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DA claims massive gains in Western Cape

2011-05-19 16:04

Cape Town - The Democratic Alliance on Thursday claimed massive municipal election gains in the Western Cape, with provincial leader Theuns Botha saying the party would control 15 of 30 municipalities.

"It is not all official yet, but we will take 15," he said at the IEC results centre in Bellville South.

According to audited results, the DA had won outright control of Drakenstein, taking 35 seats to the ANC's 19, and Breede Valley, where it took 22 seats to the ANC's 14 out of total 41 seats.

It repeated the feat in Saldanha Bay, taking 15 seats to the ANC's eight, as well as in George, where it took 25 seats out of 49.

The party also won clear majorities in Bergriver, Swartland, Overstrand, Langeberg, Threewaterskloof, Mossel Bay and the West Coast district municipality.

The ANC won an outright majority in Beaufort West, with seven out of 13 seats.

In Witzenberg, the DA took 10 seats and the ANC eight out of 23. In Kannaland, the Independent Civic Organisation of South Africa won three seats and the ANC and DA two each.

Botha said the results were a vast improvement on the party's performance in 2006 local polls.

Then, it won an outright majority in only two municipalities and eventually controlled five thanks to coalitions with smaller parties.

The DA's gains come on the back of a massive increase in voter turnout which the IEC said was above 60% in all municipalities.

In Prince Albert, 81% of registered voters cast their ballots.

The IEC said that by early afternoon it had captured 60% of votes in the Cape Town metro, where the DA is hoping to retain control after a close contest with the ANC.

Comments
  • Wayne - 2011-05-19 16:09

    The more Municipalities the DA wins, the more they can prove that they are the real deal and are the best party to get South Africa back to a civilised country.

      Christo - 2011-05-19 16:14

      Yup. I'm really bummed out that Pretoria wasn't won though. This city deserves much better.

      Colourblind - 2011-05-19 16:20

      Yep. Not winning PE could turn into a blessing for the DA. Now they don't have to spread their talented resources too thin too quickly. Focus on the small wins. Make these small municipalities excellent, and use them as a training ground and talent identification mechanism to get people run the big metros when they inevitably turn. Sounds like a solid gameplan to me.

      Zion - 2011-05-19 17:19

      Yes and may it be a shining advertisement for the blind.

      veja24seven - 2011-05-19 17:19

      DA is one sided(or they failing WC). i stay in cape town and see that everyday. all townships are like Alex back in the 90s. Slow development of RDP houses, lazy security in the townships. black community schools are trash (all!). 2011 we still have places without electricity. DA is failing WC, and they keep feeding people with lies saying they did this and that while we people staying in WC don't see that. ANC is corrupt but there's progress happening. After 5years of ruling, people are still complaining about basic needs like Electricity! White forks wont see that because they're 24seven in towns where DA is mostly focusing. Sharks are all over townships, next to the national airport in Gugulethu you get greeted by them next to the main roads. You can what ever you want to say but I'm not happy with DA. If they fail just 1 province i cant imagine what will happen if they rule whole country.

      phillip.havenga - 2011-05-19 17:51

      @veja I spend a lot of time in the town ships and I have seen constant improvements being made.

      Colourblind - 2011-05-19 18:18

      @veja You gave the ANC 15 years to deliver and now give the DA only 2/3 years and expect immediate results? They didn't even have an outright majority in those 2/3 years. Now that they really control Cape Town let's all hope that they can make some REAL changes.

      ANC-FTL - 2011-05-20 15:44

      Veja - explain to us what good the ANC did in the WC when they where in power? I can guarentee you that the Da has done more for everyone in the city that what the ANC did in their time here - you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. Have you compared them to ANC lead townships - what is better about them, Id really like to know.

  • CharlieSheen - 2011-05-19 16:10

    Why do they still call it a close contest for Cape Town when the DA is in the lead by far?

      donkerhond - 2011-05-19 16:12

      Probably because 500 000 botched votes can come out of nowhere to bite you in the *ss \:D/

      CharlieSheen - 2011-05-19 16:13

      Yeah, and that won't be suspicious at all, not one bit :P

      Ernst Jordaan - 2011-05-19 16:15

      They want to keep the window open for tampering with the results!!!

