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God particle announcement soon

2012-07-02 14:51

Geneva - An imminent announcement on the so-called "God particle" is expected when scientists at European Organisation for Nuclear Research (Cern) meet on Wednesday.

Management at the Cern particle physics research centre expect a ‘five sigma’ level of certainty before announcing the discovery of the ‘God particle’ at a press conference on Wednesday.

Reuters reports that a ‘five sigma’ certainty is required to be sure that there is less than one in a million chance that the results are a fluke.

Two research teams, Atlas and CMS, are working independently to identify the "God particle", also called the Higgs boson.

The Guardian reports that last year Atlas identified a 2.9 sigma bump in its data while CMS obtained a 3.1 sigma Higgs.

Many physicists regard the Higgs boson as one of the keys to understanding the universe.

The identification of the Higgs boson depends on the existence of Higgs field. This is an energy field which exists throughout the universe.

The smallest component of the Higgs field is the Higgs boson and it is this ‘particle’ which interacts with other particles in the universe to give them mass.

With the use of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Cern, physicists recreate conditions just after the Big Bang by colliding two beams head-on at very high energies.

The collisions produce particles which are analysed using special detectors. As yet, no one has observed the Higgs boson to confirm the theory.


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  • Stille - 2012-07-02 15:19

    Let me guess...the naming of this particle will be offensive to some and they will demand it be called a non particle....lol

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 16:11

      Only the media calls this the 'God' particle to work everyone up into a state... The only time a physicist ever called it the God particle was as a joke shortening of then name 'God dammit' particle because it's proved so hard to find.

      Stille - 2012-07-02 16:33

      Yes, and a suppose tongue in cheek humour is very elusive to some.....

  • almeleh - 2012-07-02 15:19

    Should be interesting.

  • nrgx.nrg - 2012-07-02 15:38

    definitely interesting...this could change science as we know it

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 16:14

      No, this won't change science at all. Finding this particle will just finally prove that our current particle theory is correct, has been a huge missing link in our understanding so far. However if it has been found it brings up the question where is it's anti-particle....

      Tommy - 2012-07-02 16:28

      Scott, I thought this "God particle" is the "anti-particle" they were looking for. I agree with what you are saying though, it will only confirm theories put on the table by scientists, that's all.

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 16:42

      The Higgs Boson (God particle to the media) is the particle that gives all other particles mass, once they find it the question becomes where is its anti-particle the particle that gives 'not' mass or negative mass. Sounds daft but all other particles have anti-particles(ie;- give an opposite effect eg:- electron/proton) and all these effects have been observed but no force has been found that is the opposite of gravity so the question becomes where is this force and then where is its particle.

      Tommy - 2012-07-02 16:45

      TA

  • jman.man.71 - 2012-07-02 15:47

    Finally some Proof. We're hopefully getting another step closer in ridding our planet of this crazyness called religion

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-02 16:11

      IF the "God particle" is discovered, it doesnt disprove the existance of God...

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-02 16:30

      As I said...one step at a time.

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 16:41

      E=MC2 Nor does it disprove the Tooth Fairy, eh?

      vitor.mosca - 2012-07-03 08:07

      jman, that is such myopic thinking. Keep in mind that the 'anti-particle' of crazy fanatic hate religion, has given billions of human beings hope and peace since the dawn of time. Why the heck would you want to take that away from them?

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 08:40

      @ Vitor - Hope and Peace? Have you seen the state of the "Hope and Peace" caused by religion on our planet lately? Give me a break. Religion is the biggest contributor to / cause of war in history.

      vitor.mosca - 2012-07-03 09:18

      Yea sure jman. Blame the hate and war on those blood thirsty Buddhist monks in Tibet. And the anarchy caused by the Christian pastor who has chosen to live amongst the poorest of the poor, to feed them and offer them hope. What about the Jewish prisoner in the concentration camp, whose only peace and comfort was his god? Evil all of them! You see the other side of the coin?

      vitor.mosca - 2012-07-03 09:46

      Hehe!MemeMan, love your logic! It's just that alcohol dulls and numbs the pain for a short while, and then comes the hangover! The other can sustain and motivate for a lifetime. But taking your example, just because certain people abuse alcohol, doesn't mean we have to ban it or despise those who use it responsibly.

