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UFO conference for SA

2011-09-23 07:23

Johannesburg - South Africa will experience its first ever conference on Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) in November.

"Millions of people in SA have had their own personal experience with ETs and UFOs - but most have in the past been too nervous to raise the subject, afraid of ridicule," conference host Michael Tellinger said on Thursday.

The gathering would allow "those in the know" an opportunity to express themselves on issues like extra-terrestrial (ET) contact.

He said 13 internationally recognised and published leaders in the fields of UFOlogy, genetics, microbiology and biomimicry would speak at the event in Johannesburg.

Speakers would also address topics including alchemy, ancient wisdom, numeric science and the formation of a money-less society.

"The average person on the street is completely oblivious of the unimaginable progress in scientific research, so much so, that it would seem like magic to the unenlightened crowd", said Tellinger.

"While there are still many who smirk in disbelief at the concept of alien presence in the universe and even here on Earth, those in the know are rapidly moving well beyond trying to justify their knowledge to the uninitiated."

Comments
  • Robert Cerff - 2011-09-23 07:38

    Hmmm... lets see, still can't turn lead into gold... if the ancient were so wise why hasn't this passed on, numeric science? Sure all angles within a triangle add up to 180 and... money-less society (okay we're pretty much there now with plastic credits rather than gold). Concept is one thing... proof... you know like that which doesn't exist for faeries either? But hey, I'm just sayin. :)

      theodore burns - 2011-09-23 08:20

      um. mining is turning lead into gold, actually, its not magic its science

      str4f3 - 2011-09-23 08:37

      actually one can turn lead into gold, its called fission, and requires splitting the atom. obviously there are a number of side effects, and its hardly cost effective. Do aliens exist? statistically its probable, can they get to us? Current science seems to indicate that they cant, much like we cant get to thier planets, within any reasonable timescale.

      Vitruvian Man - 2011-09-23 08:40

      Actually, you are wrong. They can turn gold into lead already. Under true nuclear transmutation, it is far easier to turn gold into lead than the reverse reaction, which was the one the alchemists had ardently pursued. Nuclear experiments have successfully transmuted lead into gold, but the expense far exceeds any gain. It would be easier to convert gold into lead via neutron capture and beta decay by leaving gold in a nuclear reactor for a long period of time.

      MJ77 - 2011-09-23 08:44

      @ AMS-Dammer - Stupid analogy. Can't you think of something more original......turkey....

      QuintS - 2011-09-23 08:47

      Best and only book to read on this subject is Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates. Get on Amazon.com or http://www.alienintrusion.com/main.html

      stephen scott - 2011-09-23 09:17

      @AMS, I agree, UFO believers and Christians, same head, wishful thinking run amok, If they ever arrive, everyone one will know in an instance, why stay hidden? and only abduct people walking home from the pub late at night, right now , were on our own. and that is scary.

      TextOfReason - 2011-09-23 11:06

      There is a lot of proof out there, some more convincing than others. Lead can be changed into gold, it's just too expensive to be currently viable. And one other thing: the scientific wing of the US air-force made a substance that cloaks perfectly. I remember them saying it can be tuned down to ONLY include the visible spectrum. This creates two more questions, if we can do it then "they" most definitely can and secondly, how are they in possession of technology that the rest of the world is still trying to bend their brains around?

      Werner - 2011-09-23 11:09

      I have come into contact with an ET, and have seen numerous UFOs. The ET was recently spotted pumping its fist in the air outside - reports suggest- Luthuli house. Apparently in full view of the public. Apparently the ET lives in Sandton, but sources say its erratic behaviour and inexplicable decision making is simply not of this world. The UFOs were spotted flying through the air at Luthuli House - apparently linked to the sighting of the ET at the same location. Sources say the UFOs looked like 'small rocks, perhaps even broken bottles'. Researchers have indicated that there are probably thousands of ETs in South Africa, walking among ordrinary human beings every single day. Further investigations pending.

      Fredster69 - 2011-09-23 11:45

      No, it is Santaco Express taxi airline

      Krush - 2011-09-23 11:51

      Nephilim. Watchers. U.F.O.S.

      kidblack - 2011-09-23 11:52

      I invite you all to search youtube for 2011 UFO...

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:06

      Yes AMS, because the belief that we came from nothing, which formed rocks, rain on the rocks formed soup which came alive and turned into you, with no purpose on earth before turning to worm-food, yes that is just so logical isn't it... you think that's a dumb story? Just read a textbook and start to summarise it... let's not even go into the realms of the 2000 years of European history that gets denied because it shows the Genesis account to be factual...

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:06

      ANC is a UFO... Unscrupulous Fraudulent Organisation

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:22

      UFO conference... are they having a sale then? I need a new lounge suite... http://unitedfurnitureoutlets.co.za

      OMO - 2011-09-23 13:01

      Matt: Here's is an acronym for you..... CVC Stands for the Chapter and Verse Clones. You might find all this UFO stuff far fetched, but the biblical crap you promote is not only mythology, but bloody boring mythology. At least the Greek and Roman stuff was entertaining. So if you want to mock and laugh, go and stand infront of a mirror.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 13:20

      @ OMO - funny... Homer's Iliad - 650 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 500 years after the original Plato (tetralogies) - 7 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 1200 years after the original Herodotus (historial accounts) - 8 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 1300 years after the original Tacitus (Annals of Rome) - 20 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 1000 years after the original Pliny the Younger (history) - 7 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 750 years after the original Aristotle - 49 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 1400 years after the original Caesar - 10 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 1000 years after the original New Testament - over 60,000 manuscripts. Earliest existing copy is from 25 years after the original. Now please explain why the above Greek/Roman writings are deemed correct, reliable and in certain cases historically accurate (with hardly any existing manuscripts and they are from centuries after the original), yet the Bible is just considered an unreliable, ancient book of myths (despite 60k known manuscripts and the earliest dated is but 1 generation later)? And how you can write off the Bible without writing off the Greek/Roman writings by the same measure?

