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FF Plus: DA takes down Verwoerd bust

2011-05-05 10:14

Johannesburg - The Democratic Alliance removed a statue of the architect of apartheid, Hendrik Verwoerd, in Midvaal, south of Gauteng, on Wednesday night, the FF Plus claimed on Thursday morning.

"This action by the DA was calculated and happened at night, two weeks before the local government elections, to win over black votes in Midvaal," said Freedom Front Plus Gauteng leader Jaco Mulder in a statement.

"But the DA will have to explain this step to the mainly Afrikaner community of Midvaal, with whose mandate it runs the municipality."

This showed that the Democratic Alliance "was no friend of the Afrikaner", he added.

"The FF Plus condemns this step because Dr Verwoerd was born in Heidelberg and had a historical connection with Meyerton [a town in the Midvaal municipality] and this step by the DA shows disrespect for a piece of the town's heritage."

ANC criticises bust

The ANC on Wednesday criticised the continued "hoisting high" of Verwoerd's bust in the DA-run Midvaal municipality as a "display of sheer arrogance".

"[This] is yet another confirmation that the DA shares apartheid sentiments and philosophies, which for years racially polarised the South African society... ," spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

The Sowetan on Tuesday quoted Mayor Timothy Nast saying that people would be "very angry" if the money were to be spent on removing the bust from outside the municipal buildings in Meyerton, instead of on improved services.

"Mr Nast's insensitive comment... remains an insult to millions of South Africans who were on the receiving end of apartheid," Mthembu charged.

Comments
  • RVQ - 2011-05-05 10:18

    Doomed if you do, doomed if you don't, politics :(

      Larissa - 2011-05-05 11:09

      What Is Politics? A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?" Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me capitalism. Your Mom, she's the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the people. The nanny, we'll consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we'll call him the Future. Now, think about that and see if that makes sense," So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what dad had said. Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now." The father says, "Good son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about." The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep poo."

      inyaniso@24.com - 2011-05-05 15:04

      And yet Mthembu will be the first to say that the 'kill the boer' song is still relevant. Beyond irony. At least the right thing was done, whether Jaco Mulder wants to shout about it or not. You cannot have unity within our nation if we are not looking to include every person.

      Warren - 2011-05-05 16:52

      Wait a minute, some drunkard from the ANC moans about something that offends him & everyone jumps to accomodate him. However, I moan to him about a song that offends me... & he tells me to go f#*k myself. Is it just me or is something not right here???

      Krush - 2011-05-06 14:58

      Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you'll live... at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin' to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they'll never take... OUR FREEDOM!

  • Shai-hulud - 2011-05-05 10:21

    Taking the statue down is surely the best course of action. Having a statue of Verwoerd is of no benefit to anybody. A relic of the past that is perhaps best forgotten. But Jackson Mthembu is one idiot who should rather keep is arrogant, stupid mouth shut.

      Larissa - 2011-05-05 11:06

      I think it's a smart move, DA takes down Verwoerd, - ANC stop singing 'Kill the Boer'. It's just will show to the Black DA voters, that the past is the past, and everybody must start thinking about the present and the future of SA!!!

      Guy Snelling - 2011-05-05 11:20

      It's strange, we still have a "Hendrik Verwoerd Drive" in Centurion. I wonder when that's going to get a name change. I guess next week if the ANC want the Centurion vote, or only after the election if the DA want it.

      SaintBruce - 2011-05-05 14:46

      How long has the statue / bust been there anyway? It's like Paul Kruger who has a staute to commerorate his stand against the British colonialists ( who were quite ruthless in their queat for wealth for the Crown wherever they went - US, India, Canada, Rhodesia, RSA), so he has a valid place in this country's history - right?

      Point Blank - 2011-05-05 15:22

      Jackson Mthembu? Isn't he the one who got caught for drunken driving??

      Raymond - 2011-05-05 21:37

      I agree with you.As I always say,and especially to people like Jackson,'He has a bad dose of verbal Diarrhoea'

      Roland Slater - 2011-05-07 00:18

      As an Historian and History teacher I am never for 'erasing' our history (and that includes everyone's history), but I don't see a place for Verwoerd as a public figure (relic), He is not Louis Botha, JC Smuts or any of the Generals. He supported, and actively endorsed racial supremacy when the rest of the world had abandoned it all. He was a tough cookie, who swam upstream like a salmon. There is a distinction, between the likes of Botha, Smuts, Hertzog and even Malan, and those who came later, in a changing world, but decided that this country's path should take the opposite route. So ja, cheers Hendrik...off toe Boerassic Park.

  • iamasouthafr - 2011-05-05 10:23

    Who are the FFplus?

      Ben - 2011-05-05 10:43

      The NP without the black thickrimmed glasses.

      Pieter Wolf - 2011-05-05 10:43

      Afilliate of the ANC

      IandI - 2011-05-05 10:54

      also known as the eff..eff plus:-)

      Wezz - 2011-05-05 11:32

      Spot the FF+ voter.

      Chris - 2011-05-05 13:15

      They are the oke's with the same colour posters as their masters the ANC. A retro thinking organization that have not realized , sorry some have, that Afrikaner rule only lasted until 1976.

      iamasouthafr - 2011-05-05 14:01

      Ok so - who is the FFplus :)

  • Hendrik - 2011-05-05 10:27

    oi, wat maak julle met my statue :)

      Stox - 2011-05-05 10:43

      Lol.

      rianadk - 2011-05-05 11:07

      @ The All Seeing Eye...It's a joke! Gettit?

      Mystic Boer - 2011-05-05 12:31

      Classic!

  • Spoofed - 2011-05-05 10:28

    Next step the ANC will erect a statue of Julius Malema.. watch this space =(

      Creeky - 2011-05-05 12:02

      Sorry bru... there is NO PLACE to erect a GIANT DICK!

      simodi - 2011-05-05 12:12

      that will be a gud move

      Point Blank - 2011-05-05 12:13

      Yes and it will be of a dung bettle pushing a big ball of crap.

