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'1 farm attack a day since Zuma address'

2011-02-19 18:37

Johannesburg - There has been about one farm attack per day in SA since President Jacob Zuma's state of the nation address on February 10, the Christian Democratic Party (CDP) said.

"The latest farm murder – that of Alberto Cota near Stellenbosch- brings the tally to at least five farm murders since President Jacob Zuma claimed a reduction in certain categories of crime during his State of the Nation address," said CDP leader Reverend Theunis Botha.

"Some farm attacks have taken place in the Free State and Mpumalanga, in one case the victim is in a critical condition," he said referring to the attack on a Free State farmer by three men on Saturday morning in which the farmer was shot in the head and his bakkie stolen.

"Periodic condemnations by the ANC simply do not cut it especially when the ANC insists on its ‘right’ to sing songs like ‘kill the farmer'.

"Potential attackers must be made to understand quite clearly that farmers are not free game and that the government is serious in rooting out the problem," he said.

A farmer was attacked on Mara Farm, between Frankfort and Tweeling, on Saturday morning.

Police were unsure of the exact details of the incident but the farmer was shot in the head and the three attackers fled with his bakkie.

There have been no arrests and police are investigating a case of attempted murder and robbery.

Comments
  • Laamja - 2011-02-19 19:07

    There we go again....I'm considering a job at the post office...I can't live in fear anymore

      Sheda Hab - 2011-02-21 09:24

      The post office ain't safe either. Ask the family of the lady killed while working at the Balfour Park Post office. However if your skin is tanned pretty darkly then you could (maybe) stand a chance of survival. Most of these attacks - NO - all of these murdered people have been white. Oh NO hang on, a couple of white farmers have killed their workers as well. Jeez but we live in a sick society. Is it a race thing or just CRIME OUT OF CONTROL. When crime is out of control then put a guy called Cele in charge so that his police must shoot first and ask questions later. This will sort out crime???????? Ha hahhahah........was he serious or was he just trying to deflect attention from his half a billion lease deal. Obviously I am not a politician - I have confused myself. Viva Crime, no, viva ANC ...or no no no viva Egypt - you have shown us the way. Viva Libya.

      Laamja - 2011-02-21 09:38

      I'm a white girl and our farm is also a statistic. My sister was held hostage for hours while the robbers stole choclate and perfume. The difference between farm murders and murders committed in town is that your neighbours are kilometers away and can't hear you scream or phone the police for you

      exocist - 2011-02-21 09:45

      why don't farmers advertise on gumtree or in the papers for young folk who are unemployed or those living in squatter camps to come live with them on these isolated farmsteads? they can help with the farming and be armed, like a mini kibutz, and if the farmer is wealthy he could build these youngsters a small house next to his, the more people on the farm the less dangerous, it's a small price to pay for your protection and restfull sleep at night,you can even introduce guard duty at night FARMERS SHOULD START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX EVEN PUSH UP THE PRICE OF THIER PRODUCE TO COVER THESE SECURITY FINANCES then the blame for price hikes can be blamed on the goverment for not doing their duty CAN SOMEONE GET THIS MESSAGE OUT TO THE FARMERS UNIONS

      GTFO - 2011-02-21 10:56

      agreed exorcist..for the very wealthy why not get a predator drone..it slike playing hawx..except its real life...

      Mike - 2011-02-21 12:09

      @Exocist - Farmers do NOT control the price of the goods they sell - wake up!! I'll give you an example. A famrner drives his truck to the fresh produce market - when he arrives, there are a dozen other trucks selling the same thing as he is - what do you think happens to the price? Need I spell it out. He can't go home and come back next week becasue by then all his tomotoes are "frot", Exactly. Sometimes it does not even cover the cost of the diesel that got them there in the first place. My friend in Kimberley sent 5 crates of spanspek to Port Elizabeth - he got a cheque of 74 cents. Go figure. Can you now see that farming is not all glory. BUT I like your idea of employing "out of work" youngsters who could patrol at night because that is when the likes of Mal-enema (the spineless dross) strike.

      Dar - 2011-02-21 17:04

      I dont think you could compare the amount of Africans suffering because of crime to non whites they are taking the brunt of the murders, rapes and robberies its just not covered by the press as when a farmer or some rich citizen from a leafy area is on the receiving end. Crime in south Africa does not ask for race it affects everyone !!!

      exocist - 2011-02-22 12:31

      to mike, well whoever controles the prices of produce will have to wake up, soon there won't be farmers to even deliver one crate

  • lldoidge - 2011-02-19 19:08

    That is why the UN has declared being a farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous job in the world! These idiots think that food comes from suprmarkets. They just appear there! One day we will have no farmers and then what?

      Pilgrim - 2011-02-19 20:02

      “One day we will have no farmers and then what?” They will then “eat” whatever is left of the taxpayer, bones and all.

      Thangy - 2011-02-21 09:13

      @lldoidge what a lie! where did you suck that stat out of, literally talking out of you @ss!! "Fishing at sea may be the most dangerous occupation in the world, according to a United Nations report. An average of 70 fishermen lose their lives every day, says the report by the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO), published in Italy." So where did you get your information? Farmers weekly I bet!!

      cerveza - 2011-02-21 10:32

      @Thangy - While I don't agree that a farmer in SA is the most dangerous job in the world, your fisherman comment is stupid and invalid. There are estimated to be about 40 million fisherman in the world and SA has an estimated 60 000 farmers, so if you do the calculations is is still 10 times more likely for a farmer in SA to get "murdered" than for a fisherman to have a deadly "accident"

      GTFO - 2011-02-21 10:58

      thangy just went full ratard...fisherman.

      genet - 2011-02-21 13:31

      To Thangy, May I suggest you and in fact everyone read the Farmers Weekly. Because that is where you will find the truth of what is going on in this country. I think the newspapers are too scared to print anything from it. And yes, we do pay for private security at enormous cost to ourselves. This country should bow down to the farmers who feed our nation.

      aluwaninone - 2011-02-21 16:07

      although farmers are being murdered frequently in SA ... the most dangerous JOB is a fisher man.. you can't dispute stats!

      cerveza - 2011-02-21 21:21

      @Aluwa - you can if you quote the wrong stats. Yes, farmers in SA are not dying because of work related accidents but because of crime, but that does not mean that farmers in SA does not have the highest mortality rate in the world. And even if you look at world averages fisherman do not have the most dangerous job, woodcutters get the honour. Deaths per per 100 000 people per year: fisherman - 71 , woodcutters - 138, pilots and navigators - 69. All these jobs are high paying and the more dangerous, the higher the pay. South African farmers have an estimated mortality rate of 333 per 100 000.

  • ProudofPink - 2011-02-19 19:43

    Pistolepete If the majority in SA don't approve of what's going on, then how come they keep voting for the ANC? There is nothing racist about Expat's comments whatsoever, or are you too scared to admit it? If you want to see a dimwhit, look in the mirror.

      RiRo1 - 2011-05-04 16:19

      You see, it's like this ProudofPink: The ANC voters still believe to this day the ANC will fix things for them, even though the ANC leaders KNOW that it's not possible to do. If you do Economics 101 you will already know that each action has a consequence. If you up the standards of hospitals, your standards of something else will suffer... Just an example. So tell them lies over and over, they will believe it. They see that nothing is being done, but they don't know the truth of the impossibility of it. Promise them food, shelter and water and electricity... but one thing will have to go to sponsor the other... That makes them angry, but again they are lied to... You would think that after almost 20 years they will realize... but alas, no. Now I ask you, why don't they see that the W Cape is flourishing? Zille don't tell lies, she just do what can be done. She doesn't make promises she can't keep. She also doesn't want Apartheid years to come back... She was actually a fighter against it before 1994 if I remember my facts corrsectly (Correct me if I am wrong)It's something deeper than just promises then... but what? We can only speculate... Happy day!

  • Bill - 2011-02-19 19:51

    people, let's take things into our own hands.if the government cannot protect us, let us do it ourselves. and we all know they cannot. so let's mobilise.join your neighbouthood watch and protection organisations, etc. throughout the country.

      Bill - 2011-02-19 20:06

      Need more than just that Bill.....time to take a stand on this crap

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:15

      Then let's stop paying taxes (because they are meant to fund our security) too...

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 11:24

      @misterjakes hope you can just try and avoid taxes so you can get in one of our jails after SARS has stripped you of all your assets - if you have any ! ! Pollsmoor in Cape Town Westville in Durban "Sun City" in Joburg Could do you a lot of good to a person of your calibre - just some time off with persons same intelect as you - common criminals

      cynthiasteyn0 - 2011-02-21 09:06

      We need vigilantes!!! Sort out the problem BEFORE they waste our money! First they murder, then they expect us to feed and house them too!! They should have NO rights!