      Spyker May - 2011-09-23 13:34

      Indeed - I wish to point out a number of mistakes in the article. It should rather read.., U.F.O. = Unintelligent F_cking Oaf. More commonly known in SA as a “member of the ANC”, prime examples though are from the sub-specie, the “member of the ANCYL”, as fed by the NYDA. This form of “life” is referred to as an E.T. = Extra Thick. Certainly, intelligent life on earth and most pertinently intelligent life in SA, have had to endure the traumatic torture of contact with E.T.’s. The most traumatic encounters are the display of the E.T.’s overt self-ridicule, while totally oblivious of their lack of any means of cognitive functioning, while they happily parasite on intelligent life and simultaneously investing such life with the sewage lewdness of vermin leeches that contribute absolutely nothing to the planet. In fact its only notable achievement, is the moniker of its general kind, viz “rape-slaughter-steal”. While there are still some who smirk in disbelief at the concept of such alien presence amongst intelligent life on Earth, those in the know are rapidly moving away, well beyond the scourge of the parasite life-form; trying to impart their knowledge to the uninitiated.

      Shaman Pete - 2011-09-24 21:03

      Matt ... No classical historian reads any of the texts you mention as wholly factually correct either (for exactly the reason you give). They're seen more as opinion pieces - or laden with propaganda. Their value is more in providing glimpses of everyday life on the backdrop of certain historical events that are otherwise verifiable through other sources and archaeology. Not too dissimilar to the Bible then, I suppose ...

      werasmus - 2011-11-26 11:24

      I am a sceptic as well. I think the evidence an civilization technologically unknown times more advanced than humans is very compelling. I advise you to watch the movies by James C Fox: "Out of the blue" and "I know what I saw" or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Etw33HrvPU Probably the most well documented UFo incident, with all the witnesses alive, is the Rendlesham Forest incident on 25-27/12/1980. COmpleyte with recorded audio while the ongoing events, written documentation by credible witnesses. Please listen to apodcast called www.theparacast.com and a good website is www.ufoevidence.org

  • kleinkoppi - 2011-09-23 07:40

    Did you see ET last night, we had a klippies and coke together... But that might also have been because I smoked some weed...LOL

      hindu_k - 2011-09-23 08:24

      SH*T thats some powerfull weed!!! :p

      OMO - 2011-09-23 09:21

      Kak! ET drinks "moonshine" exclusively!

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-23 09:36

      What? You had klippies and coke with our government officials? (after all - who else is more alien than some of them?)

      thabo.tebele - 2011-09-23 11:49

      lol,can I have some,I really want to see ET or UFO for a change.

      kidblack - 2011-09-23 11:52

      I invite you all tosearch YouTube for 2011 UFO

      Harvey - 2011-09-23 11:57

      OMO. ET drinks coke and beer. He eats reeses pieces. Everbody knows that.

      corliah - 2011-09-23 13:25

      The UFO's are on Youtube, the most authorative medium out there. hahahahahah

      AntonioP - 2011-09-23 15:03

      JZ is most certainly an extraterrestrial. Did you ever look at his eyes! Smirk al you want; soon he (and his species) will shape-sift into their TRUE form. But it will be good for Zille. Many Africans hate ET's -they look too much like tokoloshi with underpants -no way they vote for that!

  • Monti - 2011-09-23 07:42

    The Greek Club has Flying Saucers

      OZNOB - 2011-09-23 07:45

      you mean geek club

      burtfred - 2011-09-23 07:51

      LOL

      Ace - 2011-09-23 09:11

      @OZNOB - Greeks break plates at their parties, so Monti was saying the seconds it takes the plates to leave their hands till it hits the ground it's called "Flying saucers". Wake up Please!!!!

  • RobbedZombie - 2011-09-23 07:44

    Michael Tellinger is not part of "those in the know", he is an attention whoring charlatan and a quack. If this conference had any credibility it all flew out the window the moment this guy got involved. Believe what you want but for god's sake don't fall for Tellinger's ridiculous crap. This guys has absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever for his claims (which he mostly plagiarises from Zecharia Sitchin - which also has no evidence for his claims).

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 08:55

      Why are you scared of Michael Tellinger Zombie? I have seen his current research for which he uses lots of photographic evidence and it has little if anything to do with Zecharia Sitchen. For instance his work on Adam's Calender that is situated in South Africa is a more recent discovered stone circle formation of significance..Also his studies of ancient settlements and their knowledge that is prevalent in the structures that they built is superb, all situated in Mpumalanga and vicinity..Then the big manlike foot print as big as a human being in a rock very clearly visible and generated in the same way that many discovered dinosaur footprints were done. It is one thing to be a skeptic and another to hide your own inability to do scientific thinking, something that probably stems from school days. Heealthy scepticism is good but scepticism is invetigative and look at evidence. To discard because you don't believe is just another type of religion and a sick one for it as well.

      Pauline Harris - 2011-09-23 09:13

      Saying that Zecharia Sitchin has no evidence is sweeping his entire body of research under the carpet. Coming from a non-scientist pleb (RobbedZombie), we can safely ignore Zombie's comment.

