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SA plan to sell rhino horn

2012-07-13 10:31

Johannesburg - South African conservationists have unveiled a plan to sell rhino horns legally and directly to Chinese pharmaceutical companies, The Star reported on Friday.

"Let's try it out for five years and see what impact it has," Ezemvelo KwaZulu-Natal Wildlife's former conservation planning chief Roger Porter said in Durban on Thursday, as the formal proposal was presented to the International Wildlife Management Congress.

He said the horns would be sold in the same way diamonds were sold by the De Beers corporation.

The Star reported the price would be controlled by a central selling organisation, with sales held at OR Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg four times a year.

The money used from horn sales would be used to fund rhino conservation efforts.

More than 270 rhino had been slaughtered for their horns so far this year. Rhino horn is used to make traditional medicine, which is mainly consumed in Asia.

Porter acknowledged the proposal was not a "silver bullet" to halt poaching.

"If it reduces poaching significantly let's carry on with it. But if it doesn't reduce poaching, then stop the sales."

Comments
  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-07-13 10:38

    I'm not keen on the idea but if it can curb the poaching then go for it... Every other idea has failed so far doesn't matter how much effort is put in.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:01

      At last, someone sensible. Yes, create a legal and controlled market. I was a victim of Rhino poaching this year, and I am an active rhino protector and owner, and I personally do not want to sell rhino horn, but I do want to keep the poachers away, and this is the most sensible suggestion yet

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-07-13 11:11

      I recommend covering it with a substance that will guarantee impotence.

      ann.murray.9279 - 2012-07-13 11:15

      SURELY NOT! I do not pretend to know the correct answer to this dilemma, but by legalising trade? .... I weep for our animals - and the suffering they endure. This may just open the market for other 'legal' trade in the tusks of elephant, lion bones, etc to fuel even more lunacy!

      burtfred.brown - 2012-07-13 11:22

      Where will the rhino horns for sale come from? Will they be harvested off live rhino?

      christian.erasmus - 2012-07-13 11:26

      @ann.murray.9279, if the export of rhino horns are controlled, the selling of it on the black market will decline immensely, as would the death's of rhinos, plus the money would go to the rhino conservations...I fully agree with this system and if everyone helps with this, this can only work!

      ahenriquesfernandes - 2012-07-13 11:47

      @ann.murray.9279 There is no need to kill the Rhino for it's horn. It can be harvested every year as it grows back (just like human finger nails grow back). So if the buyers overseas are going through official channels and the pricing is controlled hopefully the poachers will be less inclined to take the risk of being caught and the black market trade will slow down. it would become an organised farming industry instead - which would maybe create jobs as well. The pro's out weigh the cons.

      Walter - 2012-07-13 11:53

      Before the trade is commenced, through a legalised central agency, all rhinos should be registered and DNA sampling done. Every horn sold must be identified, whether from harvested animals or those legally hunted. One of the problems will be to get the co-operation of all rhino owners; AND don't forget, we have a bunch of dirty criminals in this country who are up to their necks in the illegal trade. They have to come out of the woodwork. This matter has to be approached with extreme care..... and CITES has to be 100% for it!

      Bond - 2012-07-13 13:13

      Greedy bastards, wants to pocket that money.

      jacques.theron.3304 - 2012-07-13 14:26

      This reminds me of an experiment done in the UK with heroine. A centre for drug addicts actually gace heroine to addicts, supplying them legally for a change. The addicts were able to return to a normal life of productivity and were able to work, not needing to sell all their stuff for a fix. The interesting part was the unexpected added benifit, there were almost no new people to become adicted to heroine. The reason being, well, the rebel factor went away, but most importantly the srug dealers went away because they couldnt do bussiness anymore because their clients were getting a free fix from the government. But due to US preassure the UK government stopped the program.

      andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-07-13 18:28

      Ann Murray. Every year there are millions of sheep shorn for there wool and despite thousands of sheep 'poached' being poached every year the sheep is a very long long way from extinction. Bunny huggers are half of the problem because they incentivise poaching by denying legitimate supply. I am so glad to have common sense.