      Logs01 - 2011-02-21 10:48

      @VM1, and if the goverment employees "steal" our taxes (corruption, fraud, bling lifestyles, Cadre-kickbacks, tenderpreneurs, etc.) and don't use it for what it is intended for (security as one example), are they not "commen criminals"? PLEASE YOUR RESPONSE!

      theodoredeb - 2011-02-21 11:27

      Think we should organize a massive march towards Parliament in CT and Union Buildings in PTA. The time is ripe now to stage massive protests throughout the world. CNN will hopefully take note and put some serious light on this atrocity! Suggestions ??????

      cmr.insurance - 2011-02-22 11:23

      problem is then the dumb ass Gov want to close these groups down out of fear it grows and turns its sights on them. last year a very sucsessful SAP unit was closed for being to good LOL what is next. we are there for the taking always trying to disarm us and tie our hands proofs it.

  • Pilgrim - 2011-02-19 19:58

    What is Mr. Zuma, or any other empowered but unskilled Government leader doing? They reply to things such as "we will be investigating...", "we are planning...”, “we are in the process of...", and that's where it ends. This has been the trend since the ANC took power as government 20 years ago. Give the farmers back the commandos Mr. President, so that they can protect and defend themselves while trying to feed your masses, including the unemployed victims you have created.

      AllHoliday - 2011-02-21 12:36

      Agree 100% The government who are supposed to protect us are disarming us. They took away the commando's and are taking our guns away with this rediculous "arms law". WHY??? Will we end up like ZIM? http://www.thezimbabwemail.com/zimbabwe/4955.html

  • Bill - 2011-02-19 20:02

    It always has been genocide. It is time to take a stand...no more taking this bullshit!

      Bill - 2011-02-19 20:32

      I agree. we all need to stand up and so say: so far and no further. some opposition, some civil disobedience, some passive resistance. let's take the country back from these buffoons, but, lets mobilise all south africans , irrespective of race ,who want a peaceful prosperous south africa where there is a place in the sun for all AND where we look after the poor and the suffering!!!

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:16

      We want our own state

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:17

      we want our own state. Seccession!

      Brent Kotze - 2011-02-20 13:49

      @misterjakes Dude are your parents close relatives - to be specific brother & sister all your ideas are flawed and very "airy fairy". your interlect suggest serious brain damage or brain defect - only that found on inbreds and hilly billys. Do not breed man - you can pass this disease to your kids - please do not breed.

      misterjakes - 2011-03-03 15:46

      After reading through your reply, I still can't identify the argument that you're making, nor the facts that you are using to back it up. But I suppose for idiots like you it is easier to just call someone stupid to avoid highlighting your own ignorance of world politics over the last two decades.

  • Ldn Saffa - 2011-02-19 20:18

    THIS MAKES ME SICK!! This is nothing less than ethnic cleansing and Zuma's failure to either acknnowledge or address this problem virtually makes him an accomplice to these violant and murderous attacks, where in a lot of cases robbery isn't the primary motive. If one considers that Mad Bob was in power for roughly 25 years before he started eliminating farmers, you can't help thinking that Zuma doesn't appear to be wasting anytime.

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:32

      and in Kenya, Mozambique, Namibia, Angola. The land is what they want. All the terrorist groups in the mentioned countries tortured and murdered white farmers in order to create conditions where white farmers will not want to farm. The genocide of farmers is a political strategy. Read Mao's 3 stages of warfare, dominating the rural areas features heavily.

      Sailor - 2011-02-21 13:36

      Take some panadol and stop moaning. You make your bed, you sleep on it. I do not support the murders but is there something the farmers can do to elicit support and cooperation from the oppressed workers and impoverished communities around them?

      Subzer0 - 2011-02-21 17:28

      misterjakes are you serious? When was the last time you were in Namibia? Land is nor grabbed at all, they have a willing seller willing buyer initiative. Genocide are you serious? That is what happend to the Herero`s caused by the Germans..maybe you should do some research before you want to strenghen your arguments.

      william.botha - 2011-02-21 22:10

      @Subzer0-And why did the Germans turn on the Herero?

  • BigWig - 2011-02-19 20:22

    I believe Zuma and his cronies have just signed deal involving the Waterfront .Where do you think their interests are. WTF. Not with some white ass farmers thats for sue

  • Sentor - 2011-02-19 20:27

    Time to bring in the white mercenaries, this is a job for professionals.

      drewster - 2011-02-19 20:50

      And what will they do? Are you keen to see another AWB Mafikeng story? Violence very seldom prevents violence. it's interesting to note how similar the extreme blacks are to the extreme whites. As a moderate I put them all together.

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:39

      oh, dewster, so the Allies stopped genocide by pleading and appeasing? Overwhelming violence creates the conditions where people (who were perhaps not so keen on negotiating in the first place because they rated themselves as strong) are forced to sit down around a table and talk about compromise. The blacks are in government, so have every means in a democratic country to change their lot. Extreme right blacks, such as malema (yes he is rightwing - Pan-African Nationalist). All the violence from them is therefore irrational. Extreme white groups react because they, as the minorities who are meant to be afforded the same rights and opportunities as the majority, are being killed on a mass scale.

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-20 13:00

      Sentor, you idiot, You are proposing White Suicide. About 8 million whites versus more than 40 million Blacks and other races. That is not counting the millions that will come from the north to support their comrades.

      factsforlive - 2011-02-20 14:58

      @Law Abiding. Change can only happen if there is an action. No action will certainly mean no change. Freedom is an expensive commodity.

      aa gone - 2011-02-21 05:43

      to law abiding, 8 million whites!!, REALLY?

      GTFO - 2011-02-21 11:12

      technological advances have come far in warfare....thats all.

  • Matt - 2011-02-19 20:45

    The ANC their racist followers fail to realise - where will the food come from. These guys should be treated the same way the US treat the bankers

  • VM1 - 2011-02-19 21:38

    I am black and I am agianst farm murders- this is not a genocide but opportunistic bastards that look for easy prey. It is so sickening to read that we are all painted with a criminal brush. Nobody want a genocide or a war in this country esp the black folks. Chaps we re stuck - We have a rulling party that does not seem to kick butt about crime- on onother side we have an opposition party that does not talk facts but poeple. We had Cope but they could not cope. We are 80% of the population but nobody is talking to us about our vote - some are just planning to cut a CD. Why cant the opposition talk to us in th language we can understand not the "sprinkaan in my broek " koekie loekie dance that Madame Premier likes to do during election time. she need to leave the rethoric to the rulling party and concentrate on the issues like - housing, sanitation, security, equal opportunity fo all , service delivery etc. instead of going blow by blow with Malema calling each other names ( she should leave that to Steve Doffmeyer). This is so embarrasing having a leader of the opposition trading silly blows with a dimwit. When will she ever learn. All we need is someone to talk to us about the issues we know and are passionate about - then you will see the elction changing - I am not sure when we can see that. Municipal election are next - just watch the campaigns and draw youe conclusion ! ! !

      Expat - 2011-02-19 21:50

      VM1 your post both amused and moved me.

      pistolpete62 - 2011-02-19 21:54

      At last someone with sense on this blog!

      anne.somerville - 2011-02-19 21:57

      Clearly you do not live in the Western Cape !!! because , if you did, you would know how it runs ! _ iffeciently !!! Why ??? BECAUSE IT IS RUN BY A WHITE WOMAN !!!! Get the picture yet ???? You all hate people talkjing about SA when they don't live here - don't judge Helen Ziller when you live in Jhb !!!

      VM1 - 2011-02-19 22:11

      @anne Iam in Cape Town and this has nothing to do with white women - get real here anne - Helen comes from a decent heritage of Tony Leon and his ilk - have you ever heard Tony Leon trading insults with Peter Mokaba or the other youth leaders ? ? ?

      Leeutjie - 2011-02-19 22:48

      You are not black. Maybe coloured but not black, you talk too much sense.

      VM1 - 2011-02-19 23:05

      @Leeutjie I am black very black - not sure how to convince you maybe my vocabulary confuses you - there are more like me than you want to believe Most of us do talk sense but nobody ever listens because of steriotypes like yours - - nothing will ever change until the we all change- be the change you want to see - rather than expect everyone to work while you watch. Things could change for the better as long as everybody plays their part Rulling party - run the country in a clean and transparent way Opposition party - show the electorate the other side of the coin not mud slinging. Electorate - hold politicians accountable - Easy does it ! ! ! ! !