      Thabiso marumo - 2011-09-23 11:08

      One thing I find interesting about Michael Tellinger research is the Adams calender, the Limpopo and Mpumalanga which indicates that some mining tribe might have settled there thousands of years ago, which pre-dates the given time when the San people settled in Southern Africa.

      philjoubert - 2011-09-23 12:12

      So of course a mining tribe settling here must mean that they were slaves to extra-terrestrials and this proves beyond a doubt that transmutation and fairies are real. It all make perfect sense to me. If I pick up a rock and call it a rock and you all agree with me - this doesn't mean that every idea I have is true. It just speculated that it was a rock.

      Thabiso marumo - 2011-09-23 12:48

      philjoubert, the slave thing is a speculation based on the Sumarian research, but how do we know they were slave.

      RobbedZombie - 2011-09-23 19:46

      @chris.kleynhans Photographic evidence of what? Tellinger's claims is of an ancient alien civilization. Great claims require great evidence. A few odd shaped stones and something that "could" be a giant manlike footprint? This is hardly evidence of his claims.

      RobbedZombie - 2011-09-23 19:57

      @Pauline Harris You don't know a damn thing about me. I have a M.Eng in electronic engineering and BSc in Computer Science. I might not be a scientist but you'd be making big mistake if you think I have no understanding of scientific concepts or theories. Sitchin's so called evidence is nothing more then a massive stretch of the imagination. NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING. I'd bore you with the details but I'd rather point you to sites like http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/index.html so that experts in these fields, who has actual scientific arguments, peer reviewed publications and empirical evidence, can educate you. Although idiots like yourself tend to remain ignorant of the truth no matter how many times it smacks you in the head.

      cuckoo2011 - 2011-09-24 19:59

      I agree with RobbedZombie, his description of Tellinger is quite fitting! "attention whoring charlatan and a quack. If this conference had any credibility it all flew out the window the moment this guy got involved." I have read his "Slave Species of the gods" and found it to be tedious nonsense. I am very aware of the Mpumalanga sites and have been to Adam's Calendar, and many of these stone circles. I dislike Tellinger because he "cleaned up" a site close to Waterval Boven that I have been visiting for years... his cleanup involved moving stones to suit his beliefs! I have photographic evidence of this! Charlatan indeed!

      Shaman Pete - 2011-09-24 23:11

      Everybody needs to youtube Bill Hicks + UFOs. Not only the best stand-up comedian in history; but right on the money.

  • alainheidtmann - 2011-09-23 07:47

    I am a massive fan of ufology and ETs, people are unaware of the activity has had regarding it, but I honest to God hope that Christo Louw will NOT be organising this conference! He is the biggest fraud out there! Publishes fake UFO photos on his website and on his Facebook page to gain more popularity for himself!

      hindu_k - 2011-09-23 08:25

      Publishes "fake" ufo photos? There are real ones??? LOL.

      MJ77 - 2011-09-23 08:45

      @ AMS-Dammer - TURKEY!!!!!

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 08:58

      It seems Michael Tellinger is more involved and I don't believe he is a fraud at all. A very sincere person for all I know.

      OMO - 2011-09-23 09:50

      AMS-Dammer: Your answer.........UFO believers may actually have a point.

      Lance - 2011-09-23 10:06

      I know Cristo as an honest person, sorry he probably has more Facebook friends than you. What is a fake UFO pic ? I was not aware that fake and real ones had captions...

      alainheidtmann - 2011-09-23 10:48

      So what he has more 'facebook friends' than what I do? MUFON had a webinar course into identify fake photos and identify fake reports, which I attended, and all the photos he posted about HIS ufo sightings are all fake! Just trying to get more publicity!

      alainheidtmann - 2011-09-23 10:49

      @Chris, I did not say anything about Tellinger, of whom I also know personally. I was refering to Christo Louw.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:08

      @ AMS - well, Christians will still love you even though you're insulting them... @ Alain - fake UFO pictures? As if there are real ones... we don't even have much intelligent life on THIS planet, what makes you think there's intelligent life elsewhere?

      The Wonderer - 2011-09-23 18:50

      If they can organise a conference at the CTICC I'll be there...never before attended such a conference before.

  • Greg - 2011-09-23 07:58

    Dont jump to conclusions guys, Your whole lives you have been tought that UFO's are a joke and just science fiction. Do your own research. There is TONS of evidence out there that's proves we are not alone. UFO's are also not always little green men. That's another "dis-information" strategy that worked. If your interested in this, give it a go, and make up your own mind instead of being told what to believe! :)

      Greg - 2011-09-23 08:02

      Oh, just encase you want an example of the "proof" that i mention. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pQicHl3dk&feature=player_embedded After that, just do your own searches and look for "spherical orbs" and you will find LOTS. (please don't tell me every camera in different parts of the world in different years have ALL been faked.

      zena - 2011-09-23 08:35

      @Greg, I agree with what you are saying, there has been sightings across the world and its always covered up with some explanation. I find it hard that so many people can be wrong. We are surely not the only creation in this big unexplored universe.

      Bill - 2011-09-23 08:36

      I am with you on that one Greg, +- 30 years ago along with other witnesses, we saw what can only be described a s UFO’s…and no, it was not the morning after the night before of too many klippies and coke!

      Underwhelmed - 2011-09-23 08:41

      The voice of reason.

      AntiThesis - 2011-09-23 08:51

      Not little green men? So what, is it the reptilian race disguised as humans trying to take over the world?

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 09:03

      I agree with Greg. The disinformation campaign has been very deliberate and targeted to ridicule and who wants to be ridiculed when your only ambition in life is to finish your day and soak yourself with beer. There are tons of information as well as fake information as well as planted fake information and it is a mission to find the truth but one thing I know the truth is not what it seems. I have friends of high integrity with no specific interest in UFO's or research in it that has told me about things that they have seen and I am not ashamed to say that I am a believer.

      Haas Das se nuuskas - 2011-09-23 09:54

      Greg my boet, please give me the name of the video, I can't find it, Youtube blocked at work need to go on Youtube app...