      Jan - 2011-05-05 12:34

      They should use the picture of him gorging in that piece of cake to create his statue....

      Snoopy88 - 2011-05-05 14:12

      that's going to be expensive... the Jelly Tsotsi is rather... rotund!

  • chris.debeer1 - 2011-05-05 10:29

    Dr. Verwoerd Said one man one vote would lead to Domination of one group over the other. Thus destroying one groups culture, heritage and future. Was he a ' Siener'???

      GT - 2011-05-05 11:33

      SO he put whites in charge. Thank you Vaal Donkie, you have just shown your hand

      theo_dore - 2011-05-05 12:17

      @Vaal Donkie. I am intrigued by your reasoning. He did have one race rule the other. But because the race he chose happens to be yours (and mine) you think it was fair. Have you ever even tried to imagine what it would have been like to live on the other side of apartheid? Or are you to blinded by years of brainwashing by Verwoerd and his successors?

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 12:21

      And still the irony is lost on Vaal Donkie. One group dominating over another so that one group doesn't end up dominating over another. Or are you arguing that whites did not dominate during apartheid?

      White Oak - 2011-05-05 12:30

      VaalDonkie - you are wasting your time with these bloggers. Verwoerd was probably the best PM this country ever had and that is why he was murdered by people with very much the same mindset as the majority of posters here. Like Jesus said...forgive them for they know not what they do.

      Black Sense - 2011-05-05 12:32

      Autonomous Homelands run by BOSS, CCB, NIS and Special Branch. Load of Crock. Verwoerd was a white Supremecist racist. Intelligent and well read yeah. But nothing more than a refined version of the Klu Klux Klan. Support him and complain no more about Malema.

      Jonathan - 2011-05-05 12:35

      @ Vaaldonkie... The autonomous homelands that recived their ficus from the South African Government. The same homelands that because Verwoerd was such a nice guy reserved 13% of the land surface area for 80% of the population. The same homelands that have resulted in massive rural underdevlopment in these areas and a backlog of service infrastructure needing to be delivered. 17 years later and you still buy that Aparthied propaganda hogwash! Is the old flag hanging next to your swastika perhaps????

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-05 13:25

      @Jonathan. Ever heard of the Lagden Commission of 1903 and the Native Land Act of 1913? May help you to know how and where that land distribution came about. Little before Verwoerd's time.

      cerveza - 2011-05-05 13:27

      @chris - no he was not a siener, he was simple repeating what the english said in the cape more than a hundred years before he was born, when one man (no women) one vote resulted in the afrikaner outvoting the english, who owned the vast majority of the economy at that time

      Sporter - 2011-05-06 10:32

      @ Theo-dore we are living on the other side of apartheid now loser. The roles have just been reversed. So which option is the "right" option

  • sessisie - 2011-05-05 10:30

    "The FF Plus condemns this step because Dr Verwoerd was born in Heidelberg and had a historical connection with Meyerton..." Was born in Heidelberg? No man, he was born in Amsterdam in the Netherlands!

      Hendrik Botha - 2011-05-05 10:57

      Dead right. He wasn't even a real south african and they lived in Zimbabwe, something in the water Verwoerd Mugabe.

      cerveza - 2011-05-05 13:32

      @Vaal Donkie - I don't know, please tell, but I would guess it was named after a city in Germany, why or when or by whom I don't know

  • Steen - 2011-05-05 10:38

    Who cares, the masses wont be fooled by this move.

      Jakkals - 2011-05-05 11:36

      they are fooled by yellow t-shirts

      Blip - 2011-05-07 03:00

      That's why "the masses" will never rise to being anything better than just "the masses".

  • daaivark - 2011-05-05 10:39

    So they took down a statue of a guy who did more damage to this country than anyone before or since. What's the big deal?

      Factual Fred - 2011-05-05 10:43

      I agree. He was born in Holland and should have stayed there.

      Pmk901 - 2011-05-05 10:44

      Please go educate yourself.

      chris.debeer1 - 2011-05-05 10:47

      As bollie praat Krag was Het Eskom nie vandag 'n probleem gehad. Your comment shows a total lack of knowlage of South African history!!

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-05-05 10:57

      What about shaka zulu. Killed more people in our known history. We should take down his statues.

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 11:45

      DV is right - if verwoerd didnt entrench apartheid like he did - would the anc be in the same position it is now? It is because of verwoeds apartheid that we are in the mess we are now!

      daaivark - 2011-05-05 13:12

      @ the blind eye: I was talking of damage to the country, not the body count of a military dictator from 200 odd years ago. Get perspective.

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-05 13:34

      Singlehanded? Obviously in league with the likes of Napoleon, Bismarck or Charlemange then?

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 14:56

      WH Kotze: Wow so bismark, charlemagne and napolean all invaded THIS COUNTRY. Thnx for the history lesson!

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-05 15:25

      Oh F*ck... NOOOOOOOO

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-05 17:20

      @Styvies, 2010 matriculant, are you?

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 19:19

      Oh no, your scathing insight into my educational history has really learnt me my lesson! How dare i venture a sarcastic riposte to your amazing enlightenment that the Big BCN helped the "guy who did more damage to THIS country than anyone before or since"?! RTFComment

  • Ross - 2011-05-05 10:40

    Now for all the other statues e.g. Jan van Riebeeck, Queen Victoria, Boer Generals, Paul Kruger, Cecil John Rhodes, Dick King. Thereafter history pertaining to this period will be wiped out. Also we must not forget to demolish the Voortrekker monument and the Afrikaner Womens Monument in Bloemfontein.

      flamewulf - 2011-05-05 10:47

      alarmist claptrap.

      63Starlight - 2011-05-05 11:05

      Hey, hey!!! Don't give them ideas. Its bad enough that we no longer celebrate our heritage. I miss the volkspele, van Ribeeck's Day, Paul Kruger day and the battle of blood river day..... (sigh!)

