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Zuma: Candidates off list to be probed

2011-04-28 12:08

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma has promised to remove non-preferred candidates from lists after the local government elections, saying in certain areas the process was manipulated.

"We will deal with the individuals who should not be on the list after the elections," he told reporters at Luthuli House in Johannesburg on Thursday. He announced the party had set up a team to investigate problems with the lists.

"We cannot correct the lists before the election as legally that process has been closed.

"It has become apparent... that in some instances and in some isolated areas, the processes were unjustly interfered with and manipulated.

"In the affected wards, candidates that were preferred by our structures and communities were removed from the lists. This has understandably caused anger and frustration."

ANC’s ‘honest’ track record

Since it was the first time in South Africa that communities were involved in candidate selection, there were bound to be teething problems, he said.

"The findings of this team will make it possible for the ANC to remove any candidates who were not preferred by our structures and our communities."

He said the ANC's "honesty and track record" spoke for itself and the party would keep its word.

"The decision of the ANC and the corrective measures to be undertaken will bring to rest any confusion that might have been created by anybody within or outside our structures regarding removal of preferred candidates."

‘ANC will win Western Cape’


Zuma said the ANC was confident of victory in all areas for the election, even in the Democratic Alliance-controlled Western Cape.

"We are absolutely confident of a win," he said with a smile.

There was a perception the ruling party had lost the Western Cape to the opposition. "No party in the Western Cape has won the election. The ANC has," he asserted.

"We did not lose. What happened was that other parties combined to reduce the majority of the ANC," he said, referring to the merger of the DA and Independent Democrats.

"There is a perception that the DA runs the Western Cape and because of them it is first-class and excellent... like Rondebosch. Not true.

"The Western Cape remains in an upper tranche set up where there are mostly white privileged people, and that is why it is first-class, but it does not represent [black and coloured communities like] Khayelitsha and Gugulethu and those areas."

The ANC, he said, promised to make it "better for all".

Zuma said the timing of the SA Municipal Workers' Union strike, just ahead of the elections, should be questioned.

"We are not saying don't strike. What we are saying is that the timing should be looked at."

There had been claims the industrial action was planned to sabotage the ANC's election campaign.

Comments
  • 1gascan - 2011-04-28 12:12

    Blah blah blah! And you promised housing to the poor - millions still waiting. And you promised jobs - many are still waiting. and you promised to reduce crime - it has risen... need I say more?

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-04-28 12:45

      Well the pressures applied by the voters are working so that is good. My question is this: can a party still legally change the names after the lists have been submitted and the deadline has passed? If not then the voters must trust that things will be corrected AFTER the elections were held. Seems to me that the voters have little reason to trust the ANC on the candidates list after recent events.

      Observer - 2011-04-28 12:57

      Too true! One wonders if JZ is starting to get a little nervous - if the ANC doesn't do well in these elections, are the educated and intellingent members of the ANC going to just sit idly by? JZ might be fighting for his position - thoughts people?

      1nawty0 - 2011-04-28 13:01

      actually very clever of Zuma, since people on the ground were threatening with boycotting these elections.... this way they will still get people to vote for ANC with the promise that it would be fixed after election, which everyone knows it is a lie, as he had an opportunity to fix this problem before the candidates names got submitted

      daaivark - 2011-04-28 13:03

      Hans, He even states explicitly that it cannot be undone before the election. So he is actually asking people to have faith in his guarantee that the involved parties will be removed, though there is little indication of the existence of a mechanism for removing an elected official, nor little viable reason for giving credence to anything he says.

      1gascan - 2011-04-28 13:10

      Hans, I agree with you fully - I certainly wouldn't back such a decision (especially since we are all aware of the current ANC track record). Unfortunately trust is out the window on this one - "wolf" has been cried one too many times... I can't vote for a candidate and then expect it to be changes later (and yes, I would also like to know whether it is legal - I wonder what the IEC's response would be to this). Observer, you have a valid point, and I must say that there are many educated (and uneducated) members of the ANC that have now seen them for who they really are. The worst enemy of the ANC is not their opposition, but rather the loss of confidence in their followers - hence the call to the youth to vote as well... Another barrier one has to consider, is the fact that apartheid has been indoctrinated into many, and even though the poor live on the street and in poverty, they will refuse to vote for any party purely on principle - sad really. There hasn't really been any advancements by the "new" government to oust this thought pattern, and unfortunately this will not change for years to come.

