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Legalising dagga 'makes sense'

2012-08-13 08:24

Cape Town - Dagga should be decriminalised as prohibition of the narcotic has become a profitable illicit trade, an activist has said.

"It's a question of accepting that it's there whether we like it or not. It's the number one illicit in the world - that's by a long margin; so it's not a question of releasing another demon into the world, but we need to look at the expense of holding this back," an activist only known as Buzz told News24.

Dagga has been the subject of agitated legislation and many users, particularly in the US have been prosecuted for possession.

However, some studies have suggested that the drug is less addictive than cigarettes and alcohol.

Researchers in January found that several measures of lung health actually improved slightly as young people reported using more dagga - up to 2 000 joints in a lifetime.

Lung protection


"There's no doubt, if you've watched a Harold & Kumar movie, marijuana triggers a cough," said Dr Stefan Kertesz, from the University of Alabama at Birmingham, who worked on the study.

While marijuana smoke has many of the same toxins as cigarette smoke, he said, people who use dagga tend to smoke fewer joints each day than tobacco users smoke cigarettes. That and the method of inhaling may offer some relative lung protection, researchers have proposed.

Dagga is widely consumed and activists contend that legalisation and regulation would limit its street value, making it less attractive to be sold.

"Is the cost of letting a low harm substance out there worth paying by imprisoning people and crippling their lives with criminal records? In an ideal world, we don't want this sort of thing going on, but this isn't an ideal world.

"It really does come down to responsible use and this is again where people get the cart before the horse. It gives us an opportunity to address it and say: 'Don't let a drug dealer be your first interaction.' Don't give them that power," said Buzz.

It has been shown that young people will find access to toxic substances, regardless of legislation denying it to them and children regularly consume alcohol and cigarettes despite legislation.

According to research by the Bureau for Market Research, nearly 80% of a group of surveyed Gauteng high school pupils regularly consume alcohol.

Possession

Buzz argues that by legalising dagga, one could engage with young people rather than have them drive consumption underground.

"Kids are going to use it, but let's lower this chance by having an adult discussion with them about it and being open about it rather than make it this complete taboo factor.

"If we look at sex for example: Kids are going to do it. Let's give the 12 and 13 year old condoms so they can practice safe sex rather than push them into the underground."

He rejected the argument that if dagga was legal, there would be a glut of people growing the herb to sell as additional income.

"How many people do you know who grow their own tobacco or brew their own booze? Or even grow their own tomatoes? Everyone thinks these hippies are going to run wild or it's all going to go nuts, but I don't really think that's the case."

Several countries, including Russia, Mexico and Portugal, permit possession of a small amount of dagga for personal use, while continuing to prosecute dealing and trafficking in the drug.

In Portugal particularly, a correlation between the country's drug policy and a reduction of adolescent use was observed from 2001 to 2007.

Substance abuse

"If we look at the actual evidence and science behind it, once we look at more liberal policies such as Portugal; the Netherlands, we in fact end up with lower use," said Buzz.

Government officials have vowed to clamp down on substance abuse in 2012, but so far, efforts to make dramatic inroads into curbing underage alcohol consumption have not yielded substantial results.

Buzz said that dialogue would result in a more open approach.

"People are looking at the most extreme views; I think if we look at it realistically, there will be a regulated market of some sort which I think is ideal."


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Comments
  • adrian.tyler - 2012-08-13 08:41

    Good Idea...

      erich.goosen - 2012-08-13 14:05

      Is it? May be they should ply all male bed-ridden patients with Viagra in order that they don't fall off the beds. In this way the hospital might having a saving be not employing more nurses.

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 14:06

      @erich.goosen that makes no sense. Like equating smoking weed to rape or murder. Idjit...

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 02:17

      Buzz talks nonsense. There is a very dumb perception going around that "legalising" dagga removes the Black market. This is utter nonsense. Cannabis , like tobacco will be taxed , the quality has to be controlled and there will be packaging and distribution costs. No Government worth its salt will legalise a substance that causes Brain damage anyway. Other governments like the Netherlands that have shown leniency are now backtraking due to the problems caused. " Marijuana causes brain damage, find Australian scientists, POT smokers may want to think twice before lighting up their next joint. Australian scientists have proved the long-held suspicion that persistent heavy marijuana use damages the brain's memory and learning capacity. Researchers also showed for the first time the earlier people developed their cannabis habit, the worse the damage. Scientists from Melbourne's Murdoch Childrens Research Institute (MCRI), Melbourne University and Wollongong University used Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) to scan the brains of 59 people who had been using marijuana for 15 years on average." http://www.news.com.au/national/marijuana-causes-brain-damage-study/story-fndo4eg9-1226446908221

      Heibrin - 2012-08-14 06:44

      @Philip: and yet alcohol is legal... kinda negates your 'No government....' argument down the tubes.

      wordis.word.1 - 2012-08-14 06:47

      "No Government worth its salt will legalise a substance that causes Brain damage anyway." Yes that's why alcohol is totally illegal.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-14 08:35

      Not to mention countless other drugs that can be obtained via prescription, or bought in a liquor store. Marijuana has never, in the recorded history of mankind, ever killed a person from an overdose. A person would have to smoke 948kg within 14 minutes for it kill you from toxicity. But looong before that, that person would die from carbon monoxide poisoning. Weed cannot, and will never, cause the death of anyone.

      arne.verhoef - 2012-08-14 09:03

      Phillip Harris the ignoramus

      Koos - 2012-08-14 09:36

      @philip.harris.967: You can pretty much find someone selling anywhere there is a Spar or a OK or any type of mall but there is just one reason that it will NOT be legalized, it can’t be controlled by the government hence it can’t really effectively be taxed. If legalized you can grow it yourself and that is the problem and that is why governments don't like the idea.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 10:28

      Firstly, judging by Erich's facebook profile, he's likely to have grown up in the 50's. So in his defence he's had propaganda shoved in his face since birth. Also, he's probably pretty new to the "internet" thing and doesn't understand how to do independent research. Philip, alcohol and tobacco are even more damaging to use and they're perfectly legal. I'm not even going to list all the "over the counter" dugs which are perfectly legal. You also obviously take everything the government say at face value. Our government wouldn't lie to us now, would they? Is there a large black market for tobacco and alcohol? Just wondering.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 10:40

      @Phillip: "Nonsense" hey? Let's have a look at you points. The black market already has packaging and distribution costs, as well as huge profit margins for all parties involved who are taking the risk of dealing in illegal cannabis. The word for this is a "monopoly", which results in hugely inflated prices due to limited supply and huge demand. Don't see why anyone would object to paying tax on quality controlled cannabis. A pack of cancer sticks costs about 30 bucks. One gram of good quality grass costs in excess of 100 bucks. Cannot for the life of me see how the cannabis price bubble will do anything other than pop in a legal open market. Regarding Netherlands, their government is in no way removing or limiting access to cannabis for their citizens. They are however trying to curb cannabis tourism from countries who stirctly enforce prohibition. Global prohibition of cannabis is therefore the problem, not cannabis. As for the Australian study, it is an extremely small study that only talks about heavy cannabis users while not eliminating polidrug use, legal or illegal. The study is geared towards youth use, which if you were truly concerned about, you would be infavour of legalization as youth use is significantly lower in countries with liberal cannabis policies. Your comment is loaded with hypocrisy and it must have taken you a while to find this needle of a negative study about cannabis in the haystack of positive cannabis studies.

      Billy - 2012-08-14 10:50

      yea philip, i also read a study that said its rubbish that braincells to not grow back, to an extent. the study showed that the brain heals and regenerates itself like any other organ in the body. you can buy drugs over the counter that causes brain damage, you can buy drugs over the counter that causes "anal bleeding" in some cases, and thats just a headache tablet. get a clue. to think that taking the trade away from the black market will not affect it, is.. well just dumb.

      sachasea - 2012-08-14 11:56

      Myrtle and Jules will be live in the Jacaranda FM studio tonight from about 8pm. looks like it's going to be a three way discussion - pro dagga, anti dagga and a doctor. Tune in and call the studio.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:29

      @Heibrin ....any argument that tries to claim that we should legalise another bad substance (dagga) because we already have two LEGAL substances that are dmaging is an argument that only brain-damaged people would put forward. It is just NOT going to fly. It is incredibly dumb to suggest that we need ANOTHER bad substance just because we already have two. I think you okes have been smoking too much.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:32

      @koos van der merwe The REASON that dagga will not be legalised is that governments (now try and concentrate Koos ...read this slooooowly) Goevernments have a duty of care , even towards druggies. The duty of care means that if they legalise a damaging substance ....a substance that they KNOW causes brain damage ....then they are open to litigation. It is not going to happen. Not now Not ever.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:36

      @ buzzer "Let's have a look at you points" You haven't had a look at any "points" ....you are waffling. You are wasting your energy ...every day more and more evidence of the dangers of dagga come to light. It won't be legalised ...not now , not ever.

      owen.finley.9 - 2012-08-14 13:00

      Phillip, so you think throwing "drug addicts" in jail is for their own good? Is it going to make their addiction disappear? Not in our jails. In the same vain let's throw fat people in jail, you know, for their own good.

      sachasea - 2012-08-14 13:15

      I don't agree when people describe changes to the brain as brain damage. Not all change in the brain is bad so to refer to it as brain damage is incorrect. If cannabis' effect on the brain is as bad as that study tries to suggest then please tell me why we don't see loads of brain dead zombies walking around us. With over 4 million users of cannabis in SA you'd think it would be fairly noticeable if that were the case.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 14:41