      Dewald - 2011-05-05 14:44

      Let us take all the monuments down! Also all the universities, roads, government buildings, schools, hospitals, canal systems, dams, houses, farms etc that the bloody Apartheid government left behind. Nothing must stay to remember us of what they did to this country. Take it all down! Down with the bloody agents and their white man tendencies! Grass and sand tastes allright once you get 'used' to it. Really!

  • AJ - 2011-05-05 10:41

    It shows that we are no fan of Verwoerd as a person. And we are right to hold that view. It has nothing to do with Afrikaners. And if they are pissed off what are they going to do, not vote DA and rather live under ANC? Please.....

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-05 13:38

      Is there a difference?

      Blip - 2011-05-07 03:02

      There is a vast difference, Kotze. (By the way, your surname sounds like "vomiter".)

  • MK007 - 2011-05-05 10:43

    this is good news

  • Silk24 - 2011-05-05 10:46

    knock yourselves out

  • CorbZA - 2011-05-05 10:48

    The Germans don't have any busts of Hitler around and it seems to be working out for them... And yes, I did compare the two, because anyone who refers to Apartheid as "a system of good neighbourlyness" is a terrible, terrible person. And the Afrikaner population would be wise to distance themselves from him.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 11:32

      Wow, your insight is astounding.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:12

      Also have a look to the service offerings of the BMF: http://www.bmfonline.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=56 A white laaitie has no chance what so ever!!

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:14

      Shit sorry, wrong discussion!!

  • Awol - 2011-05-05 10:49

    What else than fishing for votes is this by the FF PLUS (OR MINUS in my books)? What the DA have at heart is good service delivery and nothing else. If the FF says that the DA does not have the interests of afrikaner people at heart, what leads to the FF assuming the DA has black people or english people's interests at heart. The DA worries about service delivery, nothing else. in their eyes all are equal. So, FF-PLUS, stop fishing for votes in an area that is well run and well maintained, dont try and fix something that is not broken. You are making me as a very proud afrikaner put my head down in shame at these ill thought tactics. Sies man, weet jou ma wat jy doen?

      Kgomotso - 2011-05-05 12:14

      If DA had service delivery in mind they would not have waited until 13days before election day to remove the statue. It is a strategy only the blind will fall for it. They have votes in mind.

      Educated - 2011-05-05 13:19

      Actually Kgomotso, it was the anc that waited until 13 days before the election to bring the issue to light. The DA merely responded to their childish behaviour by removing the statue.

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-05 13:51

      So it's OK to be a white supremacist as long as you do it on the sly? Explains your political preference, but it does not make for a "proud afrikaner".

  • For Good - 2011-05-05 10:50

    And everybody thought old "black-sash" lady Zille is for all people. All people who agree I think, not much different from the ANC in ideology on the end of it. Lesson from Russia, when the Communist took over, they destroyed everything remembered to culture, Cristianity, monarchie, freedom and so on and on and above all they killed many farmers, they made farming impossible. Did this lady HZ and JZ not have there lessons froms the old communist in Russia. In Russia, they have been lied to and became slaves to a ungodly system. Now under Putin and Mediviev finaly is coming some more freedom and order. Even the taksies are behaving very well ha ha. Its nice to be in a restaurant with kindred peopleand NO tips and good service.

      Together - 2011-05-05 10:58

      Actually, according to two seperate radio news reports this morning, it was a private organisation that came to retrieve their privately-owned statue from municipal property. And it didn't cost the local taxpayers ANYTHING - not one cent taken from service delivery, or put into the pockets of a local relative/buddy/personal accountant who would try to start a statue-removing company that could charge R5 million per statue removal.

  • Marshal - 2011-05-05 10:53

    Should have been removed along time ago. How can a people want to support a statue of a white supremacist.

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-05-05 10:55

      We should remove statues of Shaka Zulu then

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:01

      Fully agree with you, what counts for us counts for them, so kick down Shaka Zulu, on that point: Me and a few friends have started a sort of WMF: The White Magement Forum, for white businessmen and women only, following the clear disregard for white businessmen and women by the BMF, and I can tell you: business is a booming! It is so much fun taking black supremist policies and making money with it, it is overly satisfying!!

      EmptyCan - 2011-05-05 11:28

      @Awol, where can we sign up.....and my friend is starting up the White Lawyers Association to ensure continued growth and business seeing as though there is a Black Lawyers Association looking after their interests.

      Snoobab - 2011-05-05 11:35

      Awol......Do you realise that you don’t have to be black to be part of BMF. I am a management consultant and belong to the EC chapter of the BMF along with hundreds of other white. At work shops we discuss issues that will aid in driving entrepreneurship and creating jobs the province. Strategies implemented have had a massive positive impact on businesses owned by both blacks and whites. It’s not a race thing, nor is it a political one. To tell you the truth, my black colleagues, all professional and highly qualified are hugely opposed to the ANC

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:36

      WMFRSA@gmail.com Please send your details through as well as details of your White Lawyers Assocation, we are predominantly accountants but would be great to interact.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:44

      @Snoobab..I never said that the BMF is for blacks only..even though that is DEFINATELY the undertone. We have treid our best to work with them in finding common grounds to progress our business, create job oppertunities and uplift communities etc. but, alas, no progress and only personal interests at heart. We also realised that charity begins at home and ourselves as businessmen will have to look after our neighbours interests as black supremist policies are eating away at the well being of those people we consider close to our hearts.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:47

      @Snoobab...the BMF claims they are non-racial..please go have a look at the composition of the Board of Directors, surely the top structure of an organsisation should reflect that it is truely non-racial? Your argument I am sad to say is in the water!! Here is the link for other uninformed forum users: http://www.bmfonline.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=58

      Snoobab - 2011-05-05 12:01

      awol..You are right, the board is made up of almost 100 % black members. Have a look at this article. http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Financial-Services/Accountanting-firms-must-get-black-owners-20110505. it is a trend that will be here for the foreseeable future and by the looks of things be implemented more aggressively over time. For the uninformed forum user, quoted out of the BMF mission statement. ” The BMF is a non- racial, thought leadership organisation founded in 1976, with the main purpose of influencing socio-economic transformation of our country.....” I’m afraid the argument is nowhere near the water’s edge. To avoid public embarrassment, please refrain from commenting

