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ANC admits it knew about open toilets

2011-05-12 09:44

Cape Town - The ANC was caught out on Wednesday after its initial claims that it didn't know about the unenclosed toilets in the Viljoenskroon residential area Rammulotsi.

"We became aware of it in July last year,” ANC Free State secretary Sibongile Basani admitted to reporters on Wednesday. “We immediately gave the order that the municipality enclose the toilets. By the end of December last year, 200 of the toilets had already been enclosed,” he said.

Die Burger’s two sister papers, Rapport and City Press reported on July 4 and July 11 2010 respectively that there were open toilets in Rammulotsi.

This informal settlement is part of the Moqhaka municipality and under ANC control.

According to Basani, the Free State ANC leadership had not informed the national leadership about the situation because they had already given the municipality the order to enclose the toilets.

Despite Basani’s confession, Free State Premier Ace Magashule on Tuesday emphatically denied that the province knew about it.
Magashule’s spokesperson, William Bulwane, on Wednesday night insisted that Magashule didn’t know about the issue.

"We only found out about it this week," he said.

Shiceka reacts

Minister of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs Sicelo Shiceka was informed about the toilet issue last year when Rapport and City Press approached him for comment. He said “acceptable norms and standards for sanitary facilities” should be developed urgently.

Shiceka, who is currently on unpaid sick leave, was not available for comment on Wednesday. His spokesperson, Mbulelo Musi, on Wednesday denied that Shiceka had known about the situation.

When Die Burger pointed out that Shiceka had commented, he backpedalled and said “the minister probably referred to the Makhaza toilets (in Khayelitsha)”.

He was once again made aware that Shiceka had indeed commented on the Free State toilets, to which he answered: “To my knowledge, the minister didn’t know about the Free State toilets.”

The ANC’s national leadership also continued to claim on Wednesday that they weren't aware of the open toilets in the Free State.

"I don’t read Rapport. I don’t read City Press. I don’t read bad newspapers,” said Floyd Shivambu, spokesperson of the ANC Youth League when he was asked about the newspaper reports last year.

'We didn't know about it'

ANC national spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said: “Do you know how many things we have to handle every day in Luthuli House? Do you have any idea? I am telling you now we didn’t know about it,” he said.

When he was asked if the ANC didn’t read the reports in City Press and Rappport, his answer was: “Do you expect us to read every newspaper in the country? Sometimes one is overseas. Where should I get the City Press when I’m overseas? Sometimes a person is ill. We are only human.

"Fact is, we didn’t know about it and we are honest about it. And we are finished with this conversation,” he said, ending the call.

The Mail & Guardian’s investigative team on Wednesday night reported that the mayor of the Moqhaka municipality was a director of the company contracted by this municipality to enclose the toilets.

The mayor, Mantebu Mokgosi, earlier this week said during a visit of ANC leaders to the open toilets, that the project was taken place in “in phases” due to a shortage of money.

Comments
  • DarkFibre - 2011-05-12 09:50

    Lies are the plastic bottles floating on the oceans of truth, it will always surface......

      daaivark - 2011-05-12 09:53

      Lies? What lies? This is gospel truth as decreed by archangel Jacob and the altar boys. Must be true!

      Dr Filemon - 2011-05-12 10:02

      Luckily no aNc mayor or MEC needed a sh1t while they were visiting their constituents over the past 8 years otherwise they would have realised the sh1thouse were not enclosed. Damn. I forgot the Mayor and MEC's were too busy scoffing on the gravy train to do their jobs and visit their constituents

      POLLENYS - 2011-05-12 10:07

      Surely there are many more Viljoenskroon examples around the townships? Anybody?

      Jaimo - 2011-05-12 10:09

      This is where the ANC Govt. has taken this once beautiful country - DOWN THE TOILET! The laughing stock of the world: a country fighting an election while looking in toilets. Sis Shame!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-12 10:20

      Of course they knew about the toilets.....the whole of the ANC knew about the toilets.....the DA have been telling them about the toilets for the past 18 months. The ANC were too busy worrying about the DA!

      clark - 2011-05-12 10:22

      - Deny,deflect,deceit, deception,did'nt know,double standards - An Anc trademark.

      Sandy - 2011-05-12 10:34

      Hysterically sad but true! Noah and the Ark. SA in a nutshell In the year 2010, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in South Africa , and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me. Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans." He gave Noah the plans, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights." Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah sweeping in his yard - but no Ark. "Noah!" He roared , "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark ?" "Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbours claim that I've violated the neighbourhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Metro Council for a decision. Then ESKOM demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark 's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it. Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees because the Nature Conservation authorities say it will upset the balance of the local ecological system. I tried to convince them that I needed the wood to save us all from extinction - but no go! When I started gathering the animals, the SPCA prosecuted me. They in sisted that I was confining wild animals against their will. They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space. The traffic authorities said it would take six months after completion of the ark to plan a route to the sea. I told them also that the sea would be coming to my back yard. They threatened to have me committed. Then the Department for Environment ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until I had arranged and conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood. I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the BEE group on how many affirmative action persons I'm supposed to hire for my building crew. The Department of The Interior has insisted that I provide them with a list of the people who want to work so that they can check that they are not from the non designated group . COSATU say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience. To make matters worse, SARS seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species. So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to finish this Ark. " Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you're not going to destroy the world?" "No," said the Lord. "The SA Government has beaten me to it."