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 10:02

      @ Vitor - I see it yes. But come on Buddhist Monks? Buddhism is one of the VERY few religions I don't have a problem with. They keep to their own, and don't bother anyone else. No, I'm blaming it on the real aggressively in your face religions...like christianity and islam...those who "kill in the name of (MY) god". Just read up on the History of Wars..and who was fighting who..and why.

      vitor.mosca - 2012-07-03 10:09

      Hey MemeMan, I totally get you... and agree. It's just that the ugliness of certain depraved groups of people sometimes completely drown out the silent hundreds of millions of good people, leading good honest lives, who love their god. So going back to jman's comment, ridding the planet of religion is not the answer.

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-02 15:53

    The only bang is going to be the experiment ending up in flames, followed by a statement - we are sorry, it is impossible, only a sovereign higher power (God Almighty) can create matter. .

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-02 16:08

      Yes. And snakes can talk. And the world is flat. And red haired women are witches. Whatever.

      E=MC2 - 2012-07-02 16:12

      jman... your ignorance is actually amuzing

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 16:17

      They are not attempting to create matter, they are attempting to find out what matter is made of... And besides you clearly have no knowledge of physics as the base law of all physics is that matter/energy and information(maybe, got to wait for Hawking to publish his new book) can neither be created or destroyed only changed from one form to another. If this wasn't the case pretty much all laws of physics would collapse and most things we take for granted would not work...

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-02 16:22

      Thanks Prof Kirby. Anyway, actually don't care much for man's feeble efforts to be proclaimed as creator. As for Hawking, shame poor man. Truly hopes he meets his creator (and it is not some machine)

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-02 16:31

      Ok E=MC. Thanks for "enlightening" me.

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 16:41

      E=MC2 and your spelling is laughable.

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 16:45

      @Tiaan Liebenberg I think you should stick to talking snakes and sticks. You are out of your depth in the Sci-Tech section. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

      Tommy - 2012-07-02 16:53

      Wonder where he got that from Zaatheist. Even a fool, when he holds his peace, is counted wise: and he that shuts his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-02 17:09

      @ Tiaan "I am no physicist" - you don;t say... "but do know that the clever people have tried for very long to be clever" - you mean like the 'clever people' that invented the computer you're using? "but realised they are not that clever. So they concluded that those who were not so clever from the beginning must surely be even less clever-er!" - WTF does this even mean? Rather take zaatheist's advice...its getting sad.

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-07-02 17:24

      just keep telling yourself that tiaan, maybe it will become true

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 17:39

      Sorry Tiaan just trying to educate...

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 17:51

      @Tiaan Dear. Dear. You are out of your depth. "i don't believe in nothing." But you do. You believe in things without evidence. In fact you believe in things despite evidence to the contrary. Believing in the non-existent is believing in nothng. Believe me.

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-02 18:02

      @jman - having a good chuckle now. It was a mere attempt at thought provoking humour. My issue is with scientists that believe they have the power to create. And its true, by establishing that there is some sort of original particle does not denounce the existence of Eloheim Almighty. Contrary - it only confirms His existence because where did that particle originate from?

      huck.starr - 2012-07-02 18:28

      TIAAN YOU ARE RIGHT. WE GOD FEARING CHRISTIANS MUST STAND TOGETHER AND DEFEND OUR FAITH AGAINST THESE EVIL SCIENTISTS EVOLUTIONISTS. THEY KNOW THAT GOD CREATED EVERYTHING SO THEY MAKE UP SCIENCY STUFF TO JUST MAKE MONEY FOR THEMSELEVES. ITS THE GOD PARTICLE BECOS GOD MADE IT.