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:11

      @Snoobab: You silly willy, you only copied a little piece from the website, naughty naughty boy. Dear users, please find the FULL background of the BMF: The background of the BMF, as copied from their website..development of primarily black people...ignorance is bliss!! I can CONFIDENTLY say, your arguments have now officialy drowned, but please do defend, the BMF have been a study for me for the past year or so, so I am confident I have answers. BACKGROUND The BMF is a non- racial, thought leadership organisation founded in 1976, with the main purpose of influencing socio-economic transformation of our country, in pursuit of socio-economic justice, fairness and equity. The BMF continues to be vocal on these aforementioned matters and has been keeping Corporate South Africa in check and encouraging participation of the broader South African stakeholders. The organisation stands for the development and empowerment of managerial leadership primarily amongst black people within organisations and the creation of managerial structures and processes, which reflect the demographics, and values of the wider society. Whereas the BMF is not apolitical, but is non-partisan. The BMF is however not neutral on matters of transformation- We are pro-transformation.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:15

      Also have a look to the service offerings of the BMF: http://www.bmfonline.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=53&Itemid=56 A white laaitie has no chance what so ever!!

      Kgomotso - 2011-05-05 12:28

      Awol i sympathise with you. Whites do not have money they have debts and artificial wealth. When recession kicked in SundayTimes published an article of whose houses, cars are repossessed most. Who owes banks most and interestingly 80% of the debt is on White people. Hopefully your target market is 100% white and let see if your business will thrive

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:33

      @Kgomotso: Now why does Vavi, Juju and cronies or is it hyienas? want to get rid of the rich white people I wonder.... Yes its true that a lot of white people have debt, without earnings you can make debt, as simple as that. Its an easy calculation, if white people have the most debt, then who must be the ones earning the most? mmmmm I wonder.... Yes our target market is 100% white 100%, lets see? my fellow citizen, we will not see we already saw, and we like what we saw...

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:34

      sorry...CANT make debt without earnings...

      Snoobab - 2011-05-05 12:41

      Kgmotso.... I think you are not quite with it. Why are you trying to stir things up by arguing off the topic? Do you realise that you need money to make money. Its called leveraging. Most self made billionaires have been in the red at some stage, Donald Trump still owes the banks millions of dollars whist Richard Brandson had to take out a loan to start his record label and not look at what he has accumulated. Blacks invests in appearances of wealth (cars, lacoste shirts ect) while whites invest in vehicles that create wealth ( property, shares ect). Investors were nailed during the recession have made a killing over the past year in equities riding the economic upswing

      Heliac - 2011-05-05 13:04

      @Kgomotso: That was an extremely stupid comment. Do you know what cherry picking is? Here is an extract from Wikipedia: "The term is based on the perceived process of harvesting fruit, such as cherries. The picker would be expected to only select the ripest and healthiest fruits. An observer who only sees the selected fruit may thus wrongly conclude that most, or even all, of the fruit is in such good condition." - Nuff said, think about it.

      Awol - 2011-05-06 08:38

      @BonecollectR: It is possible that it stands for that..just spoke to them and they are in need of a new president. They said you are the perfect candidate and have all the attributes to lead their organisation.

  • AA - 2011-05-05 10:54

    One less vote for the DA. I do have a voice!!

      daaivark - 2011-05-05 10:59

      I'm sure they are devastated.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:02

      One less idiot we have to worry about being part of our party...

      Kevin King - 2011-05-05 11:15

      The average IQ of DA supporters may just have increased.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:24

      haha Kevin King, brilliant!!

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 11:34

      Be careful. The Afrikaner's average IQ is higher than the rest of the popultion. But don't take my word for it, do your own research.

      Freddie - 2011-05-05 11:48

      A lost voice in the wilderness...

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 13:24

      Good, the more bigots stop supporting the DA the better chance it has of convincing people that it's not a party of bigots. Good riddance.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 14:05

      Ifthe DA is not the party for Afrikaners, then they can't claim to be the party for everyone. Or are you contentding that we are not human beings?

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 15:23

      Are you saying Afrikaners are all bigots?

      EmptyCan - 2011-05-06 09:15

      @Theblindeye.....yet the Afrikaner IQ is still above the indegenous "African" IQ, so your point is??????

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-06 09:46

      Let's put our cards on the table. Mine is 140. I belong to Mensa. haal uit en wys pappie.

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-05-06 09:47

      Well read Vaal Donkie original comment Afrikaner IQ is higher then the rest of the population. If the english have a higher IQ he's statement is already proven wrong and thus your statement is irrevelant. I haven't even taken the chinese IQ into account into this argument since they are significant amount of them now.

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-05-06 10:52

      @Vaal Donkie Would you like to compare Penis size next? Haal uit Pappie!!!!!!!!!!!! But someone with an IQ 140 you seem battle to understand the concept of averages or in this case gaussian distribution.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-07 16:13

      How does the gaussian distribution invalidate my IQ score? It's easy to act smart by throwing other people's work around, but you reveal your own intellectual poverty when you demonstrate that you have no idea what it is you are saying. Before the best and brightest Afrikaners left SA, our average IQ was around 110, according to the official who tested us in primary school. In the same period, the english IQ was around 105. It is only recently that the tables have turned. But that is entirely understandable if yo consider that we continually lose a large number of our smartest people to other countries. But if I'm wrong about the numbers, then so be it.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-05-05 10:55

    More South African history in it's moer. When will people stop trying to eliminate SA's old history? Yes, he was part of Apartheid, but it is part out this country's history. We cannot hide from that, and eliminating all traces of it, will not make it non existent. Our history is our history. Leave it as such and learn from it instead of hiding it.

      AntiTroll - 2011-05-05 11:10

      so why not put the bust in a museum?

      Stevie - 2011-05-05 11:11

      Because our current administration has not a single ounce of tolerance to it. It is, and will be as long as the ANC is in power, about imperialistic domination.