      MasterMind - 2011-05-12 11:08

      @POLLENYS - Cofimvaba, iDutywa, Mthatha, Lusikisiki, Grahamstown, Peddie, Elliotdale - any more needed????? We can supply you with the names of hundreds of townships with open toilets and plenty more with fresh cement you can still put your finger into it as the ANCpf have shot themselves in the foot with this one !!!!!

      Gorilla - 2011-05-12 12:05

      I have wondered why someone would take the time to build a shack so he is sheltered at night and from the elements, that he wouldn't build a suitable shelter around a toilet if his situation demanded it? But no, clearly not.

      Psychotron - 2011-05-12 12:10

      Guess what, as soon as the ANC is caught out then the trolls dissappear. Polio, kolobe, TshepoPigFace, Blueass where are yoooooou? Please come and defend you super sexy ANC now fools!!!!

      Otello - 2011-05-12 12:36

      I do not care whether it is the ANC or DA ........ how the hell is it possible that anyone can even come up with such a suggestion in communities that are the poorest of the poor.How are these people going to afford the raw material necessary to enclose the toilet. Are they provided with plans? What if the structure collapses on someone. And where do they get the figure of R14000 to enclose a toilet. I pay )(*&^%$#@! 40% tax and skyhigh rates in Durban - what is my money spent on? To humiliate my fellow citizens. The plan is diabolical. The residents agreed to this rediculous scheme because they are desperate for sanitation. I am disgussed with both the DA and ANC. I want the individuals responsible exposed. THEY MUST BE FIRED.

  • Alba - 2011-05-12 09:51

    hypocrits...

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-05-13 22:30

      “Do you know how many things we have to handle every day in Luthuli House? Do you have any idea? I am telling you now we didn’t know about it,” - IT'S YOUR JOB TO KNOW MORON!

  • paulf - 2011-05-12 09:51

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      Matt - 2011-05-12 09:55

      Darn you beat us to it :-)

      Siff - 2011-05-12 09:56

      thats very good. you should do more of these art works.

      ?? - 2011-05-12 10:00

      Picard facepalm.jpg is always relevant with ANC

      David Bushy - 2011-05-12 10:04

      Damm you very good, hey........VIVA PAULF VIVA im voting you for the local municipality...lol

      Lerato - 2011-05-12 10:09

      Dude your are good at this hey you should do more of then on your site maybe..!!

      Dave - 2011-05-12 10:20

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      Gorilla - 2011-05-12 10:26

      This is clever, a bit overused now, but clever nonetheless. Nice cut and paste technique you have there

      Perfume - 2011-05-12 10:28

      ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Dave

      Perfume - 2011-05-12 10:28

      ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @Dave

      Lorraine lolliez - 2011-05-12 10:42

      nice one dude

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 10:46

      Very good! Now do one with a little man looking into a toilet and saying "Hallo Mr.President!" Not original, Franco Fescura of the anc drew it years ago.

      DerpyHooves - 2011-05-12 10:51

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      erno.v.dyk - 2011-05-12 10:57

      Is it just me, or does it look a lot like Homer Simpson? lol

      wattalotokak - 2011-05-12 12:40

      I have a question - Are the toilets not meant to FIRST have the enclosures built THEN install the toilet seats with their systems???

  • anthro45@24.com - 2011-05-12 09:52

    In other words, the much talked about anual ANC meetings and councils are truely worthless and useless. Nobody actually talks to each other while having this so-called meetings. It is in other words true that the ANC is just wasting taxpayers money and forsaking their people that so religously vote for them. Now the head doesn't know about the body.

      cj - 2011-05-12 10:25

      Excellent point!

  • WoodworkPh.D - 2011-05-12 09:52

    Hipocrates!

  • anthro45@24.com - 2011-05-12 09:54

    And in 8 years it never came up once in Lunathic house?

      MasterMind - 2011-05-12 11:10

      That's Lootfreely House to you - never get it wrong again please !!!

  • BunduBabe - 2011-05-12 09:55

    so defensive ANC. Siestog. You didn't seem to have much sympathy for the DA in CT - in fact you helped tear down the enclosures that were eventually put up. Now it's your turn. By the way, I know for a fact they aren't the only community under ANC control that has these toilets. Vasbyt because it's going to get bumpy!!

  • Maki - 2011-05-12 09:55

    The media is going to great lengths to distort the truth. Local leaders may have known about the issue and have reacted, fixing 200. National leaders did not know. Do you think CEO of big company like ABSA knows if there is a branch in Poffadder that does not work?

      Sho Fukamachi - 2011-05-12 10:00

      STFU Maki, you and your lying brothers have been caught out. It might be time for you to pack your things, you're going to be kicked out of this country soon enough. Down with ANC corruption, down with ANC thievery, down with ANC racism. Kthxbye.

      UncleBaz - 2011-05-12 10:00

      You fuc&*%# right he will! Dumb ass!