      Preshen - 2012-07-14 10:05

      You have to make money it is the recession

      leon.laubscher.58 - 2012-07-27 09:55

      The rhino horns that will be sold will come from the immense stockpiles that already exists. Therefore no rhinos will be killed or de-horned. By flooding the market with legal rhino horns, the price for illegal rhino horns will drop drastically and the black market for rhino horns will then (hopefully) eventually collapse. It has its risks (corruption, etc) but it seems to be our last resort at this stage. I say go for it!

  • Adil Smit - 2012-07-13 10:40

    No!!! Rhino horn does not help for anything. This will only encourage the idiots that believe it does. It's a false trade.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:02

      Please Adil, reconsider, this will save the Rhino, it is the only way. I am free to discuss this matter at length. I own Rhino, and have had rhino poached. We cannot leave things the way they were, they will poach rhino to extinction

      jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-07-13 11:03

      Adil what's better, the horn coming from storage or a horn coming from a brutally killed rhino?!

      Adil Smit - 2012-07-13 11:19

      Trade is meant to be based on something of substance: food, diamonds etc. Selling rhino horn will increase the demand further - we all know how many Chinese there are. Think it's very naieve to think this will decrease poaching - not at the price rhino horn is selling. Read a report the other day that the Chinese believe lion bones also useful. The problem is that the Chinese government acts brutally against anyone even thinking to hurt their country ( a South African alledged drug mule was executed there recently ) but know that in South Africa they will hardly get any punishment for poaching - so why would they stop? Selling rhino horn is like a pyramid scheme - it's selling something you fully knows is the equivalent of thickened skin to people who are stupid enough to believe it's a cure for impotence, cancer etc. But at the price it's selling someone will make a LOT of money - this is sickening. Rhino, lions, what next?

      christian.erasmus - 2012-07-13 11:39

      So what solution do you suggest?

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-07-13 12:18

      The problem is thinking that you know everything when you are clueless

      andynct - 2012-07-13 13:27

      Homeopathy is a scientifically proven myth. Yet millions of westerners still believe in it and pay billions. Do you really think we can convince asians overnight that modern drugs are better than rhino horn?

  • pmbadenhorst - 2012-07-13 10:41

    first common sense on the issue well done SA

  • francoisvandyk - 2012-07-13 10:45

    Attended a discussion last year between conservationists and this seems to be the only reasonable and realistic solution. Educating the Asians that rhino horn is useless is not working so rather control this than let the senseless killings continue.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-07-13 12:19

      Who are we to teach Asians bout their beliefs and customs?

  • Gareth - 2012-07-13 10:45

    five years is too long in my opinion. But there seems to be some logic. Will there public participation in helping to develop and monitor the process? It might also bring the king-pins out of the shadows and make it easier to trace their networks. and prices might be more easily regulated, making poaching less financially attractive...

  • Enki - 2012-07-13 10:46

    Ye, sell the stuff the state keeps in storage so that government can benefit from the money and use it towards a downpayment on their new Boeing. Idiots!

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:03

      what a pathetic contribution to such a serious issue

      Marco - 2012-07-13 11:41

      enki is 100% right robodildo. government will take the money and laugh at guys who fell for their latest scheme (you)

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:28

      Well Marcousername, what an intellectual and well considered contribution you made to this rather serious subject. Thank you. The Rhino needs to be saved, and the legal sale of stockpiles of Rhino horn is the best suggestion yet. And btw, the government is the biggest shareholder in Rhino ownership and protection, they have many very dedicated staff managing our national parks, and yesMarco, you genius, they will take the money, it is their job to manage and administrate the Parks and the Rhino

  • ace.selaledi - 2012-07-13 10:46

    cruelity to the animals, the conservationist are so ignorand they just focus on their narrow ideology of preserving the species. what about the welfare of the animal. the animal has a horn for a specific reason, we ae now going to affect the animal physiological and psychological well-being....it's a game plan that they had in the beggining!