      DeonL - 2011-05-19 16:15

      40% votes are outstanding, that is why it still can be close.

      CharlieSheen - 2011-05-19 16:23

      DeonL - if you look at the number of registered voters, take 60% of that, and split it up accordingly, based on the percentage both the DA and ANC got so far, to get total number of votes for each...then look at the remaining 40% votes still outstanding, and the number the ANC would need to draw equal, let alone surpass the DA, it would mean that they'd need to get about 60% of the remaining votes, without the DA getting any, just to pull even, from where the votes can be split equally. Do you think that's a logical scenario? Because I don't.

      Neutedop - 2011-05-19 16:28

      The reality is that Guguletu, Kayalitsha and others must still come in - and that is major ANC supporters. The areas that is in is all DA strongholds.

      Ben - 2011-05-19 16:47

      It is because the results of the traditionally ANC strongholds (like Khayalitsha) still are outstanding. The results from there usually comes in last, due to their size and the logistics surrounding them. In the previous elections the DA always started out strong, but that gets eroded as soon as Khayalitsha, Llanga, etc. results "hit the fan" so to speak. But yes, I agree that even with that factor, the DA might still win with a large margin (touch wood).

      Black24 - 2011-05-19 16:49

      Last I heard the DA had 1.4 million votes in Capetown. With only 2.7m registered voters, they must already have more than 50% regardless, right?

      Vela Stardust - 2011-05-19 17:01

      @Ricky. You are totally in the dark. The elections which just took place was about service delivery. The DA have candidates across races and voters have voted for DA candidates across races. If you would like to add something, be constructive or butt out. We don't like racists in South Africa.

      Gedoente - 2011-05-19 17:05

      @ Ricky. Crock of sh^*&^t mate. Transformation isn't taking from hard working people and giving it freely to those lying around in the streets smoking zol. Transformation is putting those with skills in positions where they can help those without skills become employable. That is happening in DA municipalities. There are MANY previously disadvantaged people a.k.a black and coloured people being bettered. In the ANC strongholds people arent getting trained cos there is no-one to train them. Hence skills get lost to the private sector where those with skills have to play second fiddle to those with the correct skin colour. So obviously those with skills wont pass it on, because it is their livelyhood. So we either need a lot more DA led municipalities that will use taxpayers' money to redistribute skills or the ANC itself changing their fundamental policy. I think you can see that the latter won't happen easily because the ANC believes that one of their core policies of always promoting the black before white irrespective of who has the most skills will is what win them many votes. This will eventually lead to a lowly-skilled state workforce with no real prospects in the highly competitive private sector, meaning that those in the state sector will cling to power with all means necessary and the youth of the black majority will never strive for excellence. Quite frankly, why should they, if the easiest road to success entails joining the ANC? Thats why we vote DA

      Cornix - 2011-05-19 17:20

      Ricky, we have freedom to vote for whoever we want in SA. What's the point of having all the different parties then? Should we all just vote ANC? What's the point of democracy then? Now that the DA is doing so well, suddenly we get all kinds of threats from ANC supporters. Are you acting like a bad loser or is it fear maybe? Get a life!

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 17:58

      @Ricky 2 of my worker (Black Gentleman's) had vote DA And now - the skin looks also black again. They told me - the future will be better with DA

  • Matt - 2011-05-19 16:11

    How did ANC win Beaufort West?! The ward with loads of corruption (remember Truman Prince...) which coincidentally was ANC... shame, it's such a lovely town but all you ever see there is dark people begging for money, food and stompies. Who evidently all voted ANC

      Matt - 2011-05-19 16:14

      And of course the News24.com map shows the DA winning Beaufort West... SHAME ON YOU NEWS24!!! We are relying on you for PROPER info!

      Shistirrer - 2011-05-19 16:31

      Looks like it could have gone either way. The ANC took one ward by 6 votes, another one by 12. Shows you what apathy can do - damn! Now we'll have to build the border post to the Republic of Good Hope at Leeu-Gamka, not Colesberg.

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 16:32

      Sorry for my poor English (I'm German) Is there any side - i can read the results? News 24 is "years" behind SABC - side don't work Thanks for the answer. It's not allowed for me to vote - but I think the Victory of DA in Western Cape is good for this area. Have a nice day

      EDI2000 - 2011-05-19 16:49

      @Ralf you can get info at www.election.org.za official IEC website for most recient updates

      Vela Stardust - 2011-05-19 17:05

      Now we know in which towns the potholes will be.

