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Zuma again threatens wrath of ancestors

2011-05-13 22:43

Port Elizabeth - The ancestors will be upset if the ANC loses control of Nelson Mandela Bay in the local government elections on May 18, President Jacob Zuma said on Friday.

"The ancestors will be upset if Nelson Mandela Bay is lost because this is the home of the ANC," Zuma told a crowd of about 25 000 at Dan Qeqe Stadium.

Zuma, who was accompanied by Cosatu secretary general Zwelinzima Vavi, was greeted by singing and dancing before he spoke.

Earlier Zuma said there had been a big debate before the general election in 2009 about whether the Congress of the People would win the metro from the ANC, but this had never happened.

"This is the home of the ANC. No one will take the ANC and no one feels threatened," he said.

Before the rally Zuma handed a new wheelchair to a woman he had met on a previous visit to Zwide. She had complained of struggling to operate her previous wheelchair. Zuma had promised to return with a new one.

DA, Cope coalition

The Democratic Alliance and Cope expect to win control of the metro from the ANC in a coalition after the election.

The rally on Friday was Zuma's last bid at winning over the cash-strapped metro's voters before voting on Wednesday. His campaign visit comes amidst widespread unhappiness in the Eastern Cape ANC over the party's lists of mayoral and ward candidates for the elections.

Party members in the province have complained about flaws in the candidate selection process, leading to court cases and even alleged assassination plots.

In Mthatha, King Sabatha Dalindyebo municipality mayor Siyakholwa Mlamli is under a cloud after his bodyguard and driver were arrested for allegedly soliciting a hitman to kill five prominent provincial ANC leaders.

Earlier this week an Eastern Cape chief, Mwelo Nonkonyana, claimed former ANC president Oliver Tambo spoke to him in a vision about candidate lists in the OR Tambo region. The party's Eastern Cape spokesperson Mlibo Qoboshiyane dismissed it as an act of desperation.

Vavi warned that the ANC faced losing the Nelson Mandela Bay metro due to individualism and greed.

“You may find a very embarrassing situation: Nelson Mandela Bay under a Democratic Alliance leadership,” he said at a meeting in Johannesburg earlier.

“There is real danger that our people, who are sick and tired of all that is continuing to happen in that metro… may decide to stay away instead of voting for anybody else."

Wasteful spending

Losing control of Nelson Mandela Bay would be a major blow to Zuma as he neared the end of his first term as party president. In the past weeks he had visited the Eastern Cape and Nelson Mandela Bay several times, trying to reassure voters the ANC was still working for the people.

He told a rally in Graaff-Reinet in April the ANC needed to regain its two-thirds majority to be able to govern without the “interruption of opposition parties”, and that voting for the opposition was a waste of time.

The ANC-run municipality in Nelson Mandela Bay had had a difficult time delivering services due to a severe shortage of funds, drained by the building and maintaining of infrastructure for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

The Democratic Alliance's caucus leader in Nelson Mandela Bay, Leon de Villiers, believed mayor Zanoxolo Wayile failed residents of the metro by mismanaging the municipality's finances.

"The current cash crisis has seen an amount of R790m being slashed from what was already a very depleted budget, as a result of the cost of hosting the World Cup."

Ratepayers in the municipality, unhappy about the city's "fruitless and wasteful" spending, have promised to take councillors to court every time they made a poor decision.

Nelson Mandela Bay ratepayer chairperson Kobus Gerber cited R9m spent on a city jazz festival while 22 000 poor people still used bucket toilets, as an example.

The city dismissed the criticism, saying its auto-industry-fed economy had been hit by the "great recession". One of the municipality's biggest successes, its spokespeople said, was the 22 000 houses built for the poor since 2008. The DA believed a lower turnout of ANC voters could sway things in its favour in the metro.

The party won 25% of the vote in 2006, taking 30 out of 120 council seats. In the 2009 general election support for the ANC dropped from 69% of the city to 49.6%, while Cope won 17% of the vote.

Heroes


DA leader Helen Zille, who had also been wooing voters in the city, had been selling the party's success at governing Cape Town, Baviaans in the Eastern Cape and Midvaal in Gauteng.