      Harvey - 2011-09-23 10:44

      No Chris, dont blame the MIB. You guys do pretty well in discrediting yourselves, you dont need any help. Case in point, if this conference was to have any sort of credence, they shouldn't have included: "alchemy, ancient wisdom, numeric science" That just confirms what everyone expected about UFO-believers.

      Lance - 2011-09-23 13:25

      I have done enough of my own personal research and MANY police and army officers have seen Ufo's up close and they have spoken out about it. The designer of the B-52 bomber and all americas stealth craft admitted on his deathbedd that aliens assisted them and that the stealth craft use ET technology. Why would a respected scientist throw his name away on his deathbed by lying ?

  • Verdade - 2011-09-23 08:03

    I seen Malema on a magic carpet...or it must have been a bad trip?

  • Nkalakatha - 2011-09-23 08:03

    Ja and in our own country we have a lot of aliens.......be scared be very scared....

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:09

      Yup - I live in Primrose where the indigenous black tribe seems to be Zimbabwean ;-)

      OMO - 2011-09-23 13:08

      PRIMROSE............ Okay, now it all becomes much clearer.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 14:06

      @ OMO - well, in the "larny" part, Dawnview... LOL (I'm not from there, I just stay there!!!)

  • cromagnon - 2011-09-23 08:06

    I am theorising that identifying unexplainable phenomena as 'Aliens' and 'UFO' has just replaced explaining it in some religious context.

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 09:09

      Hell, that is one hell of a breakthrough I must say cromagnon. Whatever people see in their religion such as Mother Mary aberrations is one thing but I think most people are evolved enough to know if they have actually see a UFO in front of them that it was a UFO, i.e. saucerlike structure and definitely not something that looks or behaves like any known and peer reviewed published human flying machine.

      toleranne - 2011-09-23 11:58

      @chris, since when is it gospel that UFOs are inevitably "saucer-like structures"? People see what they want to see - human brain is wired to see patterns, for survival, trying to make sense of complicated surroundings, so often things are 'seen' even where there are none ... eg "face on Mars".

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 15:00

      and toleranne, people also dont see what they dont want to see...close your eyes when you watch the horror movie, it is fine, mommy is here...

  • morena - 2011-09-23 08:07

    when is it? i want to get there and listen, i love science fiction staff

      Max - 2011-09-23 08:31

      And I like science fiction stuff.

      morena - 2011-09-23 10:01

      ok cool max i get it :-) (U)

  • Yolandi-Lynn - 2011-09-23 08:08

    may i please get a invitation to attend

      Bill - 2011-09-23 08:31

      Yes sure, Here is your ticket number XYHET534RWESS quote this number to the doorman and he will let you in...! Does this look like Computicket????

  • Yolandi-Lynn - 2011-09-23 08:08

    may i please get an invitation

      Bill - 2011-09-23 08:49

      Sorry only 1 ticket per person...! Nice try but...!

  • Kev - 2011-09-23 08:16

    Keep and open mind. If spirits, ghosts, angels etc are believable to so many, why not aliens? The universe is certainly big enough for the possibility to exist.

  • 2002 - 2011-09-23 08:16

    Ooh please, UFO my foot. Science crap. There is nothing like UFO.

      Pauline Harris - 2011-09-23 09:16

      And you have evidence proving there is "nothing like UFO"?

      Lance - 2011-09-23 13:28

      ..that answer was sooo 2002.

  • ProsAndCons - 2011-09-23 08:18

    When the first steam trains were starting to take passengers, the English parliament banned them from traveling faster than a horse could gallop, because everyone KNEW that going faster than that would make your insides turn to jelly. (This is a verifiable fact by the way). Just like everyone KNOWS that there is no such thing as UFO's. Scoffing at the unknown without actual proof of the non-existence is as ridiculous as the arguments others try to put forward to prove the unknown without actual evidence. Science will only ever progress when an open-mind approach is followed.

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 09:10

      Did you ever look at the proof out there or are you oblivious to life?

      ProsAndCons - 2011-09-23 09:34

      That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm trying to make the point to both sides to use factual evidence to make statements. Personally, I neither believe nor disbelieve, although I am more inclined to believe that there is more OUT there than we know about. I just wonder why the so-called abductions keep on doing "scientific" probes and explorations of the abductees. Surely to goodness if they have the technology to travel faster than the speed of light, an external 'scan' would be within the realms of their capabilities. And, until a well-respected known person whose credibilty is not questioned comes up with a meeting, I will remain sceptical that the intelligent life out there has bothered to visit us.

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 11:07

      Apologies ProsAndCons, I read you to fast and misunderstood one sentence.

      ProsAndCons - 2011-09-23 11:57

      With respect Chris, that is symptomatic of a number of evils. Picking one sentence out of a paragraph, one paragraph out of a chapter, etc etc, leads to mass confusion, mass misunderstanding, and general confusion. Learning to read everything in context is probably a sorely missed skill that must be reintroduced at all levels of society. Even in the political arena one might then find less argument. But apologies are not needed, just glad you went back to my original thought pattern, whether you agree or disagree is immaterial, as long as the disagreement is based on trying to understand the opposite point of view.

      philjoubert - 2011-09-23 12:20

      The problem is that for some reason - the people hosting this conference are not believing in one thing that most choose not too *UFO's* and discussing them in isolation - they've adopted every fringe and dodgy bit of science and pseudoscience into one conference. This makes me believe that they aren't capable of having a critical conversation because they base it on pure belief and finding evidence for it. When you look hard enough - you'll find evidence to back up what you believe. There are those with "proof" of a hollow or flat earth that is 6000 years old. Doesn't make them right and it doesn't make their proof any more valid. It's very similar to the new age spiritualists. They'll believe anything that comes along and always use the defense you've given. "Just because the little green mean are talking to you, it doesn't mean they're telling the truth." - Timothy Leary

  • Neill Mackenzie - 2011-09-23 08:23

    Please remember to bring your own tin foil hat!