      Krush - 2011-05-12 10:02

      Well the ANC should have swept infront of their house first before taking the DA to court in cape town. Why are you constantly trying to protect everything they do when they are clearly wrong? You have completely lost objectivity. Did a white person hurt you? You need to take a good look at your motives.

      jweer42 - 2011-05-12 10:06

      Yes he does ... its a whole branch that disappears off their system. And its costing them money and clients ... of course he'll notice. Its called keeping your eyes on the ball ... to put the ANC into this analogy, they'll be raping the cheerleader behind the stands rather than participate in the game.

      Protest - 2011-05-12 10:07

      Don't you get dizzy and nauseated with all the spin doctoring you are attempting?

      anthro45@24.com - 2011-05-12 10:08

      Yes, you dumb sot. They do know. It's called competent management.

      Dave - 2011-05-12 10:12

      if the branch in poffadder was bringing the name of ABSA down, i'm sure he would. This $hiters have been open for 8 years my man, 8yrs? Has no one from top level been to the Free State in the pasy 8 yrs? The media is doing a great job in exposing the ANC for what i really is, its only people like Maki Donald that beleive what they want to, when they wawnt to.

      Anonymus - 2011-05-12 10:12

      go back to your corner and continue eating your fried chicken!

      jds - 2011-05-12 10:12

      I'm sorry maki I have thought long and hard about what I am going to say to you:"what an idiot"!!Why can't the ANC never accept responsibility??!!They are pathetic!

      Foxx - 2011-05-12 10:13

      Maki just like your brothers you are avoiding the truth. The ANC should have known, they apointed those people to do the job,even though they were not qualified to do. THE ANC leaders must be held responsable and do you know why. Service delivery has been a big issues for years they should have made sure to keep their house in order before they pointed fingers at the DA. It's called taking responsablity!

      jds - 2011-05-12 10:17

      The thing you have to understand here is that it's showing just how pathetic the ANC are in tackling and handling strategic objectives!How did they not know that their whole "DA blaming debacle" would not blow up in their face??How do you respect leaders like that?Look into the mirror before criticising!!

      cj - 2011-05-12 10:23

      Maki, since you have a computer and know how to type, I assume you have a brain. That means you know you are defending the indefensible, actually being dishonest. What truth is being distorted by the media ?The current ANC is based on your type of dishonesty. It's leading the country to ruin. Come on man, stop lying to yourself.

      Maki - 2011-05-12 10:26

      Luckily we do not need your 10 votes to stay in power and fix the mess created by apartheid. About 30 million people can see the good the ANC has done and can overlook the one or two tiny blemmishes. If a respected elder says she did not know then that is good enough for me. As comrade Malema has stated, heads of those who did know should roll. I believe when the culprit is found, she will be disciplined. Can we rather focus on important issue rather than carry on mud throwing at ANC?

      JackieMoon - 2011-05-12 10:28

      Africa will stay 3rd world because of attitudes like yours. If Africa cant help themselves, they will just stick out their begging paws and ask the west to help them out while at the same time bashing their policies. Your comrades are too busy helping themselves to our tax money and leaving the poor with nothing. When will you ever see this???? I guess the more uneducated they leave the masses the easier it is for them...just play the race card everytime. No surprise the mayor is the director of the company that was supposed to fix them.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-05-12 10:28

      We can't have only 200 toilets out of 1600 enclosed. This is a human rights abuse. Tear them all down... Tear them all down!!!!!

      50something - 2011-05-12 10:30

      Well - if the ANC is taking other people to court over the same issue, they damn well must make sure that their own backyard is clean. WTF. And yes any CEO should know hat is going on in pofadder, or have the confidence that who is in charge of pofadder is not f%*king up the place, otherwise they will go out of business, so it remains his responsibility. But with the ANC there is no accountablility. The mayor will just be re-emplyed and I can bet you my bottom dollor he will even be re-elected!!!! That is how sophisticated our electorate is.

      Andy skinstad - 2011-05-12 10:31

      you knew about the open toilets in the western cape, but not in your own back yard??? I find that hard to believe. In fact, I refuse to believe it. If the ABSA CEO did know about his own branch not working in Poffadder, how come he goes way out of his way to highlight the FNB branch that doesn't work in Kraaifontuin? Bad analogy Maki

      Gwen - 2011-05-12 10:42

      An ANC Cabinet Minister commented. Is he not a national leader? In any case, am I the only person disturbed that a regional ANC branch thinks it has the power to "order" a municipality to do something?

      cj - 2011-05-12 10:49

      Maki, now you want us to stop this mud slinging at the ANC. Did you ask the ANC, especially big mouths Malema and Ehrenreich to stop their mud-slinging at the DA ? Thought not. It's not about toilets so much as the ANC's duplicity.