      Benny66 - 2011-05-05 11:12

      The first sensible comment! You cannot change or delete history. But you can choose not to repeat history. So, I agree, leave it and all other statues in place so that we remember where we came from and go forward in the knowledge that we do not want to repeat this aspect of our past - ANC take note!!

      Bla Bla - 2011-05-05 11:49

      Gaan sit die "bust" in n museum waar skole dit kan gaan besoek, en meer van ons geskiedenis in opvoedkundige manier kan leer. Daar waar hy nou was het niemand n hel om gegee nie.

      Stevie - 2011-05-05 16:24

      @BoneCollectR: If the blacks were suffering SO much under apartheid, why didn't they openly revolt in 1949?

  • kagisopheto - 2011-05-05 10:56

    anc claims that if the statue is left there it is a smbol of DA racism. FF plus claims that taking down the statue means that the DA is not friend of the afrikaner grow up stupid clowns! a pity people use this to promote their own parties instead of using facts like track record etc.. my bias - im all for the DA

      OuWitBooi - 2011-05-05 11:12

      Absolutely right. The ANC managed this area from 1994 till 2000 and they never removed the statue. Now they want to make an issue of it. And then the FF+ want to jump on the bandwagon. But I agree that having Verwoerd statues around is the same sort of thing as JuJu singing "Shoot the boer". Out of respect for each other we should all refrain from these things that antagonise others.

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 11:57

      Youre dead right - nothing the DA will ever be good enough for some ppl....

      mfaniseni.thusi - 2013-02-01 22:30

      grow up stupid clowns! a pity people use this to promote their own parties instead of using facts like track record etc.. You are the worst clown, go back to your parents they did not teach you well.

  • estee.mente - 2011-05-05 10:56

    a bust?

      AntiTroll - 2011-05-05 11:08

      bust: a sculptured, painted, drawn, or engraved representation of the upper part of the human figure, especially a portrait sculpture showing only the head and shoulders of the subject.

  • Sho Fukamachi - 2011-05-05 10:57

    Can't wait when the ANC crumbles in on itself and burns to the ground.

  • Antianc - 2011-05-05 10:59

    When the ANC was in power in Midvaal, why didn't they remove the statue? They are getting desperate, f-cking idiots

      Awol - 2011-05-05 11:05

      Spot on, burn baby burn...the ANC says they will rule until Jesus comes? Well, haha, then Jesus is coming pretty soon!!

      Kgomotso - 2011-05-05 13:23

      Is swearing all you can teach your children and contribute to the society. Moron

      mfaniseni.thusi - 2013-02-01 22:28

      Shame on you, you suck

  • Bla Bla - 2011-05-05 11:03

    No Jackson they don’t, but your ANC is the leaders in creating n polarized population. For the DA, go and place the statue of Verwoerd in a museum, where he belong (the past). Please do this in a respectful manner, just to show SA if you don’t agree with someone it doesn’t give you the right to go barbaric. For the FFplus go and change you name to FF negative

      mfaniseni.thusi - 2013-02-01 22:33

      You sound just like your name Bla Bla Bla, surprisingly you have ma team blablablablas..

  • yebocan - 2011-05-05 11:06

    ANC = Aanmaak drink

  • brianR - 2011-05-05 11:11

    guess you're damned if you do and damned if you dont

  • Freddie - 2011-05-05 11:12

    Ironically the NP is now incorporated in the ANC and the FF Plus is part of the ANC cabinet, the architects and defenders of apartheid both part of the ANC. Yet the very same ANC accuses the DA of apartheid activities. They should take a long hard look in the mirror. The only independent, non racist, truly opposition party is the DA.

      Freddie - 2011-05-05 11:58

      @Vaal Donkie... how about the only non-racist party in the country for one? They are the only party that can move South Africa forward and out of the current racial quagmire. As far as your irrelevant comments on IQ and qualifications goes, I am also highly qualified and deal with many PhD's, MSc's and MBA's on a daily basis, believe me some of them are pretty thick as well. IQ is nothing without EQ.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:04

      @Vaal Donkie: Really? Wow!! Funny that the FF+ with their PHD's and what not can still not mast what the DA has done: Actually growing in numbers, actually making a difference in people's lives and actually attaining much more than any party purely because they care about the well being of the people in this country. The FF+ must ask for their money back and burn their degrees or they skipped classes a few times as they clearly do not know how to run a proper organisation that can actually have a difference directly on communities and not just worrying about their own. On what the DA stands for? Its simple, SERVICE DELIVERY FOR ALL!!! And once they have the powers the ANC have, they will and can concentrate on other less important cultural matters and influencing this positively. If you think about it, without any fancy degree or PHD or what not, the DA actually took a needle and is pressing it slowly through the heart of the ANC, being service delivery. So, the FF+ with all their fancy qualifications could not mast this.

      Awol - 2011-05-05 12:36

      Vaal donkie... jy lees half pad... Nou drink jou rittelin, sit mooi stil en lees weer wat die oom gese het. Okey?

      Awol - 2011-05-05 13:17

      It is inherently true that all parties have service delivery in mind, only difference is only one party have proof that they deliver. This is proof that Vaal Donkie has never in his life read the mandate of any party for that matter. Go jump on the DA and ANC website and read their mandates. Vaal donkie's one liner answers is probably funny to him....ignorance is bliss

      Awol - 2011-05-05 13:41

      Moet liewer nie comment as jy regtig niks het hom te se nie. Tipies afrikaner, ondermyn alles wat hy nie gewoond aan is nie.

      Freddie - 2011-05-05 13:49

      Vaal Donkie = Troll. Do not waste your time feeding him, rational thought is beyond his abilities.

      Freddie - 2011-05-05 13:56

      Troll... I can also reply with meaningless inane one liners. Question was answered long ago numerous times.