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-07-13 12:20

      Its a shame they dont see it as animal cruelty but when blacks slaughter cows they see that as animal cruelty.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 15:07

      ah Sanda, how u have been waiting on the wings to add that inane comment hey? Gee Sanda and Ace, I sure hope you two grow up one day into something useful, in the meantime, please rather comment on football and netball or something, Rhino is a serious and urgent subject

  • kevin.wright.58555 - 2012-07-13 10:47

    Desperate times calls for desperate measures!!! Not sure if i agree but we have to try something. 270 Killed this year alone! Shocking.

  • juan.nel.184 - 2012-07-13 10:48

    This will only make the market stronger and now they will definitely think that it’s got medicinal benefits! And being in such a fraudulent country in who’s pocket will this money end up in?

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:06

      Wrong Juan, this will create a legitimate and controlled market and will nail those poaching and smuggling networks. This will save the Rhino. Not much we can really do for you, Ace Enki and a few others, but hell, we can live without you guys, but we need to save the Rhino, and this will work!

      Harald - 2012-07-13 11:37

      also, if the ppl die of cancer anyway... ppl will see the uselessness of the product!!

      jack.oosthuysen - 2012-07-13 11:39

      Juan exactly. Compare it with gold and diamonds, as long as there is value to the product people will wheel and deal in it. In the case of Rhinos kill and deal.

  • Matthew Patrick - 2012-07-13 10:50

    Although adding 'legal' rhino horn to the market might reduce the need for poaching it won't reduce demand. People need to learn that rhino horn has no medicinal qualities whatsoever! Legal horn trading will only help ease the symptom of the problem and not the cause.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:11

      Agreed Mathew, but this will buy us some time, time to start educating people, without losing between 300 and 600 rhino to poaching a year. The stockpile can easily replace that amount without having to cull one Rhino, so yes, this is the most pro active plan since the poaching got so out of hand.

      andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-07-15 10:59

      Poacherless demand for rhino horn is good for Rhino populations, job creation and South Africas balance of payments. If its true that Rhino horn does not work then consumption is a way to find out.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-07-13 11:00

    Finally... This is something I completely agree with. Lets try turn this into something that is useful for conservation, and it will kill the poaching market in my opinion. Anything that will help save this countries wildlife is welcome.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 11:11

      Give this man a Bells

  • BubblesdoubleO7 - 2012-07-13 11:10

    I cannot agree with this mindset. There is no medicinal aid in rhino horns, and now innocent animals have to die for nothing. I hope these conservationists can live with their conscience. Sorry rhino's.

      jake.neumann.35 - 2012-07-13 11:26

      No need to kill a rhino when the horn is harvested. No damage to the animal and rhinos bred for the harvesting of their horns, are kept in a predator-less environment. So in this case the horn is redundant,but it can help keep free-roaming rhino horns where they belong; on the animals.

      gerry.pelser - 2012-07-13 11:37

      Thats the best part - the animals don;t have to die! no, no one wants a horn-less rhino, but I'd rather have a de-horned beast than not having one at all.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:30

      Let us hope sensible people prevail, because all the bunny huggers in the world are not going to save the Rhino. In fact, the Rhino need to be saved in spite of bunny huggers

  • maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-13 11:20

    Its worth a try..? Is it possible to remove horn without injuring the animals? Because it could then become a legitimate farming business and many emerging farmers could benefit from the trade. How did they get the ivory poaching under control. That industry seems to have died a natural death.. Perhaps at some point these fools eating the equivalent of someone else's toe nails will get the point!

      lisa.scriven.79 - 2012-07-13 20:18

      Maylani just to correct your mistaken impression that the ivory poaching has been "brought under control"; this is by no means the case. East Africa is struggling gravely with this at present. And the use of rhino horn is rather more complex than you suggest; its cultural (and medicinal) use dates back thousands of years. And yes, rhino horn can be removed without injury... There is a mountain of information on all of these issues available to anyone with internet access. Not to mention the countless articles that have appeared in the media. I can happily refer you to www.rhino-economics.com for detailed info on rhino trade.