      Protest - 2011-05-12 10:50

      @ Maki: Your words: "the good the ANC has done and can overlook the one or two tiny blemmishes" If the blemishes attributed to the ANC could be listed here, it would make for hours of reading. The ANC are blemished at all levels. If it was not for the intimidation and indoctrination at grass root level, tha ANC support base would be crumbling much faster. Any way, at this stage it seems like the ANC does not exist any more. Seemingly the ANC has been hijacked by the criminal element. There are some ANC leaders that deserve respect but they are nearly invisible against the blemishes caused by the hijackers. The ANC needs to clean house. Not deny and amplify the problems with politically immature responses to this situation. South Africa needs strong leadership. Not the type of imitation leaders identified by their lack of leadership during hard times.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-05-12 10:52

      No my friend, you cannot have your cake and eat it. ANC supporters were very vocal about this issue where the DA is involved, citing it as an example of the most atrocious human rights infringement, but now you call this a "tiny blemish" because it involves the ANC. When it was a stick with which to beat the DA, it could not be repeated often enough, but now the same stick is beating the ANC, and you ANC hardliners want everybody to ignore it? I think not.

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 10:52

      Excuses, excuses! You anc incontinents can say what you like, you are still incontinent!

      PB - 2011-05-12 10:56

      Maki I like the bit of "local leaders MAY have known.." - WTF!! If they didn't know, what the hell are they doing there? Fixing 200 is a drop in the ocean. Here are a couple of expressions you can pay attention to : THE BUCK STOPS HERE - Taking full responsibility, as in You needn't call my boss; the buck stops here. This saying gained fame as a sign on the desk of President Harry S. Truman. It alludes to another expression that means the opposite, PASS THE BUCK -something the ANC + ANCYL are absolutely brilliant at. IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE IN THE EYES OF THE LAW. In any company, the CEO is the one who has to take the punishment when one of it's underlings f-up. The buck stops with him. In the real world out there (non-ANC world)successful companies (and political parties)proper hierarchy of responsibilities are set up and adhered to, making every level responsible for seeing to whatever problem getting the attention necessary to fix it. And if a certain level is not doing it's job, there are methods of getting the message accross to the next level up. If the ANC was run like a successful company/political party -instead of a gravy train where everyone is just out to see what they can shovel into their back pockets - we would not have the lack of service delivery that is synonymous with the ANC government. Open your eyes

      Gazza99 - 2011-05-12 11:01

      @Maki, if a branch was a problem for 8 friggin years I'm sure he would.

      WhiteAfrican - 2011-05-12 11:04

      Funny how you and your ANC brothers and sisters have changed their tune. Double standards.

      trekpostal - 2011-05-12 11:05

      You didn't know Maria is seriously connected into the biggest network in the country (pun intended). At least her network is plugged in and informs all up the ladder via a severity 1 major incident and leadership is kept informed until service is restored. Now you know why it is so easy for the ANC to run a country to the ground and cannot run a business except for EE corruption as the ruling party doesn't have any skills except those that landed them with a criminal record.

      Mark - 2011-05-12 11:05

      @JackieMoon, people like maki want Sa to remain a 3rd world country. They wont survive in a 1st world country

      Thembisile - 2011-05-12 11:06

      We didn't know no longer applies and it is unaccpetable.In leadership position you suppose to know everything about what you are in charge of. Enough with excuses.

      Colin - 2011-05-12 11:10

      Nice Maki..So these people are as important as....well, a branch of a corporation in Pofadder to you and your ilk? And YES, if the CEO is worth his salt, he or she WOULD know about a "branch in Pofadder that doesn't work" if that branch not working had dire implications for the reputation of the company as a whole. Take off your Rose tinted specs... Yes, when they were elected, the ANC make huge strides in transforming a country ravaged by 40 years of Apartheid and I was one of those who voted for them. Unfortunately 17 years later they have degenerated into another National Party..... I for one, (and yes, if I am one of only 10 votes, so be it...At least I I will have the peace of mind knowing there are at least another 9 sane people in the country who actually care about our future and don't vote simply based on racial lines), will NOT be voting ANC come this election..... Governing a country is a privilege not a right... And when Government forgets this, then it is time to stand down.

      karl.wortmann - 2011-05-12 11:15

      So they knew about a few unenclosed toilets in an area that they do not govern, but they did not know about thousands of unenclosed toilets in an area that they do govern? Maki, have you actually stopped to think about this? Face it, the ANC are useless at planning anything because they're too busy partying. Excuse the pun.

      Ogre - 2011-05-12 11:16

      The mud slinging was started by the ANC. It never ocurred to them that they might have to end it. Of course the national leaders should have known, that is why they are being paid an indecent amount of money that is tax free so that they do not have to worry about SARS but focus on their jobs. Why is the truth always deemed to have been distorted or taken out of context for one group but always applicable to another. This sounds hauntingly familiar. The same scenario is visible in the Justice System, only here it is not just a matter of race, as only the rich and politically connected seem to be immune from the law. Yes, even poor black South Africans are sublect to the same laws that the whites and other races are subject to. Even amongst the followers of the ANC there is a division as to who qualifies for unfair advantages. This is the hidden part of the AA and BEE that only manifests when the media picks up on it. We are living in a democracy that is very carefully orchestrated to keep the average Joe hopefully at such a level that he gets just enough not to complain too much but cannot truly share in the bounty of this country and the average Joe keeps on falling for it. The past few months, however, the wheels have come off because too much time was spent by the government, like a child running up and down the isles shopping in a toy store, instead of minding its business of running the country. Now it is all they can do to to limit the damage.

      karabo - 2011-05-12 11:25

      Maki, if the CEO is running the company well, why would he or she know, explain, i thi nk there is something wrong in ANC governance, don't you think???If the issue was money, don't you think the ANC national leaders were made aware, then if not, why is the ANC running the municipalities??How are we ezpecting service delivery,to all???