Planning Minister Trevor Manuel said Zille had "lost her marbles" when, after a rally in Nelson Mandela Bay earlier in May, she alluded to ANC heroes and said the DA was taking the "struggle forward".

“We must never forget our heroes," Zille said.

"Nelson Mandela is the father of our nation. We think of heroes like Oliver Tambo and Helen Suzman. Our heroes struggled for a better life for all. Which party is actually delivering a better life for all?"

Comments
  • Christo Stone - 2011-05-13 23:04

    This guy is a complete freakin idiot. Can't believe people vote for this moron...beyond me how people like this are even allowed to partake in politics in other countries...

      Gatvol - 2011-05-14 05:36

      That's why he's called showerhead

      Creeky - 2011-05-14 05:55

      To think.... this complete IDIOT represents South Africa at the G20 Summit... You think the other leaders make FUN OF HIM????? I would think so! "Here comes zat IDIOT from Sous Africa"- Sarkozi ROFLMAO!!!!!

      john - 2011-05-14 08:38

      Friends overseas laugh out loud when I tell them things like this. They ask how the results of elections are determined, does the witchdoctor throw the bones and tell you which party won? And, sad to say, it's getting there quite quickly.

      Jacques - 2011-05-15 14:05

      The pity is that the majority of South Africans belief, like Zuma and Malemma etc., in ancestral spirits and witchdoctors. Just like the zombie worshipers in Haiti that stated they are christians but still believed in Zombies and we know what happened in Haiti. Pray to our Heavenly Father, the GOD of Isreal to vanquish these leaders of the devil worshipers (the ANC) so that we can have a significant chance to help the masses stop believing in their ancestral spirits.

      JuluisMalema - 2011-05-16 07:07

      The Tokoloshi will come and haunt every one who voted for the ANC of that i am sure. ANC is a lost case, since 1994 the ANC has put more people out of jobs, made more criminals, provided more poverty than ever before. The ANC is also a proud sponsor of crime and corruption along with SA police force, that was the only servise delivery we ever got from the ANC, crime and corruption. The whole black race in the ANC has a lack of intelligence, you will notice and hear this every time one of them opens their mouths and make a speech. Usually Goes like "So them but now infact especially because the reason for this election is to vote ANC is important so you can go to Heavan". or " So then but now because" and then he will ask " What was the question again and what was the subject anout". Complete retarts. The last summit held I watched Jacob Zuma he did not make any sence and he said the same thing over and over just changed the wording a bit.

      JuluisMalema - 2011-05-16 14:14

      The Tokoloshi will come and haunt every one who voted for the ANC of that i am sure. Tokoloshi jaag jou af die gangelang hy maak jou bangelang jy skop die pispot tangelang en daar het die Tokoloshi jou gevang en as jy vir die ANC stem gaan hy jou hang.

      Aluicius Jones - 2011-05-17 04:36

      This guy is a complete freakin idiot.so are their voters

      shmangle - 2011-05-17 08:02

      Jacques - You don't see the irony do you? Idiot.

  • Janine - 2011-05-13 23:06

    I sooooooo hope that the DA will take Nelson Mandela Bay! Whilst I have the greatest respect for African culture and the role of the ancestors I think that it's immoral for showerhead to use them as a threat. DESPERATE!

      AlwaysHappy - 2011-05-14 00:39

      Respect the living!!

      Daniel123 - 2011-05-14 05:38

      It would be nice if the DA and maybe even in coalition with COPE do take the Nelson Mandela Bay and proofs by better delivery that the ancestors are actually not so unhappy with the ANC loosing it.

      Hein - 2011-05-14 06:51

      What role of the ancestors? The ancestors are dead, buried and eaten by the goggas in the soil. The only role the ancestors play is in their heads after a pipe of dagga and a bottle of brady.

      lightning - 2011-05-14 17:17

      Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?

  • Johan - 2011-05-13 23:09

    If you believe this Jacob, I bet you put your bed on stones to keep away the tokolosh as well. Watch out, watch out, he's after lairs as well.

      Dolittle - 2011-05-13 23:19

      and thieves!

