Again, truth becomes relative when there is no God and by extention human laws are true to one and not to another. For all humans to accept basic universal human laws as true there must be a benchmark ..... but where do we get that if we deny the existence of God. Are we saying humans alone are capable of knowing the basic universal truth, of knowing what is sinful and what is not merely by our own human reasoning / logic?? Is it ok to kill someone because I am angry with them and to say my law allows it?? Why is killing wrong if there is no God, by athiest reasoning??

      Greg - 2012-04-20 09:40

      @ Jody .... according to atheist thinking, there is no God and therefore no such thing as sin, not that righteousness is a sin. In order for sin to be there must be a reference of what is good and what is not. Again, in the absence of God one persons good is anothers evil. Again, truth becomes relative when there is no God and by extention human laws are true to one and not to another. For all humans to accept basic universal human laws as true there must be a benchmark ..... but where do we get that if we deny the existence of God. Are we saying humans alone are capable of knowing the basic universal truth, of knowing what is sinful and what is not merely by our own human reasoning / logic?? Is it ok to kill someone because I am angry with them and to say my law allows it?? Why is killing wrong if there is no God, by athiest reasoning??

  • Victor - 2012-04-20 07:10

    Silly old buggers !!!!!!

  • Victor - 2012-04-20 07:12

    If God does exist, then could I please have the lotto numbers when it is a really big rollover and then I will be his number 1 fan.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-20 07:16

      you seem to think he cares about lotto

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-20 07:16

      you seem to think he cares about lotto

  • Jason - 2012-04-20 10:28

    @Greg @ Zaatheist Greg all one can do is pray for the lost souls of the world for it is written that in the last days evil will overcome ones mind and they will be ungodly... "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. ..." 2 Timothy 3:1-17 ESV indeed if you look at all the prophecies we are in the last days... and i feel sorry for the ungodly for the time will come and then it will be to late...

      paul.kizanis - 2012-04-22 20:32

      Amen, We are living in the last days. I think theres a scripture in the bible that says don't bother with people that don't believe in God. We know theres a God. Atheist's beliefs has no bearing on reality. Fire burns whether you believe it or not. The earth is round whether you believe it or not. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west whether you believe it or not. God has complete control over the world whether you believe it or not.

      paul.kizanis - 2012-04-22 20:32

      Amen, We are living in the last days. I think theres a scripture in the bible that says don't bother with people that don't believe in God. We know theres a God. Atheist's beliefs has no bearing on reality. Fire burns whether you believe it or not. The earth is round whether you believe it or not. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west whether you believe it or not. God has complete control over the world whether you believe it or not.

  • Annelize - 2012-04-20 14:13

    @zaatheist - think you will find some interesting reading here: http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/

  • bob.swesey - 2012-04-21 18:13

    You can believe or not, its up to you. Not all will have ever lasting life that is fact.and he only heres those who are his so call him what ever you like, He dosen't here you!

  • bob.swesey - 2012-04-21 18:14

    I think it would be safe to say that many believers have no idea how truly important real faith is to their walk with Christ. In fact, you cannot have a walk with Christ without faith!

  • chris.grobbelaar1 - 2012-05-15 13:35

    So let us play what if....Atheists say there is no God. Christians say there is. I would rather believe God and have eternal hope than to gamble on there is no God. So what if you are wrong atheists? What if at the end of your life you die and meet this God? What are you going to say to your defence? While we are alive we can choose Him. When we die it is too late.God loves you and does not want you to go to hell for an eternity, separated from His mercy and grace. It is like God said that we cannot be saved by good works, but by excepting Jesus Christ as a gift of salvation unto eternity. He is the Only way to God, there is no other name by which you can be saved. Repent then of your sins and He will remove it as far as the east is from the west and He will remember your sins no more. There is time still to be in right standing with God. Seek Him while he can still be found. People ask for evidence of God's existence. Look around yourselves. The mere fact that you can breathe is a miracle from God. Look at creation, if you really think it evolved from nothing, you are already deceived. There is no scientific basis to prove evolution and a creatorless creation. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Chris is Lord. And if flesh will not confess this fact, then the stones of the earth will...

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