      Leeutjie - 2011-02-19 23:13

      The "not black was" tongue in the cheek. I agree, you really do speak sense. I think if the electorate start showing the anc that we are not too happy with certain things 90% of the nagative comments will end on News24 and we can start having constructive debates. Unforunately a lot of water must still run but you are right, if Cope could cope we would have had a different conversation today.

      VM1 - 2011-02-19 23:28

      @Leeutjie Yes a diffrent conversation - but where are the other politicians what happened to integrty- how come the opposition party isnot playing a role here, if they had the guts things could chage as early as this elecetion. We have seen it happen in Britain and USA when can we see it here. The white electorate expect the black to do everything why is that - eg when the petrol price increases by 1 rand we just fill our cars the night before but when it increases by 5 cents in France everyone is on the street voicing their opinion. Just shows how long we have to go !!!!

      Leeutjie - 2011-02-19 23:54

      I can only speak of myself and what i think. I will not do mass action because our life’s are still blessed. 90% of working class white people is middle class,(one car, two kids at school, maybe a house if your spouse is also working, some furniture etc) I will not put in jeopardy because I worked too hard to get that if I am not happy with my salary or the fuel price. So Ja, the whites are still surviving, some only just but the way we are taxed more and more everyday, maybe we will join the mass action one of these days. I will rather try to do some extra work somewhere to be able to survive. Now I understand, there are millions who does not even have that, and no education so they can’t get a first job, what’s to say a second. Their living conditions is deteriorating by the day and they do show the government that they are unhappy by destroying some infrastructure etc. The government listens and then ignores. How can we get the anc to get rid of guys like Jacob and get a leader (any color) that we can all respect because I can tell you, I do not respect our president because he is just a mouthpiece for the anc. He is not in control of the alliance and it seems to me he just want to get as much of his buddies into well paid positions. WE NEED ANOTHER MANDELA. Not all of us liked him but he had a lot of respect.

      Bill - 2011-02-20 08:55

      VM1 - Valid points all the way...good one!

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:49

      Then why are so many farm families tortured in the most horrible way: raped in front of their families, burnt with irons, babies wrapped in newspaper and burnt alive, old people strung up in the bath, need I go on? It is torture which points to hate! Hate points to genocide. Common sense, not opportunistic crime. Why are they not just tying people up and leaving them alive? It is so clear in front of you but yet you don't see it...

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 10:57

      @misterjakes What do you suggest we do about this situation that you cannot do yourself - please bring a solution than stating the obvious- I cannot speak for crazed criminals but I am sure that most black poeple feel the same way I do about criminals.In fact you know or would have read what happens to criminals when they ge caught in the township - a confirmed death penalty ! ! ! Do not fall into the trap of using this forum as a venting spot - not solution just problems that we all know about - make a positive contribution for yourself - your poeple and your country - to make a bright future for our kids. You want to sit back and do nothing just point @ other poeple and hope tht they will do more for you while you sit and complain about evrything I am sure you can do better than that ! ! ! !

      Kenko - 2011-02-20 13:02

      @VM1 and Pistolpete62 - I read all your comments and agree with most you say. Thing is, white people are very confused by all this. We see photos of the most violent murderers, and to our surprise they look just like the friendly Jonas who worked on a piece job for us last week. Naturally, whites will conclude that even Jonas would be so barbaric if the oppoprtunity arises (which is exacerbated by the fact that most farm murders are committed or planned by blacks known to the victims). Whites are at a disadvantage as we have to weigh every black we meet - will he attack me or not? It's easier to just believe yes, he probably will. Added to that, black murderers of white people are worshipped in their own communities. It is thus not so far fetched to believe the whole black race approve of these killings. The moment moment whites will learn to trust in the goodness of ALL people, including blacks, is the moment the black race condemn the wrongdoings of their "brothers". Whites can do that, as our history shows. Why can't the president, his ministers, followers etc? Not just on a website, but in public addresses, speeches, memo's etc? Don't blame whites for believing blacks are ignorant, voilent, untrustworthy and even stupid, because every day, something in the news confirms those beliefs. I know you are not any of the above, but why don't you preach to your fellow man, the ones that need to change, instead of those of us that need to SEE the change?

      inglorius b - 2011-02-20 14:50

      Agreed. I am a DA supporter, I have never, and will never, vote for the ANC, and I am not white! The DA has done an outstanding job in the western cape, and her fight for equal rights for all when she was a journalist, activist and member of the Black Sash, is something she can be admired for. It is sad that not many black people are aware of who she really is. The DA's strategy has got to change. It is her job to be a strong opposition and challenge everything the government does that is not to the benefit of the citizens of this country, but the DA has to rebrand in order to educate, inform and win votes from the people who suffer the most under the ANC rule!

      Mantsho - 2011-02-20 16:46

      VM1- me too I am a Black South African, l live in Free State,the murders of white famers in South Africa worries me a lot,this is brutality,l really dont understand why some good citizens have to be kiiled so bad like this,and nothing is done about it.we live in a democratic country wright?why cant we change this goverment, it is killing the people,look at the poverty,crime,unemployment,they are corrupt and heartless people,l dont want Malema in my country,he should go!!!!!!!

      pawsaw - 2011-02-20 17:18

      Helen has sprinkkan innie broek and Zuma has breeding sprinkaan in die broek and a machine gun to disperse them far and wide. Helen is rebutting the lies he tells and is improving the lives of underprivilged but she has to work on a budget given to her by the ANC who prefer spending money on pimped up BMW's and trips to the very countries they blame for their problems with their hands held out for more of the same. When I see the Govt ministers driving around in cheaper cars and cflying same class as their citizens and without all the bluelight bullies accompanying them I will vote ANC. Until then I shall vote for the party who says what they mean and means what they say and delivers despite less money. What should Helen be saying? Zuma is a sweet and charming but misguided man with no education who doesn't know how to lead from the front or the back without bribery and corruption.? Would the voters change to DA if told that? I think noyt. Do you even realise that everyone including those who receive grants in money are playing 14c in every Rand in taxes for anything that is processed? Polony, milk, etc etc (Formula milk especially). When your piccanin wants a coke or an icecream and it costs you R6.50 at least Rand of that goes back to your wonderful benefactors the ANC who get it from the middle class taxes while they go first class in every way, even eating sushi off women's bodies!

      exocist - 2011-02-20 20:34

      to VM1, but you have not given the DA a chance to rule yet, you can only critisise them if you've voted them in and they don't deliver, they have no national power to change laws for security, equal opportunities and such,you my friend like so many blacks have a white gevaar fear and will use all sorts of rhetric to keep from voting for a party with a white leader, us whiteys will vote for a black wort or a pink nipple as long as they are transparent,accountable and honest you'll be surprised how many whites voted for the anc in the first election but vote elsewhere because of the corruption and the lack of will to govern properly

      AJ - 2011-02-21 08:05

      @VM1 - a lot of what you want Madame Premier to do, she is actually doing though. And unfortunately she does have to speak up against things, as much as they might be beneath her. If she kept quiet whilst people slandered her and the party she is a member of, then people would call her 'weak' and ineffective. You cant have it both ways.

      AJ - 2011-02-21 08:10

      @VM1 - I wonder why more high profile black people dont make their support for teh DA known. There are many middle class blacks who support the DA, yet the 'big names' are nowhere to be found. The poor unfortuately need a big name to latch on to. There are a lot of senior black people in this country who are NOT ANC men by and large yet they seem reluctant to voice their approval for the DA. They playing both sides as they have a lot to lose? Where's Moeletsi Mbekie (love that man's brain!), for example, he aint voting ANC I would surmise, but he's not using his influence for good as well he might, me thinks.

      Logs01 - 2011-02-21 20:02

      @VM1, you are playing the people like a guitar and that shows me that you have intellect and wit, But Geee people, when are you guys gonna learn that you are wasting your time with @VM1? He's either a Cadre, wannabe Cadre, in a Cadre's pocket, Tenderpreneur or stupid. But Racist, arrogant, irrational in his ANC believes and enjoying your attention, definately! He will not change from the ANC for any reason, even if it hits him in the face and breaks his nose. That makes him stupid, cause any reasonable intelligent person, which he "nearly" is, knows that if you cling to a "burning rope" as lifeline, that the bloody thing is going to snap sometime!!! No party is pefect, BUT the ANC is definately the worst of the choices out there at the moment and not changing for the better any time soon. Those who cling to ANC, at whatever cost, is either "coining" it or just plain stupid and there is NO pill in the world that can fix stupidity. So let the man be!

      william.botha - 2011-02-21 22:19

      How about the "people" start looking after their own housing sanitation and jobs. It really beats me. The "people" are a pathetic useless lazy cumbersome lot. Fix your own houses. The "people" move into illegal areas, squat there while nobody asked or forced them, then crap all over the place and throw their hands up in the air and say "We are struggling, we can't live like this." For Pete's sake, get up from your lazy asses and clean up the townships, and fix what breaks yourself. The "people" get free houses, and when a crack appears in the wall, they complain about it. For f sakes man, if I got a free house, I will fix anything that goes wrong. What a pathetic bunch really!

