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Extraterrestrial life will be found - expert

2012-01-26 22:35

Cape Town - It is likely that scientists will find extraterrestrial life, but the chances of it being intelligent, or even multi-celled, are remote, an astronomer has said.

"In our solar system I think there's every chance that we will find things like bacteria - life at that level somewhere else. Multi-celled life, I think, is unlikely," Dr Robin Catchpole told News24.

Catchpole works at the Institute of Astronomy in Cambridge, and is formerly a senior astronomer at the Royal Observatory.

He is presently giving a summer school at the University of Cape Town on "From Here to the Edge of the Observable Universe".

Astronomers have, in the last 30 years, been more accepting of the idea that life may occur elsewhere in the universe.

Technology

"There's almost a sort of philosophical point that we don't see ourselves as unique in the universe perhaps in the way that we used to.

"In the last 100 years since Darwin really we've seen that we are related to all the other living things. So we would expect not only to find ourselves, of course, but we would expect and anticipate finding life elsewhere," Catchpole said.

Technology has allowed astronomers to explore more of the universe and radio telescopes, in particular, have assisted in expanding knowledge.

"With radio telescopes we've discovered evidence of molecules - the basic precursors of life - all over the place in interstellar clouds. The more we look, the more we find," said Catchpole.

In the past, it was thought that planets around stars were a rare phenomenon, but advances in astronomy have shown that not only are planets common, they are even present around binary stars, as in the Star Wars movies.

"Indeed, work done in South Africa itself is helping to find planets around stars and we think now they're probably the rule, rather than the exception," Catchpole said.

"It was really the technology that led us to discover the first planets because, in very rare cases, we don't observe the planet itself," he added.

Methods

Astronomers use three common methods to detect planets: Astrometry, that measures the star's position and monitors it for a "wobble" that would indicate the presence of a body exercising a gravitational influence.

In the transit method, astronomers measure whether the light from a star dips fractionally as a planet passes between the star and observer.

With gravitational microlensing, experts observe two stars in alignment and use the gravity of the nearer star to magnify the light of the distant one.



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Comments
  • colin.dovey - 2012-01-26 23:03

    It is here already......Malema

      henrileriche - 2012-01-27 06:43

      Malema is bacteria. Not "intelligent life".

      Fanie - 2012-01-27 06:53

      ...and the bacteria have disowned him for being to nasty

      Pieter - 2012-01-27 07:48

      Is there a cell present? You sure about that.

      Patrick - 2012-01-27 08:19

      white bacteria is zille

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:43

      Why must you always bring race into it Patrick? Seems you have a large chip on your shoulder.... get over it.

      Nathi - 2012-01-27 10:28

      LMAO!!!!!!!!!

      RE - 2012-01-27 20:33

      lol... humans...

      Sean - 2012-01-28 00:22

      @Patrick - Must be sh@t for you that one woman has more brains than the whole of ANC together and obviously because she is white !!

      brendonml - 2012-01-28 09:52

      Boring.

  • Charmaine - 2012-01-26 23:53

    This is true, according to scripture, there are other things and beings of which we have no knowledge. We can not dispute about what Great Men have written in the scriptures, " If God wanted to, God will wipe out the entire Human Race and bring in a New Creation" for man is most ungrateful! These are powerful words written by men. Any thing is possible Thanks for this article.

      micaela100 - 2012-01-27 00:32

      Life must appear awful to someone who believes such nonsense.

      Godfrey - 2012-01-27 04:10

      Expected. And what is this scripture? The bible is clearly an anthology of myth, poetry, history, law, biography, letters and personal recollections rewritten and embellished in order to put over a particular viewpoint. As is well known, you can justify virtually any position by quoting from the Bible, which necessarily leads to the conclusion that Bible is self-contradictory, and therefore cannot be accepted as an authority on any position whatsoever. So if any scientific discovery refutes the bible then the believers just change the interpretation to suit the facts.

      Paul - 2012-01-27 06:55

      Q: why is micaela100 aggressive in her response? A: because she and folks who argue like her feel highly insecure and threatened and bothered by people like Charmaine's views. I mean what if Charmaine's view holds water in the end?

      Skeptical - 2012-01-27 08:16

      Do you worship the scriptures or do you worship the creator?

      timelord - 2012-01-27 09:22

      hey charmaine , listen i am sorry to break the news to you but ,your bible , its all fiction.....

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:44

      Well said Godfrey :-) someone with a mind... 'tis refreshing

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:46

      @Paul: That's the whole basis of the bible... what if. What if se moer...

      Roy - 2012-01-27 10:23

      Could we just stick to pure Science please and leave the fairy tales for another forum?

      Matt - 2012-01-27 10:28

      Well regardless of what anyone believes, fictional or not, the bible contains some great writings, just like that of Shakespeare. We learn Shakespeare in school, therefore basing our very own language off some random Charlie's writing. What makes him right? What makes the bible right? We all have faith, just in different things. Believe what you want to believe it's your life. There's no need to force others. Besides, attacking other people beliefs only shows insecurity in your own. Irie.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 10:34

      Matt I disagree, this is article about science. Why bring religion into it at all? "the bible contains some great writings" Another debate entirely

      Matt - 2012-01-27 10:44

      Vic I just figured that if we were getting into this topic, I might as well add my two cents worth. The bible is well written, considering it is the most-loved, most-hated and best-selling book of all time. Not to mention the people who died for it. People didn't do such things for Winnie-the-Pooh.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 10:49

      Matt: "The bible is well written, considering it is the most-loved, most-hated and best-selling book of all time." Well-written? Again, debateable topic. It has been edited and copied ad nauseum. We don't have the original manuscripts of most of the books. Scribes added and changed through the ages at will. To add to this problem, people believe its the inerrant word of god. A problem when the text has been changed and translated so many times. Best-selling? Nonsense. Provide references. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_books "Religious books, especially the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible and the Qur'an, are probably the most-printed books, but it is nearly impossible to find reliable sales figures for them. Print figures are missing or unreliable since these books are produced by many different and unrelated publishers. Furthermore, many copies of the Bhagavad Gita, the Bible and the Qur'an are printed and given away free, instead of being sold. The same goes for some political books, such as the works of Mao Zedong or Adolf Hitler. Thus it is impossible to determine either the number printed, or the proportion of those printed that are sold. " "Not to mention the people who died for it. People didn't do such things for Winnie-the-Pooh. " People die for what they believe in - the same with islam, hunduism, etc. It does not make the belief valid or the text of the "holy" book the truth. Can we get back to science now?