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-02 18:28

      @Kirby - sincere apologies. Thanks

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-02 18:30

      @za(don't believe nothing) - by inductive reasoning, if I believe you, you don't exist then?

      gawie.vandermerwe.7 - 2012-07-02 18:50

      Tiaan, this is a friendly explanation from my point of view. No real scientist tries to be clever. It is not about that at all. We are interested to understand the world and universe, how it all works. We approach this by presupposing that it is understandable and that having the right concepts, processes and instruments we can understand more and more and, who knows, eventually arrive at a complete understanding. Also, scientists do not create things. Technologists and engineers use the information provided by science to create.

      chikunga - 2012-07-02 18:52

      zaatheist always telling people they are out of their depths

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-02 19:50

      @ Tiaan. That particle did definitely not come from god. God was only the intermediary. The entity that made god, made also the particle. But then, I ask who made the entity that made the particle and god? That's a tough one.We could do away with god altogether, that line of thinking making no sense, or we could reckon it was The Flying Spaghetti Monster (Bolognese Be On Him) all along. Will you convert when the experiment will fail to end up in flames? Watch this space.

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 20:07

      chikunga Well somebody has to tell then before they make complete idiots of themselves. Its a free service I provide.

      Practice - 2012-07-03 06:29

      lol! good one huck

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 08:43

      @ Tiaan - "t only confirms His existence because where did that particle originate from?" Wrong. It only confirms that we don't know yet. And that is how (and why) religion was created in the first...because we didn't have the answers...so "there MUST be some old grey man in the sky who dunnit". (That and to control the masses and make money by scaring them) I call BS. Sorry, try again.

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 08:44

      @ Huck - Your Caps lock is on.

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-03 10:00

      @mini-man - go back to the comments and re-read them, then make a contribution

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-03 10:03

      @ja man - see you are still stuck on the graphics of your children's bible. I suggest you talk to someone that can help you with your misconceptions about our Creator

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 10:24

      @ Tiaan - No Thanks. No "Creator", so no misconception there. And it doesn't matter what or who's version of the bible you read. Its all the same.

  • lovell.trevor - 2012-07-02 16:17

    Isn't it a little ironic that for those who believe that science and religion are incompatible, the nickname chosen to give to the long sought after particle is the God Particle.(Granted, it was sensationally given by the media) Purely on a semantic level - does this mean that if the God Particle is found, that atheists will have to believe? ;) PS, I'm not trying start the running science vs religion squabble - just a little tongue in cheek.

  • nigel.hamilton.982 - 2012-07-02 16:20

    Does it matter?

      gawie.vandermerwe.7 - 2012-07-02 18:53

      As a matter of fact, it is an important fact of matter. It literally gives weight to the matter. ;-)

      jaco.d.beer.1 - 2012-07-04 22:38

      Ha ha Gawie, if I could I would give you two thumbs up for that one! Maybe I should create a fake FB profile to give you another one!

  • lovell.trevor - 2012-07-02 16:30

    @Scott thanks for the interesting comments. Sounds like you really know your stuff. I agree with the gaping hole notion and the fact that there's no intention to create matter but rather to find out what matter is made of. I think it'll be very exciting news. I just hope it's not a false start statement like the last one and hopefully the media might report on the matter with the necessary gravity it deserves. Sorry for the puns, I couldn't help myself.

  • huck.starr - 2012-07-02 18:15

    There is only one GOD and these evilutionist scientists are playing with fire to think they can make like gods themseleves. But, hey, if they want to believe therer ancesters are apes, I have no objection. My ancesters, on the other hand, were created by intelligent designed. By LORD GOD.