  • Boaby - 2011-02-19 21:39

    Wrong Wrong Wrong. The brutal attacks taking place on our farms is wrong. No question. No excuses. It constitutes permitted murder. Wake up, government, and address this problem which affects your people - yes, YOUR people. Do nothing, and you prove to the world what racists you are. These are South Africans who are being attacked. The world is watching as you do nothing.

      pistolpete62 - 2011-02-19 21:56

      Another one with some sense-well said. We are South African (apart from expat). Our people not them and us!

      Leeutjie - 2011-02-19 22:53

      Not just the attacks on farmers. There is horrible attacks all over. Not long ago 6 people was slain in one family.Shot in cold blood. That is in a country with a "wonderull democracy. I can't imagine what this place will be like if there would be ethnic clashes.

      Sylar_DJ - 2011-02-20 13:07

      Boaby, i agree with you, but how long do the victims cry out before they fight back? how long will everyonr keep shouting "come on government, help us here"? How long have these farm murders been going on? Regularly for about 3 years now right, every now and then you here something from the government along the lines of "we condem the farm attacks" and then another year without any word from them or any change in policing or security. Then when the farmers fight back they better be careful because the law in South Africa is certainly not there to protect the victims, it cares more for the rights of the criminals

  • G.du Plessis - 2011-02-20 01:12

    Two facts: these farm attacks make me sick and these messages are racist and generalise about crime. Most blacks are also appalled by crime. Government needs to subsidise security at all farms. Will also create jobs.

      pistolpete62 - 2011-02-20 07:20

      Hear hear.

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 08:49

      Roger that ! ! ! !

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:53

      whether or not most blacks are appalled is not relevant. It still keeps happening and the tax-funded government is not doing anything about it. And of course, they still keep voting ANC. If your argument had a leg to stand on then answer this: why are whites then punished today for apartheid? Same type of situation: the majority against violence, but still votes for party.

      misterjakes - 2011-02-20 09:55

      roger means 'understood' and adding 'that' is bad, incorrect voice procedure...

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 11:07

      @misterjakes are you a voice procedure specialst ? ? ? where is your solution to the problems facing us - are you just here to correct our "voice precedures" get you grammar book and you procedures - while we find solutions - you must be so proud of yourself. By the way where does one get this qualification - "voice procedure" Do you have a real job !!! Eish !!! Ja nee !!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-20 13:49

      @masterjakes. I am a young 20-something, white male and I don't feel whites are overly penalised for the past. Sure sometimes it is used erroneously as an excuse and quotas sometimes prevent a suitable white person getting a job. Unemployment amongst white south Africans is lower than unemployment in the UK. Most idly white young friends have set up successful small businesses as indeed have many of my black friends. My two facts above still stand though. The countries budget deficit is shrinking so why not use extra revenue to pay for more security. Crime is the main thing that is throttling the countries potential after all. I am a paramedic and although I feel it is falling in western cape, it is still too high.

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 16:43

      @VM1, You asked for a "solution to the problems facing us": Simple. Get rid of the ANC and SA's problems are over. ___

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 17:14

      @Staal Burger Getiing rid of the ANC as a collective of blacks or including you as a South African Citizen. Why am I getting a sense that you ar excluding yourself from the problem. What will be your contribution - Why do you want to watch and do nothing Clarify that one then we can move on ! ! !

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 18:44

      VM1, Something is getting lost in translation here... 1. ANC = African National Congress. The ANC is a political party, with elected officials. As such I am talking about the ANC’s elected officials. I cannot put it any simpler than that. 2. Nothing was said- or implied about any collective group of people. 3. The ANC is still simply a haphazard bunch of terrorists. They cannot build anything – they can only destroy. E.g. former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher once said whoever thought the ANC could rule South Africa was living in cloud-cuckoo-land. 4. I have never voted for the ANC – so indeed, I AM NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM, I AM PART OF THE SOLUTION. So in fact, bro, I am doing everything but “to watch and do nothing”... On a personal note – you do sometimes show a bit of rational insight, so before you vote for the ANC again – ask yourself why you are doing it? Are you doing it to spite whites? Or are you doing it to build a country for your children and theirs? If you are just thinking about yourself and voting out of spite – the ANC will give a country that looks like Zim, Ethiopia, Liberia, Chad, etc – look at what it will look like: http://www.news24.com/AudioSlideshows/Africa/Bundles-of-bones-20110120 If however you want to build a country where the GDP/Capita is 5 times higher than it is at the moment. Make peace with your white brothers, give the ANC a fat long middle finger and vote for the only party is physically demonstrating it can govern.

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 20:23

      VM1, You can take a horse to the water... 15 Million people on social grants, the ANC suddenly in election year suddenly fixing roads, providing "jobs-for-votes-for-a-few-months-only", the toll-road/s fiasco, corruption so out of control if they address it there will be nobody left (except in the W/Cape), politicians-planet (viz ANC elite have their own law), completely dysfunctional local governments, the ANC cutting the heart of the economy out to serve AA/EE/BEE, I can carry on for days... Nothing is sustainable - not even remotely. Mugabe kom help, China's kom help, ha ha ha. Mugabe bulldozes down houses like PW Botha could only dream about, the Chinese don't talk - they drive over you with tanks - ask those who ran from Tiananmen Sq. My friend, there is no one as blind as the one who does not want to see. Don't come crying to mamma when Moeletsi Mbeki's prediction hits you between the eyes... Enjoy the last days - you have been warned!

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 21:09

      @Staal Moeletsi Mbeki is sore because his brother was president - call it sibling rivalry - now he has become a prophet of doom (his claim to fame)- go ahead and buy those tins and build those bunkers just like '94 . We will continue and go on with our lives. not scared of these things bet you wish you could say that hey Staal

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-20 22:15

      It bothers me that people think the ANC is a black party. It is multi-racial

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 12:56

      @VM1, you had me up until you started with the my people and your people bull and the I'll keep doing what I have since 94 story. You have just demonstrated that you, yourself are not willing to change and that you will continue to vote ANC even though they are slowly but surely strangling this country. I am sorry, but you have just proved to many on this forum that they are right, that you will vote ANC no matter what happens, this is a common thread in South Africa, and it is because of this that the poor are becoming poorer and the rich ANC elite are becoming richer and the small middle class is continually dwindling away. Remember, a country's bread and butter is its middle class. I am sorry my friend, you have really let me down, I was enjoying your posts up until now, I thought there was hope, I was wrong.

  • ahpretorius - 2011-02-20 03:03

    Zuma recently told Beeld that Afrikaners must find an emotional "home" or "Nkandla"... strange that Nkandla is a physical place... I guess a physical place where Afrikaners could be safe would make it too difficult to "shoot the Boer". What is Zuma's stance about singing songs about machine guns and killing Boers again?

      factsforlive - 2011-02-20 15:42

      The Anc want the leasts resistance while robbing, rape and killing us. "Mandelatopia" The believe that your attacker is your friend.

  • Retha - 2011-02-20 04:06

    Who is going to feed the people of South Africa when all the farmers have been murdered? Every person in South Africa NEEDS a farmer. Every time you buy your fruit, veggies and meet at SPAR or Checkers or Pick 'n Pay or Shoprite, say thank you for the farmer who made it possible and take a minute to reflect on the almost 4,000 farmers who were brutally murdered and their wifes and daughters savagely raped since 1994. God have mercy on Africa!

      aa gone - 2011-02-21 05:48

      GOD REALLY HAVE MERCY, BUT LET US NOT FORGET THE ATROCITIES PRIOR 1994 WHEN OUR MILITARY INVADED VILLAGES IN ANGOLA AND WIPED OUT ENTIRE VILAGES INCLUDING WOMEN AND CHILDREN TO PROTECT APARTHEID S.A. LETS NOT BE CRITICAL BASED ON RACE, OTHERWISE WE WILL JUST CREATE FURTHER HATRED. FARM MURDERS ARE HORRIFIC, SO ARE ALL OTHER MURDERS.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:07

      @aa gone - you people just don't get it, do you? Retha is talking about farmers being murdered and you are talking about what happened in the past? Are you drunk? What does this have to do with the topic? Are you saying that a farmer being murdered is no different to a normal person being murdered? Unfortunately the truth of the matter is that although one life is no better than another, the impact os a farmer being killed is HUGE compared to an ordinary citizen. A country's food security and the jobs of many are at stake when a community in general is targeted as easy prey by criminals. You have just given up your right to complain when food prices go up because there is a higher demand than supply for the food you put on your plate. MORE FARM KILLINGS = LESS FARMERS = MORE FEAR = LESS WANTING TO FARM = LESS SUPPLY = HIGHER PRICES. A country's farmers should be a valued commodity, not a disposable asset.