      Max - 2011-09-23 08:33

      So , sky faeries, but no aliens? Mmmm.To me it seems like the same thing.

  • unnamed - 2011-09-23 08:29

    "those in the know"? "UFOlogy"? "aliens among us"? "the unenlightened"? christ the only thing missing from this report is the use of the word EXCELSIOR!!! (btw no i dont care if i spelt that wrong, it not a word i use on a regular basis.)

      Pauline Harris - 2011-09-23 09:26

      You go and enjoy your rugby and beer. Let the rest of us try to be open minded.

      toleranne - 2011-09-23 12:07

      @Pauline ... or credulous?

  • QuintS - 2011-09-23 08:47

    Best and only book to read on this subject is Alien Intrusion by Gary Bates. Get on Amazon.com or http://www.alienintrusion.com/main.html

      Caramel85 - 2011-09-23 12:11

      I can agree - excellent book

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:55

      @ Caramel85 - not sure if I sent you the link on FB, but check this - it's a stunning, stunning book! http://detoxtv.co.uk/data/wp-content/uploads/2008/free-books/spiritism/After_the_Flood.pdf

      Caramel85 - 2011-09-23 14:41

      Thanks Matt! I haven't seen this book before, will be interesting to read it! :)

  • Slartibartfast - 2011-09-23 08:49

    Hmmmmm ... with new "Taxi Air" airline ... this COULD be interesting??

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:24

      Stuff that - they want to open taxi banks and boats too!!! Imagine the taxi bank - "eish give us your maanee and we promise not to kill you"

  • CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 08:52

    Millions of South Africans have had experience with ETs and UFOs? Gosh, you'd think with that much evidence, that *real* scientists would take you seriously, and the issue of ridicule wouldn't enter into it. Michael Tellinger, the good news is that there isn't a conspiracy to portray you as a woo-addled gullible polydouche. What you're seeing is simply a collection of individual rational responses to your claims - and the ridicule and the smirking in disbelief is simply a normal common-sense response to your utterly deluded claptrap. Seriously, News24 needs a "Far Side of Wacky Craziness" section - in order to prevent bollocks like from this polluting the normally-useful Sci-Tech section.

      Ricksta - 2011-09-23 09:04

      Just like there should be a section for all the religion crap, right CapeTownJunk ?

      Nesomaniac - 2011-09-23 09:21

      Here's me smirking in disbelief! When I see hard scientific facts supported by real evidence then I'll wipe my smirk off and start taking these airheads seriously.

      Pauline Harris - 2011-09-23 09:27

      Ooo - calm down! Down boy! Down! You go on and believe what you see on e-tv and DSTV - THAT is the truth aferall. Ever read a book?

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 09:50

      @Pauline: is your question addressed to me or to Michael Tellinger?

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 10:13

      @Ricksta: I don't see the need for a religion section. When religion makes the news these days, it's mostly stories about their opinions on current events, their charitable acts, or their scandals. Most of that can be included as general news because they are human events. It's not like there's been any real actual religious news. You know, like documented and scientifically-verified miracles, undisputable divine interventions, or messiahs returning to earth. That would count as news about religion. But we don't see stories like that in the modern world. Gosh, it's almost as if [insert preferred deity here] doesn't exist!

      Ricksta - 2011-09-23 12:13

      Fair enough CTJ (if I may). However, not such a long time ago there was news of the end of the world which was widely publicised and reported upon as "breaking news", as it were. If religion making the news on stories of their opinions on current events is acceptable, as you put it, then why cannot UFO conventions make the news also without being criticised and mocked ? No difference as far as I see it. I beg to differ in that we don't see stories in the modern world related to your second paragraph. All one has to do is switch on the TV, usually on a Sunday morning, to see how religious propaganda attempts to brain wash us with miracles being performed in front of masses at certain gatherings. I find that quite disturbing to say the least. By inserting a "preferred deity" in your last statement, from where I see it God as depicted in modern religion does in fact not exist and was a fabrication of the church who, through fear, gained the following that they did. At the end of it all, there is more evidence available on the existence of aliens and UFO’s than there is of God, Allah or any other deity, yet UFO “believers” are the ones who are regarded to be demented. Are there aliens visiting us in their spaceships? I don’t know and I don’t believe it until hard evidence is provided. Could they exist ? Most definitely, as this universe is incomprehensively large. Could God exist? I won’t believe it just because a group of people 2000 years ago said so.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:19

      @ CapeTownJunk - keep believing that. You'd be shocked at the stuff that is kept quiet and rejected yet proves the Bible beyond doubt in many fields. But frankly you'd just reject Jesus even if He were in front of you. Can you believe the atheists even reject 2000 years worth of non-Biblical history, JUST because it traces back to ... Noah! Frankly I'm surprised the atheists allow us to study ANYTHING pre-Darwin! Anyway, because I'm feeling generous, have a free book on me. I assure you that there is virtually no Bible stuff in here, other than referencing Genesis 10+11 which is only genealogy. The point of the book was to look at pagan history and, if possible, check if the Biblical genealogy is worth anything. If you wish to carry on mocking Christians, that's your choice, but at least have a look at this book. At worst you'll learn some history! http://detoxtv.co.uk/data/wp-content/uploads/2008/free-books/spiritism/After_the_Flood.pdf Enjoy the book now!