      RiverStone - 2011-05-12 11:34

      Yes

      multicon - 2011-05-12 11:56

      Yes they do, but you cannot compare a CEO of a big company with the incompetent defiant, treacherous bunch that sit in seats of governance. I think most of these honorable ministers have doubled in size since they took up office.

      multicon - 2011-05-12 12:04

      And Maki saki, who is your comrade Malemma to say that "heads must roll". He is not the government, he is not employed in the police or judicial sectors, basically he is a civilian with no more powers that joe soap. He should rather humble himself than becoming an usurper and instigator. He is a bad person with a real crappy attitude.

      Psychotron - 2011-05-12 12:13

      Hehe, shut up your beloved ANC was caught with it's pants down and is now red-faced. Don't blame it on someone else like you normally do. Admit it like a man, your party stuffed up. If the DA stuffed up on something I will admit fault, whereas you won't. That just shows how corrupt your mind is.

      ex-pat - 2011-05-12 15:43

      Maki, have you ever heard the expression, "the buck stops here"? Basically, it means the the top guy is the one who must ultimately take responsibility for what those lower down do, or don't do. The manager of that branch in Pofadder would know that he is answerable to the CEO of ABSA, and if his branch doesn't perform, he's out.

      Electronic Cemetery - 2011-05-12 16:12

      @Maki, It stands to reason that if they had the time and inclination to investigate and even attend, for reasons unknown,the trial against the city of Cape Town and the DA leadership which was outside of their jurisdiction as it was a ward run by the DA for the exact same thing they must of first had time the to make sure their own wards were clear of this infringement on human dignity... Hypocrisy is a funny thing... It's terrible being on the wrong side of it! @Maki again, why don't you stop talk rubbish and accept that the ANC are in the wrong here?! Why do you rush to their defense so quickly? What have they ever given you?

      Clive - 2011-05-13 09:05

      Amazing how ANC supporters will come up with any old crap - pun intended - to try and get their so-called leaders out of the you-know-what. Next Maki will tell us that the national "leaders" (what a misnomer) didn't know about the lousy Matric results, the dysfunctional hospitals, the violent crime, the unreliable train services, etc. Maki, REAL leaders are true leaders if they make it their business to know about matters that affect the people that they are supposed to be caring for, even those living in Pofadder. All politicians are hypocrites, but the ANC has taken hypocrisy to new heights - or is it lows?!

      simon - 2011-05-13 09:39

      Maki, you are so dumb I can assume only that you are a product of your failed ANC education system. For your information, the present, black, CEO of Eskom studied engineering at UCT during the apartheid 1980's. I doubt that you, with your poor anc education will ever achieve anything.

      kvandl - 2011-05-13 10:57

      The people in Pofadder will vote with their feet if they are not satisfied with ABSA, probably go to Landbank. That will make the boss of ABSA aware of the situation in Pofadder

  • Claire - 2011-05-12 09:55

    Oh my... WTF

      tryanything - 2011-05-12 13:38

      and watermelon

  • Matt - 2011-05-12 09:56

    Alas, 66% will believe the lies of "Saint" Jacob no matter what proof of truth comes out...

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 10:58

      You are wrong this time!

      WhiteAfrican - 2011-05-12 11:07

      Because half of them can't read, others can't afford the papers and don't have access to technology, the rest are so full of hatred that they couldn't care less if its true or not. Undereducated citizens are the ANCs most powerful weapon.

      Psychotron - 2011-05-12 12:17

      And continue to vote in unclosed toilets. Don't forget they will sort out all problems just vote the ANC in. But the ANC have been promising for 17 years. So I have no sympathy for the toilet saga and the people that use it. They voted therefore they got it.

  • liesl - 2011-05-12 09:57

    And not one of these genius, when the sh** hit the fan in CT last year and the ANC bigwigs got their knickers in a knot, had the sense to phone Luthuli house and say "Pssst ... cool it ... we have some in our back yard, too!" LOL

      Ogre - 2011-05-12 11:17

      Shows a lack of multitasking skills

  • Janine - 2011-05-12 09:57

    Oh - this is priceless!! Excellent timing - just before elections. Clearly the ANC has NO clue as to what is going on. VOTE DA!

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:00

      Viva DA Viva! Time to give the anc a fright. Vote DA!

      jds - 2011-05-12 11:32

      ViVa DA ViVa!!

  • MacDaKnife - 2011-05-12 09:57

    What the heck is going here offcourse they all knew about it. Watch your back Basini your job is on the line here for exposing these retards

  • Siff - 2011-05-12 09:58

    will these jokers ever tell the truth about anything?

      WhiteAfrican - 2011-05-12 11:08

      When hell freezes over.