      Daan - 2011-05-19 17:09

      @RAlf - go to http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Verkiesingskaart-Kry-regstreekse-uitslae-hier-20110518-2 You will find a map you can click on. All the info is there.

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 17:29

      @Edi 2000 Many thanks - early in the Afternoon the page don't work - but now If i read it right 969.000 had voted for the DA 633.600 or 72.63% Congratulations

  • John Bokyeni - 2011-05-19 16:11

    This should really be the case throughout the country. Unfortunately some still live in the stone age "not mentioning any names"!

      tryanything - 2011-05-19 17:44

      Under the stones

  • FRpower - 2011-05-19 16:12

    Good going DA well done so far.

  • regularguy - 2011-05-19 16:13

    Well just drive through Beaufort West and see what happened to a town run by the ANC The poor people of B West was clearly not poor enough and was obviously taken for another ride for the next few years.

  • HopefulXpat - 2011-05-19 16:14

    Yes! This is just awesome! Madam Zille and tannie Patricia, now is the time to shine in the Western Cape. You have three years to make this the province every South African wants to live in. Get this right and we might be in for a pleasant surprise in 2014.

  • Johan - 2011-05-19 16:14

    YOU GO DA!!!! Now show all the people, all races, the reason we voted for you!!! Show the ANC that voting for the DA is vote well spent, and show the ANC how services should be delivered!!

      nn.prv - 2011-05-20 14:53

      with only ONE metro to take care of , Surely the DA would be useless if they fail to deliver.

  • matla - 2011-05-19 16:14

    Zuma must also fire maverick Manuel - he is responsible for these results and his article on Manyi was a calculated move to hand DA victory

      BigMoose - 2011-05-19 16:27

      Even Trevor doesn't want to live in an ANC municipality.

      Errol - 2011-05-19 16:29

      I suppose Zille paid Manuel - it was a conspiracy you see!!!

      Pocahontas - 2011-05-19 16:31

      oh the maverick...was is not Jimmy the @ssclown who motivated the cape coloureds not to vote for the ANC? Shame, its sad living in a delusional world.

      Mark Struwig - 2011-05-19 16:32

      And it worked

      Rob - 2011-05-19 16:32

      You are the most useless individual on this planet. Stop wasting our air.

      steynbeyers - 2011-05-19 16:55

      Jirre bru, ma djy IS gerook!!!

      Krolie - 2011-05-19 19:36

      @matla=Jy's definitief in die bol gepik!

      drystone - 2011-05-19 20:29

      matla, your kind dont belong in a country that is trying not to be racist. We all have our differences and ideologies, but try to accomodate one another. It's the only way forward. Have you tried to join el-queda, they must be looking for a new leader

  • Grey B - 2011-05-19 16:15

    Now DA, show them what you can do. Put action behind all those promises. You can do it.

  • BloodyAgent - 2011-05-19 16:18

    Move on to the black majority areas, and the anc will be right back in it :)

      sparkster - 2011-05-19 16:22

      Get out of CT you bloody agents. The ANC and its supporters are not welcome.OUT,OUT and go and live in your filthy corrupt JHB!

      Mark Struwig - 2011-05-19 16:33

      Doubt it because even the black majority areas in the Cape are starting to wake up to the fact at how much the ANC sucks

      Krolie - 2011-05-19 19:38

      @BloodyAgent. Jy alweer? Doen iets positief. Loop suig jou dummy!

  • keithy - 2011-05-19 16:23

    And all you ANC supporters who have bussed in over the last few years, Go back to your municipalities that you have won and enjoy the empty spoils. Don't cry foul here and at the same time reap the benefits of a well run municipality. Well done DA!!

  • duan prins - 2011-05-19 16:24

    :) now i can enjoy an awesome local goverment till next time. hope you other cities come take a look at how awesome it can be when you are run by a dedicated team of leaders!

      AJacobs3 - 2011-05-19 16:31

      You could not have said it Better...