  • Retha - 2011-02-20 04:06

    Who is going to feed the people of South Africa when all the farmers have been murdered? Every person in South Africa NEEDS a farmer. Every time you buy your fruit, veggies and meet at SPAR or Checkers or Pick 'n Pay or Shoprite, say thank you for the farmer who made it possible and take a minute to reflect on the almost 4,000 farmers who were brutally murdered and their wifes and daughters savagely raped since 1994. God have mercy on Africa!

  • alex - 2011-02-20 08:42

    genocide

  • Galero - 2011-02-20 09:37

    If the Constitution and It's protector (ANC) cannot ensure that all citizens are safe, why do they care if law abiding citizens start taking the law into your own hands. Why use the SAPS's manpower to find the culprits who took the law into their own hands, in stead of using those same SAPS members to avoid these crimes?? I personally think that the majority of our country is sick and tired of crime, but we are not willing to stand up and say to the Government enough is enough (Do something about it or we will.)

  • towi mat - 2011-02-20 12:39

    my dear EXPAT LOL!!! you're clever man! IF YOU GOT RID OF ALL THE BLACKS THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE BLACKS TO: Clean streets.....YOUR STREETS WOULD GET DIRTY No taxis.....YOUR PETROL STATIONS WOULD GO BUST Live farmers to produce your food....NO WORKERS TO DO THE DIRTY/DOG WORK FOR YOU! AND WHO WOULD EAT ALL THE BOUNTIFUL FOOD YOU WOULD PRODUCE??? You can take down your 10ft walls, electric fencing and throw your house alarm, car alarm, burglar bars and guns in the sea....WHO IS GOING TO TAKE DOWN THE WALLS FOR YOU????? OR CLEAN UP AFTERWARDS??? Empty prisons.....NO PLACE TO LOCK UP THE ONES YOU FORGET TO ERASE...YOU KNOW THE ONES THAT GO INTO EXILE TO ZIM??!!!?? Quality health care and education.......WHO WOULD NEED TO BE TAUGHT SINCE THE WHITES ARE ALL CLEVER ALREADY!!!! Peace....WHATS PEACE WITH NO GRIEF??? Silence.....NO MORE HOUSE PARTIESS???!!PARTY POOPER!!! Paradise......HEY I NEED SOME NICE MULATO ASS AND TEN VIRGINS TOO I'm not a racsist. Just a realist....YOU ARE A GENIUS MAN!!!! PURE GENIUS!!

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-20 13:54

      Yeah expat is not helpful.

      Expat - 2011-02-20 14:17

      towi mat :) Over and above your humour (which as a South African is always appreciated) are you implying that whites are lazy? Perhaps spoilt I think, but not lazy nor inefficient. Where I live now we clean our own homes, do our own garden and white people clean streets fantastically well and deliver my post on time. The truth is that whites in SA (especially the older generation) are accustomed to higher standards than blacks, and the REASON for this was Apartheid. If there had been no aparheid the blacks of SA would be at the same level and have the same expectations and demands of high quality standards at every level

      marcell.marjee - 2011-02-21 05:38

      Eish, Melbourne is a clean place!

  • foitapoilet - 2011-02-20 12:51

    U2 are also to blame!!! They endorce Ma'lemon's singing shoot the boer. Scumbags Bono needs a hiding! Those who went to watch the concert, you are no better than the ANC cadres!!!

      cptlabourlawyer - 2011-02-20 13:11

      Well then there you said it a hellofalot of whites are bad! The concerts were the most lily white big affairs in years in this country (apart from the Buchan "might men" lot) SO in the end we are allo just plain rotten in this country.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-20 13:55

      Afriforum supported bono's comments

  • uthingo2 - 2011-02-20 14:42

    Why kill the hand that feeds you?

  • Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 16:12

    ___ To G.du Plessis and others, Bono's lame excuse was little more than a publicity stunt in itself. If he meant what he said, he would have openly condemned the farm killings - he pretends not to know Steve Hofmeyer, yet he is cast from exactly the same mould! The real question is: Where is the WEST now that SA has a murder-rate that makes Apartheid look like a picnic? The West created the out-of-control mess in SA. A mess FAR worse than what Apartheid ever was (crime, murder, rape, massive corruption, white-tax-extortion, etc) - and suddenly the West is nowhere to be found, when it has to own up to the fact that the post-'94 SA is clearly not working! ___

      Brent Kotze - 2011-02-20 16:29

      What is the source of your information ?- what has the west got to do with South Africa maybe you can give me a base for your theory.

      Topper - 2011-02-20 16:43

      Spot on Staal!!!!

      Brent Kotze - 2011-02-20 17:27

      Staal All the inteseting information - you are still not giving me your sources Is it word of mouth Is there a book I can read Is there a website that you trust for me to access not google I see you have trust issues with them. Like I said please give me your sources

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 17:28

      Brent.., No “theory” friend. FACT - Apartheid was toppled by the sanctions from the West alone. Not by MK, not by the ‘internal strive’ in SA at the time, etc, as purported by the shoddy propaganda you are likely been subscribing to. In fact, by circa 1988 the SADF was becoming stronger by the day despite the best efforts against it (eg the SADF was on the verge of taking over Angola in the late ‘80’s even though it was never the intention). Do a bit of bona fide research – eg AVOID Google, simply another source of misdirected hog-wash. The West is therefore directly responsible for a “South Africa out-of-control” as it is directly responsible for bringing the ANC to power in SA. Today SA faces a situation, where more than FOUR TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE SLAUGHTERED PER YEAR (near 32 000 per year with firearms) than ALL the people killed by the Apartheid Regime, IN FORTY YEARS!!! Note – the TRC officially tallied 7000 deaths due to Apartheid (again, over 40 yrs). And I am just quoting the murder-rate. I am actually too scared to even look at rape, etc. This is why a m@nkey like Malema is so entertaining. His infantile cognitive reasoning does not allow him the insight to grasp, the supposed “imperialists” he is condemning, are indeed the ones who gave him his “freedom”. Like a child, he is too obtuse to comprehend the facts – perhaps there are too many... The ANC is following their National Party “BAAS” letter-for-letter – it is feeding SAcans a BIG P@EP - wake up!!

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 18:10

      Brent.., 1st some perspective, The Health Ministry of the Iraqi government recorded 87 215 Iraqi violent deaths between January 1, 2005, and February 28, 2009. Ie around 22 000 violent deaths on average per annum vs 32 000 by firearm in SA, In other words, SA is essentially in a state of war – ie more people are ‘gunned-down’ than in areas regarded to be “at war” – yet there are no United Nations Officials to control-, monitor-, etc – it is simply a “free-for-all” slaughter-house... Sources, http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms http://abcnews.go.com/International/WireStory?id=7411522 According to a Human Rights Commission report submitted to the TRC in 1997 the number of blacks that died during Apartheid (1948 to 1989) was 7 000. You can get the entire report (ie volumes) from a number of sites. In summary and some additional perspective, http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=111601898698&topic=114538 Re the ‘bush war” and the West’s role in ending Apartheid: Read anything from appropriate Jane’s Defence Weekly, Harvard analyst – Jeffrey Zerbst’s report’s to the plethora of books on the topic/s (there are probably hundreds by now) – eg ‘32 Battalion’ and a dozen others on the topic (I could only afford three – go to any bookstore), Pik Botha’s book, Jannie Geldenhuys’ book, books by every other politician of the time, etc, etc. The above should emphatically demonstrate that Apartheid was stopped by the West.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:16

      Shoe Brent, I think Staal just shoved a big cork in you mouth there. Staal, excellent research, I never knew the exact stats. Good one.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-02-21 13:22

      @staal You do realise Google is a search engine and whatever sites are suggested by it are not verified by Google, don't you?? *scratching head*

      Rover_ZA - 2011-02-21 13:28

      @staal It'd be a lot easier for the West to stop a minority 'Western' government oppressing a majority than to influence a country where the majority is in power and appears to have more interest in the East than the West. The West's influence in our country has waned as our government has seemingly started following China. I hear your point, but I fail to see its relevance given the circumstances today are completely different to what you're referring to.