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 12:52

      Matt: Believe it or not, I'm actually looking at your link. Would you mind pointing me to the chapter which provides evidence that your God is real, and the only true God? Because the whole argument is contingent on that one assumption being true, and without it, it's just an exercise in apologetic mental gymnastics. Anyhoo, why do you feel the need to derail this discussion with your religion? We're discussing UFOs and aliens. What's your take on those topics, as a Christian? (I for one would find that far more interesting.)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 13:00

      @ CapeTownJunk 1) it's an interesting book in general and I suggest reading more than the index. Every 3 sentences I'd put the book down and say "wow!". You'll see where it leads to by the time you've finished the book. 2) I wouldn't have raised the issue of religion at all, but I see quite a few comments are here that target and mock Christians - had those people in question not done that, I'd have left religion alone. 3) Well, I don't believe in life outside Earth. So far, that's what evidence suggests (if you discount Ben10, lol). But suppose there was - what does that actually prove?

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 13:13

      BTW @Ricksta: I pretty much agree with you. All the more reason to take religion seriously, and to treat its stories as real news. Religious stories don't belong in the science/technology section because religions like to think of themselves as being immune to scientific scrutiny. I'm fine with that. However, Tellinger himself claims that his conference is all about scientific research, so you can kind of see why this story would be put here. But like all science, you need to pony up with the evidence, or get the hell outta Dodge City. Which is exactly why we're handing his, ummm, ass to him here. Because this story reeks of horse manure.

      Ricksta - 2011-09-23 13:27

      Point taken CTJ

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 14:16

      @ CTJ - one of many interesting things I found in that book was that Thor is a pagan god (yes, we all knew this) but was derived from Tiras (from which also Taurus derives) - Tiras, grandson of Noah... And just steering away from the God thing for a while. As a Brit I learned an entirely new field of history from the book. EG we're taught that London is not the oldest recorded city, but Colchester, and it's called London only because the Romans called it Londinium. So, historical documents show that London was built around 1100BC by King Brutus (Britain comes from Brutus aka Bryttys, not from Bretagne) and called Trinovantum (New Troy), over the centuries it fell away - many years before Caesar came, King Lud rebuilt New Troy but called it Kaerlud (city of Lud), the name over the years was modified to Kaerlundine, hence the Romans Latinised it as Londinium. Ludgate in London is named after Lud. Yet "this history doesn't exist" because the same documents telling us about this also trace pagan genealogy back to Noah... and we can't have that can we! So just deny 2k of history "just in case"? You see, in England we're taught that everyone pre-Ceasar was just a primitive stone-age man and there's nothing before that - except there was loads before that. Why did Caesar have to invade 2x if they were just ug-ugs? Many place-names in England come from the history you'll see in the book yet at school/uni you're taught "we don't know why". Which is quite disturbing!!!

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 22:19

      Gee, Matt, that's utterly fascinating. My eyes glazed over like a Christmas ham. Seriously though, all you're doing is mentioning trivial side-issues from human history as if they are a convincing case for Biblical truth. You're trying to lead the conversation off on a totally irrelevant tangent into an area in which you clearly (and rightly, for all I know) claim to have some expertise. My response? So bleedin' what? You're deliberately muddying the waters in order to avoid discussing the topics for which your only arsenal is a mixture of logical fallacies, wishful thinking and baseless assertions. It's an obscure variant of the Gish Gallop, using archeological trivia as a weapon of mass distraction. I see through it. You're not playing a trump card, you're laying a smokescreen. And it's disappointing, because I'm sure you could do better than that.

  • Antionette - 2011-09-23 09:11

    Scotty - when you leave - please beam up a few Government Officials

      Ed Bundy - 2011-09-23 09:28

      I doubt it... remember, we're talking "intelligent life" here...

  • Richardvz - 2011-09-23 09:14

    When I see one I might believe it.

      africanwolf - 2011-09-23 09:45

      Go to the parliament you will see more than one :)))

  • Winsome - 2011-09-23 09:28

    Dont knock what you dont understand. When trained, calm airline pilots report UFO's flying alongside their aircraft one has to take notice - and this has happened on more than one occasion. For some reason the public is supplied disinformation regarding UFO's.

      philjoubert - 2011-09-23 12:24

      Is there a shaky youtube video to back up this claim or are you reading this from a blog?... It must be disinformation because otherwise it disproves me view of the world as one more amazing then it actually is.

  • Robschele - 2011-09-23 09:30

    Yes, they do exist. They had strict instructions not to contact any of the higher life forms. That's why only the simpletons could see and met with them.

      morena - 2011-09-23 10:41

      lmaof hai hai haiiii

  • Ghost-SA - 2011-09-23 09:33

    The truth is out there.....

  • Jean - 2011-09-23 09:44

    How does one attend this conference? I am very interested..

      morena - 2011-09-23 10:43

      i'm waiting too, i want to attend but don't when it starts where or how does one get in

  • Lawrence Luen - 2011-09-23 09:57

    I see them all the time.... speeding past me - overloaded and unroadworthy....

      Wilma - 2011-09-24 11:49

      Lawrence what a great sense of humor I laughed so lekker for your comment its great having people like you in this world who brakes the tension of seriousness and yet at the same time can be serious, you go Luen! :)

  • Jean - 2011-09-23 09:59

    How does one attend this conference? am very interested...

  • The Patriot - 2011-09-23 10:20

    Aliens living on earth? Mostly illegal I'd bet.

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:20

      Except for Sting, who's an alien, a legal alien, an Englishman in New York...

  • AerynDawnSee - 2011-09-23 10:26

    UFO - united federal operations - dark force governments across the globe are united in ruling the world for power and money.. these are their not so TOP SECRET aircraft that they use to navigate the globe with ease. We are kept uniformed and the media keeps us brainwashed to believe otherwise. We need to wake up and question all truths. 120 families rule the entire world. Unthinkable??? Do the research...