  • robert.cerff - 2012-07-13 11:20

    The biggest issue with the trade is the demand... if you keep supplying the demand either legally or illegally you'll never be rid of the problem. This is NOT a good idea.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-13 11:28

      economics 101 - increased supply reduces price and demand.

      gerry.pelser - 2012-07-13 11:36

      Robert - ever heard of prohibition? The largest quantity per capita of alcohol ever consumed was when it was illegal. "Banning" something only creates demand. Freeing up the market, does the opposite. Prohibition is a case study, but you can go look it up anywhere. Countries / societies that ban something, has the highest proliferation of that item, and those who are liberal about it, do not have the problem. Places like Italy and France where kids drink wine from three years old have a much, much lower level of alcoholism than countries where drinking is restricted. America has a higher rate of teenage alcoholism than any other country in the world due to their "21 means 21" policy. Amsterdam has the lowest consumption of marijuana in Europe, also the only country its legal. The market exists because its illegal. Flood the market and it will dribble down to something inconsequential.

      fanie.gerber.98 - 2012-07-13 19:40

      but if you channel the demand....

  • bernd.hammon - 2012-07-13 11:22

    Do not like the idea. Is not is similar to legalising trafficking in human body parts.It will lead to other problems . It always does.It is opening the door.Next thing we have a Minister of Rhino Horns and The Rhino Horn Act No 151 of 2012.The Rhino Horn Industry will become BEE protected . That will compound the problems. Just because it regulated does not mean poaching will stop . And so on. We need alternatively solutions.Harsher deterrents. Employ our unemployeds into the Rhino Protection Unit, etc.Utilised sophisticated technology.?

  • kobus.vandermey - 2012-07-13 11:24

    No, they got it wrong. It is not consumed in every Asian countries. Some Asian countries don't even allow rhino horns or other animal trade parts into the their country as it is illegal. If you've been to several parts of Asia long enough you would know which allow & don't allow and be able to tell the difference.

  • andy610 - 2012-07-13 11:29

    How can this idea even be considered as if the TRADE in Rhino Horn has been made illegal by most contries how can this send the correct message out to Poachers. The Chiniase must make more effort in contoling the illegal trade in China so I think that this is a very bad Idea.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:33

      It is difficult to try and decipher what your view here is, Andy610. Try some grammar, commas, fullstops and so forth

  • gerry.pelser - 2012-07-13 11:30

    These comments prove the age-old adage: people think with their emotions and not with their brains. No, we do NOT want to sell rhino horn, to anyone, ever – it’s a piece of quackery and superstition. BUT quackery and superstition exists, and it pays well, so people are willing to risk their lives and their freedom to get it. The market for this product exists, rightly or wrongly. So you can either deny the market and live with your conscience that rhinos will be poached. Or you can submit to the market, and get them ethically sourced and stockpiled hors. Those are your only two options right now. If that saves eve one beast from a poacher’s rifle: job done. Basic market economics will come into play: the price will drop and the bottom will fall out of the market and it won’t be worth risking your life anymore for a horn, and now it will become financially viable to keep rhino – ask any game farm owner if he wants a rhino, most will say “hell no” as it costs a lot more to keep them than to not have them. This will create an incentive to keep and breed rhino, it won’t COST us anything to keep rhino anymore but actually GAIN us something. 1+1=2, we can actually save the animal from extinction this way. Or we can think emotionally, say “no” and allow the poaching to continue until we have nothing left. It won’t stop poaching totally – but it will reduce it drastically! I’d rather have a horn-less rhino than not having one at all.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-13 11:37

      I so agree with what you are saying. We need to use stumbling blocks as stepping stones. If done right this could rejuvinate a South African economy that's still too focused on mining a dwindling supply of gold.

      sonja.gay777 - 2012-07-13 19:19

      Gerry, there are billions of Chinese. We will never have enough rhino horn to flood the market. Legalising trade in tigers and bears have done nothing to bring them from the edge of extinction or improve their situation - to the contrary. There is also a moral issue (for the few last men standing who even have an inkling what "moral" might mean...) Breeding wild animals to use any part of their bodies or using any wild animal for "entertainment" is immoral. Do you have ANY idea of the horrific situation of lions in SA? Bred, often under the worst conditions, to be shot and their bones exported to Asia? Dehorning a rhino is traumatic for the animal and puts it life at risk. Farming rhinos - how sad. Exactly what real, tangible measures have our government taken so far? They are DYING to sell their stockpile and forgive me for being just a touch cynical as to my thoughts on where that money is actually going to end up... Have you followed the rhino trials? Do you know that most people walk away with hardly a slap on the wrist? Our government is not at the top of the class for good governance, in case you may not have noticed> In order to have legalised trade all the checks and balances need to be in place and I, quite frankly, would not even count on them to organise a piss-up in a brewery. Do you have any idea what a joke the hunting permit system is? I admit, I have more questions than answers, but grabbing at "deperate measures" and legalising trade may not be the answer.

      andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-07-15 10:37

      Sonya; There's just over a billion Chinese not billions. There is a huge difference between legalising the trade in Rhino horn and legalising the trade in tigers and bears. The Rhino does not have to die for trade in his horn to occur! If you have a problem with breeding wild animals you you should have an even bigger problem with sitting idle while a species goes extinct. If not then you are a very selfish individual. Poachers poach Rhino predominantly because the price is high. The price is high because demand has been growing because of increasing Chinese productivity and ancient Chinese beliefs and no one is matching supply. No one is matching supply because of a stupid rule concerning trade in Rhino horn. We who live in the land of the Rhino have much more control over supply then we do over demand. If we want the price to go down (and poaching) then the easiest way (by a long way) is to increase supply. Those selfish individuals who refuse to apply there minds to the problems are a massive part of the problems. If it was not for them there would be many, many more rhino on the planet including the Asian Rhino. There is a massive resource shortage for rhino on this planet and the horn should be a massive asset to the rhino instead bunny huggers have made it into a liability.

  • natasha.wentink - 2012-07-13 11:31

    With 272 Rhino dead this year as of this morning I honestly don't know how I feel about this - what stock are they going to be selling?

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-13 11:40

      there is a great deal stockpiled I believe. Or they could just burn it? But I'd rather they at least try this approach. If it doesn't work then go back to trying to police it unsuccessfully. I feel the same way about the drug trade. If you legalise it and harnass it you can control it. Rather have people smoking a J in a cafe than cooking meth in their own kitchen.

  • Harald - 2012-07-13 11:33

    Great idea, if the horn could be cut off and then alowed to regrow... brilliant... atleast no rhino's will be killed or maned to do this!!

  • mart.botha - 2012-07-13 11:35

    Ja right, trust already wealthy white businessmen with a vested interest, many have their own stockpiles of harvested rhino horn, to come up with a plan to 'protect' the rhino. This is just a smokescreen so that they can benefit financially for themselves. The current supply to demand countries is controlled by and is the domain of multi-billion dollar crimes syndicates .....you don't negotiate with those guys, you have to destroy them, so the only real solution is to up our security levels and requirements for being in the country, and introduce heavy penalties for poaching. I may be an idealist, but 'giving sweets to a fat kid is not going to help him get slimmer ! It is illogical to think that anything short of this whole country and it's leaders declaring the African Rhino' as 'royal game' and looking after it the way holy cow is in India, that it will survive longer than a few years.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:40

      Jaja Mart, swaer, have another brandy. We, the wealthy whites who own Rhino, want to protect them, their lives and our lives. I have Rhino, and have had rhino poached, and we spend a lot of "wealth" to protect these, not for their horn, but for the love of the animal. Do you? How many people commenting here actually live with rhino and rhino protection daily. How many here put their money where their mouth is, I do. Many blacks do as well, by the way. Wealthy ones and poor ones. This is not a race issue you stupid ignoramus. This is about saving rhino, and this is the best plan yet. We live in dangerous times trying to protect rhino, armed people attempt to gain entry to our properties at all times, just to shoot the rhino and hack off his horn. My kids live here, my staff and their families live here, it is only a matter of time until they shoot one of us in desperation. So, maybe I should sell all my rhino, like lots of others have done, and ROB them of space and habitat, no, thats not a solution. This new proposal is the best one yet. It will put the poachers out of business, create a higher value for rhino, and yes, more people will buy them and care for them and create more space for them, because it is then a viable commercial proposition.

  • Marco - 2012-07-13 11:36

    "the money will go to stop poaching" BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULL$HIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!! who believes this cr@p?????