  • Ralph Long - 2011-05-13 23:24

    When will this idiot shut up. If he only knew he is the laughing stock of the world. I live abroad and the country I live in consider him a sad and tragic joke and cannot believe that a man with his morals and education (or lack thereof) could ever be in politics, let alone a president. Unbelievable !!!!

      resiststance - 2011-05-14 08:43

      So what is the international community doing about this tragedy? Why do they not interfere now when they were happy to interfere before?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-15 00:51

      why would they want to do anything? The rot is not affecting anyone outside the country, point of fact a LOT of skilled people are now all over the world contributing to society which would otherwise have stayed in SA. Another self-imploding african state is nothing new.

  • DoublySalmon - 2011-05-13 23:34

    We let people who believe in wrath of ancestors take control of the country and now we call it a democracy?! Let's name it, idiots are in control.

  • Johny - 2011-05-13 23:59

    The ancestors don't like those toilets either...

      Gatvol - 2011-05-14 05:46

      Their ancestor did their no.2's in the bush. I think they should be pleased with the toilets

      sannas - 2011-05-14 14:54

      Yep, and they don't like the crimes and corruption, non-delivery of services and non-delivery of promises too! Just shows you how stupid Zuma is or maybe the people who believe this crap are more stupid because they idolise the ancestors who approve of the criminal corrupt ANC, hahahahaaaaa! They deserve what they will get if ANC takes PE again.

  • To The Point - 2011-05-14 00:02

    If superstitious people only realised that the “ancestors” are already weeping for what this corrupt Zulu has done to this country. The man is stuck in a time warp and probably still believes the world is flat. He is such an asstrich .

  • Mannie777 - 2011-05-14 00:03

    Fact that this man is president is SHOCKING. The whole world is laughing at us cause this made news overseas.

  • To The Point - 2011-05-14 00:10

    ANC can only win elections through dirty play - they know playing clean would loose them the battle. These characteristics deceit, terror and brutality are the foundation blocks of the African culture.

      Assegaai - 2011-05-14 01:40

      Why is it so easy to get someone wacked in the rest of the world,but so difficult in SA?Just wondering.......

  • tootingdel - 2011-05-14 00:31

    This is just insane. He is pandering to cultural superstitions just to try and win. SA citizens need to show him they have moved on for this and are more mature than he is - get out there and vote him and the ANC out - for a more modern, effective SA.

      Zinki - 2011-05-14 08:13

      He knows that the majority of people are uneducated (thanks to the ANC) and they are still very superstitious, so he uses this to frighten them. The DA should tell them that their ancestors hate the open toiltets, the continuing poverty and the corruption of the ANC.

  • JHK - 2011-05-14 00:41

    If he can say this without having to actually give proof, what is stopping other political parties from saying that "if you don't vote for us a meteorite will decimate your homes."?

      whereu - 2011-05-14 12:01

      JHK, Unfortunate a strike by a meteorite more likely that one from an ancestor simply because the former is possible albeit with a very low probability. I think they will stick to the ancestry conspiracy because they feel that this would give them more “mind control”.

  • Ndividia - 2011-05-14 00:51

    Sitting in Australia and reading this article let's me laugh at this leader, called zuma, you are a joke for your joker people. How can you try to scare your so called voters with ancestory people who died a long time ago. That is a sign that you and your party are in trouble. With no service delivery and big time corruption in the leadership of the "ruling" party how can you expect votes. Shame on you for living the high live on tax payers money while there are people who have nothing. The most beautiful country went to ashes thanks to the incompatent ruling of the anc. My your ancestors be with you because God won't help you.

      Jack - 2011-05-14 01:05

      Stay seated. Please do not refer to all of us as "joker people". This is scary stuff .

      Ndividia - 2011-05-14 05:59

      Sorry for the "veralgemening ". You what I mean. The "people" who can't think for themselves they are the idiotd

  • eh eh eh - 2011-05-14 01:06

    OWw! Mshowalozi look what you've done now - all your ranting has woken bra Oliver up. He also wants a wheelchair. What now?