      @ Phillip: "You haven't had a look at any "points" ....you are waffling.". That's odd, I was sure I took each of the points raised by you and provided comments that pertain to each point. Guess you choose not to see what you don't like. "I think Marijuana damages the brain and should stay illegal". People should be imprisoned or given criminal records because of something you "think". Not because of something you know, but something you "think". That we are forced to use legal dangerous substances instead of a significantly safer illegal substance is disgusting, and is in itself a crime. Clearly you are devoid of logic or reason, as is evident by your selective morals and convenient inablity to see that I have shown your "think"ing to be little more than subjective and selective moral beliefs that lack facts or substance. "every day more and more evidence of the dangers of dagga come to light". Really, care to provide any evidence of this? Tell you what, find one study concluding that cannabis should be illegal or that cannabis prohibition works and I will not post anymore comments comment on this article. Come on Phillip, put the evidence where your mouth is.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 15:15

      @buzzer. You don't make any points. You keep on repeating the same arguments that have been debunked time and time again. Marijuana causes brain damage ...it is proven. It will not be legalised...not today , not ever. "That we are forced to use legal dangerous substances instead of a significantly safer illegal substance" Who forces you to "use" any substance? Do you not have control over what you do ? " every day more and more evidence of the dangers of dagga come to light". Really, care to provide any evidence of this" I have provided you with a link to the latest study proving it damages the brains of users ....for more evidence read the comments on this thread by your fellow stoners.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 16:02

      @ Phillip: "You keep on repeating the same arguments that have been debunked time and time again." Debunked where? Certainly not by you. So providing one isolated non-peer reviewed non-quality controlled cannabis study of a very small group of people who were heavy cannabis users (aka abusers)is the only bit of evidence you are able to bring to the table. Clearly I am wasting my time on you, I repeat though: Tell you what, find one study concluding that cannabis should be illegal or that cannabis prohibition works and I will not post anymore comments on this article. Come on Phillip, put the evidence where your mouth is.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 16:15

      @buzzer " Tell you what, find one study concluding that cannabis should be illegal" Find one study (peer reviewed and quality controlled) that rape should be illegal. The evidence of marijuana induced Brain damage is conclusive ...no matter how much you wriggle and DEMAND (a south african trait) the evidence is there. If all else fails try asking a doctor or nurse at a mental institution ....they wont bother asking for "peer reviewed and quality controlled" ....they see the effects with their own eyes. Illegal drug promoters are lower than cockroaches. Filth

      jschnehage - 2012-08-14 16:15

      Mr.Harris it says on your facebook profile that you worked for Chevron so I can't really believe that you would care about the welfare of other people. You spend your time empowering an industry that is destroying the planet and the life on it and then you turn around and say no government worth its salt will legalize a brain damaging substances. How about world damaging substances? You probably think global warming is a load of bull too. And how exactly have you been affected by the cannabis plant or the use of it? Sounds like your stony faced opposition is covering some kind of personal grievance or a deep humiliation or something.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 16:23

      @jschenage WTF has it got to do with you who I have worked for ? You are simply vomiting up red herrings. I have a dislike of low life illegal drug promoters....if the cap fits.

      Billy - 2012-08-14 16:44

      philip, smoke a joint and stfu clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. it seems you are very gullible & naive. from ur profile with all the pro rugby and now this anti-weed you seem like the typical stereotype. australia it seems is VERY anti-weed, i looked it up, for all we know, they could have taken 59 homeless people that drink petrol(they do that in australia) and compared them against 33 healthy children who has never even sipped a beer. any substance given to children(MCRI - Murdoch Childrens Research Institute) heavily and persistantly would be bad dont you think? or is that just it, you dont think. why not take 59 smoking successfull healthy business people and compare 59 of the same non smoking.?? IT CANT BE THAT HARD TO FIND. this study is bogus. just like your arguements.

      JManAtheoi - 2012-08-14 16:49

      @ phillip - "You keep on repeating the same arguments that have been debunked time and time again" So do you. Now pull that st!ck out of your @ass and get a life please. Geees.

      TSR01 - 2012-08-14 16:52

      @ phillip: "I have a dislike of low life illegal drug promoters....if the cap fits." So if these "low lifes" were legal drug promoters, would you still dislike them? If you answered yes, I assume that means you dislike pharmaceutical companies, if the caps fits (which it does, by your own definitions). As for clear-minded individuals lobbying for legalization of cannabis, I for one wouldn't mind that for the following reasons: * World governments annually spend (I mean waste) hundreds upon thousands in "The War Against Drugs" * If cannabis was legalized (AND REGULATED WITHIN THE INDUSTRY, eg. requires licensing to produce / manufacture / sell) the government would be able to EARN MONEY instead of BURN MONEY * Most individuals who have smoked cannabis are not repeat smokers. Even in the cases of regular cannabis users, the vast majority of them don't "live high", because it isn't sustainable - how would they do the dishes? Feed themselves? Etc.? - and that's only in extreme cases. * Cannabis is not a gateway drug just as beer isn't a gateway drink to hard liquor. (Last I checked, beer was still my preferred alcoholic beverage of choice, not whiskey or Stroh Rum) * Regulated correctly in its own industry, cannabis would be available outside of the current spectrum which includes hardened criminals (rapists, thieves, murderers, etc.) which in turn would take business away from crime. Reduced crime means less expenditure in fighting crime. * The pro's outweigh the cons.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 17:00

      @TSR01 " if these "low lifes" were legal drug promoters, would you still dislike them? " If my auntie had testicles she would be my uncle. Forget the "ifs" and the red herrings and stick to the topic.

      TSR01 - 2012-08-14 17:12

      @ Philip: And your auntie / uncle / auntle is on-topic and NOT a red herring HOW? My comment is 100% on topic. Read it again. > If Cannabis is legal. That is the point of this article (Headline: "Legalising dagga 'makes sense'"). So remind me again who is off topic? Nevermind, I think you're too stubborn to listen to anyone but yourself. Talk about conceited.

      Billy - 2012-08-14 17:19

      Philip is the reason some children turn to drugs(addicts) to spite parents. his EXACT attitude is the problem with this..

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 17:25

      @ TSR01 Cannabis is NOT legal ...havent you noticed. It is not going to be legal. Not now , not ever.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 17:30

      @ Phillip: Rape has a victim, cannabis use does not. That you would even compare cannabis with rape or murder shows that you are unable to compare apples with apples. Given your obsession with brain damage, are you suggesting that the leading causes of brain damage, falling and motor vehicle collisions, also be illegal? Honestly, I don't have the time or desire to spend on you any longer. Like it or not legal cannabis is coming, but you will be just one of those people who after the fact claim not to have supported cannabis prohibition and the millions of lives it has ruined. All the best Phillip, see you on the other side.

      roger.locker.1 - 2012-08-14 18:49

      the potential revenue sars can get from legalization, would be 6 times more than what is got from maize, at current estimates. When legalized, mass farming, trillions in taxes, better life for all:)

      mar.anson.9 - 2012-08-14 20:13

      @Philip.harris please have the decency to read the following links and then decide whether you are talking nonsense or not http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20030701/heavy-marijuana-use-doesnt-damage-brain http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/09/16/does-marijuana-cause-brain-damage/

      zionpercival.pay - 2012-08-15 08:22

      PHILIP HARRIS 967 I agree fully with what you say. the point is even if dagga was claimed to be worse than arsenic it would still have its hold on the minds of the ignorant. the protagonists of dagga will never desert their stance. It has become an ego trip to nowhere.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-15 10:35

      Phillip and Zion: It's tragically ironic that your both support a sport (rugby) where people hurtle themselves at each other as hard as possible while risking life and limb, a sport that is sponsored by booze which kills millions of people a year, yet you consider people who use a non lethal substance safer than booze or rugby to be criminals. It is evident from your lack of evidence conluding cannabis should be illegal that neither of you are able to substantiate your views in any way other than with subjective views. It's also ironic that you would support a policy of cannabis prohibition that leads to criminal records, imprisonment and deaths; while cannabis itself does not kill anybody. Please get on your high horses and exit the discussion as you have nothing constructive of relevant to offer other than hypocrisy and snide comments. P.s. Phillip: Before you go on and on about brain damage, etc. Please show me where in any of the studies it indicates that any potential harms from cannabis use justify its prohibition. Just one would do, I'm not holding my breath.

      kyle.berry.90857 - 2012-08-15 12:25

      philip... those little red thumbs down indicate that educated people who read relevant news think that you are incorrect, your aggression and need to patronize others suggests a coward in the corner, EDUCATE YOURSELF, PLEASE!!

      WarrenStylin - 2013-02-20 18:18

      It is a good idea. Firstly it is not a drug. It doesn't get processed in any way. One thing people forget, it doesn't have to be smoked. Also, you can make clothing from it, you can make bricks to build houses, not forgetting that it has huge medicinal purposes. It is a sustainable product that can lower the cost to build houses. Not just cheap houses, but mansions. This was shown on Top Billing, a man build his house only from hemp. The only reason why 3 out of 5 agreed, is that they don't know all the uses. They have been brainwashed to believe it is EVIL and you need to stay away from it.