      Matt - 2012-01-27 11:06

      Ahhh damn it. You've got me stumped there. Guess I'll believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-01-27 11:40

      What would you do if God is an alien? Would you still follow something that has been manipulating man from long ago? Would you still follow him or keep the idea alive just for the hell of it?

      cloetej - 2012-01-27 15:06

      @Charmaine Not sure I know that scripture, please enlighten @Delusion You have obviously never spend much time reading the Bible? Isa 40:22 and Job 26:7 clearly shows that inspired Bible writers had far more insight than what you give them credit for! @Godfrey Unfortunately you are right, people has been misquoting and quoting the Bible out of context for centuries in order to promote their personal beliefs. But you are also wrong. The Bible does not contradict itself and is in perfect harmony - it is the interpretations of people that contradicts. Unfortunately it is mainly people (who profess to be Christians) and their actions that turn people away from God and not the authenticity of the Bible. Fortunately the Bible also tells us in Matthew 7 how to identify true worshipers. But not reading the Bible and simply looking at people and their actions will of course make one negative, afterall Satan is the ruler of this world (1 John 5:19). The Bible is beneficial in many ways, even today in modern society. Take for example the prevalance of STDs, hatred among people, violence, greed and so forth. Not only did the Bible predicted this behaviour (2 Tim 3:1-5), but if everyone followed the guidance provided by the Bible, wouldn't you think this world would be a better place? That, together with numerous prophecies that was fulfilled, in my book makes it rather authoritative on pretty much everything (even on how to reason with people who deny that there is a God - Rom 1:20,21).

      hein.huyser - 2012-01-28 01:11

      Delution etal: because the Bible in genesis speaks of a "sphere" and the therefore when the Bible-reading people all along knew that the world was round "modern scientists" argued about it. The Bible speaks of "Beasts" in Job etc. (Old Testament and the oldest book in the Bible)bad translation, but the Bible reading people all along knew about Dinosaurs, while until recently, modern science marveled at these huge carcasses they dig up from under sediment. (wonder how these huge animals got buried, but that's another discussion) I guess what C are trying to say is, yes, some life forms might be found on other planets, but so what, nowhere does the Bible teaches us that we are the only life forms and therefore won't be the biggest surprise, however, salvation are for those who believe in Him only. (John 3 if you care)

      hein.huyser - 2012-01-28 01:17

      @ Victor. Sorry to burst your bubble and that of Wikipedia. The Koran and its religion is around 700 years old, were-as the Bible and parts of it thousands. I think the head-start is in favor of the Bible when it comes to volumes. At last count, the "Christ" religion is still the biggest and if one goes by sheer numbers of followers one is safe to say their Book will be the most printed.

      Jou - 2012-01-28 13:54

      The Scientologists will be ecstatic. They've been waiting for a UFO to pick them up since L Ron Hubbard started the rumour.

      Karmah - 2012-01-28 14:39

      @Charmaine as much as I admire you for standing your ground for what you believe in, This is a science forum. Facts are given and spoken of here. Not fictional stories. If you have facts to share then please do =D otehrwise lets keep the stories for another forum shall we?

  • marcus.gamper - 2012-01-27 01:24

    WARP-TIMES ... begin ... 2012

      Sean - 2012-01-28 00:23

      Just a pittY the destructive ANC can`t warp out of S.A

  • Shaun - 2012-01-27 03:08

    This article is very misleading. In fact life has been found and well documented.....http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/03/05/exclusive-nasa-scientists-claims-evidence-alien-life-meteorite/ Albeit the signs of life on other Planets was that of bacteria on a asteroid. Then there is that saying.."where there is smoke there is a fire".

      Godfrey - 2012-01-27 04:13

      I see a link to fundie fox news so I ignored it. I assume the asteroid referred to in the link is that proven to have originated from Mars. Most scientists dispute that it confirms any form of alien life. So we will just have to keep looking. It is bound to be out there. Fox news - not an authority on anything.

      J-Man - 2012-01-27 08:31

      I agree that life (of some form) will be found....but Fox news? as a source? Not helping... ;)

      Ben - 2012-01-27 09:09

      I'd rather use You magazine than Fox News...

      Shaun - 2012-01-27 10:58

      So a certain Dr. Richard B. Hoover, an astrobiologist with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, who has traveled to remote areas in Antarctica, Siberia, and Alaska, amongst others, for over ten years now, collecting and studying meteorites does not know what he is talking about in an interview with Fox News? @ Godfrey...strange logic considering you wont even read the article but then in the very next line say "I assume the asteroid referred to in the link". So really if you actually read the article you would see that a well known educated NASA employee has confirmed he has found very simple forms of life on asteroids. Try read the article before making silly comments sir. @ J-Man...life has been found. Wake up and smell the coffee sir. Or simply READ THE ARTICLE. @ Ben...You magazine does not interview World famous NASA employees who are paid salaries to discover this kind of thing so I am afraid you would be looking in the wrong place sir.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 11:01

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_B._Hoover "However, NASA officially distanced itself from Hoover's claim and his lack of expert peer reviews"

      Shaun - 2012-01-27 11:02

      Here is the link to the actual story for your reading pleasure...http://journalofcosmology.com/Life100.html

      Victor - 2012-01-27 11:06

      http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/03/did_scientists_discover_bacter.php

      Godfrey - 2012-01-27 13:04

      Face it Shaun. Just wishful thinking.

      Shaun - 2012-01-27 18:03

      @ Godfrey...face what? That there are 100 MILLION MILLION Suns in our galaxy alone and you declare in your infinate wisdom that life in any form on other Planets is not possible? Besides an employee of NASA on a NASA budget does research on this very subject and finds proof? You realise how stupid you sound right? I am laughing on the inside. Thanks for that sir.

      Shaun - 2012-01-27 18:10

      @ Victor...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestrial_life Read the part where it says "An experiment on the Viking Mars lander reported gas emissions from heated Martian soil that some argue are consistent with the presence of microbes". Also you failed to mention this part..."Richard B. Hoover (B.Sc.) (b. January 3, 1943) is a NASA scientist who has authored 33 Volumes and 250 papers on astrobiology, extremophiles, diatoms, solar physics, X-ray/EUV optics and meteorites.[1] He is employed at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center since 1966, where he conducts research on microbial extremophiles, microfossils, and chemical biomarkers in precambrian rocks and carbonaceous meteorites. He holds 11 U.S. patents and was 1992 NASA Inventor of the Year.[1] Hoover is best known for having claimed three times (1997,[2] 2007,[3] and 2011[4]) the discovery of extraterrestrial microfossils in a collection of select meteorites. However, NASA officially distanced itself from Hoover's claim and his lack of expert peer reviews.[5][6]". This guy HAS NO PEERS because NOBODY else has anywhere as much experience as he has on this subject. You know what believe what you want.....really it does not matter to me.