  • Phlegm - 2011-05-12 09:59

    "Do you know how many things we have to handle every day at Luthuli house" SHAME, pressure of running government too much? Step down then, give the job to people or parties that can handle it! chop

      SaintBruce - 2011-05-12 10:28

      Ummm - Phlegm doesn't this rais another VERY important issue ??? Running the Government should come from the efforts of Parliament and the Premiers of each Province NOT the Party Political Head Office of the ANC!! Or is Luthuli House our ACTUAL seat of Government? Pretty weird statement to make from the ANC. Looks like they cannot handle pressure and let on stuff before thinking what comes out of their mouth - even for 'spokesmen' ! Bad politics, great for the opposition.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-05-12 10:32

      I agree. Using excuses like that is what a child does.

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:04

      Obviously the anc cannot take the pressure. Toss them out like an apple core, do not recycle.

      50something - 2011-05-12 13:14

      Herein lies the problem - Luthuli House is the ANC headquarters, not government, but they cannot distinguise between the two

      tryanything - 2011-05-12 13:40

      What they meant was how many fires do we have to put out.

  • David - 2011-05-12 10:00

    "Where should I get the City Press when I’m overseas?" Love it!

      Protest - 2011-05-12 10:17

      To add to David, surely the Minister is not expected to read every newspaper. His advisors are. There are a whole structure of support staff for each ANC minister. The claim that the upper structures did not know about the Free State toilets is either absolute lies or absolute failure of the ministerial structures. I cannot decide what option is worse Sigh..............

      Gwen - 2011-05-12 10:44

      They don't have the internet overseas? Does everyone in Luthuli House take the day off when Jackson jaunts off overseas?

      Chris - 2011-05-12 12:26

      His bleeding over paid media analyzer should be attending to this sort of reading.

  • crocoros - 2011-05-12 10:04

    Ah! so its the top dogs that are not doing their jobs. I say get rid of them and get responsible, capable intelligent, hardworking people to fullfil the the duties the ANC simply fail to do.

      Ogre - 2011-05-12 11:26

      Only in South Africa do you get rewarded for screwing up a company or the country. The irony is those "responsible, capable intelligent, hardworking people to fullfil the the duties the ANC " are not just available in the other political parties, but in the ANC as well, but they have been marginalised since Jacob Zuma and his cronies took over because they represent a bigger threat to the governing group than the DA. That is the reason for the reports that occasionally appear about members that conspire to oust Zuma.

      croix - 2011-05-13 10:01

      Now imagine if the stupid bigwigs in the anc had the sense to keep qualified staff running all departments of state? The quality of life for all Saffricans would have been great and the anc would have been revered. Instead, they shot themselves in the foot and their racism has now bitten them in the backside - I for one am GLAD it's finally exposed them for the incompetents they really are. But then, the plan must always have been to create such chaos that they could loot in peace?

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-05-12 10:05

    Damn, in that case, wait for that "blame apartheid" speach as a last resort, I bet you some w@anker ANC comrade will make that claim and moment now, watch this space

      Psychotron - 2011-05-12 12:22

      Malema will probably blame someone other than his own kind.

  • Smindlo - 2011-05-12 10:05

    ANC are all about lies and empty promises, and I hope people have begun to see through their self-serving tendencies. these people dont really care about the well being of our country...still on that, there is plenty of open-air toilets in mpumalanga.

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:08

      Please NAME the towns where the anc has open toilets. Empty claims are no good. Like shooting blanks to kill a pig.

  • Protest - 2011-05-12 10:05

    The Tlot Phickens

  • weberjacques - 2011-05-12 10:06

    Just shows you how the ANC lies! It is a typical ANC thing to do! They have been lying about Service Delivery since 1994 and simply do not want to allow the DA to be shown as delivering!!

  • Slapper - 2011-05-12 10:06

    Just a Lying, Denying inept pack of degenerate Bastards. Thats the ANC of today. The do not deserve the right to run a city garbage dump

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:26

      They cannot even run to a toilet . . .

  • Craig - 2011-05-12 10:07

    "The Mail & Guardian’s investigative team on Wednesday night reported that the mayor of the Moqhaka municipality was a director of the company contracted by this municipality to enclose the toilets" How can a company where the mayor is a director get the job to fix the toilets. No wonder they charging R40 000. Seriously, the ANC need to wake the hell up. Or they will just destroy the entire country piece by piece.

      paulf - 2011-05-12 10:16

      That's what they do bud. Why do you think the people are unhappy with the candidates the ANC give them? They are all buddies there to enrich themselves.