      Simon - 2012-07-02 18:50

      Good Luck with proving that. Funny how that was thrown out of a bible belt state court, "because intelligent design is not science and "cannot uncouple itself from its creationist, and thus religious, antecedents". -Tammy Kitzmiller, et al. v. Dover Area School District, et al. (400 F. Supp. 2d 707, Docket no. 4cv2688) I think this saying really sums up the confusion in the Higgs boson particle. It really brings out the stubborness in trying to refute clear, cold and hard facts presented under ones nose. “Mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself; but talent instantly recognizes genius.” ? Arthur Conan Doyle, The Valley of Fear

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 08:45

      @ Huck. "...created by intelligent designed..." Obviously not.

  • PikesNo1 - 2012-07-02 19:04

    ......As yet, no one has observed the Higgs boson to confirm the theory. And people take this seriously... This is not a science. They are wasting billions on someones sci-fi fantasy

      scott.kirby.752 - 2012-07-02 19:21

      Ummmmmmm they have observed it but because this is getting into quantum physics just seeing something doesn't mean it's there, hence they are waiting(and probably have) a more statistically significant number of proven results...

      zaatheist - 2012-07-02 20:09

      @PikesNo1 Nothing like the billions sucked up by the preachermen every year and far more likely to produce results.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-07-02 21:45

      You can't see the particles, only the effects of it, I think. Anyway, read this below on another site. Other researchers are cautioning that everyone’s jumping the gun. Quote from the story: “The evidence still fell short of proof, however. Because the same debris hinting at the existence of the Higgs could also come from other subatomic particles, the physicists could rule out other explanations with a confidence of only 550-to-1; that is, there is less than a 0.2 percent chance that the collision debris is not from the Higgs. But by international convention, the odds have to be closer to 0.14 percent.” “http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0702/God-particle-data-falls-short-of-proof-say-Fermilab-researchers-video”

      gawie.vandermerwe.7 - 2012-07-02 23:40

      Tommy, you are correct, only the effects are expected to be detected. I summarize from an explanation to laymen "50 physics ideas" by Joanne Baker. Peter Higgs thought of an idea to give particles their mass. Particles seem to have mass because they are slowed down while moving through a force field, now known as the Higgs field, like a person would experience whilst wading through water. The Higgs field operates by the transfer of bosons called Higgs bosons. At CERN, two opposing beams of accelerated protons will be fired into each other head on. The huge energies produced will allow a whole range of massive particles to be released temporarily and recorded by detectors, along with their decay products of they are very short lived. The goal is to find a hint of the Higgs particle, buried amongst billions of other particle signatures. Physicists know what they are looking for, but will still need to hunt it down. The Higgs may just appear, if the energies are high enough, for a tiny fraction of a second, before disappearing into a cascade of other particles. So, rather than seeing the Higgs itself, the physicists will have to hunt for a smoking gun and then piece everything back together again to deduce its existence. The trick seems to me to be able to detect the unique evidence for the Higgs boson. Very exciting nevertheless.

      lovell.trevor - 2012-07-03 07:46

      @Gawie: Hallelujah! It makes sense now. You should be translating Steven Hawking's books into understandable language!

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 08:47

      Are you guys really trying to explain this theory and what it ACTUALLY means to someone that claims that "this is not a science"??

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-07-03 06:54

    Tiaan Liebenberg the prophet!

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-07-03 09:41

      Thanks primitive hunter, but I'm no prophet. Just stating the obvious by challenging the status quo of those who prefer not to believe

      jman.man.71 - 2012-07-03 10:03

      Stating the obvious? Please.

      john.halfpenny.395 - 2012-07-03 14:44

      lol Tiaan must be the dumbest person commenting on this page. Luckily you live in a country where the masses are as dumb, otherwise you would have been at the bottom of the food chain young padawan.

  • donald.westhuizen - 2012-07-03 10:11

    Great, so an article about science is followed by a religious flame war in the comments. I'm certain that comments from either side will help sway your opponents. Nothing to see here, move along.

  • Stephen - 2012-07-03 15:19

    There are much more important problems to be solved by mankind first, the higgs bosson, can wait.

      Stephen - 2012-07-07 07:45

      Stupidity is the number 1 problem to be solved.

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