      WarrenStylin - 2013-02-20 18:25

      @Philip - How many deaths have ever been recorded due to the use of marijuana?...Let me take a stab at this... 0. Marijuana is more safe than eating peanuts. You should do more research on the subject before you post. The USA is even starting to legalize Marijuana. Which shows, that the benefits far out way the negatives..Actually, there are no negatives...Oh, it is a gateway drug. However, most people that smoke marijuana have tried cigarettes and alcohol first.

  • clay.gray.505 - 2012-08-13 08:44

    Decriminalization means that real issues of abuse can be dealt with: Tik Monsters, Smack addicts, Crack Heads etc. Government needs to stop wasting our money on fighting against weed.

      eric.phillips.94849 - 2012-08-13 09:04

      you are so right. the medical profession also ignore the benefits for colestrol by drinking gin & dagga, and Canna butter, because they can not make money out of it.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-14 08:36

      Exactly, why is it a priority when there are MUCH worse, dangerous drugs out there? It's just too easy to catch the stoners, instead of the hardcore guys that actually do harm society.

      sachasea - 2012-08-14 13:18

      It's not dangerous Philip, it's a plant with many useful properties. It is a person's basic human right to put whatever they choose into their own body.

      clay.gray.505 - 2012-08-14 14:43

      @Philip: have you been affected by drug users or stoners? I have had family die because of Heroin use but none from Dagga. LEGALIZE!

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 15:14

      @ Phillip: "you do the crime ..you do the time." What's actually criminal about adults using cannabis? Please don't say something that lacks any critical thinking, such as "because it's illegal". Let's hear some reasoning from you as to why cannabis should be illegal. Please think your response through as a response that could be applied to making some of the legal substances illegal would be moot and only highlight the hypocrisy of cannabis prohibition.

      sachasea - 2012-08-14 15:50

      Philip it is obvious that you are an internet troll of the highest order. You come here with the sole intention of deliberately getting people riled up and offering very little of any real substance or value. We are adults discussing a serious topic that we believe needs to be debated. Why not try using reason and intellect instead of personal attacks? Your replies display characteristic 'Argumentum ad Hominem' i.e. are abusive and circumstantial. You are attacking the character or circumstances of individuals who are advancing a statement or an argument instead of trying to disprove the truth of the statement or the soundness of the argument. Your 'arguments' are characterized simply as a personal attack. I will no longer avail myself to your pointless hissy fits.

      JManAtheoi - 2012-08-14 16:50

      @ phillip - "A dangerous drug like dagga".. i stopped taking you seriously there. you must pass out when stepping on a beer-doppie.

      TSR01 - 2012-08-14 17:03

      @ philip: Right, so you're only carrying on about this "dangerous drug" because its illegal? Really? Have you even seen a stoned person first-hand? They're passive as a platypus, not ranting, raging sloshed alcoholics! As for it being a criminal act, how is smoking a mind-altering substance in the safety of your own home criminal if it affects nobody but yourself? Should mind-altering meditation or yoga be considered a criminal act? If I want to smoke cabbage, then whose right is it to tell me its illegal and that I may not? I am an adult acting of my own free will. Who has a greater right to tell me what I may or may not eat or drink or smoke than I myself? (obviously I'm not eating PVC pipes, because I do have common sense) I'll eat glasses and plates, I'll eat metal nails and fried seagull, I'll drink cactus juice and smoke pickled ginger if I want to. For all you know, seagulls could be highly potent psychedelic substances! So really, re-assess WHY you are anti-cannabis aside from "My mommy (government) told me its wrong", or do "clear-minded individuals" not question what they are told? (the Earth is flat by the way)

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 17:09

      @ Philip: No surprises, thank you for demonstrating how prohibitionists are the ones who have it wrong and can only throw personal punches due to a lack of evidence supporting cannabis prohibition. Your comments have not been the least bit original. Thank you as well for spurring on the popularity of this article by trolling it so heavily.

  • dave.brauteseth - 2012-08-13 08:52

    Free the weed

      jose.d.santos.9041 - 2012-08-16 11:30

      only if its indoor

  • rob.gunning.1 - 2012-08-13 09:09

    Ban the bottle, free the weed

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 11:10

      I have never heard of any one beating his/her spouse after smoking a spliff (unadulterated). I have heard too many stories of people beating their wives after drinking alcohol. When I was doing national service in the early 80's, we used to to out and party weekends. On of my mates used to smoke a joint in the car going to the party. He then had a beer which lasted him 2 hours. The rest of us drank as callow youths would do. We could never understand why he landed up with all the girls and we were left empty handed. Then I tried his trick. 180 degree turnaround in my success rate with the ladies. Smoke da weed and you are just content to listen to them. Unfortunatley when I finished national service I had to stop cause it stoopidly is illegal.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 13:29

      'He then had a beer which lasted him 2 hours' Probably too smoked to find the bottle opener.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 16:32

      Not at all you fool. To give the illusion that he was one of the boys. Believe me it worked.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-14 07:11

      'To give the illusion that he was one of the boys. ' So he is gay, smoke weed to 'be cool' and give his weak self esteem a boost. I said it before, work on your self esteem and you won't need drugs etc.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-14 07:29

      Hey Fatboy. Stop being so obtuse. Fool

      dylanswanie - 2012-08-14 13:07

      Why can't we have both?

  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-08-13 09:10

    Everyone emulates America. If something is harshly prohibited there, for no good reason, same will be done in copycat nations like ours. Legalize the damn herb already. It will seem less cool to teens and they will use it less. Ridiculous wasting tax punishing young people for not causing significant harm to anyone and themselves

      sachasea - 2012-08-13 19:07

      JohncarlosBiza the thing that gets me is how we already have all of the ingredients to create a thriving above board and highly profitable cannabis industry. We have some of the most skilled growers, our climate is perfect and land is plentiful for outdoor cultivation and we have massive labour resources just begging to be employed. We could easily become a market leader in cannabis research and cannabis and hemp derived products. What a shame that our government refuses to even look into the possibilities. It will be our loss when the rest of the world has cottoned on to all of the benefits that can be had from having a legal and regulated cannabis industry.

  • max.maxwell - 2012-08-13 09:10

    It's time to ditch the attitudes of the 30's and move on! Let's concentrate on the killers - tik, crack, smack etc! Leave the mountain cabbage out of it!

  • FrankAbercrombie - 2012-08-13 09:15

    Excuse me author, I didn't read the whole article. The illegality of all drugs is a modern phenomenon: I think marijuana and hashish was first prohibited in the United States in 1922. Shakespeare used the weed.

      Beanaroo - 2012-08-13 09:38

      Actually, if i recall correctly. South Africa was the first country to suggest marking 'indian hemp' as contraband to the League of Nations. Last minute too. Around the same time a lot of opium laws came into effect.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:56

      " Shakespeare used the weed" Got some proof of that Frank? If you have , lets see it. I wont be holding my breath.

      mar.anson.9 - 2012-08-14 20:19

      @philip.harris, dont have proof of Shakespeare but how about theses guys? “Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere.” – George Washington, U.S. President quote on marijuana “Two of my favorite things are sitting on my front porch smoking a pipe of sweet hemp, and playing my Hohner harmonica.” – Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President quote on marijuana “The greatest service which can be rendered any country is the add a useful plant to its culture!” -Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President marijuana quote

      mar.anson.9 - 2012-08-14 20:23

      @philip.harris... actually did find something on Shakespeare http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jun/250611-did-shakespeare-smoke-marijuana.htm

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-08-13 09:23

    Let the marijuana loose. I've read about his before it is really true if only the SA health minister could just look in the positive side of it then I guess we would go green. Cut the crack, tik, coke etc and let the marijuana loose. It is a great idea

  • Beanaroo - 2012-08-13 09:34

    Lets not forget the thousands of jobs we could create in the agricultural/textile sectors. You don't have to smoke it. you can produce clothing, ropes, cosmetics, industrial oils, medicine, biodiesel and even bioplastics. There is an untapped industry in our awesome climate!

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 10:08

      @Beanaroo, We can create even more jobs in the takeoutpeople industry if we legalize murder and provide a great service to the anc factions to take their opponents out. In this way we can also solve our population problem and boost our GDP. How about exporting the takeout services to other countries? In this way we can become for murder as Nigeria has become for internet scams.

      lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 11:30

      2cents, murder and stimulants do not fall into the same category. That’s just dumb. if you are comfortable with alcohol, caffine and niccotine in your society, your rejection of thc is just hypocritical. Your close minded view is just emotional and clearly has nothing substantial to back it up.

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 11:59

      @LostAndDamned Obviously you have never heard of the word "sarcasm". You can learn more about this word if you google it. Oops..you probably do not know Google. Maybe you can ask the kindergarden teacher for some help?

      Billy - 2012-08-13 12:01

      this 2cents is an idiot. if HE cant differentiate between weed and murder its no wonder his daughter turned out a heroin junky..

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 12:01

      @LostAndDamned And by the way I am not comfortable with alcohol, caffine (sic) and niccotine (sic). My father died of lung cancer from smoking.

      lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 12:12

      Billy, I would also shoot up if I had to deal with such stupidity on a daily basis.

      lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 12:14

      2 cents, so by your logic, coffee should also be illegal?

      Billy - 2012-08-13 12:14

      LostAndDamned, exactly what i was thinking, he would drive me insane!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-13 16:04

      Lol @my2cents You must have been hooked on heroine as well, that statement made no sense, your brain is screwed. Shame

      neels.pienaar.169 - 2012-08-14 10:41

      @ just ur 2senses, u need a joint, it will activate ur other inactive senses!!!