      Looter - 2011-05-19 16:36

      unfortunately, some of us have to live with the mistakes of others, just like all the crap we still have to deal with from the crazy bafoons(before 1994) that thought suppressing blacks was the right thing! They were monsters that thought other human beings were monsters, now we have to live with the consequences of people choosing a party from fear and faithfulness!

  • lance ANCY - 2011-05-19 16:28

    Oh my F*#cking word.....South Africa's serious entry into Illuminati control!!! The freemasons are sponsoring the DA...They control the DA! An example of the media manipulation around Zille is how she is being praised for her efforts for effectively tackling the “drug problem” in the Cape Town, by providing more rehabilitation facilities. For this, Zille was named International Mayor of the Year. What most people do not realise is that the new rehabilitation facilities were funded by the Freemasons, who answer to the Vatican. Now the Vatican also controls the international organised crime syndicates such as the Mafia Commission, who are the ones responsible for the drugs in the first place. For those like myself, who are students of political sciences, you may recognise the good old Hegelian Dialect of “Thesis plus Antithesis equals Synthesis”, which is also known to David Icke readers as “Problem, Reaction, Solution”. Thus, the Powers That Be create the problem, in this case drugs resulting in drug addiction, and then they offer the solution, being rehabilitation facilities. All this of course makes Helen Zille look great in the eyes of the voting public, but her efforts are nothing more than “papering over the cracks”, in an attempt to mask the bigger issues which are not being dealt with, i.e. a starving, uneducated, unemployed and disease ridden population. The complex web of illusion is contructed by the hidden hand behind world affairs in the calculated act of positioning Helen Zille in the public eye, in an appropriate manner to allow her to be elected to President. Much like her award for being International Mayor of the Year, Helen’s successes are being spun as part of an elaborate public relations campaign, in order to give South Africans the icon of False Hope, much like Mandela was. Besides having gained popularity and international praise by being played off as a martyr by the main stream media, the reality is that, Mandela did nothing but further enslave and impoverish his own people, as the Oppenheimers own more of South African after Mandela’s presidency, than they did before. The true seat of power and authority lays not in the political seat of power, but in it’s money. “Give me control of a countries money, and I care not who makes it’s laws” Amstel Mayor Rothschild – Knight of Malta and owner of the Bank of England There is no doubt in my mind from all the evidence and research I have done on Helen Zille, that she will be the New World Order’s unwitting puppet to keep South African’s distracted from the true controllers, impoverishers and enslavers of the people of Africa… … And if you think things are bad now, they are only going to get worse as South Africa becomes part of the global fascist state that is the New World Order. Are we going to live in a global facsist state?

      lance ANCY - 2011-05-19 16:29

      http://www.freedomcentral.info/

      Lucy_Fer - 2011-05-19 16:36

      Another "conspiracy theory" idiot.........

      Pocahontas - 2011-05-19 16:36

      dude, stay off the weed..its effing with your head!

      system.reset1 - 2011-05-19 16:45

      weed makes you paranoid dude. don't smoke that shit.

      Colourblind - 2011-05-19 16:46

      Obvious troll is obvious.

      BigMoose - 2011-05-19 16:46

      Another Dagga Party supporter.

      lance ANCY - 2011-05-19 16:47

      ja julle bokbloedsuipers...julle weet wat julle doen!!!

      Point Blank - 2011-05-19 16:48

      No this is not a pothead, this is a serious crackhead...

      LA14040 - 2011-05-19 16:53

      LOL!!! Someone's lost it!...

      Black24 - 2011-05-19 16:57

      LOL, you must be joking. In that case Zuma must be the Antichrist!

      lance ANCY - 2011-05-19 17:04

      The freemason movement was once independent but then the illuminati started using it to hide their cover. The top of the freemason structure is headed by the illuminati. If anything the freemasons are now a branch of the illuminati. The illuminati was created in ancient Babylon and his changed its name several times over the past few thousand years. It has also faked its death only to emerge by another name. Only whites are members of it with the exception of one chinese family Type Illuminati backwards and add .com……See who controls you!! Enjoy! :D

      Vela Stardust - 2011-05-19 17:12

      lance, get a life !