  • Freakeee - 2011-04-28 12:13

    Another promise...that will be broken

      Andrew Stokes - 2011-04-28 12:39

      Anc13thDesciple... Such a fool, of course your voting for the person. That person will be making the descisions about how your municipality is run. If you vote in a corrupt moron then you wont get any basic services and the rubbish will continue to pile up, how can you even argue against that? You have been brainwashed or are benifiting heavily from corrupt anc people already!

      n s - 2011-04-28 12:58

      lol Anc13thDesciple, it's not the ANC that freed you, it was FW de Klerk and he was NP, and to take it even further, it as the Americans who started questioning SA, and they were not ANC, so say thanks to the US. With so many numbers how could the ANC not win, and turn apartheid into murder while singing it all the way. In a free society, the last thing people want to vote for is more freedom, people want service delivery. You might not have your priorities in a row but at least you are loyal, good for you.

      Sho Fukamachi - 2011-04-28 13:00

      @ANC13thDisciple: "it is important to understand that in the ANC you are voting for the party that freed you....you are not voting for individuals you are voting for the party the ANC" really... so the ANC can rape this country to the ground, but you'll continue voting for them as they "freed" you. You have just lost your right to vote, you dumbass.

      daaivark - 2011-04-28 13:04

      13th Disciple: Have you considered a future in stand-up comedy?

      Felix - 2011-04-28 13:43

      Tsepo the goat herder is a classic :)

      Kaizo - 2011-04-28 13:58

      LOL @Anc13Disciple how many accounts have you had banned so far? Every week you got a new account geez.

  • thakaali - 2011-04-28 12:15

    what a joke!!! So you must vote for the person and after the election they will replace the person with the candidate the community originally wanted? Instead of just doing that in the first place?

  • Logs01 - 2011-04-28 12:25

    people's candidates will be replaced with ANC-Cadres AFTER the election. That is what he is actually saying. Just can's believe anything this F@%ker says!!!

  • kalabafazi@24.com - 2011-04-28 12:25

    Er... Vote for some one you don't want as a candidate? We will make the changes afterwards? That sounds about right for the ANC. Oh and i bet they'll throw in a free house too.

  • n s - 2011-04-28 12:26

    hahahaa, they have to set up teams to investigate themselves! the teams are probably just as corrupt, why wouldn't they be? they're all on the same side... arn't they? which then leaves us with another publicity stunt that the ANC 'deals' with fraud, or is that 'makes deals'

  • kalabafazi@24.com - 2011-04-28 12:26

    Or maybe that's the ANC's election promise. "We promise to change the lists. Viva ANC Viva!"

  • Woseck - 2011-04-28 12:28

    So they want their own cadres to investigate the problem, I smell fish all over this situation. what a beautiful way to play your hand El Presedente! Nothing will happen after the elections. I have to save this report to bring forward during the next upcoming election as proof of unfulfilled ANC promises!

  • Monica - 2011-04-28 12:32

    WHAT PROGRESS? The increase in unemployment, the rogue cops, the increase in murder and theft. Street kids. DISGUSTING SCHOOLING UNEDUCATE TEACHERS and then they still expect people to pay school fees when your children are still stupid after grad 6 do me a favour!!!!!!!!!11

  • gaaatvol - 2011-04-28 12:33

    Promises, promises. Too late buddy. As always, you try to please everybody. "We cannot correct the list before the elections as legally that process has been closed. We will deal with the individuals who shouldn't be on the list after the elections." But then they are already on the payroll so they will make cause hell to make sure they stay on. hahahahahaha. The ANC gets more ridiculous by the day.

  • DW - 2011-04-28 12:38

    They are begging the people to vote for people who got there by fraudulent means. What kind of party is this? I guarantee they will not get rid of these people after the election. They will crow about the fact that they have won and what the people wanted will be ignored.