      Vanessa - 2012-01-28 16:44

      The article does say in THIS solar system. There are more than one

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-27 03:37

    Shaun, yes, and there is a lot of smoke. Sitchen and Co are not dreaming. I have the view that the year 2012 will bring CONTACT which will bury our ostrich approach paradigm and religious blinker approach. The multiverse must be teeming with life, and we are an offshoot thereof...pansperia.

      Aphrodite - 2012-01-27 08:58

      Its actually called Panspermia.

      Shaun - 2012-01-27 11:06

      Not sure if you watched the "Disclosure Project" which was held by the "National Press Club" in the USA a few years back but the one former Government employee claimed that the American Governement had made contact with over 53 different species of "advanced humanoids" since the first space flights. I have no evidence to prove any of this so I am still a sceptic but if a species like ours which looks NOTHING like anything else on this Planet can evolve then why can it not happen on other Planets? Considering there are a 100 Million Million Suns in our Galaxy alone. Boggle the mind truly.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:44

      I am old, so I type not well.

  • Paul - 2012-01-27 04:51

    shame, this buffoon and hawking and the like AND ALL WHO ARE OBSESSED WITH FINDING LIFE BEYOND EARTH SHOULD ALL GET AN INFLATABLE DARTBOARD FOR CHRISTMAS.

      modo - 2012-01-27 07:44

      Someone on our very own forum that is smarter and more knowledgeable than Stephen Hawking. How privileged we are to be privy to your esteemed opinion!

      Merven - 2012-01-27 08:03

      Idiots like you kept humanity in the dark ages.

      Skeptical - 2012-01-27 08:19

      And all those waiting for the second coming of Jesus who will arrive from the clouds should rather get professional help!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:23

      Hawkin is a most knowlegeable professor. Trying to ridicule him only shows yr own no-knowledge and u feeling threatened. Why?

      J-Man - 2012-01-27 08:32

      Grow and wake up.

      Ben - 2012-01-27 09:10

      Friday FAIL Paul!!

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-27 09:33

      @ Paul you're really showing your sheeple powers today. Damn the man.

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:11

      Merven - Idiots like him give the rest of us a reason to laugh and thusly enjoy our Friday's :D

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-27 12:01

      Get your head out of your a##

      gbbfg - 2012-01-27 22:14

      Yes Paul. And the buffoon who was obsessed with harnessing electricity should've gone to hell too. As well as the total morons who really thought they could make a flying machine. Madmen.

  • Dmitri - 2012-01-27 05:22

    I have said this before and I will say it again. If you want to find alien life, I will give you the address of my mother-in-law.

      Hendrik - 2012-01-27 07:26

      Dmitri : I think you and I must have married into the same Alien family. Regardless of what you think you know, or believe, the earth keeps on turning, Time keeps on ticking and the Lifecycle will continue incessantly, my approach is simple: Live in the moment, find value in your own life, and be good to yourself and the people who choose to share this time with you.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:26

      are u scared, D. I accept we will find alien life this yr. I also kno that yr "God" is an extraterrestrial from the 12th Planet. But then u kno that too...

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:13

      aruan999 - Unless you're typing from a cellphone, please use full words; it hurts my brain trying to read your mxit-speech :(

      Mark - 2012-01-27 19:24

      oh, good grief - Aruan is back. there's never an Aardvarkie when you need one...!

  • Fredster - 2012-01-27 07:26

    Extraterrestrial life only lives in Hollywood and in the minds of people. Stop wasting tax payers money and do something useful

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:27

      this is yr faith/belief and def not knowledge based

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:30

      Wiiliam, I wish to support yr view. If "Jesus" (its just a name and metaphorical story) came physical from somewhere and rose/went to a "heaven", this "heaven" can only be physical. The old bible and Jewish bibles refer to it as "Olam". Nibiru! The 12th planet.

      J-Man - 2012-01-27 08:36

      Exactly William... oh how much fun it will be when the life (in whatever form) etc is found..on say...mars.

      Ben - 2012-01-27 09:14

      @ Fredster69 - Wow...just wow... IF ONLY they used my tax money for things like this.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:51

      Shows how little you know Fred. moron

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-27 12:05

      @Fredster69 - You’re an absolute fool (arrogant, ignorant) if you think we’re alone in this Universe. Considering the inconceivable size of the Universe and the amount of Solar System and Galaxies out there. Do yourself a favour and maybe read a book. (Not the Bible… I mean a book with actual facts).

      Karmah - 2012-01-28 14:45

      Fredster why dont we start charging the church tax and put that money to good use?

  • Roy - 2012-01-27 07:54

    I don't agree with him on the low probability of finding multicellular organisms but it's purely an academic viewpoint. Four billion years ago, this planet was a molecular 'Garden of Eden'. Some molecules reproduced themselves inefficiently, competed for building blocks and left crude copies of themselves. With reproduction, mutation and the selective elimination of the least efficient varieties, evolution was well under way at the molecular level. Molecules got better at reproducing. Molecules with specialized functions eventually joined together making a molecular collective – the first cell. This went on for the first one billion years. By 3 billion years ago, a number of once-celled plants had joined together to form the first multi-celled organisms. Perhaps because a mutation prevented a single cell from separating after splitting in 2. And I think this can basically happen everywhere where life is possible – even Europa, Jupiter’s one moon. Every cell of your body is a kind of commune, with once free-living parts all banded together for the common good. We are, each of us, a multitude. Could this happen on say 1% of 100 billion planets (the estimated number in our galaxy). 1% is 1 billion worlds. I think it can. Unlike him I think the evolution of multicellular organisms is inevitable. However, the road to intelligence is much, much harder and riskier! And after that, high intelligence is an even harder road.

      modo - 2012-01-27 08:03

      I agree with you in that multicellular organisms must be out there, the probabilities definitely point to it. One percent of the planets though? I think you are overestimating this by quite a bit. I certainly hope that a discovery will be made in our lifetime though.

      Skeptical - 2012-01-27 08:25

      Paul believes we all came from Adam & Eve. I on the other hand I know that I do not come from the same ancestry. Wow I am lucky! Adam and Eve were a couple of nutters smoking grass in the garden of Eden. How else would you hear a snake talking too you?

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:36

      The Annunaki brought a shortcut to earth via genetic engineering. Here is the short history of earth-humans collectivly: 1. app 30,000 yrs in Lemuria, west of Hawai, spiritual life forms from the Pleiades. 2. Thereafter (after a flood made it sink) Atlantis-1. This exploded. 3. Then the Annunki got involved: 1st they "made" the pre-"man" life forms, called the Lullus; then followed "Let us make man to our own DNA!"

      Roy - 2012-01-27 08:37

      I use 1% out of 100 billion because I want to be as conservative as possible. Heck, we can even go 0.5%. That's still 500 million worlds!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:38

      Skeptical, the snake story and most biblical stories and personalities (like Jesus, Paul, Jonah, Job, etc)were metaphorical and not meant to be accepted to be historical fact.