      Nobuntu - 2011-05-12 10:20

      At last, somebody else picked up this bit of information. Wake up people. If we go on like this we will be faced with a life that is worse than anything the apartheid laws caused.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-05-12 11:05

      Take a look at this: Worked out as follows I can get all the equipment required at this rate from reatil outlets / professional installers with no discount and using only the best equipment (stuff I don't even have at home): R2900.00 - 1200 Red Fire Bricks 2m x 2m R550.00 - Cement R440.00 - Sand R1299.99 - Dune close-coupled toilet suite, cistern and dual flush R329.90 - Thermo Toilet seat R2890.00 - Maple / Mahogony solid door R200.00 - 3 lever door lock + 2 keys R3500.00 - Installation costs for connecting to sewerage and incoming water system R2000.00 - Labour costs for brickwork R4800.00 - Tiled roof (including rafters) R3000.00 - Misc. costs / unforseen expenses R21909.00 - TOTAL cost per toilet if I built it and I'm in IT not building Thats half the cost of what are being built (Where does the other R18091.00 go???????

      paulf - 2011-05-12 11:33

      Nice one Rob and so true. This mayor made a fortune out of the deal, no wonder there was not enough money, all went to his pocket. Zuma has taught them all very well and renominated them for positions.

      Ogre - 2011-05-12 11:39

      Craig, the ANC cadres have allowed the present top brass of the ANC to become so entrenched and at ease with their corrupt activities that they cannot allow someone else to run the country for fear of prosecution. We can only hope that enough voters can come to their senses to either vote the ANC out of power in the municipalities as an exercise to see whether someone else can deliver at local level without endangering their beloved ANC at National level or to just toss the cronies out of top management. As I stated in another response, the ANC have intelligent, well educated people that are capable of creating a good government. The message that will be sent to government is to shape up or you will ship out with the next general election.

      Happy-go-lucky - 2011-05-12 11:51

      @Rob: thanks for sharing that! lol, i had a good laugh at the figures (comparing that to the R40K the ANC said that the toilets will each cost) I can only imagine that the rest - R18,091, goes to a someone that has to wipe their ar$es for them...it is creating employment, afterall

      croix - 2011-05-12 12:22

      Where on earth do you think the money comes from to buy the scores of luxury vehicles (increasing daily) you see on the roads around you???

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:28

      @Rob Gunning - one thing wrong in your list is that of the toilet door - you as a builder should know that an open/outside building should have a metal door, not?

  • AJ - 2011-05-12 10:08

    And the original tender to build those open toilets was awarded to a senior ANC party official in the area. Hands up if you didn't already guess that though?

  • jds - 2011-05-12 10:09

    And there it is...the ANC jokes continues!!

  • willieman - 2011-05-12 10:09

    So they knew,why don't they talk about racism.For how long is the ANC going to play racism card when we debate issues

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:30

      Where is Polio-dronki and BlacksoSquat's input - I'm trying to find their response and why they will blame apartheid!

  • TheWasp - 2011-05-12 10:10

    Why not get Malema who made such a big thing about this to go take a Dump there....oh, sorry I forgot, he wouldn't be caught dead in a crapy township, too busy living the good life in his 6 million Rand home on Northcliff Hill which he pays for on his R25 000pm salary - yeah right! And by the way Juli-ass - i'm your so called white criminal that has to be punished still, would give an eye to have you in a ring for 5 minutes....no gloves!

      marguerite - 2011-05-12 10:46

      if Malema lives in Northcliff - I am packing up now and leaving!!

      tryanything - 2011-05-12 13:20

      where does this guy live?Anybody really know??

  • croix - 2011-05-12 10:10

    Another soppy story by the useless "Africa's Nefarious Crooks" and by the way : If that 'skelem' Shitckaka has been on sick leave for (?) months, WHY has he still got a "spokesperson"?!!! Or is this idle spokesperson now on his personal payroll? Maybe to act as liaison with his 'traditional sangoma'? The ANC has become the laughing stock of the world. "Your lies, like flies, must breed profusely to survive"!

  • conrizzle - 2011-05-12 10:11

    deny, deny then lie!

  • DieBaas - 2011-05-12 10:12

    love how they all blame each other! no one will take blame

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:31

      You wrong - they will blame apartheid!

  • anthro45@24.com - 2011-05-12 10:13

    And die naai just deny

  • kevventer - 2011-05-12 10:14

    WAHAHAAHA. TYPICAL ANC strategy to all arising issues... Step 1. Deny it Step 2. Deny it Step 3. Blame apartheid Step 4. Tell Julius to cause a stir on another topic Step 5. Sweep it under the carpet and blame the DA of being some kind of labelled party.

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:14

      They are AFRAID of the DA! Time to give the anc a fright, vote DA! Please, please do not vote for those small parties. They are all good guys but what SA needs now is a STRONG OPPOSITION to nail the lying anc.

  • stk - 2011-05-12 10:14

    Finally someone admits the ANC can't COPE with the work they SHOULD be doing.

      WhiteAfrican - 2011-05-12 11:11

      They're too busy trying to hide everything else, its a job you know. One lie needs another and another etc etc

  • Dave - 2011-05-12 10:15

    evertime they open their mouths they really make themselves look more stupid and incompetent!! Eish my toti ma doti!!

  • Marcell - 2011-05-12 10:17

    We you start to lie you should keep book of it, else you will be found out!

  • Foxx - 2011-05-12 10:18

    The ANC Mantashe said " I want to be honest with you". That means they he has been lying along. when someone says to me "I want to be honest with you", I don't trust that person.

  • Liesbet - 2011-05-12 10:19

    Popcorn... (check) Chips.... (check) This is going to be fun... First the WC and now FS... come on Gauteng? Where's your toilets?