  • rosemari - 2011-05-14 03:03

    Jacob Zuma, I hope all these lies you have been telling your people turn into sleepless nightmares for you. Your greed to hold onto power is your weapon to put fear into the people so that they vote for your party that is living on empty promises and where those who are in power are living high lives on the backs of the tax payer with no shame. I truly feel sorry for all those who are living in poverty because things are just going to get worse instead of better. You do not have the people's needs at heart only yours and your buddies that put you into power. Using religion and ancestors to put fear into people is a utter disgrace. SHAME ON YOU

  • lightning - 2011-05-14 03:06

    It is time for a government which is less concerned about dancing and singing and marrying young women.One that cares more for the living than talking about the dead and that stops blaming 17 year non delivery on apartheid.The only thing the present government is good at is lining it's own pocket.Mr Zuma forget your ancestors they are dead, care for the people I see scratching in the refuse looking for a bite to eat.You are entitled to your belief in your ancestors but don't force that rubbish on me!

      Africa53 - 2011-05-17 03:11

      lightning se moer,rosemari foetsek ok. The Ancestors are just like your White daily Horoscope that almost every person knows their Zodiac Superstitions sine. Learn from those who came before you to teach you the Science of ur great Ancestors.

  • lightning - 2011-05-14 03:12

    @ Janine. Do you really have respect for a culture that uses body parts to make muti?

  • Simpiwe Cele - 2011-05-14 05:34

    Vote the Another National Crisis out of power , The ancestors are saying Viva service delivery , viva governance , viva competency. Ancestors KNOW that ANC not capable , Ancestors like old ANC NOT New ANC :)

      Derek Hebbert - 2011-05-19 22:13

      Good one Simpiwe - the old ANC was based on just principles the new ANC is based on....ummm.... hot air?

  • BornInTheRSA - 2011-05-14 06:33

    I agree. Let's respect the "Living". Worrying about someone else's ancestors will not improve services nor provide a decent living standard.

  • Hein - 2011-05-14 06:47

    O my goodness grape juice me!!!!! We are living in the 21st century - ancestors are dead and buried and cannot do anything. The only vision you can see is a vision after you finished a bottle of brandy. I cannot handle these people that can't think for themselves and are spoon fed all this rubbish by our president. How can anyone have respect for a man like this. Jacob Zuma you are embarrassing us on the world platform. Grow up and act like the Christian you profess to be.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-15 00:53

      Te only thing the ancestors will do is ask: Why is it so dark in here?

      Africa53 - 2011-05-17 03:32

      Hein??? You think your smart but your very Stupid ok, WHY do you go to a School named after St George, St. Patrick, Saint Paul, St. Agnes, St Seraphim, St Thomas, Boare Farmer-Prophet Siener van Rensburg and so on. These are all types of Ancestors that people of today usually have not yet understood, whom they are praying 2 please them on their Icon. Be quite about our Ancestors if u have no clue of what their definition really means. Professor Nghoshi ya Mbulunganga Shikoko

  • ebdg3000 - 2011-05-14 07:01

    So now we have a witchdoctor for a President.

      Africa53 - 2011-06-11 17:02

      Witchdoctor do not become leaders in any society, go back and read your traditional Horoscope.

  • rodneyrittmann - 2011-05-14 07:08

    My ancestors will be upset if the ANC stays in power!

      OuWitBooi - 2011-05-14 09:02

      And your descendants too

      OuWitBooi - 2011-05-14 09:03

      And your descendants too

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-15 01:05

      point of fact, everyones decendants will be SCREWED, except for the ANC people, if they stay in power

  • dsdjs - 2011-05-14 07:12

    ZUMA YOUR ANCESTORS WILL BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF YOU FOR NOT DOING YOUR JOB.

  • stofsuier - 2011-05-14 07:12

    I thought that intimidation during elections was against the law ?

      whereu - 2011-05-14 12:06

      If the opposition try intimidation, we'll find out.

  • Daniël - 2011-05-14 07:19

    Cheap talk of a desperate old fool - he should go back to school and learb that when you're dead you;re dead - the so called soul and/or spirit does not exist

  • phillip.havenga - 2011-05-14 07:35

    Desperation.

  • Joryha - 2011-05-14 07:36

    Zuma what rubbish is this about the ancestors will be upset if Nelson Mandela Bay is lost because this is the home of the ANC. This is the problem, stop seeing every area to be the home of the ANC. It is the home of the people who pay for service delivery but goods nothing in return. It angers the ANC if the DA says the City of Cape Town is its home. Stop taking ownership of what belongs to the people, the ancestors will be upset.