  • pawsaw - 2011-02-20 17:34

    @VM1 In answer to your question of where are the opposition parties? They are white and doing the job they were lected to do however demographics are such in this country that they are outnmbered in terms of an electorate which makes up 80% of the population of the country and who are constantly being brainwashed about how "Rich white people" stole etc their land. Check the number of people interms of ethnicity in this country and you will see that the African population continues to grow due to illegal immigration from the North while the opposition population remains at around 10% of that number of people. Politicians have to want to serve the majority without enriching themselves first and unfortunately they are simply copying what the NP government did with apartheid but are more dangerous because there are so many of them. Why do you not start a party with its own principles and run for Opposition? There is nothing to stop you. Cope was always going to be a no-hoper because of those who founded it as they came from the old guard who want riches and revenge before they are willing to spread the money they recieve to people unrelated to themselves. The way to send a message to the ruling party is to vote for the strongest Opposition party and ignore the also rans. Apartheid as it was will never return although it still exists in a different format. Helen has more experience and knowledge of how politics works in her small fingernail than Zuma has in his whole cabinet.

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 17:47

      Why must I vote for the opposition - why arent they talking to me ? Are they too arrogant or too high to talk to me ? What are their issues - what is their plan ? Like I said no dancing - create an election machienery that talks to the poeple - remember while doing that do not vilify anybody otherwise sympathy vote for them.

      Pink_Polony - 2011-02-20 18:16

      @VM1 – no disrespect brother; have you ever considered, they may indeed be talking to you, you may just be too arrogant to listen.

      Pink_Polony - 2011-02-20 18:51

      @VM1: Interesting tale... Respectfully – you are still NOT LISTENING. Let me try to make it a bit clearer to you, http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/YourStory/Congratulations-DA-20110121 This is the problem with SAcans – we are politically very immature. We do not understand that political parties SPEAK through their ACTIONS not their WORDS!!! Get it????

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:26

      @VM1 - Unfortunately my friend, you are the arrogant sounding one. If you trully were looking at opposition politics, you would be researching what each of the opposition parties offer. You are too arrogant to do the research yourself, you want someone to give it to you. You imply that white people are arrogant, yet your comments sound extremely arrogant to me. No-one has ever visited me or spoken to me from ANY PARTY, yet I have done my homework and have made my decision, can you not do the same? Have you made any effort to attend opposition party meetings? I didn't think so. I think the truth of the matter is that you are a hard and fast ANC supporter that is not interested in opposition politics and does not really care that the ANC is making it's poor voters poorer and it's elite richer and richer and is destroying the country's tax paying middle class.

      Anne - 2011-02-22 01:45

      VM1, are you implying with a straight face that the ANC has never villified anybody? And yes, Pink Polony and Other Justin, you are right. I have never waited for a political party to come and convince me. I do my own independent research and make up my own mind. It is my job as a good citizen to exercise my democratic right.

  • 106106sa - 2011-02-20 17:38

    It will ONLY get worse!!!Why??Because the ANC and all the revolution parties of Africa(like ZANU PF),install fear into those who threaten them.In SA it's the whites(and any middle class person..black or white), so get rid of them through FEAR!!(and simultaneous murder)....Viva la uselesssssssssss!!!

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-02-20 17:52

    I wonder if the "government" will finally wake up when we have to start importing bread and other basics from China? How many farmers will have to be murdered before they realize that the country's food security is under attack? Do they care?

  • Rugged - 2011-02-20 18:21

    Let's do the Middle East thing and go mental until Zuma stands down

      mpho maleka - 2011-02-21 09:28

      okay firstly you would need the 80%of black people to stand by you or ohterwise the sandf would,simple under the instructions of malema, destroy you. secondly if the anc wins the polls by 67% what makes you think people are unsatisfide with...dah

      Rugged - 2011-02-21 12:52

      Mpho - I hear what you are saying, but it's the blacks that are suffering most under the ANC. They promise and don't deliver and yet the people follow like sheep to the slaughter. But, let's leave it at that. We as normal citizens won't change anything by exchanging messages.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:31

      Yip, Rugged, mpho is right. The poor people in this country, even though they are getting poorer and are being raped by the government will still vote ANC even when they can't afford a loaf of bread any more. Unfortunately we are doomed in South Africa until the people of South Africa wake up to the absolute rotten dealings of the ANC and how they are destroying the economy of this, the richest country in Africa.

  • Jurick - 2011-02-20 19:42

    I think all the whites should do what is happening in the Middle East ... it seems to be working ... protest in huge numbers and let the world know what is happening to our farmers !!!!

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 19:53

      That will be the day when I will see white protesters on the street - Very proud nation even to stand up together Just imagine Some on horses - some on bakkies - will not even fill one block - as most will be sitting at home watching the process on TV (as per my buddy Staal) Then comes the General' s boys - all new uniforms and batons - could be very interesting - all those chaps who were in the mag now will feel how a baton fells like in the head - (like they used to do to us in '86). Go ahead make mmmy day I need to see this one.

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 20:35

      VM1, Be careful what you wish for. Ask any New Zeeland rugby player - there is nothing tougher on this planet than an 'Afrikaner wat die bl*ksem in is nie'. Or ask the British, a hand full of Afrikaners brought the entire British empire to its knees (when the British empire was a 100 times more powerful than it is today). They were outnumbered 6:1 and they slaughtered the kahki's. The SADF wiped the entire Angola off the map against weapons from Russia that made the Americans so scared they refused to go into combat with it. In this case the SADF was outnumbered about 100:1. Trust me my friend bring a hundred of your skinnies. If you think Bees Roux is scary, you will be on your knees, begging me - you will even give me your own TV...

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 20:59

      @Staal Show some guts buddy and confirm when the protest march will be - as for the history lesson - a few criminals scare the living daylights out of you - now imagine when dealing with chaps who do apply their minds I believe you guys believe this chosen poeple nonsense - confirm how many Brittish troops were sent here ( you shold know with you vast sources) now compare that to 43 million enough about that !!!!! start by organising a protest march - then we will see how far you can go - "no guts no glory". Just a simple one - please also confirm if it will be "blankes alleenlik" then you will see how many draadsitters you have in your camp. As for the braves that were in Angola - some went mad a long time ago - "bosbeffok " some are in Iraq making a fast buck - no family just being bombed left right and centre Whre are the young me - in London waititng on tables In my opinion a few tsostis will crush that rebelion - in a few days . I will watch on TV - maybe yours

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 21:15

      As I said - be careful what you wish for...

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 21:25

      @ Staal Enough about this man - relax pal - its not that bad on a lighter note did you see the U2 concert- what awesomeness so many poeple there having fun - I never thought that chap Bono has so much following - in our own country nogal hey . Some groups are just great ! ! ! ! ! have a nice on Staal we will tacle thes frighteniing issues tomorrow now - "more is nog a dag".

      Staal_Burger - 2011-02-20 21:39

      No problem - Ubusuku obuhle namaphupho amamnandi

      VM1 - 2011-02-20 21:49

      @Staal Skerp Staal baie skerp - I am very impressed with you language skills Gooie naand.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-21 02:26

      I don't like this aggressive talk. Work together all of us please.

      lischen021 - 2011-02-21 08:53

      Jurick,come to middle east then comment, its not working. Its just turning the whole place upside down. It sad that SA is famous for crimes, and worse, killing innocent people. 1 thing i do not regret till date is the fact that i relocated from SA. SA is still my home by birth rights but i feel more at home where i am now than SA. My sincere condolences to the family. Everybody desrves the right to live.

      Picasso - 2011-02-21 09:10

      @ G.du Plessis What did working together helped SA the past 17 years?

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:35

      @VM1, you make me sick. You are probably the biggest racist on this forum. How do you manage to stand up with the weight of that chip on your shoulder?

      Logs01 - 2011-02-21 19:48

      Geee, when are you guys gonna learn that you are wasting your time with @VM1? He's either a Cadre, wanna be Cadre, in a Cadre's pocket, Tenderpreneur or stupid. But Racist, arrogant, irrational in his believes and enjoying your attention, definately! He will not change from the ANC for any reason, even if it hits him in the face and breaks his nose. That makes him stupid, cause any reasonable intelligent person, which he "nearly" is, knows that if you cling to a "burning rope" as lifeline, that the bloody thing is going to snap sometime!!! No party is pefect, BUT the ANC is definately not the best of the choices out there at the moment. Those who cling to ANC, at whatever cost, is either "coining" it or just plain stupid and there is NO pill in the world that can fix stupidity. So let the man be!

  • carolyn.dewrance - 2011-02-20 19:46

    Time for Zuma to bite the bullet.

      Saambou - 2011-02-20 21:35

      Do you really think that would make a difference? Even if you take away all of the current leaders in the ANC, what do you think will replace them. Do you think the ANC have learned anything the last few years?