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:44

      Marco, you know so little about the subject, and yet you feel compelled to expound an ill informed, un-researched poorly stated opinion. Why?

  • braamc - 2012-07-13 11:40

    This is pathetic, telling us they having given up on conservation and feeding those 1 inch wonder penises the myth. Not going to curb the problem, and probably lining pockets somewhere again.

  • anthony.okelly.98 - 2012-07-13 11:42

    The poachers must be having the party of the century. It provides smugglers with a curtain of "legality" to hide behind. Absolute garbage!!

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:45

      The poachers will be having a nightmare, they will not be able to sustain their networks any longer, it costs big money to manage a poaching network, suddenly their funds will dry up as the buyers move to purchasing better priced less risky legal horn. So yes, this will work

  • hayley.short.73 - 2012-07-13 11:42

    Whilst I can understand both sides to this arguement, my main concern is WHO will be controlling this operation and HOW can we be guarenteed that the money will get to where it is most needed to help curb poaching? Our government is corrupt... we can't trust them to do this 100% above board!

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:48

      the poaching will die out by itself, if there is legal product available, their will not be the huge funds now available to the poaching networks. There is a huge supply of of rhino horn stockpiled, circa 5 to 7 years supply, and that is not taking into account what can still be harvested now, plus annual deaths by natural causes plus further legal harvesting, so the legal price can be pitched at a lower level to not make it sustainable for poaching networks. Best, mots pragmatic plan yet.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-13 11:43

    Regulation cuts out the black market, so hopefully it should work :)

  • Allan - 2012-07-13 11:45

    The current "market price" has a large premium for risk as its illegal. Selling it in a controlled environment should reduce the price and make it less attractive for poachers and the related syndicates to risk getting caught. This will also establish a market related price which will allow wild life farmers to decide if they want to farm horns for resale in a legal way - (no culling required) It comes back to supply and demand setting the price and from this players will adapt. Just a great pity the poor Rhino has no say in the matter.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:49

      Well explained Allan, the Rhino need more sensible people like you.

  • tamelyne.vantonder - 2012-07-13 11:46

    We have done the whole selling thing in the past and look where it has gotten us. The fact that our Rhino poaching is on the increase means that we have not resolved the issue and by putting it out there again we are just going to create a bigger problem and a greater urge for this product. As South Africans I think that we also need to see where the money is going to as What exactly happened to the money of all the other rhino horns that were sold.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:53

      When was this done tamelyne? Please provide me with further detail, as I am most interested to know your source of information. To the best of my knowledge, the Rhino poaching graph has escalated dramatically in the last 5 to 7 years, and Rhino horn and trade therein has been illegal for that entire period. So I find your comment lean on fact and heavy on misconception. Uninformed people will hug the rhino into extinction, please Van Tonder, "voor jy die rhenoster uit die aarde uit donder, bly liewers stil!" But, yes, I await a logical presentation of facts to support your view before more Rhino get poached!

  • gerry.pelser - 2012-07-13 11:49

    For once, can we stop being cynical about “the money” and who will be lining who’s pockets. Yeah, I’m cynical about this too, but it does not help we get all uppity about it. Doing it will have a 50-50 chance of succeeding. NOT doing it will have a 100% chance of ensuring the poaching continues until there is nothing left. What have we got to lose? Nothing – we’re losing beasts hand-over-fist already. This is at least some measure to stop it, it may work – and I don’t care WHO gets rich doing this as long as these beasts are saved. I don’t care if fat cat politicians light each other’s cigars with R200 notes and washing it down with Johnny Walker all night long thanks to this – I really don’t care. I’ll care about that when we’ve stopped the poaching and the future of the rhino is secure again – then I’ll go fry political fish.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:54

      Correct Gerry, the current way is not helping the Rhino, so let us try something new, agreed

  • gwides - 2012-07-13 11:50

    This is wonderful news same as croc or ostrich industry at least we dont have to kill them and will legitmise the price

  • rahil.khanna.520 - 2012-07-13 11:58

    Finally some common sense , at least this will curb the loss of these wonderfull animals !

  • brendon.langford - 2012-07-13 12:00

    I think its a great idea. If anything it will give greater viability of who the players are and if they then decide after a year that this isn't working, we have a better opportunity to fight it.