  • Notuagain - 2011-04-28 12:40

    Probed by what?....by whom? Good headline. Great tactic by the ANC. They could also remove the person you thought you were voting for.

  • Darwinian - 2011-04-28 12:41

    The other candidates has been executed... The cANCer is spreading....

  • damascus - 2011-04-28 12:44

    Don't think that anything will come from this

  • Freakeee - 2011-04-28 12:48

    Anc13thDisciple nope the ill disciplined gets a raise and a new business to submit tenders to government

  • Zakhele - 2011-04-28 12:48

    Zuma- You can only b*llsh*t people upto to a ceratain point. Give it up buddy. ANC under your leadership is in absolute chaos. Nobody knows who is who in the zoo. Sooner than later the bubble will burst. Ignore this warning at your peril. The "preferred by our structures and communities." you talking about are out there to grab whatever is left for their families. You and Mbeki started it- and there is no turning back now. Corruption and only thinking about your own interests and forgetting the needs of those you serve is an acceptable norm to these communities you talking about. Right now the country needs a crazy president who will make crime crime- and that starte with you president and your cronies to have your day in court about your corruption trial1s.

  • BigMoose - 2011-04-28 12:49

    Why pick on Rondebosch? The ANC will not get Cape Town. The man is delusional.

      Serias - 2011-04-28 13:52

      Maybe he knows something we dont........like rigging the results!!

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-28 15:05

      indeed, thats the ONLY way they'll win the cape.

  • Cathy - 2011-04-28 12:50

    yes Blah blah blah....why could it not be done in the first place. Everyone was aware of it. Will it be done in the future??/Rhetoric and talk talk talk, no action

  • vumz - 2011-04-28 12:55

    xactly who does this man think he is addressing? a bunch of retarded and blind members of society....where he happens to be the one eyed dude? i am an anc supporter, but i must say...this is enough! enough lies, promises,corruption, embezzlement,nepotism and everything else that the anc has come to represent! the anc has done good things in the past, liberating us for an example, but what happens now? what have they done for me lately? lied, lied and lied! i dont believe a word out of any of them. we know, the time has come for them to take our votes and run! brace yourselves.

      Zakhele - 2011-04-28 13:07

      Vuvu Vumz my dearest friend! We need unite against Zuma, ANC leadership and Malema corruption. It is very easy: We hold back with our skills. We take the ANC to court for its lies to people and using black people to further their aims of enriching themselves. We stop the ANC from using the BEE to justify their siphoning of public funds. It's either BEE for people or no BEE at all! Can you imagine what would happen if all good and genuine government employees who are opposed to corruption put tools down? All at the same time saying, yeah right, run this country with those who have benefited from your skewed BEE? I have said it in many platformd that the biggest enemy of BEE and Economic Transformation is the ANC itself. I repeat: The biggest enemy of BEE and Transformation in this country is the ANC ITSELF!

      Skottie - 2011-04-28 13:49

      @ vums : The ANC of 1994 is NOT the ANC of today. Best you start voting with your brain and not your heart to get the best for our beautiful country. You have seen the non-deliverance of promises and that is not going to end … just more promises to brake. It doesn't matter if the president is Black, White, Yellow, Green ... if he/she serves the people of the country and strives for the best for all (not just the so-called elite in the top positions of the government) then I will vote for them! ANC leaders is failing their followers and it is only the followers that can do something about it ... don't vote for them again! Give another party a chance for the next 5 years and if you don't like it, then vote ANC again after that but you will never know the better life if you stick with the current corrupted self-enriching ANC.

      vumz - 2011-04-28 15:03

      @ Zakhele, eish mfwethu, ay' its become a dog eats dog regime. they come up with all these remedies to get black people off the ground and so forth, just to get the public's approval. when its time for those programmes to deliver, there's no better time than that, to get to know the top members' family trees. you will know the aunts their children and their children's husbands and before you know it they are throwing big parties and appear on sunday world.....ja ja...it goes on and on. but i ask, with tears in my eyes,..do they really think we dont know what they are doing? why must i vote for them now? why? i want them to answer that for me in one sentence and no big words.