  • nyashabam - 2011-02-20 21:40

    I HOPE EVERYONE KNOWS AND REALISES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE WHITE FARMERS KILLED IN SOUTH AFRICA IN THE LAST MONTH THAN HAVE BEEN KILLED IN super duper violent ZIMBABWE since 2001 .... that's more murders in a month than in Zimbabwe in 10 years..... WOW WONDER WHICH THE SAFER COUNTRY TO LIVE IN IS????

      BigBlu - 2011-02-20 21:51

      What is your source, please. Kindly give a reputable reference for both stats - ie the number of.., 1. Farmers killed in SA in the last month. 2. Farmers killed in Zimbabwe over the last ten years. Thank you

  • gcap - 2011-02-20 22:36

    the question is this: What are South Africans prepared to do about it? It is very easy to get heated when reading an article and to state your ideals and 'fixes'. SOmeone planned a Million Man March and a few thousand turned up. My Guess is that unless we get serious about it and start protesting seriously nothing will happen. South Africans are de-sensitised and complacent. Surely enough people, black and white, could make change happen?

  • gcap - 2011-02-20 22:41

    VM1 is clearly a doos but he throws a valid point - even if by accident. But if Blacks are sick of this circus too why would anyone exclude them, this is our country, all of ours and it's time we take it back from thugs and corrupt politicians

  • redsaid - 2011-02-20 23:36

    Alberto Costa was my beloved brother-in-law. His loss is immense, not just as a food producing,job-supplying, tax-paying entity of South Africa and this government who did NOTHING to protect him or any of the other hundreds of thousands of victims here in South Africa, but as a human being. My sister is utterly bereft (and a widow mere days before her 43rd birthday). My sweet, 7-year old nephew, who pressed the panic button repeatedly during the incident, is so traumatised that he can't sleep. My 2-year old niece, who hero-worshipped her adored daddy, is looking for him everywhere and cannot understand why he isn't coming when she calls to him. Their lives have been shattered and I don't know how to help them pick up the pieces. He had so many people who relied and depended on him. But our family is just one of way too many who have to deal with this devastation. From townships to suburbs to farms... we all love the same and feel the same pain when we grieve. How much more of this senseless brutality do we all have to endure?!?

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-21 01:25

      What can be done to reduce crime I wonder. Thank-you for your tribute.

      G.du Plessis - 2011-02-21 01:26

      I am sad for you and your family. I wish the government would spend more on security and less on acquiring mines.

      pistolpete62 - 2011-02-21 06:29

      My condolences. Very sad. One life is one too many. Somehow the government is going to have to tackle this head on.

      Moi1980 - 2011-02-21 09:36

      I'm so sorry for your loss. Our thoughts and prayers are with you at this difficult time.

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 11:50

      Very sorry for your loss readsaid - I wish they could catch these spineless dogs and hand them over to a community for a good hiding & some justice. This is becoming too often now and we are becoming frustrated and helpless - I am still sure there is a lot we can do as civil society in our country. Once again very sorry for you loss.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-21 13:38

      My condolences. May God give you and the family support and guidance during this tough time.

      barkers - 2011-02-21 14:42

      redsaid, I am so humbled by your post. May you all find peace, somehow. much love and light to you all at this very tragic time.

      Anne - 2011-02-22 02:02

      Thanks for sharing this. There are no words to express the hopelessness we as ordinary citizens feel at these senseless killings which just seem to go on and on. We feel vulnerable, scared and confused. This country is not a safe place anymore and brutal violence can just erupt anytime when you least expect it. Our government does not seem to care. Instead they are again going to court to fight Afriforum for their right to sing 'Kill the Boer, kill the farmer.' They have no credibility whatsoever. My sincerest condolences to you and your family.

  • erictheclapton - 2011-02-21 02:24

    The question remains, is it worthwhile staying in this country? To hell with been a patriot. A patriot to what exactly? Lions, braaivleis and sunshine? You get shot, you are dead…Dead people. And for what, who is going to care that you where a patriot in your heart? Hopefully your loved ones will live to see another day. Who in his right mind wants to see their children suffer the trauma of violent crime in this country. It’s NOT NORMAL. This country has gone to the dogs. We all talk about doing something about it, or taking a stand. TALK TALK TALK. Nothing is ever done! Even I don’t know the answer to this. My advise if you have children and if you are able to, sacrifice your own false sense of “Patriotism” and leave to give them a better life.

  • anti crime - 2011-02-21 08:55

    After reading VM1's and others comments i really conclude this theory...before this land will get better it MUST get worse....and worse it will go believe me...it does not take much convincing for someone that has nothing to loose in a shack...days will be darker before the sun will shine again..how long it will last i dono,when will it happen i dono either..i ain't no racist...but these things will fall in place because of shower king zuma

  • tut - 2011-02-21 09:24

    And the genocide continues. Personally I think us white South Africans are cowards and we have never been more divided than we are now. The ANC know this and exploit our inability to unite against mass murder and crime! White Afrikaners in particular pay lip service to each other and there is absolutely no solidarity when it comes to combatting Government sponsored genocide. My comments will create some anger but what the hell, this is the status quo and we know it! As long as we swallow the sh#t, the slaughter will continue!

      Gert - 2011-02-21 09:37

      What can we do tut,their excuse is that we killed a lot of their brothers during apartheid,they want us to leave their country,they think we are settlers.They want to seize all our farms.We can't fight them ,the whole of SADAC and African Unions members hate us for Apartheid.Maybe the time has come to pack and go.Aparheid placed us at a difficult position to defend our selves.

      tut - 2011-02-21 10:21

      @Gert. There is a lot we can do. All it takes is some active thought process, finance and well planned collective mass action! Apartheid is the past! This is now! Enough pressure from a united front by mass action from farmers to abstain from planting crops for a season or two/business influence and the boycotting of ANC job creation plans/communities will start impacting on the ANC's credibility with other Countries (especially potential investors). Legal action, why does AFRIFORUM/whatever forum not lay criminal charges against Malema at the Hague for crimes against humanity and the ongoing wilful incitement of genocide against white farmers? We always find an excuse not to act but collectively we have enough financial muscle and intellect to raize eyebrows where necessary! We just need the balls to follow through. We also dont need the old fashioned idiotic boer "civil war type" commanders on horseback but instead clever, influential modern day activists to take a stand and send a powerful message to the world and this ignorant Government once and for all - "We have had enough of the slaughter and it stops now"!

  • MarilizeBN - 2011-02-21 09:37

    Yeah, it is strange how these ANC followers (the singers of this hate song - kill the farmers) cannot see that it is the exact same farmers that feed their bellies, provide them with food... And the saddest part off all this is, is the fact that 99 percent off all the farms taken away and given to black farmers are not producing. Unfortunately black farmers are just not that successful in producing food or at farming in general. (We can always blame the whites for that to... because everything that goes wrong for a black man is the white mans fault - so pathetic). But we can also blame the fact that black farmers dont have the knowledge and the know-how to run a farm... NOW, all the white farmers are being murdered because some fool, youth leader - is promoting hate songs. And I'm truly sorry to say this, but only fools can sing that song and actually commit that murder. SA will be like Zim in a few years. Just look at the rest of Africa! No white people are living there - WHY? Because they were killed, murdered - and just look at the state the rest of Africa is in. No food (just to name one) - probably because they killed all the white farmers...

  • exocist - 2011-02-21 09:49

    why don't farmers advertise on gumtree or in the papers for young folk who are unemployed or those living in squatter camps to come live with them on these isolated farmsteads? they can help with the farming and be armed, like a mini kibutz, and if the farmer is wealthy he could build these youngsters a small house next to his, the more people on the farm the less dangerous, it's a small price to pay for your protection and restfull sleep at night,you can even introduce guard duty at night FARMERS SHOULD START THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX EVEN PUSH UP THE PRICE OF THIER PRODUCE TO COVER THESE SECURITY FINANCES then the blame for price hikes can be blamed on the goverment for not doing their duty CAN SOMEONE GET THIS MESSAGE OUT TO THE FARMERS UNIONS

  • Baboon - 2011-02-21 10:51

    @VM1 You do realise that a few million whites found it very easy to rule 40 million balcks for many years dont you? In the end we gave you the vote....you couldnt take it on your own.

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 11:58

      you sound very angry - lets park thisone for now -

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 12:29

      @VM1 sure lets "park" the truth.

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 13:13

      @Baboon How's about early evening for you Baboon - judging by your anger the lesson will take much longer -I need a a bit of comfort when dealing with you - and maybe a cool beverage in my hand. Post something when you are done with your homework - then we can chat Remember keep it real - no foul language or unfounded remarks - I do not play in the mud ! ! ! ! ! !