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 13:00

      @ just my 2 cents. " if we legalize murder and provide a great service to the anc factions to take their opponents out" Of course , great idea .....in fact we can use the same argument the druggies use ....we are NOT winning the war on murder ...so why NOT legalise it. Fantastic idea ....Brilliant.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 16:40

      @ Phillip: With murder there is a victim. With cannabis use their is not, unless your count the thousands of people dying in the crossfire as gangs locally and internationally fight for dominance in the illegal cannabis trade. Their you have it. Cannabis does not kill, but cannabis prohibition sure does.

      JManAtheoi - 2012-08-14 16:56

      @ Phillip - are you actually equating smoking a J to murder??? Ja nee.

      zionpercival.pay - 2013-01-22 12:04

      Grabbing at straws; It was pointed out to me that Carl Sagan also smoked pot" A check up on the facts revealed he did but no mention was made as to how long. The description was a single line. Carl Sagan died in 1996

  • andreviljoenjoubert - 2012-08-13 09:38

    Please please have a look at this video. http://marijuanamovie.org/full-documentary/

  • steveroodt - 2012-08-13 09:39

    Green Peace I wonder what bubbly they were smoking when they came up with the name

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-08-13 09:43

    Legalize it.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-13 09:46

    Finally someone talking sense.

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 10:17

      Or maybe nonsense.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 14:39

      Its only 2cents don't worry

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-14 09:53

      haha Merven Merven Merven...you make me laugh, firstly i am not gay and secondly why so homophobic...you are the one with self-esteem issues..have a lovely day..see what i did there, being the better man.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-08-14 11:57

      Merven you are a f*cking tard. Moron

      merven.halo - 2012-08-15 07:52

      Thanks Wesley, now I won't be able to sleep tonight. Have a spliff and get bradley's number. I'm off the Brazil for the next two weeks, so play nice.

  • ivan.frantz.3 - 2012-08-13 09:59

    Marijuana is a herb and as such is a good multipurpose medicine for almost any major or minor ailment in the human body such as cancer and even aids !!! The medical fraternity refuse to speculate on this as it will cripple all other medicatiion in the pharmacutical industry !

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:49

      Ivan , what is your point? The "medical fraternity" already use marijuana derivatives prescribed by doctors. It is all perfectly legal.

      ivan.frantz.3 - 2012-08-14 19:45

      @ philip as far as we know marijuana ( Dagga ) is illigal in any type of application, as much as it is illegal to use /consume, it is also illegal to cultivate it !!! Who gave the medical fraternity the right to process dagga and when was this implimented ?

  • caspertg - 2012-08-13 10:12

    cannadiscussions.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/corruption-in-south-africa\r\nDecide for yourself if you agree.....

  • Neil.J.Du.Toit - 2012-08-13 10:15

    Man made booze, God made grass! Who do you trust?

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 14:08

      And you can marry your rape survivor , if she's a virgin ...

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 14:16

      And stoned your son to death for not listening to you.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 14:40

      Mervens logic....weed=stoning some one to death...

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 14:53

      Bradley's logic... sarcasm = ???? Being gay is not a choice but stupidity is.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 15:16

      gay? stupidity? say what...not my fault you tried smoking it and got the munchies so bad and turned into a fat chef.

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 16:37

      @merven.halo that makes no sense. Are you sure your a teetotaler , maybe you need brownie ? Damn the man, Save the weed.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-14 07:28

      ' maybe you need brownie ? ' You can not even put a sentence together but you want to tell me that weed is harmless. @ bradley.kecskes - now that I know what your 'problem' is, it is ok, I accept you for who you are, now you must just accept yourself.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 10:14

      I hate this argument, it makes logical pot smokers seem like religious nuts. Neil, for the good of the cause. Keep the religious nonsense off of a factual discussion. You're as bad as these muppets who go on about "dagga zombies" and "weed addicts" then back up their arguments with no factual evidence. Merven, stop trolling buddy. I'm sure you have better things to do with your time. Then again you have a fake facebook profile aimed entirely at trolling news24, so you're probably short on activities and friends.

      pisciotta - 2012-08-14 12:21

      Merven -God didn't make us Jews tall, he made us long.

      philip.harris.967 - 2012-08-14 12:51

      Gee Neil you must have thought long and hard to come up with that one....you are a real smart oke. God also made Deadly Nightshade and a host of other poisonous substances. If there EVER is a reason why Marijuana must never be legalised it is the ramblings of drug effected loonies.

      Pulverturm - 2012-08-15 16:07

      And from Deadly nightshade comes a drug called atropine... a life saving drug!

  • harry.hobbit.90 - 2012-08-13 10:15

    Prohibition and enforcement of marijuana laws is very lucrative for the respective departments, which will be out of the job, and out of business. They actively lobby against decriminalization.

      Billy - 2012-08-13 18:10

      that's short sighted though. how much more could they make from regulating it... ?

      sachasea - 2012-08-14 11:08

      A lot more Billy! In 2006 the United Nations estimated South Africa's international dagga and hashish trade to be worth at least R24 billion - four times our national budget for justice! That gives us some perspective and an idea as to just how much money we're losing to criminals that could instead be used by our government to benefit society. From an economical point of view it is sheer madness not to make use of this. http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/un-alarmed-by-growing-dagga-trade-in-sa-1.290426#.UCoTLj0gc3V

      Billy - 2012-08-14 11:21

      "R24 billion" holy moly, thats a zumaville for every province. lol just an arb fact, that i found out recently, since we talking about billions did you know? it would cost $30bill a year to eradicate world hunger. 30bill a year? thats nothing for the world and the rich. mr wiese has a 2bn tax bill, and hes like number 367* in the world...

  • byron.jay.37 - 2012-08-13 10:18

    Light up.

  • carol.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-08-13 10:25

    About time....nothing wrong with the God given :-)

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 11:29

      In fact, Moses never came down the mountain with a tablet that said "Thou shall not smoke week" When he came down the mountain the first time, he threw down the tablets cause all the israelites where drinking partying and woreshipping other gods. If they had been smoking weed I think they would have saved old mo a trip up the mountain.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 12:57

      http://imgur.com/r/all/2PVlS http://www.atheistmemebase.com/tag/marijuana/

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-14 12:14

      In fact Genesis 1:29 New King James Version (NKJV) 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-14 14:12

      So bake some cookies fool

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-14 16:26

      Cause the buble says god made it and gave it to us to eat. see previous posting and buble verse

      anotheradrian - 2012-08-15 16:22

      @james.whyte.104 hemp.. a cousin of cannabis, that you can't get high off has less than 1% thc and the highest omega 3:6:9 value of any food out there, more than fish oil. It can also be used to make bread. have a read.. http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=216

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-16 07:37

      And weed makes good cookies, brownies and if you have the time, chocalate cake

  • nicholas.b.wallace.1 - 2012-08-13 10:28

    free the weed

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-08-13 10:42

    Hemp paper: 4 x more paper per acre than trees. Yields every 3 months, and supplies materials for making other hemp products. Hemp fuel: fuel does grow on trees. Hybrid hemp plants have greater seed yields per acre than any other seed baring plants. Emergency nutrition for the poverty stricken: Hemp seeds are THE most nutritious seeds available, and with no psychoactive ingredients, it's a wonder why sales are restricted due to the legal status of its counterpart, marihuana. Bricks: hemp husk and stalks can be molded into bricks with natural lime. Industrially known as hempcrete, it has been proven to insulate and regulate moisture, be mold resistant, and less brittle than normal concrete blocks. It is also carbon negative. Clothing/rope/linens: technically much cheaper than cotton and wool in an established industry, however, low demand hinders production rates. Plastics: strong and durable Organic plastic can be made from extracted hemp resin.

      anri.tredoux - 2012-08-13 16:15

      Eco friendliness!!!! The green things in life don't always have to be made out to be bad. Just watch 'Super HI Me' :)

      tracy.theron.33 - 2012-08-15 10:16

      Tony, this is the reason that Industrial Hemp is having such a hard time worldwide being legalized. Industrial Hemp is NOT and NEVER will be dagga. Industrial Hemp has less that 0.3% THC, which is the chemical that makes you high. Bringing Industrial Hemp into the dagga argument is short sighted, as the ignorant people of this world, can not differentiate between the two. If anything we need to separate the two. The only way we are going to win the war to bring the miracle plant back into production is for people to be educated on the difference. Industrial hemp can clothe, feed, provide shelter, provide hygiene products for us and over and above it can be used for fuel. To date there are over 25,000 uses for industrial hemp. While any person with the slightest bit of common sense can see the benefit of this miracle plant, majority of the world governments will not legalize the growing of industrial hemp due to the link it has to dagga, and every time someone links the two together you are damaging the cause to bring industrial hemp back. For the rest of you, spend some time on hemp.com - and read about this incredible gift from nature. Any join the fight to bring to legalize industrial hemp!

  • reveng21 - 2012-08-13 10:53

    I would love to see a vote, based in the likes/dislikes it looks like the majority is in favour to "Legalise It". And to be honest I don't see why not, take the money out of the pockets of criminals, put the money in the hands of tax paying citizens, police can focus their time on more serious issues and help calm down this stressed out nation...