  • Bewildered - 2011-05-14 07:42

    He might control the country, but he does not control the ancestors and definitely does not hold the keys to the gates of heaven. He sounds pretty darn desparate to me. He can't use the good track record of the ANC for his electioneering, seeing as it does not exist, so he has no choice but to revert to the supernatural. Pathetic.

  • Shorts1 - 2011-05-14 07:49

    JZ ( Joker Zuma ) is again claiming that all ANCestors support his political party. What he is actually saying is that all these ANCestors have as much chance of governing this country effectively as has today's bunch of PDI's [ Presently Dysfunctional Incumbents ]

      Zinki - 2011-05-14 09:13

      Maybe they are the ghost voters!

  • Naartjie - 2011-05-14 07:58

    Desperate times require desperate measures...but will the ancestors be pleased with Uncle Jacob calling them from their peacefully sleep?...we will wait and see.

  • Jaimo - 2011-05-14 08:01

    The ANC/ZUMA using manipulative superstious fear tactics is demonic and so is the ripping out of a 10yr old childs womb while she is still alive!! to appease these ancestors(impersonating demons). The outside world needs to know what we are going through in this ANC led country. Lord have mercy! Vote ACDP

  • Renny - 2011-05-14 08:03

    Zuma makes black people seem gullible & stupid, if I was black I would be insulted.

      Boerseun - 2011-05-14 08:59

      ..but then you are not black.

      whereu - 2011-05-14 12:09

      As a South African I'm insulted.

  • onetickie - 2011-05-14 08:08

    Talk about desperation for the vote. His is intimidating those as ignorant as he is. He is sounding more and more like mugabe these days. Great pity the tokoloshe is not real or that their ancestors cannot come back and haunt him and the whole rotten bunch of them.But hey, what goes around comes around.....

  • Tc - 2011-05-14 08:12

    The ancestors will punish people who make themselves so stupid as to believe the crap that Zuma talks. Goodness, the ancestors themselves are being insulted by Zuma!

  • RQ11 - 2011-05-14 08:13

    Read the following: http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2010/04/04/south-africas-second-coming-the-nongqawuse-syndrome/ Is JZ & Julie -- Nongqawuse in disguise Then, a 16-year-old girl, Nongqawuse, had a vision on the banks of the Gxarha River. She saw the departed ancestors who told her that if people would but kill all their cattle, the dead would arise from the ashes and all the whites would be swept into the sea. The message was relayed to the Xhosa nation by her uncle, Mhalakaza. Although deeply divided over what to do, the Xhosa began killing their cattle in February 1856. They destroyed all their food and did not sow crops for the future. Stored grain was thrown away. No further work was to be done. Days passed and nights fell. The resurrection of the dead Xhosa warriors never took place. In his book The Dead Will Arise: Nongqawuse and the Great Xhosa Cattle-Killing Movement of 1856-7, historian J.B. Peires contends that by May 1857, 400,000 cattle had been slaughtered and 40,000 Xhosa had died of starvation. At least another 40,000 had left their homes in search of food. According to Dr John Fitzgerald, founder of the Native Hospital who witnessed the events, one could see thousands of those “emaciated living skeletons passing from house to house” in places such as King Williams Town. Craving for food, they subsisted on nothing “but roots and the bark of the mimosa, the smell of which appeared to issue from every part of their body.” As the whole land was surrounded by the smell of death, Xhosa independence and self-rule had effectively ended

      allie - 2011-05-14 08:35

      The books also say that the white people came to their rescue and gave them cattle etc. to survive

      william.botha - 2011-05-14 09:28

      She must be reincarnated in Julius Malema, and the cows the ANCYL followers. Their sh1t is booked by their own making.

  • MadMatt_88 - 2011-05-14 08:17

    My Nordic ancestors think it's all a load of bollocks.

  • Jaimo - 2011-05-14 08:22

    The "ANCESTERS" ARE INFACT IMPERSONATING DEMONS!!!!! By whatever means the devil will try and take as many to HELL with him!

      Africa53 - 2011-05-17 03:52

      Jaimo? If any Saint Prophet, Traditional Healer was excellent and died without killing People than his or her spirit becomes our Guiding Angel. Follow me now and listen 2me that if any Boar committed murder or wish anybody to that extent than either your White or not the Demonic spirit can not guide anybody. Muti killers are not real Witch Doctors, but criminals just like any Terrorist with a Gun but he isn't the real Police but fake.