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 10:30

      You clearly are being kept uniformed. Does yours come with a tinfoil hat?

  • The Patriot - 2011-09-23 10:26

    The thought that we are alone in the universe is mind boggling. The though that we are not alone in the universe is mind boggling.

      UFO_CPT_GS - 2011-09-23 11:33

      It's awesome, i can't wait for them to rock up, hopefully friendly :) Think about the fact that maybe there are hostile aliens as well and we sending them radio signals giving them our co-ordinated to come an f*^k us up. interesting !

  • siviweviddosngcobondwana - 2011-09-23 11:11

    This will be good since it will give platform people such as the great SA predictor of the future Isanuse Mr Credo Mutwa.Mutwa claimed that he received his powers from these extra terrestial creatures(Alien Nations)

  • chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 11:17

    The funniest part is always to look at the skeptics and see how they are using the power to ridicule to break down passionate investigative people. The question is, what alternative do you offer and what investigation did you do to come to your own conclusions. The first sign of a coward of life and coward of science is when the man is attacked instead of the ball. So and yes, I am also doing it now but I am defending the world from a type of person that walks around everyday with a negative approach without ever investigating its merit, whether it is society, politics, science or whatever else that is there for us to absorb and take one step further. I find most skeptics to be little bit more than the religious biggots that have taken over our society. It becomes a belief and once it is a belief you can swing the proof in somebody's face and they will still tell you it is impossible..As far as this conference is concerned, I am convinced that there will be lots of people with very valid research behind their belt, I am convinced their will be plenty of PhD's around as well etc etc. Here and there may be a guy with a tin hat but so what, let him has his fun. When you drown yourself in alcohol on a Friday night, do we wait outside and laugh at your embarrassment when you stagger out? SO give us all our space, especially those of us that actually use their brains to fire neurons constructively, not to smother them with stuff.

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 11:49

      Chris, the default position is the null hypothesis. In this case, the null hypothesis is that we have not been visited by aliens. The likes of Tellinger make two extraordinary claims: firstly that alien visitation is a real phenomenon, and secondly that there is a global conspiracy to suppress or marginalise these claims. It certainly doesn't help his cause that he's happy to align himself with all sorts of pseudoscientific gobbledygook - another Tellinger-infested conference earlier this year was equally nonsensical. Reality, and the normal everyday world, is the most effective debunker of all these outlandish claims that the likes of Tellinger are peddling. Why do they hate the real world so much? Answer that question, and you'll get to the heart of their true motivation.

      Ogre - 2011-09-23 12:05

      I read an article that encapsulates the situation quite well. Everybody knows that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, but just this morning a report on scientific findings was released that controlled and verifiable experiments had determined that neutrinos were measured as travelling faster than light. The same negative and blinkered outlook was evident when it was claimed that the earth is not flat and not the middle of the universe. This same blinkered outlook gave rise to racism, wars about religion,etc. But I suppose we need people to have opposite opinions because if we all sit on the one side of the see-saw we will all fall off.

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 12:17

      @Ogre: Wow, a faster-than-light strawman? I thought they were impossible!

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 14:01

      you are on the outside looking in and you are standing far away CapeTownJunk. I have recently bought two of Tellinger's books, both books contains lots of photo material and even if I don't even read any of his text, I can make a fair judgment of what the photographic facts present me. You can also book for a tour to actually go and see the facts..For instance a manlike footprint as big a human being is tall is there very clearly embedded in the rock...Now if you go there and you see it with your won eyes, what would be the deduction that you make? That is my question. Would you be objective or would you somehow make an outright attempt to prove it as fraud..I mena,it could be fraud but it would be very clever fraud because you will need some very skilled people to do that and proper scientists should also be able to refute it or not..But if you say "Sorry I don't belief that rubbish, I am not going to look", what have you contributed to our society then? Absolute nothing. We don't hate this world so much but that we just want to accept that everyday at 8 we have to be at work and at 5 go to home, baby, diapers, drink sleep repetition death. But it sure as hell is very exciting to investigate, even if it starts as good fiction because somehow we love fiction and movies and stuff and then to investigate further where we think a deeper truth hides. Somebody told me this morning of a strange appearange he experienced and somebody else also told me before about a UFO appearance..

      chris.kleynhans - 2011-09-23 14:07

      Oh and just for interest @Ogre. Quantum Entanglement is an effect proven and accepted and applied that enables instantaneous communication between two points at any distance over the universe instantaneously..Fair enough, it doesn't travel faster than light, it is instantaneous which points at another deeper truth...that space is an illusion and that any point can be connected to any other point if we just know how.

  • kidblack - 2011-09-23 11:52

    I INVITE YOU ALL TO SEARCH YOUTUBE FOR 2011 UFO.

  • mbube - 2011-09-23 11:54

    What the f#ck is this doing in the science section?

      toleranne - 2011-09-23 12:15

      Agree, should be in Entertainment ... or even Sport - a lot of that is equally difficult to believe ;)

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 12:21

      I ask the same question about the evolution theory. Should be in the Hans Christian Anderson section.

  • dragonben - 2011-09-23 12:51

    UFO (unidentified flying object) could be any thing, a projectile thrown in a pud that have not been identified yet, secret scientific flying machines, sky divers (who haven't identified themselves) ext. So yes there are a lot of ufo's around us everyday - so please try and identify them so they don't feel so alone and out of place;>

  • free-spirite - 2011-09-23 12:53

    I think all SA people have seen physically or on tv an Alien...... Juluis Malema..

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 13:02

      Aren't aliens meant to be intelligent life forms though?