  • Slapper - 2011-04-28 12:56

    A little bit late and the realization that the voters are not yet sucked in. What a plonker. Go Helen, prove to these guys that it is possible to run a competent government, relatively corruption free.

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-04-28 12:57

    ANC and the would "correct" in one sentance, yeah right! hahaha

  • carjan - 2011-04-28 12:58

    Zuma - if you can lie about this -you can lie about other issues as well!

  • Rachel - 2011-04-28 13:00

    Mr President, what is this - Job creation ?? for which the tax payer must suffer and you and your "brothers" are getting fatter every day. You will never get rid of those unpreffered candidates. It will just become another joke surrounding the ANC. Why is the timing of the strike not correct. Because it might show the country that the people had enought of the ANC's empty promises and demand trustworthy candidates in their place. Wake up Mr President, this country is busy sliding down hill so fast, that you might not have your "kingdom" to govern any more

  • GT - 2011-04-28 13:00

    Maybe Mr Zuma & all his ministers should move out of Rondebosch if he hates it so much.

  • cgtours - 2011-04-28 13:02

    What?? The ANC Track Record and HONESTY speaks for itself- our learned President states That must be biggest joke I have heard this week - Even better than somebody coming to tell us a miracle happened - Pigs can now fly !!! wherever the ANC is involved, FOR SURE, THERE IS GOING TO IRREGULARITIES/FRAUD/MANIPULATION- No matter if it is in Municipalities Government/Elections/Tenders/Jobs/- I am sorry that we have to now acknowledge this .Everbody hoped it would be different - BUT MIRACLES are a pipe dream now in this Country.REALITY is what now is facing every Citizen in this Country - apart from those on the Gravy Train..

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-04-28 13:02

    off course you will only deal with the matter AFTER the elections. This way you can placify both groups telling one that their candidates are correct and the other group that they will be the right ones that will be dealt with trying to ensure the maximum amounts of votes? What do you take the voters for? Oops< I forgot, you take them for what they are. Puppets on a string...

  • Bacon - 2011-04-28 13:06

    "...first-class and excellent... like Rondebosch"?! Have you been to Rondebosch latey JayZee? The place is a dump.

  • Zion - 2011-04-28 13:06

    Looks like the DA has really put these people under pressure. There appears to be a slight breach of the rules here. If a candidate has been voted in then another cannot replace him at the whim of the ruling party.

      OuWitBooi - 2011-04-28 13:57

      If you read the statement carefully you will see that JZ never actually says that the communities' chosen candidates will be installed in the place of the fraudulently nominated candidates - BUT IT IS STRONGLY IMPLIED. It is just another example of dishonest ANC politicking. But the people (almost all the people) are so sick of these lies, and so aware of the lies, that it won't help any more. Zuma - we are sick of your promises for jobs, hospitals, crime fighting and on and on. Until we see real action nobody will believe a word you say.

      OuWitBooi - 2011-04-28 14:08

      If you read the statement carefully you will see that JZ never actually says that the communities' chosen candidates will be installed in the place of the fraudulently nominated candidates - BUT IT IS STRONGLY IMPLIED. It is just another example of dishonest ANC politicking. But the people (almost all the people) are so sick of these lies, and so aware of the lies, that it won't help any more. Zuma - we are sick of your promises for jobs, hospitals, crime fighting and on and on. Until we see real action nobody will believe a word you say.

  • Zakhele - 2011-04-28 13:07

    Vuvu Vumz my dearest friend! We need unite against Zuma, ANC leadership and Malema corruption. It is very easy: We hold back with our skills. We take the ANC to court for its lies to people and using black people to further their aims of enriching themselves. We stop the ANC from using the BEE to justify their siphoning of public funds. It's either BEE for people or no BEE at all! Can you imagine what would happen if all good and genuine government employees who are opposed to corruption put tools down? All at the same time saying, yeah right, run this country with those who have benefited from your skewed BEE? I have said it in many platformd that the biggest enemy of BEE and Economic Transformation is the ANC itself. I repeat: The biggest enemy of BEE and Transformation in this country is the ANC ITSELF!