  • jeanpierre.bornman.9 - 2012-07-13 12:12

    Why are they going to help the trade weather its done legally or not its still adding to the trade, if we go this rout whats next selling albino organs to sangomas once the person is dead?

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:58

      are albino people getting poached into extinction? Sorry, just asking? Cause then yes, we better do something for them as well. But in the meantime, listen to people that know, and this, for Rhino, is the solution. Not selling bags with Rhino logos on, or "Rocking for Rhinos" making people rich out of the industry of rhino poaching, this will create a legal framework, which will save the rhino. I will stake my life on it.

  • sanda.mnyazi - 2012-07-13 12:16

    But......you were the very first ones to say it was a myth that these horns work if used as medicine.......ai Whites SMH they think they know everything

  • andynct - 2012-07-13 12:22

    Excellent, now we are talking! This will bring down the price of Rhino horn and make it unprofitable for poachers. But will the rest of the world, who have exterminated their rhino, veto it?

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 13:59

      Good question Andy? We shall wait and see

  • jaypee44 - 2012-07-13 12:23

    It is a very sad day when they legalise any trade in Rhino horn or parts of rhino, dont let the greedy mongers B***S*** everyone with the old sawn off story of stockpiles and privately owned stockpile, the estimated demand on the black market is 70 ton rhino horn per year and the demand is climbing, if the government and private stockpiles hopefully is 140 ton, that is supply for two years, what then? with an estimated 20,000 rhino left, of which not all are matured there will be a shortfall of 10 ton and it will escalate every year the poaching will intensify to far worse than what it is now, lagalising any trade in rhino will put a fortune into the greedy pockets of those that don't care a S*** for wildlife and only worry about money I wonder if everyone that read this are aware of the fact that rhino is kept like feedlot cattle and are fed a meal mixture every day, their horn are harvested and the vicious cycle begins again, there are no ethics in these evil people domesticating and commerciallising wild animals and on top of it one of the big 5, a big step forward and several steps back.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 14:06

      Jaypee, I respect the fact that you at least have some substance in your views. Let me respectfully tru and reply to some of the points you have raised. The annual poached quantity of rhino is between 600 and 800 and going up, this on average equates to between 4 and 5 tons of rhino horn poached per year. Not 70 tons. The stockpile of Rhino horn is between 100 and a 120 tons, so it is significant. Furthermore, people can add to this stockpile legally and legitimately via harvesting rhino horn. So the stockpile is sufficient to supply the market for a significant period of time, and this will enable the growth of the entire industry, people who have sold off their rhino because of the dangers and risks associated would now re-purchase rhino again, and thereby creating additional rhino habitat. Si in essence, this is in fact, probably the only way to save the rhino

  • erna.moller.7 - 2012-07-13 12:59

    At last, an effort - and a positive one as well is being made to curb the slaughtering of our rhino. Thank you Roger Porter for this formal proposal and the best of luck to all the conservationists out there. Saving the rhino benefits us all especially villages bordering on reserves.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 14:10

      aha, someone who knows something about this subject. Please elaborate erna, people need to know and realise that these proposals do not just get thumbsucked out of thin air. There are dedicated, qualified and highly committed conservations who put these proposals together.

  • antoinette.jordaan - 2012-07-13 13:07

    Still liked the poison idea better :D

      thematthewofmonsons - 2012-07-13 14:43

      why, the animal still dies?

  • andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-07-13 13:56

    Who-hoo. I thought this day would never come and the bunny-huggers would hug the Rhino to death. Incentive to poach goes down, (more money for game guards and reduced prices for the horn) Incentive to keep the the rhino goes up (Another income stream and reduced risk of poaching). Consumers can access cheaper rhino horn and find out for themselves if it works or not. Result everyone (expecially the Rhino) wins except the poachers but apparently poachers make the best game-keepers. Bunny-huggers. you should be ashamed . You were a major accomplise in the near extinction of the Rhino. Hope this decision is not too late but should have been in place 10 years ago. I also hope my repeated comments on News24 made a difference. Looking at people arguments I notice a lot of my arguments. This has made my day.