      Freddie - 2011-05-05 14:13

      Awol, you are correct. Not worth wasting time and effort on closed minds with mental blocks. A true unconscious incompetent, could actually be an ANC supporter.

      ou_maatie - 2011-05-07 05:21

      In its quest for power, the DA is already compromising on its principles. I live in Cape Town and I actively campaigned for them in the last election. Now I am bitterly disappointed. The way they do things are very similar to the ANC and their application of Affirmative Action is even worse than the ANC. My local DA councillor could not give me satisfactory answers as to how my family is better off under DA rule other than the corruption issue. Most of us fail to see that the DA is quickly becoming another ANC. First will come racist policy implementation where useless people are put into positions of power (currently WP) and secondly corruption and thirdly lack of service delivery.

  • GH - 2011-05-05 11:14

    When my two children (read anc & ff) are both arguing they have been hard done by, then I know things are probably pretty fair. Grow up and look at the facts. FACT: More & better services to the community get delivered by the DA than any other party.

  • windkind - 2011-05-05 11:19

    Who give a rat's ass if they took it down. It should've been done 16 years ago already. Who the hell is proud of Verwoerd? If you are, there's something seriously wrong with you. I am an Afrikaner and I certainly don't want the FF+ speaking on my behalf. They are relics, just like Verwoerd.

      Born To Fish - 2011-05-05 11:27

      Precisely!

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 11:38

      I am proud of verwoerd's vision. He was the most brilliant leader Africa has ever had.

      Judicator Enclave - 2011-05-05 12:09

      windkind, as Verwoerd nooit die land 'n republiek gemaak het nie, sou ons land nog onder engelse beheer gewees het...watter ander Afrika land was ook tot baie onlangs onder engelse beheer en het toe helemal in duie gestort? Kan dit dalk Zimbabwe wees? Dis maklik om nou Verwoerd te kritiseer, maar jy ignoreer helemal die konteks van sy tyd. In daai selfde tyd, moes die helfte van die 'National Gaurd' in die VSA ontplooi word om een Swart Student by 'n universiteit te registreer. Ek se nie jy moet 'n Verwoerd aanhanger wees nie, maar hy het 'n onmiskenbare rol in ons land se geskiedenis gespeel. Te danke aan hom het ons die eerste stappe na onafhanklikheid van Engelse Kolonialisme af geneem sedert die Anglo-Boere oorlog. Dit is 'n deel van die geskiedenis van ons land wat nooit sal kan vernader word nie. N.s. Apartheid se fondamente is gesetel in die beleide van Kolonialisme. Doen biejtie navorsing. Kennis is mag

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 12:19

      Verwoerd is not one tenth the leader Smuts was.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:40

      I hope you're referring to Jan Smuts, and not Smuts Ngnonyama (^_^)

      EmptyCan - 2011-05-05 13:08

      Kak man, Andries Pretorius was the man,....and you know why?

      Styvies - 2011-05-05 13:27

      You can relax VD i was ;) - forgot about ol Ngnon.. mgnonyanam... that dude...

      cerveza - 2011-05-05 14:04

      @Judicator - was the Afrikaner not all ready in political control before Verwoerd? Or did he singlehandedly come and free us from the evil english? and when did the ANC turn to violence, before or after Verwoerd's vision? The time he came into power many people were calling for a different vision, but he chose one race above another, survival by oppression, even though many of that race asked him not to do it. He ignored his own people as his vision was more important, typical dictator syndrome

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 14:07

      No hard feelings chomma. I was just making sure ;)

  • Born To Fish - 2011-05-05 11:25

    Amazing! That the DA share racial policies when the ANC is implementing laws to oppress the minorities! WTF?

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 11:39

      They are just a more efficient version of the ANC.

      Maddox - 2011-05-05 20:12

      @Vaal Donkie, Da is actually ANC lite version

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-06 09:47

      No, they're ANC Turbo.

      Blip - 2011-05-07 03:08

      The DA are -- at least -- NOT sitting around the Zuma regime's cabinet table. They're GENUINELY an authentic opposition party.

  • Wezz - 2011-05-05 11:30

    @Thandiwe83 - Well said.

  • GT - 2011-05-05 11:30

    This statement shows more about teh FF than the DA. What good do afrikaaners see in Verwoed. Please explain.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:25

      Freedom from colonialism for one. Being the father of our republic for another.

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-05-05 13:45

      @Vaal Donkie, sounds just like Mugabe for Zimbabweans

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 13:54

      Nope. That would be Ian Smith. Can't you form a proper simile?

  • Dennis - 2011-05-05 11:32

    I fully support the DA's decision to remove the statue. It highlights the DA's stance as a multi-racial party that is primarily concerned with service delivery and unifying races in SA. The FF+ is fundamentally the flip image of the ANC. Enough already with the race card- lets just join the DA, compromise a little (remove a statue of the founder of Apartheid) and focus on winning municipalities and fixing this country!

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:25

      How is this related to service delivery?

  • Ruffstuff - 2011-05-05 11:32

    17 years in the coming - Verwoerd did this country and its people disfavour - we should have abolished apartheid a long time. Then we would not have a Political party like the ANC that is ruining this lovely country. They are the same as Verwoerd - Racist against all citizens. Now one more thing, what about John Vorster boulevard in Centurion Pretoria? There is another street name to be taken down and changed, because he also caused nausea in our country as well. FFplus leave your verkramte views to yourself and now go back to your kraal.

      gawie.botha - 2011-05-05 11:44

      Hey Rufstaff know your history! White man,Blackman born the same time.When whiteman docked his boat in Cape Town..first time for blackman to see the "Wheel"! Where were you guys al that time without APARTHEID..no wheel from your side!!!

      SSRat - 2011-05-05 12:39

      Hey Gawie, boats don't have wheels boet.

      Pmk901 - 2011-05-05 13:08

      Ruff, If apartheid/Verwoerd was abolished all that time ago what would the country look like? Angola? Zimbabwe? Read past the propaganda, and know your history.