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-05-19 17:20

      LOL...takes you to the NSA. Nice....ya...not sure who controls my life...i work...go where i please. I get my rubbish taken away, have good roads, stable electricity, telephone line....oh wait....i have or get known of those. I do not care if it is Maffia co-lead by Joseph Stalin and Hitler..and the rubbish ends up at some satanic cult....i don't care...i just want good service delivery.

      likethelife - 2011-05-19 17:21

      @lance ANCY You are really a sad case and I simpathise with this country if you are going to an example of what is to be on offer in the future-shame on you!!!Clearly you are a student reading and following "spin doctor" doctrine and ideology designed to be used as scare tactics against an uneducated and un-assuming population. Oh and by the way the ANC needs no such "gobldygook" bull**1t you are pretending to exist. Their prodigal sons are doing it single handedly exemplified by the dispicable and unrepenting wastefull antics in compromised sexually fueled behavior. Is there no shame in "leaders" [claimed/so called] cavorting around eating sushi off naked womens bodies and drinking copious amounts of liquer etc etc...and the list goes on and on...your example of a solution. Would you like your Kids one day to aspire to this quagmire behavior-un-ashamed as it is - reality has not yet hit. ***hole

      Zion - 2011-05-19 17:33

      And Karl Marx translated the hegelian philosophy to suit his communist ends: Dialectics and materialism and historic materialism and all that bulldust which never worked anyway. It is Said in London where he is buried his grave is just another communist plot. That was a man with a f*cked up brain.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-05-19 17:33

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...please go to this link he added http://www.freedomcentral.info/. It is great. It confirms that Pik Botha and Julius Malema are "agents of distraction". It is a must read too funny.

      kingkong - 2011-05-19 17:40

      you made my day with the malema that came out your mouth

      GG69 - 2011-05-19 17:42

      The stuff he is on must be much stronger than just weed.

      maseratifitt - 2011-05-19 17:51

      There is only one solution for the problems facing our country, and that is EDUCATION. lance ANCY: Please enroll at your local primary school asap.

      Jean - 2011-05-19 18:13

      are you retarded dude tik is proudly South African and fyi

      Jean - 2011-05-19 18:14

      that NSA thing is actually kak scary dude wtf america has alot of free mason connections

      Krolie - 2011-05-19 20:00

      @Lance Ancy. And? You want us to believe that the "mighty" US ARE Illuminati? Wow, with all the resources you can possibly think of at their disposal, controlling the world, the universe, bla bla bla, AND the MIGHTY ILLUMINAT were only able to create their Intelligence website in 2009? Damn, and here I was getting all excited on your behalf! BS. Plain BS. Go play with your toys or join George with his dummy.

      Cire - 2011-05-20 12:58

      Hey Lance - have you ever considered visiting planet Earth?

      int1m1d4t0r - 2011-05-20 14:29

      Let me guess,... someone really special told you all of this while you were in one of those drug rehab centres. This is boring.. go give icke a blowy.

  • Jean - 2011-05-19 16:28

    just remember this the stronger the opposition the better the ANC will become its a fact from every part of life. if you are an employee and there is someone chasing your job you will fight hard to keep that Job that's why a opposition is required

      drystone - 2011-05-19 19:55

      Jean, at last, someone with their head facing the right way. Tell them!!

  • BigMoose - 2011-05-19 16:34

    The two oceans meeting at the southern-most point of Africa are the Indian Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, and will never be called the AN Sea.

  • LennyLong - 2011-05-19 16:35

    The DA has something like 80% of the vote in the Cape Metro, how can you call that a "close contest"?

  • Ceedee - 2011-05-19 16:51

    Fact of the matter: We are exZILLErated at the overall DA in in the Western Cape. At least they know how to govern. Show me someone in South Africa who doesn't want to live here.

      Daan - 2011-05-19 17:16

      Would love to live there, but would hate to shout for the Stormers!!!

      poenskop - 2011-05-20 12:06

      Jinne Daan I agree!!!! But then anything would be better than the 35years i have had to endure as a Lions supporter!!!!!

  • Ralf - 2011-05-19 16:57

    First - excuse my poor English (German) There are 1.750.000 Voters in Cape Town I read approx. 60% has voted is approx. 1.050.00 The map says - 724 510 are counted From this was 79.24% voted for DA = 574.100 People or 54.6% for the DA May be i'm wrong - but this is my interpretation about the datas I can find.