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 11:06

      @Hat3d. You are right, there are far more people on this specific page for legalizing it than for not. You know what I think? I think every weed addict lets his buddy know that he must go and vote on this page so that it will look like there are more people for it than against it.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-08-13 11:21

      It might be worth something to appeal to the governments greed for more spending money. Then there will be immediate action.

      sachasea - 2012-08-13 11:21

      And why not just_my_2cents? They're only doing what the prohibitionists have done for decades with their ridiculous bullying anti-pot propaganda and unjust, racist laws which infringe on peoples' rights. The fact is that the genie is out of the bottle so to speak. Every day more people become aware of the facts about cannabis and arrive at the conclusion that they've been lied to by their governments all of these years. The mass awakening is upon us. People are doing their own research to make up their minds. The prohibitionists are a dying breed, not only here in South Africa but right across the world as is evident by countries, which are slowly but surely disposing of their old draconian laws in favor of policies and legislation based around sound scientific research and evidence. South Africa's time will come. Watch this space.

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 11:46

      @Tree Spirit - NORML ZA . I admit you are right in that the pendulum is swinging the other way...however, it has always been so in history. The next phase will be again for our childrens' children to rectify the mess you have made and will be making for the next few decades.

      Billy - 2012-08-13 11:50

      2cents there are no weed addicts. you dont go into cold turkey if you stop smoking. it does not make you whore out our body for the next hit.

      owen.finley.9 - 2012-08-13 14:45

      @2cents You seem to think it makes sense to trow kids in jail for making bad choices, because let's face it, that's what we're talking about here. Most arrests for dagga (cannabis) are carried out against users because they are the soft targets. Would you have wanted your daughter hit with a heavy jail term with hard criminals for being caught with a substance? Would that make her problem any better? Take a step back from your anger for a second and try and see the other side of the coin. Nobody wants to promote the use of dagga, they simply don't think time in jail and a criminal record will help. Do some research, there are millions of people in the world that want cannabis legalised and you will find that most of them are far from your idea of a typical drug addict, these are people who know it's not as bad as you may think it is. You also cannot just ignore the fact that many people use it as medicine and have seen the benefits for themselves, who are you to tell them they are drug addicts in a world where people are force fed dangerous pharmaceuticals. I have been smoking cannabis for 10 years(by choice alone), in that time I have finished my schooling, landed a good a job, been promoted, bought a nice car and my health is better than most of the people my age who drink, and I have NEVER been inclined to search for harder drugs. I'm sorry about your daughter's choices in life but that's no reason to attack and discriminate against people who believe it is a good plant.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 09:27

      Having a chuckle a "weed addict", it's as bad as calling a grow box a "dagga lab"

      neels.pienaar.169 - 2012-08-14 10:58

      2senses i said it b4, a joint will activate the other senses!

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 13:48

      @ Phillip: So you are saying that E-tolling, Protection of Information Bill, corruption, etc are also acceptable because they are a product of the elected government. Sounds to me like the kind of person who supported Apartheid at the time, then magically turned into one of the millions of people who suddenly didn't support it post '94.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 16:29

      @ Phillip: hahaha, you're the one who said "Every time the government is voted into power ...the vote is to keep marijuana Ilegal.". Or is this statement as selective as your thinking and every other wrong our government does exempt from your statement? Let me spare you a response, that was a retorical question. Here's a study suggesting that cannabis causes new brain cell growth, http://www.jci.org/articles/view/25509. Let me guess, you only agree with studies which align with your personal and subjective belief system. The study you keep on commenting about is quite biased as the cannabis users did not receive quality controlled cannabis and it deals only with heavy users (aka cannabis abusers). Let me guess, you haven't read the actual study. Phillip, you are clearly a sad and lonely troll with nothing better to do than like his own comments. I'll leave you now so you can get back to reading your Propaganda 101 textbook.

  • lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 11:23

    makes sense. i think it should be applied to all drugs. leaglize, control and tax. the revenue earned can be used for, research and development of better products, substance abuse education and rehabilitation.

      lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 11:32

      further more, there is a difference between use and abuse. anything can become an issue in a persons life, girlfriend/boyfriend, job, hobby medication etc. some people just have addictive personalities.

  • jasonsmuts - 2012-08-13 11:24

    the number of ignorant people arguing against marijuana with baseless points and NO scientific evidence is hilarious. thankfully due to the internet and freedom of information, we can ignore these narrow mined ignorant fools and get the truth for ourselves. spread the truth, save our country, leagalize!

      pieter.budtools - 2012-08-13 11:40

      Yes, we want the whole world to be junkies! Marijuana is obviously very good for you. It fuses all your brain cells into one giant brain cell enabling you to think much betta!!

      Billy - 2012-08-13 11:53

      yea 2cents, maybe you need some junkies to help you think much betta. those drug councillors must of done a job on you while discussing your daughter.. shame. was it a church group by any chance?

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 11:54

      @justmy2cents. Do youself a favour and try it before you mock it.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 13:56

      // Yes, we want the whole world to be junkies! // A friend of mine smokes weed, why? Because it relieves stress, induces relaxation and because he just enjoys it. He smokes about 3-4 times a week, if that. Does that make him a junkie? No. You are generalising all drugs into the same category due to the unfortunate situation that occurred to your daughter. Weed is nothing like the hardcore drugs (heroin, ecstasy, cocaine); it contains virtually no addictive properties, nobody has ever been "hooked" on weed, nobody has ever "overdosed" on weed, nobody ever has a "cold turkey" experience when unable to smoke. However, people do get these symptoms from cigarettes. Cigarettes are actually more harmful to your body than weed is; yet they are legal and a multi-billion Rand industry. The fact that the Netherlands can successfully legalise weed without the entire nation turning into junkies (as you ignorantly profess to be the outcome of legalising weed) then your statement has solidly been refuted with the facts. Your opinion is, justifiably, rooted in a subjective response; powerfully driven by your emotions over what happened to your daughter. I understand that, and sympathise, but weed is not a man made drug, weed does not cause hallucinations (at least, that I know of), weed is actually beneficial to your system and weed is not, in any way, a "gateway" drug to the hardcore stuff. The benefits of legalising weed far outweigh any potential - and minor -drawbacks.

      jasonsmuts - 2012-08-13 15:42

      haha 2 cents, again your comment has no fact, no argument, just your 2 cents, and clearly it isn't even worth that much. stop arguing with educated people, you really are embarrasing yourself and are actually not helping your cause at all

  • faureteggin - 2012-08-13 11:30

    Think about all the diseases these users get from sharing their dirty pot needles.

      werner.weber - 2012-08-13 11:39

      I am not sure if your comment was sarcastic or just ignorant. Please clarify. I hope it was sarcasm.

      clintsiren - 2012-08-13 11:40

      WOOOHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, should you be taken seriously??

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-08-13 11:41

      ? .......dirty pot needles ?. How old are you and have you been living in the dark pfff

      faureteggin - 2012-08-13 11:42

      Everyone knows that these addicts spike marijuana, end up turning tricks to get their ganja fix and then go crazy and eat babies.

      lostand.damnedskeptic - 2012-08-13 11:52

      lol

      werner.weber - 2012-08-13 11:58

      Ok... we've established it was sarcasm... I think.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 14:05

      If smoking the stuff gives you the munchies, imagine what a direct injection to the blood stream would do .. News Article: A food crisis has struck South Africa after the discovery of liquid weed. Liquid weed has quickly become the drug of choice for thousands of weed users; after achieving a minute high that is sustained by a feeling of contentedness, users are treated to an extreme desire to eat (a symptom experts have recently termed "the munchies") that lasts for several hours. President Zuma was approached by the media; but was unavailable for comment as he "was on lunch" and it was "unsure how long the lunch would last" a presidential spokesperson was quoted as mumbling around a slice of fruit cake.

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-13 17:48

      When was it recently named the munchies? If u consider late 50's recent then I guess so

      planehug - 2012-08-13 18:42

      9/10.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 19:35

      brendon.nel.7 - : It was a joke dude, the entire piece is tongue in cheek. I was also poking fun at how supposed "experts" like to adopt terminology that has been in use for years and then the media passes it off as some kind of professional breakthrough by said experts.

      faureteggin - 2012-08-13 21:28

      Thanks planehug.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 09:33

      This made me laugh, 10 "internets" an a bucket of "win" for you kind sir.

      faureteggin - 2012-08-14 18:09

      Thanks Havokreeka. My supply of internets has been running dangerously low. I suspect some of them were stolen by nefarious dope fiends and peddled in the township.

  • jc.jonck - 2012-08-13 11:42

    I've been horribly drunk in my life. Though I'm not a mischievious person, I've created a lot of problems for myself from alcohol consumption. Weed, on the other hand, makes we just want to relax, I don't even get angry at taxi's when I'm cooked...

      jmsepmybr.zuma - 2012-08-13 12:56

      LOL!! Me 2 sO TRUE...... rOLLING ONE NOw

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 13:46

      'Weed, on the other hand, makes we just want to relax' Imagine a doctor, fire fighter or life guard that just want to relax.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-13 14:02

      "Imagine a doctor, fire fighter or life guard that just want to relax." And alcohol?

      ross.mcfadyen - 2012-08-13 14:04

      @merven.. What kind of statement is that?? Alcohol makes you want to relax but you dont see doctors, firemen or lifeguards gesuip on duty?? Think man! Its about use in the privacy of ones on home..the same way people get home from work and have a glass of wine or whatever there personal choice of relaxant is!!

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 14:11

      Merven: Hopefully they have the self control and a professional attitude to not get cooked while on duty. Imagine a doctor, fire fighter or life guard having a small joint before bed .. my word; what a horrible unprofessional individual they must be.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 14:20

      @ james.whyte.104 - I'm against all drugs, drugs are for weaklings with self esteem issues.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 15:17

      "self Esteem issues" says the fat chef...