      Ruffstuff - 2011-05-05 16:12

      I know my history and I am not referring to when Jan van Riebeeck landed here. When I say we should have abolished apartheid - my intentions are that we should have negotiated the abolishment early than 1994 - say around the 1980's at least all the South Africans would of had an equal chance of self improvement. One more thing to say to the ANC - they claim they one the struggle, when most white people voted YES for change, and it took place then - With the ANC they are still struggling.

      gawie.botha - 2011-05-06 11:04

      Hey! SSRat......stupid fool...........what about a steeringwheel on the boats,and the cannonwheels...........u take this as tobaco put it in your pipe smoke it and think about how stupid your and your friends remarks are! Why dont u just admit u hate the "palefaces"!

  • Mmoledi - 2011-05-05 11:36

    DA is no different with other parties who removed some statues around the country after being on power, they are all the same they are destroying South African history. Now because DA is in control of that municipality now they want to put their own statue there of their people that is the only reason they are wasting municipal money by removing that. For history to stay and coming generation to know and learn about the past those statues should remain where they are and not be removed.Mangope statues were removed and some around the country to name but one, so how will coming generation know that there was once a country within South Africa which was called Bophuthatsawana? history is gone political parties are destroying it.

      The LIon - 2011-05-05 13:13

      WAKE UP MMOLEDI , WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!

  • HAggardGnome - 2011-05-05 11:37

    Wake up Freedom Front! We definitely do not want busts of Verwoerd around anymore. Him and his kind are who originally created all the cr*p in the country. Remove them all! They are JUST as bad as Malema with his "Kill the Boer" song! Flip sides of the same coin!

      Partis - 2011-05-06 01:27

      With a little bit of patience, your dream will be realised. All the cr*p that Verwoerd and his kind created - road/rail/port infrastructure, electrical/water reticulation as well as educational institutions and medical facilities will - in time be removed as a result of the government preferred by yourselves and your kind

  • Broker - 2011-05-05 11:38

    It is just amazing how the ANC resort to petty politics when they know they can not find any service delivery issue to confront the DA with. Jackson Mthembu probably has a transport company that could benefit from the removal activity.

  • Drucilla Dragonfly - 2011-05-05 11:39

    Die ding moes al lankal afgehaal gewees het! Ek skaam my dat dit nie al lank terug gedoen is nie!

  • Fred703 - 2011-05-05 11:52

    the ANC always play the race card instead of the performance card. Many people dislike the naughty Malema but that has nothing to do with the colour of his skin. Regardless of skin colour he is merely an opportunist and a thief. Sadly he reflects the crass stupidity of his supporters.

  • TheBokFan - 2011-05-05 11:53

    Well done DA and good riddance to the statue. Aan Mnr Jaco Mulder - al is Midvaal grotendeels 'n Afrikaanse gemeenskap, beteken dit nie dat al die Afrikaanse mense wil n standbeeld van Verwoed in hulle dorp he nie! Jou komments maak dit klink asof alle Afrikaners hou noodwendig van Verwoed (en dit help vorder die drukplaat dat Afrikaners rassiste is). Daar was Afrikaners wat teen Apartheid was en het nie saam met Verwoed gestem nie.

      Spud - 2011-05-05 12:00

      Jy's reg, Fan. Te danke aan daai groep se bydrae tot die Referendum, kan ons almal vandag die Bokke sien speel. Ons vergeet te vinnig die sport-droogte.

      Pmk901 - 2011-05-05 13:12

      Spud, en te danke aan daai groep kan ons ook heeltyd in vrees lewe. Solank julle net verloor-sport kan kyk met AA - spanne.

      Blip - 2011-05-07 03:11

      The more racist and stupid the Afrikaner, the more he or she is tempted to post in Afrikaans in the foolish belief that nobody can read or understand it unless they like like I do...

  • Almaki - 2011-05-05 11:58

    As a white Afrikaans person, I have to say that I see no need to have a statue of Dr Verwoerd anywhere. True trailblazers like Paul Kruger, yes. A political idiot like Verwoerd, no.

  • simodi - 2011-05-05 11:59

    This is a friendly reminder to all chatroom buddies that ANC rules n dey alwys will so Vote ANC. Pespi or cocaine this party brought democracy to all and S.A belongs to all living in. Amen

      Bluemas - 2011-05-05 12:06

      Couldn't have said it better

      SupaCab - 2011-05-05 12:32

      No the ANC didn't bring democracy to all... The people of South Africa brought about democracy. The ANC has done nothing but drag this country backwards! Democracy is equal rights for all, and yet we have BEE and other racist policies which clearly deny all citizens equal rights. I was born in the 80's and never had a say in this countries apartheid regime and yet I am feeling the brunt of it purely because of the colour of my skin. Simple fact is the ANC has failed us all, we as a nation need to realize that we are the ones losing out at the end of the day. We are the ones paying tax and yet are expected to drive on pot-holed roads etc, all while our government spends millions on kak like fancy houses, luxury cars and lavish holidays all at the expense of the people. Open your eyes and stop being blind and deluded!

      Educated - 2011-05-05 13:33

      No 'dey' won't, I assure you. And please drop the MXIT lingo, you're on new24 now.

      mm - 2011-05-05 14:01

      Yes Bluemas, you COULDN'T have said it better, even if you tried. Simodi, it's THEY not dey. Why must the ANC always rule? Yes they brought democracy, but do you now owe them your life and the happiness of your children, forever more? If they DID deliver for the people then yes, they deserved your vote, because it is your future they are shaping. Can you honestly say that after 17 years your lives have approved so much? It has for some yes, but most are still dying without jobs in poverty, without houses, water, sanitation, etc. So keep voting for them, to your own detrement, and then don't join the next service delivery strike that cripples the economy, you voted for the non delivery, so be happy with it.

      AntiTroll - 2011-05-05 15:19

      Bad simodi! Naughty troll! Go back to your corner and think about what you've done! bluemas you go to the other corner! Naughty trolls!

  • Roberto Falconer - 2011-05-05 12:00

    How is the statue ANY DIFFERENT from Malema's rationale behind singing kill the boer? It's either a part of our heritage that we should all accept and learn to ignore from an inflammatory point of view, or it's a part of our history that BOTH sides should just bury and never discuss again. Let's move FORWARD people. Having just returned from a few weeks abroad, I believe we have the resources and ability to make this the greatest nation on earth and the best place to live.