  • Craig44 - 2011-05-14 08:26

    Same old BS. If the people vote for cANCer again. They deserve the poverty that their X caused.

  • Clive - 2011-05-14 08:26

    That showerhead of a president is a real c#nt. Ancestors? F#&k off.

      Aluicius Jones - 2011-05-17 04:54

      the showerhead of a president isn't a real c#nt - because a c#nt is a useful thing.

  • Beedyeye - 2011-05-14 08:31

    This personifies the desperation and level the ANC will sink to, to plunder votes. It would be laughable if not for the fact that a lot of the people actually believe it. The ancestors are okay with the ANC not delivering on their campaign promises. I guess JZ has a hot line.

  • Rupesh - 2011-05-14 08:42

    What Zuma and his supporters do not understand is that it is not the ancestors who will be angry with you for not voting for ANC, it is your descendends who will be angry with you if you vote for ANC because you would have f'ed up their lives in the future.

  • gav.cowell - 2011-05-14 08:46

    What an idiotic uneducated statemunt!

  • beecee - 2011-05-14 08:46

    this goes to show that even when you die your still are owing a debt to the anc. dump the anc and let your ANCestors rest in peace

  • Boerseun - 2011-05-14 08:57

    If people still want to believe in ancestors that get angry, they sure are stupid. perhaps they should start to think of their children's future and the possibility that their voting choices might just lead to civil war.

  • Tamz - 2011-05-14 09:01

    ***PLEASE EVERYONE GIVE ME ONE MINUTE OF YOUR TIME*** Go to www.liquifruit.co.za cast your vote for ANIMAL ANTICRUELTY LEAGUE to win R200 000 (they are no longer in the lead). They r in desperate need of this money as there are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of starving, abused and neglected animals URGENTLY needing their help & animal charities DO NOT get government funding. PLEASE RESPOST, this is a desperate call for help

      william.botha - 2011-05-14 09:24

      liquifruit?? You got to be joking. Commercial marketing disguised. Sorry, no go for me.

      Krolie - 2011-05-14 10:20

      @Tamz. Done so and passed on to all my family, colleagues and friends. Thanks for bringing this to our attention! To all out there, please assist so that we can help secure a future for all the animals in desperate need out there. In return they will brighten up a child or family's life and shower their love on them. Let's go people. At least we can accomplish something here!

      Gail - 2011-05-14 16:54

      The animals are in desperate need of our help! Our government is not in the least interested in assisting animal charities...it's all up to us to do so.

  • capetonian - 2011-05-14 09:04

    I'm seriously thinking about writing to UK and US newspapers to report on the "politics" here and the cynical approach of our "President" to the electorate!

      Krolie - 2011-05-14 10:25

      Yes me too. I have actually also thought of us all contributing and writing a letter to our "dear" president and cronies, telling them exactly what I think, and have this open letter published on the front page of all our newspapers the morning of the 18th in the hope that it might sway some votes!

      schmurtle - 2011-05-14 11:09

      do it, we need all the assitance we can get.

  • coolwaynie - 2011-05-14 09:05

    Sleaze is the name of the game for the illiterate and unintelligent ANC. DA this is your time. Lets remove the heathens and make space for a moral civilised party to take the country forward. The ANC has pushed the country a few hundred years into the dark ages and their people have had enough.

      Krolie - 2011-05-14 10:26

      Ditto

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-05-14 09:15

    Is there no religious/belief level this man won't use? It's disgusting! Someone should correct the people and tell them that their ancestors fought for a free country and that they'd want their people to vote for whoever would do the best at maintaining that freedom along with making life better for them.

  • william.botha - 2011-05-14 09:21

    Anyway you cut it, this country is infected. Stupid people are the worst threat to this country, as is true for the whole globe, but especially in Africa.

  • Dumbstruck - 2011-05-14 09:23

    D E S P E R A T E!!!! Zoem Zoem gryp na strooi halms!!

  • ET AFRICA - 2011-05-14 09:31

    does Zuma tell the people, the Ancestors wants them to lived in in-humane conditions all their lives ? He should tell them that too, coz thats what they will do if they vote for ANC !! Viva DA Viva !