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 16:42

      @merven.halo doctors can hand out any prescription they want and your stuck on weed and alcohol. Dude you need to get out more. They have access to morphine , cocaine and medicinal weed etc , so they're sorted. They probably won't bother with the weed though.

      buzz.rsa - 2012-08-14 10:52

      @ Merven: "I'm against all drugs, drugs are for weaklings with self esteem issues." Does that include chocolate, processed sugar, coffee, energy drinks, panado, grandpa, cough syrup, aspirin and soda?

      pisciotta - 2012-08-14 12:25

      Mervin: I'm against all drugs, drugs are for weaklings with self esteem issues. Tell that to your Dr next time you have a cold, or the Clap or HIV or worse, your palm hurts from too much rubbing.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-14 14:57

      Lol @ Buzz and PJP, you don't drink cold medicine to boost your self image or to be 'in' with the crowd, or to make you self feel better about yourself.

      kyle.berry.90857 - 2012-08-15 12:53

      In which case merven... you have no idea why we use MJ. Not for my self esteem!! dnt be so closed in ur ideas, how can you expect some one to appreciate your opinion if u dnt appreciate theirs?

  • isabellameyer - 2012-08-13 11:55

    Yes, let's legalise a substance that not only alters your brain chemically permanently (unlike alcohol) and never goes back to the previous state, doubles the chances of schizophrenia and is seen as the gateway drug to other drugs - most people start with dope and then move onto others. To not even speak about the impact it has on safety of our society - children not being fed, people driving while high etc. etc. And while we're at it, legalise other drugs as well, if the argument that people use it anyway holds water. It makes a lot of sense. NOT.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-08-13 12:09

      Crap!!!

      Billy - 2012-08-13 12:11

      "alters your brain chemically permanently (unlike alcohol)" go read up about alcohol again, go run. maybe if you drank less it would stick. your brain been shrinking lately? or is it a side affect from alcohol fetal syndrome? have you ever thought that, people move on to other drugs, because they realise that weed is not really as bad as everyone makes it out to be, they have been lied to. then they think well maybe its like that with the other drugs as well.... where if weed was classed or considered to be not so harmfull, the step "through the gateway" would be less likely to happen.

      ross.mcfadyen - 2012-08-13 12:16

      "....not only alters your brain chemically permanently" - please show some evidence for this absurd statement..i dont think you have any idea what you're saying. People fail to see the fact that weed being illegal causes people to go out and get their stash from a dealer who is probably selling other hardcore drugs as well..thats where the whole gateway theory comes from. There is nothing about weed that makes you want to try anything 'harder', it still comes down to personal decision. Try think for yourself, if weed was regulated and sold in the same manner as alcohol then there is no blackmarket, rather a safer environment for people to buy what they choose, without being hustled into buying other narcotics. As for your schizo argument which i dont think you fully understand either, first of all its a genetic disorder meaning it cant be caused by smoking weed. Although someone with a genetic predisposition can accelerate the process by smoking weed.. meaning they were going to be schizo anyway so its not a good idea to do anything. The number of marijuana users around the world has risen a huge amount in the last 50 years..if so, where is the increase in schizo cases.. i dont see any?? Free the weed!!

      jasongavin.leroux - 2012-08-13 12:55

      dear, you also know not of what you speak. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? Seriously? It "alters your brain chemically permanently unlike alcohol"? Seriously? How many people a year die from alcohol related causes as well as direct INTOXIFICATION?(that means that something is toxic and if you have too much of it you will die) I cannot count that many people. On the other hand how many people have died directly/indirectly in the whole of existance from marijuana, I'll tell you. Not one. Dating back to the mayans and the egyptians, NOT EVEN ONE. I can tell you just as an accurate guess how many died from alcohol last night, I dunno, at least 10?

      jmsepmybr.zuma - 2012-08-13 12:58

      Missing the point Lady...

      Ayanda Itsweng - 2012-08-13 13:45

      Ur response would be funny if it weren't so sad!! U need to educate urself a lil more on cannabis before making baseless comments!!

      dave.e.richman - 2012-08-13 14:00

      Isabella..... you have it all wrong there, lady. Substitute booze and / or gambling and you will be closer to the truth.... People driving while high? Nah.... the last thing I feel like doing after a spliff is driving.... and if necessary, then you tend to creep along in a relaxed manner. And as for it being a 'gateway drug to other drugs'.... just the same as having a drink is a gateway to being an alcoholic. Some do and some don't.... the two do not go hand in hand. Moderation is the key, as it is with everything.

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-08-13 14:08

      Did you just make up all that rubbish on the fly, post some proof why don't you.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 14:16

      I'm sorry Isabelle, but your facts are wrong. There is zero evidence for permanent brain damage by weed; however, there is ample evidence for it by alcohol: http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa63/aa63.htm And no, weed is not a gateway drug. I have a friend who has been smoking weed since he was about 15, he's now 29 and weed is the strongest drug he's ever taken. It would be a good idea to do your research prior to making comments; that way, you not only further educate yourself ( always a good thing :-D ), but you prevent yourself from looking gullible ( note the polite word use ) to others.

      carol.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-08-13 16:52

      Correction - most people start with cigarettes and alcohol, isabellameyer....

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-08-13 17:44

      Reeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaard!!!!! I've never met a chemical addict who didn't start on either booze or cigarettes. Next time u have one to many at your prissy party. Just remember YOU are the addict.

      arne.verhoef - 2012-08-13 19:40

      Wow! What an educated, fact-filled argument. May I enquire, how does it alter your brain permanently? Would you rather be a permanently relaxed individual? Or, an a$$hole only temporarily, when you socialise? Shizophrenia? The numbers of pot-smokers have increased exponentially, yet cases of schizophrenia have remained constant. Gateway drug? Well, I promise you, if I had to buy my beer from a shady individual, because the laws in my country prohibit it, I promise you Ill be exposed to other drugs, and feel inclined to try them too, 'because hey, this alcohol stuff isnt so bad, and thats banned, so these other things cant be so bad either'. Danger to society? Lady. Have you read the news? Have you recently heard of a judge driving into a wall 'cos he was high on pot? Or the problems in the northern cape, where foetal dagga syndrome is so rampant? Or a guy that took a blunt or two, and killed his family? How a tokers wife has to endure violence-filled evenings, fearing for her life, and that of her children's, because daddy's on the puff? I suggest you take a long look in the mirror, and tell yourself youre being silly.

      arne.verhoef - 2012-08-13 19:41

      Also, such a lovely post of Oscar Pistorius on your wall. Don't you think you should practice what you preach?

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-08-13 20:19

      wow isabella, that's what happens if you get your info from books written in the 1960's. You should update your misinformation darling

      canna.binoid.1 - 2012-08-13 22:43

      Excuse me, your beloved alcohol is one of the most destructive drugs on the planet. Cannabis is literally safer than peanuts. Please use google and find out for yourself.

      kyle.buitendag - 2012-08-14 08:16

      You are an idjit, isabellameyer, if you dont know what you talking about, rather shut your trap.......

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 09:39

      In the about section of Isabella on her facebook profile: "I was born to catch dragons in their dens And pick flowers To tell tales and laugh away the morning To drift and dream like a lazy stream And walk barefoot across sunshine days" So you're against weed, but seem to indulge in a fair amount of psychedelics? This is just another example of the religious minority ruining the planet for the rest of us.

      lotus.river.5 - 2012-08-14 15:21

      Ok isabella,let's start with alcohol and the brain.acute intoxication-can lead to fits,stupor,coma and death.acute withdrawal-can present with fits,delerium,and death.chronic use leads to korsakoffs psychosis and wernickes encephalopathy.I'll leave you to google that and inform yourself.it also causes cerebellar atrophy,that's why you see them drunks walking funny and shaking.that's only the brain.other effects:liver cirrosis which can cause liver failure,heart failure from alcohol associated dilated cardiomyopathy.then the social problems related to dependence and abuse.and when it comes to schizophrenia,an intelligent psychiatrist would not even mention a direct causality between schizophrenia and canabis.currently,it is postulated than chronic use for more than 15 years is associated with increased risk to schizophrenia,but another argument is that people who are likely to develop schizophrenia are more likely to use drugs of abuse because the condition is characterized by imbalances in certain chemicals such as GABA,serotonin or dopamine,and use of these drugs may provide temporary relief.so,the association is still postulated.the only other psychiatric condition associated to weed smoking is canabis induced psychosis.this also in time,I believe will be proved to be a nonentity as most of those patients develop schizophrenia on follow up.so,in short,isabella you are talking BS.

      jaded.oldfart - 2012-08-14 23:37

      my wife was just like you, Isabella - full of negative conceptions of weed, fed by years of brain-washing. it took a few years, but eventually she realised that everything she had been led to believe was wrong. now she is the first to say that she would far prefer me to have a joint at the end of the day than a drink. either will relax me, but the joint makes me a bit mellow, and my normal nice guy self, keen to converse and communicate, while the drink usually makes me bitter and miserable, isolated and sour, and gives me a hangover to boot.

      jaded.oldfart - 2012-08-14 23:45

      @joe.soap: i've been smoking since i was 15, and i'm now 52. the only attraction i have had to stronger drugs is nicotine (successfully given up), coffee (down to 3 cups per day), and sugar (use halved: 1 sugar and 1 sweetener substitute). i have never had a problem not smoking weed for extended periods, like when i am working abroad for months at a time. i have more of a problem when my (legally prescribed) sleeping tablets run out. funny, though - i don't need them after a J.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-15 08:59

      jaded.oldfart : My point exactly. There are far more positives to smoking weed than there are negatives; hence why I support the legalisation of cannabis. It's usually ignorant people that make the most absurd claims though because they've either never tried it or are only going on word of mouth about it (usually from people who haven't tried it) or both.

      thabo.a.selane - 2013-03-19 16:45

      your talking nonsesne

  • werner.weber - 2012-08-13 12:02

    It is actually quite scary to see the ignorance amongst those who are anti cannabis. They show no insight, no understanding or history of cannabis. They just prove over and over again why the world is in such a shocking state. People will take any piece of information they are given without doing their own research and finding answers for themselves objectively.

      mike.down.5492 - 2012-08-13 12:12

      SA is not a well educated society, by legalizing we will unclassify millions as criminals and will destroy drug cartels, just look at what's happening in Mexico. The move is definately to legalize/decriminalize cannabis.