      Quo Vadis? - 2011-09-23 14:27

      I disagree. But I think Juliaaas may have been a victim of an alien attack. Except they messed up. Instead of a colonoscopy, they gave him a frontal lobotomy. It all makes sense now.

  • Shaun Becker - 2011-09-23 12:55

    CANT WAIT TO KISS AN ALIEN WITH MY SEXY HUMAN LIPS!! BAM !

      CapeTownJunk - 2011-09-23 13:29

      Quoting Dr Zoidberg (with a suppository in hand): "Guess again!"

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 15:15

      Why wait, go to a taxi rank and shout "does anybody speak Shona"

      daaivark - 2011-09-26 07:19

      Tasteless, Matt.

  • free-spirite - 2011-09-23 12:56

    N if they find them, wats the fine? i bet it will be flying in non flying zone or flying without registeration.... crazy uh.

  • Woofix - 2011-09-23 13:16

    As long as aliens encountering is observable on u-tube, newspapers and some ridiculous TV broadcasts it will stay a hoax. Manufacturing such like crap with modern technology is as easy as falling out of a tree. Oh yea, i also see some aliens after looking @ horror movie video. . .just to wake up and found it was just a bad dream. :-)

  • corliah - 2011-09-23 13:28

    The universe was created more wonderful than we can imagine. I would love it if there were other life out there, but right now I think it is our own misguided way looking for a higher intelligence when it is actually so easy = read your bible. In the beginning God created... The End

  • gunsinwar - 2011-09-23 13:29

    @capetownjunk i kinda support what you say about Tellinger. People have to open their eyes and ears,there is more then enough evidence out there to proof that Earth is being visited by exterrestrial beings, Ufo's and Trufo's. Why cant people not still today explain what happend at Roswell, Rendlesham forest incident, Kecksburg, and Mantell the list go on and on! Do some research... the only problem with today technlogy is that everything can be faked with cgi, photoshop etc. South Africa had a few incidents to, that was only swept under the carpet. " people who witness a murder can go into court, testify to that effect, can put a man away for life, and yet the same people have a UFO experience and the testimony is no more longer valid" Ted Phillips

  • JustinD - 2011-09-23 14:08

    Only an arrogant person can assume we are alone.....we are certainly not God's gift to the universe or anything else, in fact the "man" upstairs must be wondering how his "wonderful" little creatures can destroy this awesome planet like we are doing.

      Caramel85 - 2011-09-23 15:06

      Hey JustinD I would agree with you. The universe was not created with the sole purpose of being a home for you and me... if it was, it would be a little oversized! The Bible says that the Heavens declare the glory of God. The fact that the universe is so incredibly huge (and seemingly limitless too) indicates to me as a Christian that the primary purpose of the universe is to display God's glory - if that's so then the universe is just about the right size after all! We are certainly not God's gift to the universe, as you put it, rather this beautiful planet was a gift to us as a home. The Bible clearly shows why the earth is in it's current state (and will get worse) and it is the direct result of mankind's sin, particularly greed and selfishness.

  • AntonioP - 2011-09-23 14:54

    Abductees see anal probing by extraterrestrials as a violation. But since my gastroenterologist charged me 3600 bucks for it, I think they get a bargain!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 15:17

      Julius would have done it for free

      AntonioP - 2011-09-23 16:03

      Matt, you don't know how right you are. http://klompkak.com/ancyl-suggests-nyda-probe/ancyl-kak NB, this is a real web-site, they are definitely into probing.

  • purevirgo - 2011-09-23 15:18

    why worry about UFO while we have poverty, unemployment,escalating crime rate, fraudulent top brass in our society. that conference will cause taxpayers money, rather give it for a charitable cause than feed the scums who would get tenders to supply refreshments, accommodation for delegates explaining absolutely "rubbish" in the so called "UFO CONFERENCE".

      AntonioP - 2011-09-23 16:11

      Purevirgo, We worry about it because much of the aliens are taking our jobs. And aliens also commit many of the crimes. Also, it's good to get to know the uber-ET's, seeing that they will be our masters soon. Makes sense to me. Better the Klingon you know than the one you don't.... BTW, purevirgo, have you done IT yet -you know? Do you GO? Nudge nudge. Wink wink; SAY no more!

  • pitbull - 2011-09-23 21:27

    Damn, they've caught me on my broomstick again :>

  • Mason - 2011-09-24 08:42

    Jacob Zuma, Julius Malema, P Divvy....anyone else that do not believe in Extra Terrestrials?? Let us know of more please!!

  • Wilma - 2011-09-24 11:36

    I do believe strongly in other life forces out there as I had my own experience also with sighting strange lights in the West Cape, However I can't really believe that there are still ignorant people out there believing that they don't exhist!, do they really believe they are alone, mankind are the only beings alive? really! I pray that we are not alone what would have happened to us if we were alone. What a wonderful vast universe we live in with so much to discover this makes life sooo interesting knowing the journey never ends......

      corliah - 2011-09-26 07:07

      We're not alone Wilma, what about God and His Kingdom? Is it not a much better prospect to focus on than slimy aliens that may or may not exist??

  • Jaco - 2011-09-24 15:19

    All the feeble-minded people in one place... hmm.. potential for fun!

  • cuckoo2011 - 2011-09-24 20:46

    @chris.kleynhans "Tellinger's books, both books contains lots of photo material and even if I don't even read any of his text, I can make a fair judgment of what the photographic facts present me." True - his books have lots of photo material, but I believe he has been tampering with the evidence! At this 25°35'40.72"S 30°17'19.83"E site (use google earth to look at it) I have witnessed how stones were moved by his "cleanup", altars were built where there was none, etc.