  • mzanzirules - 2011-05-12 10:19

    @Maki.... Bad example dude you can't compare the private sector to public sector, things worki in the private sector and companies are accountable for what they do unlike civil service, hau you should know betta brother!

  • jds - 2011-05-12 10:23

    "I don’t read Rapport. I don’t read City Press. I don’t read bad newspapers,” said Floyd Shivambu...do you read at all???How can these so called "leaders" speak like this?

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:40

      I do not read Rapport but I do know that the anc is incompetent. Now where did I get that from? Direct from the anc!

      GregandShaz - 2011-05-12 11:53

      He can,t read

      michaelp1 - 2011-05-12 12:13

      That's because he doesn't want to hear what he doesn't want to hear. The people who don't know that they don't know are extremely dangerous people!

      Protest - 2011-05-12 13:29

      Rapport and City Press should sue. Sigh.............

  • jef lebowski - 2011-05-12 10:24

    " Do you know how many things we have to handle everyday in Luthuli House." Yes we do, you handle millions of rands of fraudulant money and bribes, you nose picking ape.

      Marcell - 2011-05-12 10:26

      That is animal abuse! :)

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:34

      Jef - well said !!!

  • Gorilla - 2011-05-12 10:25

    They just said "there are no open toilets" Now they say they "know about them" I think that nobody in the ANC has a clue what is in fact going on outside their airconditioned offices with imported salmon snacks. Ant these guys run our country??!! - Heaven help us all.

  • Perfume - 2011-05-12 10:27

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      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:41

      Are you squint or something?

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:35

      Once is not enough?

  • Jason Williamson - 2011-05-12 10:28

    The ANC is a F###ing Joke!!!! This is not a government! more like a racist self absorbing circus. Please vote DA so we can improve South Africa. Every vote counts.

      Psychotron - 2011-05-12 12:25

      VIVA DA!!!

  • ands - 2011-05-12 10:28

    The irony is that even during the hell that most South Africans were put through with the Nats. I remember very clearly that they built complete toilets, walls and all....before they built the houses in some settlements they were involved in. As bad as the Nats were for South Africa....they were better than what the ANC is to its own people. Now surely that puts the current situation into perspective?

  • simon - 2011-05-12 10:31

    Citizens, on May 18 YOU can change this. If you vote ANC on 18 May, DO NOT WHINE ABOUT SERVICE DELIVERY, CORRUPTION, OPEN TOILETS, HOUSING, ANYMORE! The choice is yours.

  • sizwemqobo - 2011-05-12 10:31

    From a politicking point of view it seems the score is now even DA 1: ANC 1. Now lets proceed to find out who came up with this idea open toilets in the first instance? Was it an innovation in service delivery or a manner of degrading people? Is it consistent with the cherished principle of transparency or its making s**t of people's dignity.

      Gwen - 2011-05-12 10:47

      Actually, I think the ANC has come out of this smelling nastier. I thought that the DA had made a mess of handling their toilet issue - they should just have fixed the damn toilets and apologised. But at least they took responsibility for their decision. Lying and pretending is just so much worse...

      Cheetas - 2011-05-12 11:20

      I think the idea of open toilets first came up long before apartheid started. It used to be just an open hole in the ground. Then when apartheid introduced toilets we had long drops to try and keep the area clean. Now there is sanitation and a toilet provided for free. All the owner nedd to do is enclose it ! I suspect that is too much to ask !

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:49

      DA 10 - anc 1 The anc knew about their own fiasco for 8 years and did NOTHING! The DA consulted with the community and made a deal. It was spoilt by a handful out of the whole lot. If it had not been spoilt it would have ended up as an innovative way to give EVERYBODY a toilet. Now that the anc have politicized it the people will lose out. THE PEOPLE WILL LOSE OUT DUE TO THE PETTINESS OF THE anc!

      Mike - 2011-05-13 09:38

      @Cheetas - what you smoking - the same stuff as Joost

  • Brandon96end - 2011-05-12 10:31

    circus. Really.

  • Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-05-12 10:31

    Ok its pretty obvious the anc cant deliver, but with that aside, they treat their ppl like babies!!! why must we pay for their toilets to be closed!! i wake up early every day to go to work to pay for my own toilet, water, elec, etc. Its not my fault they chose to hav 10 children each and not to work!!! This is to all the anc comrads, basic science, u learn this in primary school: For every ACTION there is a REACTION!!!! U want jobs, better schools, etc... if each 1 of u didnt decide to hav 10 babies each 20 years ago we could hav focused on quality rather than quantity! u will fall by ur own decisions!!!

      World Traveler - 2011-05-12 11:51

      Only have as many babies as you can afford to care for, educate and bring up in a responsible manner.

      INFINIT - 2011-05-12 12:08

      ey u can talk crap. But at least u honest,u say what most of "you",as u put it, think but never say out loud. Then u wonder why most black people will never vote for a white person capable of bringing about change. in people like you, racism breeds and will live till we die.

  • Rover_ZA - 2011-05-12 10:32

    And so this mess the ANC started comes straight back to them. The wheel turns...