      AntiThesis - 2012-01-27 08:41

      I agree with Roy, but one point: There is an estimated 100 billion planets in our galaxy, and about the same amount of galaxies in the universe. If we have a billion billion planets, and the probability of multicellular life existing is about 1/billion, we would have life on a billion planets in the universe. I also think that if a planet is in the goldilocks zone, given enough time, complex life must arise. The parameters of these planets is so conducive to life, that multicellular life would have to exist. Given that various things have been experimentally proven - chemical life to biological life, single celled life to multicellular life.

      Endof - 2012-01-27 08:51

      Well stated Rory, however I suspect that there will be far more than 100 billion planets in our milky way. There are estimated to be 100 billion suns, each with the potential to have one or more planets orbiting it, so it is likely that there will be significantly more planets than stars in the Milky Way. Most of the exoplanets discovered so far (over 700) are part of a local solar system, so this theory seems valid.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:55

      Totally agree with you Roy :-)

      Roy - 2012-01-27 10:00

      I get my '100 billion' from news clips which appeared in sites all over the world a few days ago: http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-milky-billion-planets-survey.html In any event, AnthiThesis is quite correct. But my focus (for now) is just in our own galaxy. If this guy is right, then the road to intelligence and then high intelligence is much, much harder because he is already constraining a critical factor which leads to the potential for later intelligence to emerge and that is multicellular organisms. Without that development 3 billion years ago and there will be none of us reading this article right now. If we look at the Drake Equation (which attempts to estimate the amount of technical civilizations in our galaxy namely N), my constraints for higher intelligence emerging on any world is much later in the equation: N = (N* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc x fL). He's constraining the factor 'fl' in the middle of the equation and in effect snuffing out any hope of higher intelligence emerging in factor 'fi'. That is his academic right of course but my own preference will be to constrain factor 'fi' (considerably) and thus be very conservative in my numbers (hence the 1% or lower). ***Note: I assume everyone is familiar with the Drake Equation and SETI. Also, every 'f' in the equation represents a fraction in which we have to perform estimates. The estimates in the first half of the equation are easy to make (in fact, they're not even estimates anymore).

      malibho - 2012-01-27 10:00

      Even 0.5% is high. How do you get this probability?

      modo - 2012-01-27 10:08

      Roy, my point is 1% is not very conservative at all, neither is 0.5%. As AntiThesis stated, it is closer to 1 in a billion, which is 0.0000001%. But with the massive sample size we have it is still inevitable.

      malibho - 2012-01-27 10:13

      The probability of a planet existing with similar conditions as earth is the same as the probability that someone else has my fingerprint.

      AntiThesis - 2012-01-27 10:15

      Quite right Roy. People should also note the massive difference between life, and sentient or intelligent life. Life might be in abundance in the universe, but not so for sentient life.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 10:18

      Modo: absolutely, use your own estimates in the Drake Equation and see what you come up with. But I try to stay conservative and I think 1% (for factor 'fl') is very reasonable. A nice round number. Anyway, try it out. But the critical point is this: do we constrain 'fl' very heavily or only mildly? I'm more on the 'milder' side while this guy is not.

      Endof - 2012-01-27 10:38

      Roy, The Drake equation, while still useful for primitive life models, is now considered outdated as a model for complex life, as research shows that things like planetary plate tectonics also have a large influence on the viability of complex life evolving. Either way, I still think that life of some form is relatively abundant in our galaxy given the results that these equations produce.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 11:14

      EndOf: I agree. The equation is merely a tool and has been upgraded many times since its inception 50 years ago. It merely gives us some tentative numbers. Of course, bringing plate tectonics into this as another factor is just that: something else we need to consider in our deliberations. Thus, on a super Earth (say one 4* our size in mass) and covered, say, 75% with water (and there are several such candidates already), would plate tectonics be present on such a world? I would imagine, yes, probably...

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:24

      Do all these calculations really matter? I mean, all we need is one other (preferably intelligent) life form to satisfy the demands of the skeptics. If there are two life forms, found on two unconnected worlds, then it stands to reason and logic that life exists elsewhere in the universe...actually, from my point of view, simply because life exists (in abundance) on Earth that is more than evidence (for me) that life exists elsewhere in the universe. Thinking for a second that we are the ONLY life (intelligent or otherwise) in a galaxy with 100 billion stars in a universe of 100 billion galaxies (ballpark figures, don't quote me on them, lol) is self-centered arrogance of the highest order.

      Mark - 2012-01-28 18:56

      @aruan999: go home, buddy - your planet needs you

  • seymore.butt - 2012-01-27 08:15

    Of course they will. Now that we have sent rovers and every other object contaminated with earthly life to other planets they will grow and be found again as an astonishing discovery!

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-01-27 10:08

      You really don't know what goes into launching a probe.

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:38

      Clean Room: A cleanroom is an environment, typically used in manufacturing or scientific research, that has a low level of environmental pollutants such as dust, airborne microbes, aerosol particles and chemical vapors. In addition, all space faring agencies including the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) have planetary protection policies in place that test for biological contamination of spacecraft surfaces during assembly, testing and launch operations. Finally, to better test for the complete spectrum of organisms, it's practice to archive all organisms present on spacecraft and clean room surfaces as well as using molecular methods to improve phylogenic assessment of the microbes. In lay man's terms: Any "life" they detect is first checked against their archives to ensure that the microbes are not of Earth-origin. These people are a lot smarter than you or I. Ergo, I call troll.

      Karmah - 2012-01-28 14:50

      @seymore.. should that happen ( by the way it won't) They will be able to prove it's "earth based" life forms.

  • timmy.ditsele - 2012-01-27 08:31

    all pointers point to 21/12/2012 NOT THE MOVIE,i think personally,the world will not end,as in the end of the world but contact will be made by beings different from us and the man upstairs will loose his job.the beginning of new thinking for the new world order.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:45

      Jeeeeuuii, Timmy. I guess 21:12:12 is the BIRTH OF THE NEW EARTH-HUMAN (in consciousness). I surmise that part of it is that we will get contact with life forms from other parts of the Universe. We will become universal beings, which is our birth right. I guess Nibiru will make contact with us before this date. U kno king, "God-the-Father" Anu died!?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:58

      Let's hope so. The end of religion would be a great day indeed.