  • jmsepmybr.zuma - 2012-08-13 12:53

    Now That Would Create lots of jobs! Nice ..

  • fall.like.leaves - 2012-08-13 13:01

    KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! You will not be able to see his eyes because of the Tea-Shades, but his knuckles will be white from inner tension and his pants will be crusted with semen from constantly jacking off when he can't find a rape victim. He will stagger and babble when questioned. He will not respect your badge. The Dope Fiend fears nothing. He will attack, for no reason, with every weapon at his command-including yours. BEWARE. Any officer apprehending a suspected marijuana addict should use all necessary force immediately. One stitch in time (on him) will usually save nine on you. Good luck.

      Billy - 2012-08-13 13:03

      lol

      fall.like.leaves - 2012-08-14 17:03

      :)

  • sven.claassen.10 - 2012-08-13 13:05

    @2_cents - your daughter probably started using heroin because of you.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 14:27

      The man is entitled to his opinion which is driven by his daughters prior addiction to heroine. It's perfectly understandable that he'd take a negative view on drugs. It's rather insensitive of you to insult him in such a manner; especially when he's more than likely already blamed himself (at least once) for what happened. If you have nothing nice to say, or are incapable of responding like an adult, then rather don't say anything at all. Insults like these serve only to lower the already worrisomely low bar on these forums. Anonymity is a b!tch.

      Billy - 2012-08-13 16:34

      what did he expect throwing that information out on a public site. HE is the one that chose to use his daughter as a tool to get his point across. thats just wrong in my books. no mercy from me, sorry

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-13 19:38

      He probably expected to be treated like an adult, not as if he were back in high school; being mocked for having an opinion that clashed with those of his peers.

      andrew.newman.98837 - 2012-08-13 21:08

      sorry to nitpick but heroin is the drug heroine is a female hero

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-14 09:33

      jonroger.blagget : It is sad I agree 100% and yes, he is inviting ridicule due to his closed-minded ignorance. But does that mean the ridicule is justified? Perhaps soft-insults yes, such as "you are stupid" or "you are ignorant and foolish" - but insulting a father by saying that it's HIS fault his child garnered an addiction to heroin? How is that justifiable? It's not and never will be. It's heartless and cruel. One has to remember that it's easy to shut one's mind out to reason when something emotionally powerful enough has taken hold. In this case, 2cent's resentment for all drugs. Considering what happened to his "little girl", it's not difficult to sympathise with his situation. Personally, I take issue with his ignorance and his general "I'm 100% correct and everyone who disagree's with me is a drug addict" attitude. But you don't see me insulting him because of it. I just wish people would exercise restraint and respond like adults and not as if they were still struggling with puberty and supplying the stereotypical prepubescent response one would expect from a teenager or child. // he as a father could/should have educated her // How do you know he hasn't (unless he mentioned it)? Just because a parent educates their child on drugs, doesn't mean that the child will refrain from partaking in those drugs in the future. Peer pressure and the desire to fit in play a big part in a individuals life and, in most cases, supersede the advise from the parent(s).

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 09:43

      Andrew Newman - Grammar Nazi At our service. I salute you!

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 13:13

    @ Author,Dagga legalisation will lead to an increase of crime rate ( which is already in control) especially brutal rapes and murders.Because when someone smokes dagga,He become uncontrollably violent,merciless and irritable.

      Tony-Lapson - 2012-08-13 13:23

      Is that you, President Nixon?

      ross.mcfadyen - 2012-08-13 13:46

      @Harold.. Well lets look at Portugal which decriminalized all drugs back in 2001.. In the 11 years since then they have had decreased youth drug use, falling overdose and HIV/AIDS rates, less crime, reduced criminal justice expenditures, greater access to drug treatment, and safer and healthier communities. Sounds like a winner to me?? http://www.alternet.org/story/151546/portugal_celebrates_10_year_anniversary_of_decriminalizing_drugs_by_tony_newman

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 14:10

      Idjit ... Your thinking of Meth or CAT.

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-08-13 14:12

      You're confusing ALCHOHOL with DAGGA. When you smoke you're too chilled to become violent, I prove that on a daily basis.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 14:39

      So you,Carl, Ross,damn and your fella are you indeed proudly DAGGA LORDS?

      ross.mcfadyen - 2012-08-13 15:01

      @Harold.. Dagga Lords?? Sounds interesting..please explain??

      CaptainGaza - 2012-08-13 15:17

      Peeps, leave Harold alone, he's an idiot.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 15:18

      Well that escalated quickly...

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 17:23

      @ Captain,Remove your speck first before .... . .otherwise u r gonna idiotic as u r.

      Roulon du Toit - 2012-08-13 18:09

      @Harold Wow, for someone that claims the others are 'stupid' because of dagga you sure put them in their place with your excellent grasp of the language.

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-08-13 20:13

      OOYES! HAROLD HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING TOO MUCH OF JESUS' BLOOD AGAIN????

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 20:18

      Oo no! Dave Dave Dave.Remember snoop dog was arrested because of the same stuff you are smoking.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-13 21:08

      Harold you're confusing stoners with ANCYL supporters... But thanks for the laugh, I know it's wrong to laugh athose with mental disabilities. Sorry, it's a side effect from the "dagga"

      dave.prinsloo - 2012-08-13 21:29

      So Snoop was arrested. Your point? Ooh, wait I know, Jesus loves me, right. Tool

      CaptainGaza - 2012-08-14 07:46

      Harold, with your reply, I rest my case. You are most certainly an uneducated, uninformed, idiot!!!

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-14 09:06

      @ Captain,yawn! Some incorrigible minds and putrid brains.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-14 09:06

      @ Captain,yawn! Some incorrigible minds and putrid brains.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-14 09:41

      The Netherlands legalised weed and there was no increase in crime. Snoop Dog's arrest is not evidence that weed causes the effects you claim it does. You are making the assumption that because Snoopy was on weed then that must have been the cause. By that logic, I could drink a can of Fanta Orange then go and shoot somebody in the head and it would be the Fanta Orange that caused it. I.E: Fanta Orange causes people to murder. Please provide evidence for your claim that weed induces violence, mercilessness and irritability because my experience in it has never induced anything remotely resembling what you mention. Stop trolling.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-14 09:51

      @ joe,when someone has loved something ,No matter how bad it is, he finds the ways of embellishing it.Ihav seen people doing things lunatically and ferociously bcoz of it.

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-14 15:01

      // he finds the ways of embellishing it // That doesn't mean that weed causes the effects you have mentioned. As with all drugs, it requires moderation - however, I still haven't found any evidence stating that weed - even when used excessively - causes those effects. I am not aware of any cases, anywhere in the world where someone inhaled cannabis and became violent, merciless or irritable. Again, please provide solid evidence to support your claim; this means scientifically accepted - peer reviewed - research studies carried out by qualified individuals.

  • terence.makapan - 2012-08-13 13:13

    What difference would it make? Everyone is already smoking dagga like it's legal anyway.

      sachasea - 2012-08-13 14:38

      Three reasons it would make a huge difference off the top of my head, there are countless more: 1) that all of the money society could be making from a legal regulated trade in cannabis ends up going into the pockets of criminals, thugs and gangsters 2) people run the risk of a criminal record and jail time for choosing to use a substance less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. Police and justice resources should be freed up to be used for dealing with real crimes that actually have victims i.e. robbery/murder/rape etc. 3) sick people could be prescribed it legally by their doctor and be able to access it through government sanctioned and regulated dispensaries.

  • licini.machado - 2012-08-13 13:44

    @just my 2 cents,you need to smoke some weed dude because you the one that needs an asylum.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-08-13 13:46

    Heaven help us if a doctor have to operate on a patient and used before he goes into the operating room or a traffic cop trying to "swing" direction. Same old "drack". Just as bad as pleading to legalise porn! Some people really are so "weed" already they can't see / read straight anymore. Insulting people who prefer NOT to have it legalised shows exactly your IQ level which is exactly 0 due to all the weed. But hey whatever makes you happy to stay in a zombie state of mind – knock yourselves out and enjoy!

      ross.mcfadyen - 2012-08-13 14:00

      Whos talking about doctors using it before operating on someone?? Would you let a doctor operate on you after a few beers?? Id hope not!! Thats not the point!! Its about being able to choose what you can put in your own body and not have the government tell you what is right. People are allowed to buy guns, sky dive and drive around at high speeds in metal boxes (cars) which all endanger our lives..so why are we not allowed to smoke a herb that causes no harm to anyone around us?? Oh and porn is already legal so no need pleading for that...

      dave.e.richman - 2012-08-13 14:05

      Er..... porn IS legal. Or did you miss that somewhere down the line? I have a joint or two every night before I go to sleep. Same as some people have a glass of wine or a brandy. No hangover, and fresh as a daisy in the morning.... and I do my job very well.