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 17:03

      I forgot a Nil = 1.050.000 (Voter)

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 17:35

      Datas are from http://www.elections.org.za If i read it right 969.000 had voted for the DA 633.600 or 72.63% Congratulations

  • Deborah - 2011-05-19 17:01

    Ricky Viljoen, this comment goes out to you. The true meaning of democracy means that we the people of South Africa can vote for the party deemed fit to do the job. Most ANC run municipality's are corrupt and are not doing their jobs, they are more interested in lining their own pockets with tax payers money. Catch a wake up!!!!

  • motsokwane - 2011-05-19 17:05

    Eat yourself da if that's make you feel better.

      Ralf - 2011-05-19 17:11

      ?? Cannibalism - ole!

      Pocahontas - 2011-05-19 17:16

      dude call julius and have a pity party, tell him the madame won WC again...

  • Marshall - 2011-05-19 17:34

    Malema and his comrades were the DA's top campaigners!! They motivated the mass of Cape Town to vote to ensure him and his ilk do not have much chance here. Screaming 'racist racist' was the best party song for the opposition. Thank you JuJu!

  • whatever - 2011-05-19 17:38

    "The ANC won an outright majority in Beaufort West, with seven out of 13 seats." What's so "Outright" about 7 out of 13? Sounds pretty close to me.

      bongodogdooda - 2011-05-19 18:30

      "outright" just means they don't need a coalition to govern.I agree,it sounds a lot better than it is.

  • SP - 2011-05-19 17:43

    I don't regret voting DA for a single second. It feels so good cause I feel my vote delivered a metaphorical kick to the corrupt ANC's face. Feel it, South Africa has had enough of the ANC's crap. Racism, threats, voter intimidation, superstitious rhetoric. My my how the oppressed have become the oppressors. Shameful!

      drystone - 2011-05-19 20:11

      Good point! And we talk about the Mogabe regime!They oppressing their own kind, but blindly, they still support them. Once they wake up to the fact that economics is what counts, not colour, maybe then, they will change their vote. But no need, they will probably only strike and demand, degrading the economy even further

  • Kevin - 2011-05-19 21:25

    Where the DA has won they have talked the talk, now they have to walk the walk. They will have to avoid wasting ratepayers money, and deliver services to all. They will need to make the municipalities more efficient. They will need to avoid the politics of corruption and nepotism, if they can do that this election will be the stepping stone to much bigger things.

  • Cire - 2011-05-20 12:57

    Well done DA! The logjam is beginning to break up. DA is now the only non-racial party in the country.

  • Godzille - 2011-05-20 13:23

    U know what you DA idiots. .r the one who made me have this account. .have anyone of you been to HG Jooste Hospital? no Beds & patience sleep on chairs, I think not because you are not Africans/black & not staying in Township, do you know how the bucket toilet looks like? smells like? yet Zille & the DA goes around telling people how good their government in the Western Cape is.

      int1m1d4t0r - 2011-05-20 14:25

      Why don't you bitch to the National Health Department as to why they have not budgeted for improvement of such hospitals. You are lame with your 1-sided attack on the DA.. The ANC had the Western Cape before the DA, and they f'ed it up... the DA has had to fix thing prior to getting on with making things better... What difference have you made Godzille? or do you stand with your hand out? How many community projects are you involved in??? Stop moaning.

      Watcher - 2011-05-20 14:50

      It's simple, Godzille. At local elections people vote for those who deliver. Look at Western Cape services and then think about the swing to DA again.

      nn.prv - 2011-05-20 14:57

      Amen to that. Reality bites 1

  • jason - 2011-05-20 15:37

    What I try to understand is you do street protests for the goverments poor services and yet you vote for them again. How does that work.

      maseratifitt - 2011-05-20 16:21

      I had to smile when someone on TV said they want the potholes fixed in Mthatha. That is why they voted for the ANC. But let's hand it to the ANC. They do create a lot of jobs, by not doing their own.

  • No8 - 2011-05-20 16:24

    Open your eyes and see why it is so difficult to provide housing to all in the Western Cape. People from the ANC controlled Eastern Cape are streaming in faster to the DA controlled Western Cape than any reasonable person can build houses. If the ANC is so good as they say why would they want to leave their land of milk and honey to move to racist WC?

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