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:43

      On 15 April 1912, the Titantic struck a giant icecube and sunk to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, killing 1600 people. This year, the 15th of April 2012 marks the 100th anniversary of this tragic accident. Because of this obvious connection, it must mean that another ocean liner is going to sink or the world is going to end (either or, depends if you're a pessimist or optimist). See, I can do it too. Although, to be fair, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you're trolling, :P But, if you're not, then: take your jibber-jabber elsewhere. :)

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 20:07

      Wesley, u are touching on the most important aspect, ie, the rule of the extraterrestrial God & gods and their religion will be ended, hopefully during 2012...before 21:12:12. The ex Annunaki most def will have to do with it. Since the death of king, "God-the-Father" Anu, the new reign of Nibiru, under New King, Enlil (ex God-of-the-Earth)do not want to control other life forms, which includes us.

  • Andre - 2012-01-27 08:39

    As always, Crap comments that has nothing to do with the article ! Get a life !

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:46

      i enjoy this, Andre. Grant us the space

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:43

      aruan999: I see what you did there, lol.

  • markus.botha - 2012-01-27 08:45

    Give life half a chance and it will find a way to survive. Scientist have found bacteria in radioactive waste, sulfuric acid, even at the bottom of the ocean where there is no sunlight. I believe that there might possibly be microbial life at the poles of mars, in the volcanic vents of Jupiter's moon Calypso, and most likely in the oceans of Jupiter's ice moon Europa (near the core).

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 08:54

      and in our sea we will find HUMAN life; under the earth there is HUMAN life, etc.

      Endof - 2012-01-27 09:27

      Aruan, if you have nothing of any vague intelligence or relevance to say then rather keep quiet and take your medication please.

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-01-27 10:16

      Great comment, just one small correction. Europa, the moon of Jupiter, is thought to have a layer of water about 100km thick, forming the frozen upper crust and a liquid ocean beneath that crust. Europa's water, if it exists, is nowhere near the core. See Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_(moon)

      Roy - 2012-01-27 11:34

      Yes, correct. Europa is a prime candidate for future exploration and there are plans to do just that in the next few years. Other candidates in our own Solar System are Mars (obviously) and Titan, Saturn's mysterious and (very) large moon...

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 09:49

    400 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars. I think it's more of a certainty that life exists out there. Life will thrive where it can, and im sure there are ample suitable environments scattered across the universe.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-27 14:48

      And who says there are civilisations out there that are more technologically advanced than us, hmm? Maybe we are the most advanced. Ever think of THAT?

      Endof - 2012-01-27 15:51

      Wesley, it certainly is one possibility that we are the most advanced, but I very much doubt it. Considering that humans have been around in our present iteration for only about 250 000 years, I think there is a far greater possibility that in a universe that is 13.7 billion years old, that some other civilisation beat us to our present position and may well be several hundred thousand if not several million years ahead of us technologically.

      Karmah - 2012-01-28 14:53

      It could be Wesley but i think its very Naive and foolish to believe that...

  • TheSkepticDetective - 2012-01-27 10:05

    What a terrible article, another massive FAIL for Duncan Alfreds. Absolutely nothing new and a catchy title that is not properly addressed. Perhaps you should have called it "how to look for exo-planets" and saved yourselves the embarrassment of yet another Alfreds Howler. Your two opening paragraphs briefly mention an astronomer's opinions on the likelihood of extraterrestrial life (fair opinions) but you never address her assertion that multi-cellular life will not be found. This is a broad statement that she, and you, can't possibly hope to defend. Utter rubbish!

      Roy - 2012-01-27 10:20

      I though that is exactly what we're doing here. And we're doing it using an estimation tool.

  • raath - 2012-01-27 10:18

    Don't get me wrong, I am all for space exploration and for technological advances made through man's endevours to get into space, but I think it is a bit unnecessary that they spend so much money and effort on finding life outside our grasps. This satirical blog post puts it nicely: http://kaiserraath.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/nasa-found-habitable-planet-planning-missions/

      Karmah - 2012-01-28 14:55

      And you think its totally neccasary to go to war and waste trillions killing innocent people? I would rather have my money wasted on knowladge than killing thank you very much.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-27 10:19

    Smoke and mirror, don't you think its time to come clean and tell the truth about the search for intelligent life and what was found and has been known since the 60's??

      Victor - 2012-01-27 10:33

      What has been known since the 60's? References?

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-01-27 10:33

      and what would that be?

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:48

      That aliens landed / crashed / were shot down by a hillbilly hick with a shotgun and were captured by the Americans and taken to Area 51 and dissected and their technology reverse engineered; giving humanity a burst in medicinal and technological achievements that everyone has equated with war, in particular WWII. :D Edit: Fixed typo.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-27 10:42

    I love the way so called intelligent people get bogged down in details when fighting about religion, it shows a lot about their intelligence levels and ability, or lack thereof, to understand basic concepts. @Godfrey - take the next step, the Bible is written by a primitive culture according to their own understanding of events for which they have no point of reference. something like somebody who has never seen or heard of an airplane trying to describe one to someone else. When read using their understanding it becomes a lot clearer and easier to understand. @ Delusion - take the next step as well, accept and acknowledge that no matter how much merit you statement makes it overlooks the fact that a little over 400 years ago Scientific consensus (and here we are talking about the scientific peer review board of the day still insisted that the earth was flat and that the sun orbited the earth which was the center of the universe. The bottom line people is that we can sit here and argue as much as we like but in reality science cannot prove that religion is not real anymore than religion can prove that it is and visa versa. There are many religions that all have a common thread, the thread is what matters not the way man has rewritten the book to fit his own need for control and subservience as the church did. Man has a basic need to believe in something even if that belief is the lack of religion or a higher power of a "god" like being.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 10:52

      Why are we debating religion now? "little over 400 years ago Scientific consensus (and here we are talking about the scientific peer review board of the day still insisted that the earth was flat and that the sun orbited the earth which was the center of the universe." So what? Science is a self-correcting discipline

      Victor - 2012-01-27 10:55

      And by the way - why aim your comment at the non-religious? Take aim at the religious zealots like Fredster69, Paul and Charmaine. This is an article about science. When people come and pollute the comments with fairy-tale crap the "intelligent people" as you call them have every right to take them on.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 11:18

      Agree Victor. Let's keep the weak-minded stuff out of here. Heck, wonder what the fundamentalists will do or say when we make contact with one or more highly technical civilizations in our galactic neighbourhood (say in a spherical radius of 2000 light years from us - there are millions of stars in such a large area) for whom the word 'God' does not exist.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 11:24

      Ludlowdj: I believe it was the church itself who 'promoted' (let's use this word in polite conversation shall we?) the idea of the Geocentric universe (where the earth is the center of the universe and man is the 'crowning achievement' in it). I think it was also known as the Ptolemaic centered worldview. It is science itself that destroyed this in the awakening Renaissance (but at great cost to the initial pioneers of the Heliocentric-based View which we have now adopted). But since then it has become clear that there is nothing 'special' about man, the Earth or this galaxy for that matter. Heck, what a demotion!