  • Marcell - 2011-04-28 13:09

    He knows his supporters are braindead.

  • Madelane - 2011-04-28 13:10

    "ANC's "honesty and track record" spoke for itself" WHAT? Oh wait it's a joke surely.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-28 15:07

      i think HE believes it. It's a sad indication of the lack of any credible future when the "leadership" start believing their own propaganda.

  • derkus - 2011-04-28 13:13

    we will deal with the indiduals who should not be on the list after the election..............what a crock of shit

  • hi1@24.com - 2011-04-28 13:19

    They crook the list of candidates even before the election and you want to vote for them? Best vote an opposition party, when they see the numbers in favour of the other parties you watch your service delivery improving. You wont vote them out... just give them a fright.

  • Cui Bono - 2011-04-28 13:19

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  • Cui Bono - 2011-04-28 13:23

    Is it my imagination or is the ANC's electioneering rhetoric taking on a horribly racial tone this time. Perhaps they are being driven to make the elections racial to try cover up their gross non-performance and poor service delivery.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-28 15:08

      Isn't that their strategy every time?

  • Rocky - 2011-04-28 13:26

    He is lieing to get votes in the areas that they screwed over. Why should he be any different this time. DUH "We did not loose the Western Cape". Just how stupid is this man. Unfortunatley he believes the garbage that he spews.

  • Ray - 2011-04-28 13:29

    "He said the ANC's "honesty and track record" spoke for itself?" Hahahahahahahaha "in certain areas the process was manipulated." Hahahahahahahaha "We will deal with the individuals who should not be on the list after the elections," By manipulating the process ourself!!! Hahahahahahahahawhatthefaaaack "In the affected wards, candidates that were preferred by our structures and communities were removed from the lists. This has understandably caused anger and frustration." "The findings of this team will make it possible for the ANC to remove any candidates who were not preferred by our structures and our communities." Who had been removed, and who must still be removed? Is Jacob wanting to replace the preferred with the un-preferred? By who's survey are these preferences of the comunity and "structures" being calculated. I was under the impression that these type of preferences can only be calculated by means of an election! And the IEC is doing a GREAT JOB!!! Wow!!! Zuma is clairvoyant!!!...Born with a double helm!!!

  • tripwire - 2011-04-28 13:29

    AnC Says "building better communities" , because you would better hope your neighbor can help you through those no service delivery years.The Western cape is DA and 60 % of it is colored so coming with this white people running anything is bull, you can say they want everything to be run by black people then.. stupid argument. People just want a Province and a country that works. To be able to wake up with services being delivered, people getting the medical care and education they need. Waking up with children playing safely outside without a constant fear of crime... that`s OUR wish as the people. ANC , Stop making promises and show us REAL stats.

  • tripwire - 2011-04-28 13:35

    Don`t you just love it when our comments are deleted one second after posting. Soon this comment section will be so neutered .. .

  • Skottie - 2011-04-28 13:39

    So what about those who actually wants to vote for the candidate currently on the list??? Are they going to be pee-d off AFTER the election when the candidate is 'removed' as promised !?!?!? Doesn't sound very promising to me and a blatent lie! ANC is screwing their own people and they (the people) can't (won't!) see it!!!

  • Ray - 2011-04-28 13:40

    THE ONLY THING THE ANC CAN BE HONEST ABOUT, IS THE FACT THAT ALL OF IT'S MEMBERS BELONG TO A DISHONEST PARTY!

  • motsokwane - 2011-04-28 13:42

    I wish there was an alternative party to ANC(Ancestors-Not-to-Count on) AND DA(Dutch-Ancestors)

      Skottie - 2011-04-28 13:54

      DA is NOT for whites only !!!! What do they still have to do to prove that to the country !?!?!? Give them a chance and if you don't like what they deliver for you (as they have done in the WCape) then vote for another again ... we need to stand together against the corrupted ANC. I think Mandela will cry if he is made aware of what the current ANC has done to wipe out everything he fought for ... so sad!