  • numero_uno - 2011-05-05 12:05

    Jaco Mulder is smoking something for sure. This showed that the Democratic Alliance "was no friend of the Afrikaner" haha i can't stop laughing. DA, in fact nobody has to explain why that bust was taken down. We need to rid SA of any reference towards this Hendrik dude as well as any of the f*#kers who perpetuated apartheid. FF+ is trully racist it seems.

  • Yasr - 2011-05-05 12:11

    So I read in many texts, national and international that Verwoerd was an avid homosexual.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:26

      Did Elvis tell you that?

      Ultramel - 2011-05-05 12:57

      Like all of us. We all getting screwed in the butt....

  • dOpesMokED - 2011-05-05 12:12

    Anc = a bunch of ---Holes!!!

      Vanquisher - 2011-05-05 14:27

      @dOpesMoked ANC is a rulling part and you can not deny that coz its a Fact, you will be rulled by the ANC until you Die. Take it or leave it!!!

      dOpesMokED - 2011-05-05 15:03

      @dOpesMoked ANC is a rulling part and you can not deny that coz its a Fact, you will be rulled by the ANC until you Die. Take it or leave it!!! Oh we know that!!! However you seem to be convincing yourself. So what has the ANC given you besides freedom??? Something which you were to stupid to achieve on your own!!! What else tell me, for you as a person??? I dont want to here about RDP housing, water & electricity for the masses...They squandered billions in the process but of course that means nothing to you....I dont want to hear about affirmative action....which to every no black is the joke of the century....The fat cats laught at you moron's every day at how they throw scraps to you for your vote & how you will always vote for them because of a lack of choice??? They steall billions everyday, squander money that should be comming to the people...What do you think of the price of petrol??? How do you feel when you go to Home Affairs and your black brothers speak to you as if you were more of a moron than them and then they make you follow all the wrong quees??? That was given to you by YOUR ANC who WILL RULE FOREVER so you can be LAUGHED AT FOREVER....No surprise pal thats what you get when you make a rogue your GOD....Plse dont waste your time posting comments up here it only makes you look more stupid than a normal person aught to be....Rather vote for the ANC.......&&&&&&&&&dont tell anyone......

  • colin - 2011-05-05 12:24

    ANCYL = Johnny Walker Blue

  • Joe - 2011-05-05 12:31

    Understandable but a bad move Helen. The dude was the creator of apartheid but stll a respected leader to many. Everyone must just learn to respect others history and culture. You cannot just remove statues, change street names and town names and erase the past.

  • Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 12:34

    They say the DA doesn't have the interest of Afrikaners at heart. But they don't have the interest of anyone but Afrikaners at heart. And I think, hope and would pray if I believed it helped that most Afrikaners are sensible enough to realise that looking after only our own interest (apartheid, anyone?) will only make enemies. And making enemies is not really in our interest is it? So let's vote for what's good for SA. In my opinion a strong opposition is the only thing anyone should aim for. Because in theory everyone is pretty good (ever cared to read official ANC policy?), but theory means nothing without an opposition biting at your heals to keep you accountable.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:43

      Do you not see the problem with your statement?

      daboss247365 - 2011-05-05 12:49

      Very well stated actually. Strangly enough, the ANC still has the most open, free & fair policy out of all the parties, still based on their freedom charter. This leads to the problem lying not with the ANC party, but with unchecked individuals who fester within the party, having free reign. If it holds true that the ANC neither needs or wants white votes, they would not have english & afrikaans election posters, or white candiates for many white areas... That said however, the sheer possibility & influence of the likes of Julius Malema, the fact that he is not reigned in & the ANC actually protects him, leads me to believe that the party policy itself is under threat, & hence the ANC will not get my vote as it did before, this will now go to the DA. And a sidenote here: Recently visited friends in the "stuck up, racist, snob, uncaring for the poor DA run province" the western cape. to my shock, of the many whites I met, many were actually ANC supporters... strange huh... this in a province that has definitely improved, for poor & rich since the DA took over, & have held for just 3 years...

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 13:18

      @Vaal Donkie, no, I don't see the problem. You don't see the problem with apartheid though, so I doubt we'll agree on whatever problem it is you see in my statement. @daboss247365, that's exactly right. Real ANC supporters should be furious to see what the party has become. I wonder if all those who lost their lives or loved ones in the struggle would do it all over again if they knew the freedom they fought for would be abused in this way.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 13:40

      The reason Verwoerd proposed seperate development was that the alternative would mean that the Afrikaner's cultural identity would be swallowed up and forgotten if left to mingle with the 10 other cultures in this country. And that is exactly what is happening today.

      mm - 2011-05-05 14:05

      Will, where is your proof that the DA has only Afrikaners' interests at heart? Why don't you do a bit of research and see what the DA has done for NON Afrikaners in the last year. you'll find MANY articles. And then look for articles that claims that they did something ONLY for afrikaners, that excludes everyone else, and then please post it, because I have never seen one. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see...

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 15:00

      I'm talking about politics today - about the DA, ANC and the FF+ more specifically - and you attempt to discredit me with a long-dead guy and the preservation of Afrikaner culture. I'm afraid I don't understand.

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 15:11

      If you can't learn from the past...

      Will2.0 - 2011-05-05 15:31

      @MM...you got me all wrong, "they" are the FF+. Let me restate the first part of my original post, I see how you could easily misunderstand: They [The FF+] say the DA doesn't have the interest of Afrikaners at heart. But they [The FF+] don't have the interest of anyone but Afrikaners at heart.

      GATVOL - 2011-05-05 19:22

      Wake up,the DA counts on the Afrikaner vote,which it inherited from the NP, and then they go off toy toying and trying to get the black vote!! I call on all people to look at the facts before voting for the DA!

  • vusi22 - 2011-05-05 12:34

    its white(DA) vs white(FF Plus).DA stands for modern racism FF( plus )believes in white supremacy

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-05-05 12:44

      Yes, but note that we don't call for the death of helen Zille or Pieter Mulder.