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 11:59

      I do not believe that "god" is omnipotent, omniscient, or that he has magical powers, or that he sent his only son to Earth etc etc etc. I do however, believe that "god" was a lifeform that came to earth thousands of years ago and instructed (visited) humanity in certain aspects, perhaps even modifying the human genome to give us a better chance at survival. I do believe that "god" had advanced technology which humanity of the time could not understand nor comprehend ("any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"). I do believe that Jesus existed. However, there is a crux. Jesus was said to turn water to wine, make blind people see, walk on water. The crux is, on the one hand these are simply fanciful stories created by mankind to make Jesus appear more "godly", on the other, Jesus was an alien lifeform, disguised as a human being that could turn water to wine (teleportation?), make blind people see (highly advanced medicine/technology) and walk on water (hover boots :D). I'm willing to accept that "god" was an alien lifeform, over him being a giant all seeing all knowing and all loving space wizard. To me, my interpretation is far more closer to the truth than what a 2,000 year old badly translated book written by primitive man, tells us. :)

      AntiThesis - 2012-01-27 12:28

      skootzie, what do you base your belief on?

      Lanfear - 2012-01-27 13:16

      @ skootzie - yes, and perhaps the lore in Predators vs Aliens is correct i.e. that the Predators landed on earth, humans as cattle for the Aliens to breed so that they could then hunt the aliens. LOL!

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 13:22

      I don't believe in magic nor the supernatural. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth. In my view, I have eliminated the impossible; that the world was created by a supernatural being for a species it also created for no purpose (except perhaps boredom). I live in the world of science and reality; magic and the supernatural belong in fiction. Hence why, when you put scientific definitions/answers/suppositions to the writings of ancient texts, you get something that eerily resembles a close encounter with ET. And considering my standpoint on life in the universe; it's only natural for me to make the link between God and Aliens. I can't recall the documentaries I watched on DSTV Discovery, but one of them included a text that says a man was taken from the banks of a river, by a giant chariot of fire, to heaven. If you break that down, and apply scientific and modern logic; you get a man that was abducted by a spacecraft. It's important to note that people wrote things as they saw them and used words they knew for objects they knew not. Thusly, chariot (an object that carries people) of fire (reentry burn). There are ancient Indian texts that speak of giant flying cities, there are even images depicting them. Our ancient history is riddled with references to "visitations" by "gods" (read: aliens). Is it not then reasonable to assume that "god" was such an alien? One who visited earth and encouraged mankind's intellectual thought?

      AntiThesis - 2012-01-27 13:40

      skootzie, I just wanted you to say as much in your own words. In other words, what you believe is based on absolute bollocks.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 13:43

      skootzie: "I don't believe in magic nor the supernatural. Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth" IMHO not impossible, but highly improbable. You sure you did not watch a show called "Ancient Aliens"? Check the credentials of the show - widely seen as pseudo science

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 15:01

      It seems I may have phrased my statement incorrectly. Please note that this is not a change of what I said but merely an explanation since there seems to be some confusion. What I have posted is not an indication that I believe what I said to be TRUE, but rather an explanation of something that holds the POSSIBILITY of being true. It is an opinion (which is a form of belief, get a dictionary if you don't believe me) formed through a process of reasonable and logical deduction encouraged by a series of documentaries purporting the POSSIBILITY that what ancient man encountered was NOT a god like being but rather simply a visitor from another planet and PHRASED in a way that man of THAT era could put into words (IE: they had no word for spacecraft, so they used chariot instead). Again, I ask, is it not reasonable to hypothesize that "gods" were in fact "aliens"? If not, why not? Substantiate your negative reactions instead of simply attempting to insult me (Lanfear, that was to you). Mock me if you like (makes no difference to me), but where do you get off thinking that my supposition holds any less merit than say, a religion? Neither can be proven nor denied; yet, from my atheism and the way my mind works, I am more inclined to believe god was an intelligent life form as opposed to a powerful deity.

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 15:03

      AntiThesis: Prove that it is bollocks. Oh wait, you can't. Schrödinger's cat. See above post.

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 15:06

      Victor : Pseudo-science though it may be, is it so wrong (apparently it is, lol) to assume that aliens visited us thousands of years ago? I don't think so. Is it so wrong to assume that ancient man believed aliens to be gods (because man couldn't grasp/understand advanced technology therefore it must be magic and/or god-like powers beyond human understanding)? I don't think so. *shrug* My post was a supposition, a possibility of what could be. It's a possibility I prefer over a powerful god-being. :)

      skootzie - 2012-01-27 15:10

      Victor: Ancient Aliens sounds familiar; it may have been one of the doccies that I watched.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 20:36

      jou ervare intelligensie hierin kom duidelik vanuit Durbs na vore. Voorspoed. Net nie reaksioner word nie! Groete

      AntiThesis - 2012-01-30 08:36

      skootzie, the alien hypothesis is analogous to religion on so many levels, but it seems the aliens "left" no scripture. In a possibilian world-view, it is possible, but highly improbable. Any sufficiently advanced (alien) civilization would have to be peaceful, and mentally, intellectually and technologically orders of magnitude more advanced than our civilization, otherwise they are a contradiction. Nevertheless, I dismiss the alien hypothesis on the same grounds that I dismiss religion, and therefore I don't have to prove anything, because - that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-27 11:37

    @endof: u here again? U a doctor today? Drs need med too, u kno. And a bogey dr needsw a hell of an amount of meds...but that I kno of u. And a new name each day, hey, G? Rev 13: the Beast will come from the Sea...

      Endof - 2012-01-27 15:56

      Did you manage to get one arm out of the straightjacket?...hence the typing?

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 19:55

      Gunther Jurgens KOtze! as mad as they come!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:13

      do a search of this maddie Gunther Jurgens KOtze on Facebook as well as Google/search engine and decide for yrself

      Mark - 2012-01-28 19:13

      Aruan: it's been fun, but you are becoming tiresome to normal people. lots of love from Gunther

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 20:41

      endof...End of Faith: u & I not far away from each other, but yr DELUSION, My Buster, is yr PROBLEM. Or is it yr massive narcism (actually anti-narcism) hiding behind a moustage?

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 21:29

      Endof: u are a narcist with a minority complex hiding behind a moustache. Here are a few of yr typings, as DELUSION, oompie Delusion Buster, DB, of Sunnyside, Pertooria:: ..., "CATHERDRAL" or any other..."SUPERSITION"... Yes, I know u know a straight jacket. But why fight? Is yr minority complex getting the better of u again?

      aruan999 - 2012-01-29 18:38

      Endof, I note u called in yr pseudo DELUSION to help u out. Lekka this internet razzamataz, u can back yrself up with another name...the dance of the maddies, who think no one will/can spot the self back-up trick, taught by them satanists. I wonder about u Old Man. I wonder. Let me guess: you will now move nearer headquarters, call in DB! DB= Deluded Bloke!