  • dulyate - 2012-07-13 14:01

    This option will not work, no matter how much they sugar coat it. I do not believe for a second that the funds will go towards "rhino conservation efforts" and "reduce poaching". More likely, the funds will line the pockets of the officials involved, and reduce their monthly luxury car payments. If CITES do not approve this, I would insist SA withdraw, as it would be a huge embarrassment to all South Africans. This about as much sense, if not less, than legalizing the hard drug trade.

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 14:32

      you opiniated presumpteous little man, I can only trust and hope that you have very little say in this world, for the Rhino's sake

  • dieter.erxleben.1 - 2012-07-13 14:13

    would this be the same as lets say legalising weed? and im saying this for both reasons yes because its a drug that can make lots of maoney and because of all the other products the can be made from hemp

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 14:33

      when we last checked, weed was not facing extinction, go have some more, after all it is Friday, and leave serious topics like Rhino alone

  • dieter.erxleben.1 - 2012-07-13 14:20

    but would making it legal solve the problem

      roboman1 - 2012-07-13 14:34

      Yes dieter, it will solve the problem

  • alistair.waymark - 2012-07-13 14:26

    POISON STOCK-PILED HORNS This can be done properly, would be inexpensive, and it poses no danger to living rhinos. Then use undercover agents posing as suppliers to introduce the horns - lots of them - into the market supply chain. Then you will see demand drop quickly and dramatically.

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-07-13 14:49

    Nah. Wont help much. A and B will still want to pocket all the money themselves by pouching.

  • steve.lowery.777 - 2012-07-13 15:42

    THE POINT IS - RHINO HORN DOES NOT HOLD ANY PHARMACEUTICAL PROPERTIES!!!! - WHY ENDORSE THE CONCEPT EVEN MORE! NO, NO, NO!

  • steve.lowery.777 - 2012-07-13 15:44

    THE POINT IS, RHINO HORN DOES NOT HAVE ANY PHARMACEUTICAL HEALING PROPERTIES... WHY ADVOCATE IT!!! .... NO, NO,NO!!!!

  • winston.wiggill - 2012-07-13 15:54

    Well done, this is the real solution. Bring in the legal, controlled and managed trade of rhino horn, it will smother the illegal trade, it will starve the blackmarket of the cash that sustains them now, by bringing the prices and supply lines under control. This in turn will get rid of the poaching of Rhinos on any major scale. This is the most constructive step to get rid of Rhino poaching. Yes, there will be many that castigate the implementers of this practical solution, but hugging the Rhino into extinction is not a solution. Good move SA. Yes, also many of the people that have created a whole new industry out of "Save the Rhino" products and rackets that make them wealthy may also object, but really, now the black marketeer will run out of cash fast, and he will not have the funds available to sustain the network. Watch the curve in poaching go backwards fast.

  • ruan.berg.7 - 2012-07-13 15:55

    I personally thing that this Idea will work, we farm Rhinos like we farm goats and cows, this may be the only way to increase their numbers again...

  • alistair.waymark - 2012-07-13 17:36

    Something urgent must be done to make it potentially extremely risky to trade in or consume rhino horn products in the countries consuming the stuff. A sufficient number of poisoned horns (from existing and accumulating stock piles) introduced into the market will most certainly have a huge impact on the demand. the word will spread like wildfire in China and Vietnam - that you may get very ill or even die if you consume contaminated horn products. Suppliers will be too nervous to touch it. The trick would be to make a poisoned horn indistinguishable from a non poisoned one. The concept of controlled trade to curb the demand is untested and speculative at best. At worst it could exacerbate the demand. The potential users represent staggeringly large numbers of people. We just don't have enough rhino horn stock or live animals left to embark on such a reckless long-term experiment vulnerable to corruption and plenty of loopholes. Speak to the conservationists in East Africa - who have been fighting poachers for far longer than here in SA and they will tell you why they took the decision to burn their stocks. This is a crisis with no time left to play around and it calls for nothing less than diabolical action.

  • wayne.powell.12177 - 2012-07-14 08:33

    At last, somebody being proactive in this war! Well done Roger Porter, let's hope it works