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 14:11

      @eyesears.handsfeet "makes you happy to stay in a zombie state of mind" Sound like religion to me...

      Billy - 2012-08-13 17:10

      ""The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this." - Albert Einstein quote on Hemp"

      merven.halo - 2012-08-14 07:40

      "makes you happy to stay in a zombie state of mind" Like these dudes, lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kEdr4FmbwU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAcCmA-nXAQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vrZTYyXTw

      joe.soap.1806253 - 2012-08-14 09:51

      //Heaven help us if a doctor have to operate on a patient and used before he goes into the operating room or a traffic cop trying to "swing" direction. // Then we might as well make alcohol illegal. Nothing is stopping your doctor from operating on you after several dops. Like with alcohol, we can only hope the doctor is professional enough not to smoke weed prior to performing an operation. // Same old "drack". Just as bad as pleading to legalise porn! // Porn is legal. Child-porn is not. Animal-porn is not. // Some people really are so "weed" already they can't see / read straight anymore. // Evidence for this claim please? All current investigations into weed show that its effects are temporary, lasting no more than a few hours. There is no scientifically sound evidence that weed causes any damage - short term, or long term. // Insulting people who prefer NOT to have it legalised shows exactly your IQ level which is exactly 0 due to all the weed. // Can you even comprehend the level of hypocrisy in this statement? // But hey whatever makes you happy to stay in a zombie state of mind – knock yourselves out and enjoy! // They intend to.

  • Tawizee - 2012-08-13 13:55

    Keep it burning.

  • carl.angus.56 - 2012-08-13 14:00

    The amount of ignorance around weeds is crazy, all perpetuated by those 1950's reefer madness rubbish and never really researched or questioned since. Clearly just_my_2cents is just as misinformed as those paranoid moegoes of yester-year. Legalise!

  • luke.brusatori - 2012-08-13 14:02

    So long as the term dagga is used the plant will for ever have negative connotations attached to it. STOP USING THE WORD DAGGA !!! Use the proper term Cannabis if you really want sound respectful and professional towards the plant and its legalization.

      carl.angus.56 - 2012-08-13 14:14

      I wouldn't get uptight about nomenclature, have a look at this rather.. http://daggacouple.co.za/

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 08:27

      DC for president(s) They'll certainly do a better job than Zuma not that he's set the bar high.

      Billy - 2012-08-15 18:49

      hectic, watched that daggacouple video, VERY well done. so the stupid apartheid people are responsible for the prohibition of weed as well? across the planet? idiots!!

  • afortuin - 2012-08-13 14:21

    @merven.halo You my friend, are quite clearly an idiot. Let's draw a comparison shall we? If I were to follow your logic. I could say that every person who drinks is an alcoholic. Really? Think before you type. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

      merven.halo - 2012-08-13 14:34

      For somebody that is too stupid to comment under the topic at hand, you should rather stay away from computers, talk about being an idiot. Ah, I see you're a Caps Flat mongrel. That explains a lot, stay way from TIK!

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-13 15:21

      why is it that any one who confronts you on your ridiculous logic, you tell them they are stupid...look in the mirror and re-read what you post first.

      Billy - 2012-08-13 17:20

      "why is it that any one who confronts you on your ridiculous logic, you tell them they are stupid" classic indication of a troll

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 08:30

      Merven, coming from the chicken-sh*t hiding behind a fake facebook profile this is rich. Now please go troll 4chan, the grown ups are trying to have a discussion.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-14 10:11

      Talk about chicken sh*t, what is on you face? The idea is that you must smoke weed, not use it as face mask.

      lotus.river.5 - 2012-08-14 14:51

      Merven maybe you should go to the sports section of the news and leave debate to people with some logic,this is clearly too beyond you

  • CaptainGaza - 2012-08-13 14:46

    All hail the mighty weed. Use it dont abuse it and it will look after you. Less stress, more calm, less anger, more laughs, less anxiety, more relaxation. It is not addictive and has no harmful side effects. It's cheap and affordable, you dont drive like an ahole and does curb the consumption of alcohol.

  • sachasea - 2012-08-13 14:50

    A big thank you to Duncan Alfreds for addressing this controversial topic and in doing so encouraging the debate that we urgently need. If only our politicians would be so bold as to give us their input. Thank you to Buzz too for carrying the torch high and proud.

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 08:31

      Hehehehehehe "...Buzz too for carrying the torch high and proud." I bet he carries a lot of things while high. Couldn't resist.

  • buzz.rsa - 2012-08-13 14:54

    Thank you Duncan and News24 for having the discussion. Objectivity is the way forward. Looks like there's a few of the usual "legal weed = murder and heroin and rape and being high on the job and craziness and and and". My money is on these opinions not being supported by facts or figures. Just lots of condescending stuff about how fried your brain is and what an apocalyptic loser your are. This taint will also be applied to those who don't partake, yet are able to see the reason in a world with legal cannabis. Sadly this dwindling minority are their own worst enemy. The dude going on about his heroin addicted daughter hit the nail on the head in a tragic way. Providing 80% of drug dealing income with an illegal popular extremely low harm substance such as cannabis fuels the exposure and profits of hard drug trade. So what this guy is saying is: "My daughter messed up her life with heroin, which has wounded her and myself deeply. I support a policy that will continue to sponsor hard drug use at increasing rates so that millions more people than need be can suffer as we have, even if this policy makes criminals of innocent cannabis users at a huge and pointless expense to everyone. So I solemnly swear"

      CaptainGaza - 2012-08-13 15:19

      Well up Buzz. I like your work!!! Keep up the fight!!!

      kyle.berry.90857 - 2012-08-15 13:05

      Buzz is da man!!! soooo much RESPECT!!

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-08-13 15:22

    Dave & Ross - I guess Children's Ponography is also legal? I forgot, it is legal it seems! Happy weeding and in 6 weeks time when the subject will be brought up again, the same "drack" will be spilled, as usual!

      Billy - 2012-08-13 18:57

      "I guess Children's Ponography is also legal? I forgot, it is legal it seems!" what?

      planehug - 2012-08-13 18:59

      Literally can't tell if you are trolling. Happy "weeding"? are you serious? Do you know that little? Surely you must be having a laugh? Clearly you know how to use a computer, so here's a hint: www.google.com. Please go and find evidence that support your claims instead of just pouring out bigoted bias. We've done our homework, why can't you? This is like you trying to have a discussion about a book that you haven't even read. It makes you sound incompetent. Incompetent as hell. On the off chance that you're trolling, 6/10.

  • dmostert2 - 2012-08-13 15:26

    We've got leverage the medical benefits, highlight the socio-economic argument, point out the relevant industrial and nutritional applica... oh look a meerkat! Funny little bugger standing on his hind legs... hello Timon. I'm hungry...

  • aubrey.mnisi1 - 2012-08-13 15:50

    WORD!!!

  • becky.jamieson1 - 2012-08-13 15:56

    I dont smoke weed or drink alcohol or smoke cigs anymore but I know plenty of people who do and they are very strong confident people. I personally wouldnt want someone close to me to drink or smoke but I dont think there is anything wrong with it. For the idiot who said that weed is used by people who have no self confidence is clearly a narrow minded stiff with no life. I smoked weed in high school because I wanted to know what it felt like to be high and it was awesome. All those who know me can tell you that I have tons of self confidence. I say make it legal with restrictions. Im sure more people die in car accidents because of a drunk driver then a high driver. So if you can legalize alcohol then why not weed. Also, cigs cause many health problems and so does alcohol but so far I have not read a single article about weed and the health implications(because there is none). Just saying:-)

  • Econwald - 2012-08-13 16:20

    another wrong decision

      jody.beggs - 2012-08-13 16:46

      Yes your mom should have had the abortion.

      planehug - 2012-08-13 19:01

      How about some backup for why it's a wrong decision? Let's foster a discussion based on evidence and not bigoted speculation, shall we?

      Havokreeka - 2012-08-14 08:36

      Guys, he's an ANCYL member. They don't need to back up their bullsh*t. They just allow it to flow freely. I also feel the need to point out the irony of an ANCYL member having the cheek to say "another wrong decision"

  • Billy - 2012-08-13 17:16

    a quote i came across.. ""In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. It is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man." -Francis L. Young, Administrative Law Judge of the US drug police DEA, September 6, 1988"

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-08-13 17:35

    if it's good enough for michael phelps, it's good enough for me!

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 18:40

      Dave Dave Dave! Oo no! Dont tell me that u also. . . .pliz.

      planehug - 2012-08-13 19:02

      Yup. Him, Me, Steve Jobs, Michael Phelps, Bill Gates, Sr Richard Branson. To name a few.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-13 19:48

      @plunang, Ok as long as you dont. . . .after smoking.

      james.whyte.104 - 2012-08-14 07:36

      Bill "I did not inhale" Clinton

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-08-13 17:38

    only two draw-backs to the holy herb - too much of it stuffs up your hair, and err..can't remember the other thing now..