      Endof - 2012-01-30 10:13

      Ah Delusion, my alter ego, or should I call you Gunther?...Wait, maybe I'm Gunther!! This is making my head spin! No wonder I went to bed the other night and woke up as an old man in Sunnyside without any recollection of how I got there...or was it you that woke up there?! At first I thought I was a narcist, but then realised that I was actually an anti-narcist (apparently). This split-personality gig is really confusing!

  • Stephen - 2012-01-27 13:09

    There are no experts in this field, were dying for an answer to this question, but we haven’t even checked out our own back yard yet. Relax boys and girls; it could take 10's of thousands of years for an answer.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 13:40

      But there are experts in the field of exobiology (a mainstream science subject by the way). What about Seth Shostak? Senior astronomer at the SETI Institute. My idol.

      Stephen - 2012-01-27 14:12

      Ok Roy I'm just a pub scientist, exobiology? Life outside the earth? We haven’t found none yet, so he's having a good guess I would think. Who's heading SETI these days? Paul Davies? He's also very sceptical about finding anything soon, new book “the eerie silence”

      Roy - 2012-01-27 14:23

      Yes, I know. Busy reading Davis's book in my holiday. Makes for a riveting read! Yip, Exobiology is a subset of Astrobiology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrobiology

  • Eish - 2012-01-27 13:20

    Could ET hurry up and zap me off this stupid money and power besotted planet! I can do dishes and mop floors for room and board on one of them spacecraft!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 19:54

      things will change before end Dec 2012!

      timelord - 2012-01-28 10:57

      me and you bro ...... don't forget your towel :)

  • Andre - 2012-01-27 13:21

    If you have 3 minutes to spare, try to read "They're made of meat". It's a short story by Terry Bisson. It won't take you longer than 3 minutes to finish it.

      Roy - 2012-01-27 13:32

      As for 'Sandor' above - it will take him ten hours.

      Victor - 2012-01-27 13:44

      Roy LMAO!

  • Craig - 2012-01-27 16:07

    ET found us already!

  • Candice - 2012-01-27 16:15

    Aliens exist, I just don't think they came millions of light years just to see earth. Be like driving 1000 km's to go to Primrose

      barry.mcbride - 2012-01-27 18:00

      Of course we exist earthling, not only in your four-dimensional state of mind/reality but within others such as the timeless one where distance is immaterial. Anyway, we’ll chat again yesterday!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 19:58

      Candice, the following are very much associated and tied to us earth-humans: the Pleiadeans, the Nibiruans, the Sirians, those of the Galactic Organization.

  • Nico - 2012-01-27 16:55

    So lets go looking for it!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 19:59

      why, they are with us: we just can't see them from our 3-D bound perceptive. Things will change during 2012.

  • janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-01-27 17:59

    The best proof we have that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe, is exactly that they *haven't* tried to contact us :-D

      aruan999 - 2012-01-27 20:01

      wait! wait! wait! We may not (due to paradigm constriction...of a "snake") contact them. But many do, via mind contact. See as an eg spiritlibrary.com

  • hein.huyser - 2012-01-28 00:59

    Science can't see a life in a mothers womb (and kill it without thinking twice), but go and look for it millions of miles away and call it progress?

      Bobo - 2012-01-28 12:08

      @ Hein : No use we get into discussions with "Enlightened Scientists" The Faith factor is absent in "their" universe....Everything still well in the group.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:16

      Bobo, faith is not facts, nor meant to be. We either believe or talk facts.

  • Engela - 2012-01-28 06:26

    The universe is bigger then we can imagine, we can't be that ignorant to think we are the only ones! There will be other life out there not necessary anything like humans, and just because other planets dont' have resources to sustain human life doens't mean that whatever lives on other planets needs the same resources we do!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:23

      Engela, pansperia (a scientific term) says we are the seeds out of space, or pre-life. We are mainly from the Pleiades, Sirus and Nibiru (the Annunaki). Go to spiritlibrary.com or a search engine and do search on Kryon, the angel group guiding us from There since 1987...the Contact, of which there are many. I u can read Afrikaans, go to Facebook, Donald Herman (senior!) or nuwe-aarde.co.za/index.html

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:24

      read Kryon "History of humanity" and DNA.

  • Engela - 2012-01-28 07:08

    What is going on with you people??? Your comments are ignorant and stupid!! Xavier you were the first to comment and that with a racist comment, but as soon as Patrick made the same racist type comment you all jump on him!!! It's the ignorance and arrongance of the white man that got him where he is now, why must every article turn into a racist or religious debate, you who did this are just pathetic and make me laugh!!!! I sense it's because you have no general knowledge all you can do is be racist and slander each other, i suggest turning back to God and see how your lives improve, mine is great because i worship the King of Kings the creator of this universe!! Nough said this is probably to much for your little brains to sink in!!!

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 15:30

      Engela, i support what u say. To be an expert in internet is easy, as no rules apply. Any idiot can make out to be a master of any subject. Many use pseudo names to hide their true identity, as they wish not to be known what their main aim is. By the way, Satanist love and use this method to divide. Re "God": I find "God" to be an IDEA put in and over us by the Annunaki, who are still controlling us via the God IDEA, many other IDEAS and dividing IDEAS via POLARIZATION. We will soon be freed from this.

  • timelord - 2012-01-28 10:51

    i cant wait till this happens ,

  • Louise - 2012-01-28 13:47

    hugest hugest lol!!! Waaaaaahahahahahahahahaha....

  • phillip.havenga - 2012-01-28 15:55

    Patrick, walk outside and find the nearest highway, when you see a large truck approaching lay down in front of it. Now that would be a contribution as opposed to the drivel you spew.

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-28 16:34

    William, re THE PHYSICAL "Jesus": 1. there was no such a physical person! Invented as myth, 327 AC, by the Romans, at Nicaea, based on the Babilonian Mithra (son of God Ahura Mazda, of Babilonia, who the Israelites heard during their exile in Babilonia, late 500's before Christ), which in turn was based on the Buddha story: by the way, Buddha was the most advanced human in our history. 2. Also from Babilonia comes the Idea of Son-of-God, as well as "the Devil, Agra Maynu: this landed in the New Testament, under different names. 3. The basis of this stems from Zoroaster, from Babilon, who also believed in one God, Ahura Mazda. 4. This and much more accepted by the Israelites whilst in Babilonia, and therefater (in Christianity)as their "God" JHWH, disappeared app 582 BC, without saying goodbye and a trace. By the way, he is still gone/missing today. He now says via me he is on his parent planet, the home of God and gods, Nibiru, where he is still concerned about earth-humans. 4. His father, king Anu, king of Nibiru, who gave himself the title of "God-the-Father" has passed over, and the new king, his uncle, ENLIL (was known as EL, "God-of-earth), wants no more CONTROL over other life forms, which includes earth-humans: although earth-humans do not at present want to hear of it, they wish us to be freed from their CONTROL IN THE NAME OF THE GOD IDEA. 5. It seems that the passing over of king Anu, known as "God-the-Father" is the birth of the huge change for earth-humans.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 17:03