      Serias - 2011-04-28 13:56

      Why don't you start one up?

      motsokwane - 2011-04-28 14:08

      @skotaikie,don't tell me what to do with my life.I won't even give DA a dream let alone a term.SHU!

      DW - 2011-04-28 14:19

      Actually I think maybe Mandela will quietly vote DA in the elections. He must be so embarrassed and disappointed.

      ands - 2011-04-28 14:22

      Then start one Motsokwane, the reality is that it really is needed. But we do not have one right now....right now Motsokwane. I will never vote for the ANC, and not for the same reason black South Africans won't vote for the DA. The ANC are useless at governing. I do however respect that it must be difficult to vote for a "perceived" white party. But you know what the ANC can deliver, do you know what the DA can? If not what have you got to lose? If they are as bad as the ANC then you and I will both vote them out in the next election that is how you test our democracy. Perhaps by then there will be an alternative.

      Skottie - 2011-04-28 15:50

      @ Motsokwane - don't be so mad. I feel the same as you but I am going to base my vote on evidence of governence in the country ... which is currently: DA governence is working and the ANC is not. :o) I am not telling you what to do with your life I am giving you some advise that you (and only you) have the key to your life. Your vote can change your life significantly in a positive way but don't let a race card hold you back.

  • Ollie - 2011-04-28 13:43

    OMG - I nearly died laughing -ANC's "honesty and track record speak for itself. ANC is one of the most corrupt government's we have had in SA.

  • Saffer - 2011-04-28 13:47

    Is Zuma saying that, in wards where independent candidates win, the ANC will simply drop their losing candidates in favour of the winning 'independents' who are currently standing against the ANC-nominated candidates? Is this not election fraud? Is a party allowed to effectively field 2 candidates -one ANC and one 'independent'? Something is very very wrong here ... I hope the IEC does its job and checks out whether this is legal.

      Nomhlolo - 2011-04-29 11:50

      IEC,PLEASE HELP US TO SCREEN CANDIDATES ALSO BECAUSE SOME DO NOT EVEN QUALIFY TO LEAD US, BUT BECAUSE THEY ARE FAVOURED BY THE SO CALLED "TOP LEADERS" WHO ARE ONLY FOCUSING ON THEIR OWN INTEREST AND SOME INDIVIDUALS,THEY CHOSE THESE POOR CANDIDATES SO THAT THEY IN FUTURE REMOTE THEM IN GOVERNANCE. I WISH THAT THE PRESIDENT SUCCEED IN THIS! ANC IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.

  • Wollie - 2011-04-28 13:49

    Lets bet that over 5 yrs things will still be the same. Here is the reason for it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17m8OnHC7dQ

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-04-28 13:52

    'Fraudulant'! On such a scale! Surely you approved the lists before they were submitted, Mr Zuma?

  • avaricesa - 2011-04-28 14:04

    Just like the ANC, not being able to get the job done right the first time.

  • Jenna - 2011-04-28 14:07

    The ANC promises were not made to be kept, it was made to get them into power and the ANC policies will keep them in power. The education system will keep the masses uneducated, unemployable, angry and in squatter camps.The social grants will ensure a secure and increasing supply for the ANCYL. I do not want to be the party to take over. The people will expect the new party to make the ANC promises good - after 17 years of ANC employed counteractive strategies and policies ? Good luck is all I can say.

  • William Morgan - 2011-04-28 14:46

    I do not trust the anc! They speak with forked tongue.

  • AllSeeingEye - 2011-04-28 14:51

    Its Time we introduced the New S.A Order,,,i hear ppl are complaining about the ruling party now,so if we vote for the Opposite party,,are we still gona have our town houses and big cars and position we worked hard "note that i'm not a gorvmnt slave" for not via corruption like the likes of "Shoot to kill"some of us are innocent and wouldn't want to risk our little wealth we hustled for in good ways.So don't you think most people will rather vote the ruling party fearing to go through what we experienced in the apartheid years than the Oppositions?You need to understand a mindset of a person from all levels before you open your mouth making promises "Politicians",it's time we operated our local municipalities like "Projects" and if one doens't deliver in a given time,Jy moet fokoff.