      6. in the process of creating a PHYSICAL “Jesus”, the later bible compilers, the Roman Catholic Church, the Reformation movement and various other who came into CONTROL of Christianity changed and adapted the original Nicaia Jesus myth to be physical, as they understood it...hopefully in good faith, but not always. They understood this Hesus-Krishna (the original name) to be physical, so they made (changed scripture…a heck of a lot!) that their “Jesus” (a very much later name) was physical, was physically crucified, rose physically from his grave, walk physically to meet persons here-and-there, rose on a physical cloud, went to a physical “heaven” (our Heaven no 1), sits in that physical “heaven”, from where he allegedly will “come again”, on a physical cloud, to lead us into Armageddon, a physical war (no more peace, NOW ONLY WAR!!! which brings out the true, basic Arabic origin of the Revelations book!), after which the few who survive this terrible, physical experience will rise with the physical Jesus to the physical heaven, from where they will come back physically some day to rule the word physically, for ever more. 7. This very physical IDEA, coming from Zoroasterism of Babilonia, forms the basis of the end misleading of the Christian Bible. There is NO PLACE FOR A NON-PHYSICAL HEAVEN (our Heaven no 2) in this view. 8. It ensures that we will always fight each other…physical approach versus spiritual approach.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 17:59

      9. On the one side we have an IDEA of a PHYSICAL “Jesus” in a PHYSICAL “HEAVEN” preparing for a PHYSICAL ARMAGEDDON WAR. 10. On the other side, we have a Yeshua-ben-Josep, from Israel, who passed over at age 71, in France (so he says to me), he rose spiritually from his body at “death” ( as we all do!) and passed on to a SPIRITUAL congregation place, our “Heaven”-2 (to which we all go!), and no physical aspect is applicable, definitely no war, and definitely no physical “coming-again”. He has been back (the same basic energy), many times, before he was Yeshua-ben-Josep and thereafter: HE IS HERE now too, once again! 11. The IDEA of God was a conning IDEA of the Annunaki-Nibiruans to CONTROL us earth-humans. They now are/want to free us, together with all of the Galactic Federation, to becoming eternal civilians of Eternality…the Eternal Life Energy…truly UNIVERSAL BEINGS! 12. The Nibiruans are working with our other group life grandparents, mainly the Pleiadeans and the Sirians, to bring earth-humans to freedom from the CONTROL BINDINGS/POSSESSION of long ago, after which we shall become universal citizens/beings, with vast abilities not even dreamt of at the present moment of CONTROL. 13. It is already possible to contact these life forms via the MIND.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 18:28

      14. I only have this mostly in Afrikaans, on my site nuwe-aarde.co.za/index.html. Please read FALSE ORIGINS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT there. My E-mail: don999@webmail.co.za . Correspondence welcome. I am however now in Namibia, and temp internet costs are expensive and limited: I am in the desert!

  • aruan999 - 2012-01-28 21:32

    Endof: u are a narcist with a minority complex hiding behind a moustache. Here are a few of yr typings, as DELUSION, oompie Delusion Buster, DB, of Sunnyside, Pertooria:: ..., "CATHERDRAL" or any other..."SUPERSITION"... Yes, I know u know a straight jacket. But why fight? Is yr minority complex getting the better of u again?

  • Lesley - 2012-01-28 22:32

    I wish that we could meet aliens as I believe that there are people out there in other solar systems who look like us but are not stupid like the humans on earth. The human race does not wnat to accept that they might not be the brightest light on this planet. It would burst their bubble of superiority.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-28 23:45

      Lesley, from the Spiritual World they guide/say that we can make "contact" with any dimensional life form. Why not start with the 4th, our Spiritual World? The Pleiadeans are around and easily contactable. I, without asking, had and have contact with Prince Ishkur, from Nibiru, who was JHWH in the olden days, and left earth 552 BC. Guides/contactees say we shall soon freely contact multi-dimensionally. Why not try?

  • Deejavu82 - 2012-01-28 23:48

    people that don't believe in aliens have not mentally evolved yet :(

      aruan999 - 2012-01-29 00:05

      they do not have to "believe", just accept the possibility and be open to it. I suppose that is what u are getting at. Our people are being brainwashed by olden IDEAS, extraterrestrial bindings to not question, and the ease of no knowledge hiding behind a shortcut religious belief system, which is long outdated. We all shall be convinced of "alien" existence during 2012!

  • Michael Woody Wood - 2012-01-29 00:56

    I just love google/wikipedia experts.

      aruan999 - 2012-01-29 01:12

      Mike, I hope they back up what I wrote.

  • Vanessa - 2012-01-29 09:33

    This article does say in OUR solar system. Bear in mind our solar system is only one of many in our galaxy, that is also only one of many galaxies. To dismiss the possibility of life on other planets in other galaxies that we cannot even travel too is unrealistic, what makes our planet so special?

  • Etienne - 2012-01-29 10:26

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyDzwOlxLTc

  • Wim - 2012-01-30 18:12

    Now I don't get this.If Darwin has demonstrated, as the guy alludes, that all life sprang from a single source, then surely, if theory holds, that DIMINISHES the chance of finding life elsewhere. On our ideal planet all hitherto observed life sprang from a source that arose ONLY ONCE and is thus related.If we cannot find unrelated life under the wide variety of conditions under our noses, how in universe can we expect to find it elsewhere with the not insubstantial burden of distance? Utterances like these are sentimental, not scientific.

  • Zion - 2012-02-01 07:37

    Just another perspective: The scientists and astronomists are of the opinion that there is life on other planets. Good. That may be so. Assume life is found on a planet 100 light years from Planet Earth. And we see in our nuclear telescopes these little red men running around on that planet. Good. Senjdingthem an Email will take a 100 years to reach them and another hundred years to receive their reply. Not so good. In order to visit these little red men would take several centuries because the rocket ship must accelerate to a high speed and close to about half the speed of light to even make the trip viable. Ok, so we know there is life out here but can basically do nothing about it. The only thing we can do about it is to spend billions just to know. All we can gain is to admit: "There is life out there"

      Bobo - 2012-02-14 16:47

      Well Said ! Zion. On the other hand I`t could verry be that those little red men discovered us 1000 yrs ago and wanted to come and have a look for themselves.When they arrived here a few years ago they crash landed in Roswell...The survivors then became polititians...LOL.

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