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 13:22

      @VM1 Lesson? Hahahaha Im not the one who had a bantu education therefore I do not need any lessons. You on the other hand need to learn the actual history of SA and stop believing township gossip.

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 13:23

      @VM1 I know that you dont play in the mud, but you did build your hut out of it though...

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 13:37

      Baboon Forget about history , bantu education and townships that you know nothing about - but I have a clue of what you want - I will have you eating out my hand by tonight some titbits for your kind. Please confirm about early evening leave the other stuff for later.

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 13:44

      @VM1 I will try make it, but might be busy supervising my garden boy. He isnt very bright as you can imagine...

      barkers - 2011-02-21 14:02

      @ Baboon... your name says it all, doesn't it? As for your comment above, just shows your lack of education. I don't think you should be verbally sparring with VM1. He will have you for intellectual breakfast!!!

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 14:07

      @barkers I doubt that. His grasp of the English language is pretty bad. And if you admire his miniscule intellectual capacity you are as dumb as he is. Are you also a product of the bantu education system?

      Rover_ZA - 2011-02-21 14:23

      Just a thought here Baboon: On an infinite timeline the survival chances for everything drop to zero. They may not have taken it on their own but they would have eventually had the issue been forced long enough. Surely the fact that they didn't take it on their own is something good as opposed to the insult/sneer you're clearly using it as? I'm gonna back Barkers on this, VM1 speaks sense and it appears his ability to stay on topic has you utterly confused already and reaching for the next insult to cover your complete lack of perspective.

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 14:37

      @Rover_ZA You obviously have no idea of the immensity of the combined security forces pre-1994. How would they have taken it? A few badly made pipe bombs against G5 cannons, 100s of thousands of well trained troops, an airforce etc etc. Try and think before you spew your uninformed drivel.

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 14:39

      @ barkers Sounds like our primate needs a feed or a dip not sure which one bothers him the most - parasites or hunger - very fidgety and loud Still has not confirmed about tonight - guess he will be doing his homework or preening his fur. That could take a long time - At least I tried to feed this primate's hunger for knowledge

      barkers - 2011-02-21 14:53

      @Baboon, go swing from a tree. I will actually bet good money that your "garden boy" has a lot more grey matter between the ears, than you.

      barkers - 2011-02-21 16:39

      @VM1 I think our primate friend has fur balls... every time he opens his mouth, he coughs up a fur ball!!

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 19:28

      Hey primate Are you there or parked in your cave or tree. thought we could connect - but I see you ran away. I thought you could invite all your primate clan to cheer you up. guess I was wrong- no web access @ home - you just abuse work or school access (because you sound like you are still in school)

      Anne - 2011-02-22 02:12

      Baboon, you make me feel embarrassed that I am white. Your white superiority complex and judgmental attitude disgust me. Who do you think you are?

      Baboon - 2011-02-22 15:38

      @VM1 I couldnt make it yesterday, being white I was busy working...I suppose someone has to keep the wheels of industry turning while you monkies play with yourselves...

  • Shadoz - 2011-02-21 11:11

    You all realize this is why they are trying to disarm us? We will all be pretty helpless when they come for us with the weapons we paid for in the first place. I just cant understand how this is still happening? How is it that they still murder us like the cowards they are? surley we have some plan of action to stop this besides ranting everyday?

  • barkers - 2011-02-21 11:24

    @VM1... you need to start a blog. I, for one would read it. You are clearly the most intelligent commentator here!

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 11:57

      Will make a plan about that thanks

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 12:28

      And you are clearly the most retarded reader.

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 14:35

      @ barkers Sounds like our primate needs a feed or a dip not sure which one bothers him the most - parasites or hunger - very fidgety and loud Still has not confirmed about tonight - guess he will be doing his homework or preening his fur. That could take a long time - At least I tried to feed this primate's hunger for knowledge

      Manningi - 2011-02-21 14:47

      But VM1 does not want to really consider change so what is the point?

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 14:50

      @VM1 Please do not confuse knowledge with the propaganda that the ANC has forced into your primitive brain. If you want to see how capable black people are, just have a look at the rest of Africa...The facts speak for themselves. Unless you can show me a thriving African country where people have long life expectancies, low unemployment, high productivity etc. If you cannot then stop babbling. You are making a fool of yourself.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-02-21 15:13

      @Baboon It almost seems like you think colonialism and its after-effects had a small, insignificant impact on the continent which should've been overcome after a year or two. You really are taking a 30-minute view on a 50-year problem.

      Baboon - 2011-02-21 15:21

      @Rover_ZA Ethiopia was never colonised. Thats why it is the most impoverished country in Africa. Colonisation was the best thing to happen to any African country. Without it they would have even less infrastructure. Please try and use your brain before commenting.

      barkers - 2011-02-21 16:21

      @VM1 I think our primate friend might have furballs!! every time he tries to say something intelligent.. he coughs up a fur ball!!

      VM1 - 2011-02-21 18:04

      @barkers Where is that primate now ! ! ! It's time for his lesson if you spot him somewhere direct him to the side.

      Anne - 2011-02-22 02:14

      The fool here is you, Baboon. You are just something else.

      Baboon - 2011-02-22 15:39

      @Anne and you are one of thoes ugly fat white women that cant get a decent white man...

  • theodoredeb - 2011-02-21 11:27

    Think we should organize a massive march towards Parliament in CT and Union Buildings in PTA. The time is ripe now to stage massive protests throughout the world. CNN will hopefully take note and put some serious light on this atrocity! Suggestions ??????

      unbeatabulls - 2011-02-21 12:05

      theodredeb, get real this is AFRICA, the only thing working in AFRICA is ( civil war)..... this is imminent.....

      Verbatim - 2011-02-21 13:06

      @unbeatabull(shit) - And who will fight in this war? The ANC and ? There are too many hands in too many pies in this democracy of ours, the whites will still be killed , the blacks will still screw their own people out of everything they have so they can drive merc's and live in estates.

  • Sparks_Spark - 2011-02-21 12:20

    Guys and Gals - You wasting your time and efforts making comments. Either your comments are sensored and removed or you are acused of being a racist. Nothing comes of our comments made, other than pushing your blood pressure up and becoming enraged by silly comments etc.

      neilwvr - 2011-02-21 15:02

      Oxymoron!

  • nuclear - 2011-02-21 13:25

    & how many other 'attacks' per day? Are we not Christian enough for you CDP?

  • bvravest - 2011-02-21 13:32

    Crime pays: Here are the facts.... Example 1: Take just one million home owners in Gauteng who pay for "armed crime reaction" (not crime prevention) where private security companies react AFTER the crime has taken place - no wonder they never make any arrests! This service costs on average R250 p.m. Therefore 1,000,000 x R240.00 x 12 months x 14% VAT, generates R403 million in tax revenue for the SA Govt! Example 2: A car thief steals a R500,000 car and receives between R10,000 and R30,000 for his deed. The car owner is paid out by insurance and then purchases another similar vehicle, on which he pays 14% VAT of approx R70,000 as a direct result of crime. Who profited the most? The thief or the SA Govt? We must begin with a mechanism whereby the SA Govt is forced to reconsider this unconstitutional and immoral practice of profiting from crime! All South Africans should demand that all payments related to protection of life and property should be VAT free and Tax deductible! This principle should also apply to replacement of stolen property as well as estate duty. If a person dies as a result of crime we should also demand that estate duty not be paid. How much do you think the SA Govt. has made out of estate duty from the murders of 1300 South African farmers? The S.A. Govt likes to compare us to overseas. Well overseas your safety and security is covered by your income tax and is tax deductible! It is time that South Africans stood together and made the Govt. and public aware of the Govt's "income" from crime. In the meantime crime is the goose that lays the golden egg. Is it also not unreasonable to expect victims of violence and hijackings to pay their own medical costs? The Govt. should pay for these expenses as well as family counselling for victims! Come on South Africa, ask the right questions and demand the right answers!

  • neilwvr - 2011-02-21 13:33

    It's plain and simple... This is nothing new. They are just getting the foundations ready for the NEW Z!m8@8we. E=MC2 (Existence = Maintaining Control). 5 Simple Steps to Extinction: 0 Farmers = 0 Farms = 0 Crops = 0 Food = (Z!m8@8we is somewhere here) 0 Life = Extinction!

      barkers - 2011-02-21 14:04

      wow! where did you learn math??

      Manningi - 2011-02-21 14:53

      Impressive!!

  • Hardened - 2011-02-21 14:53

    Farmers defend yourselves ,its your basic human right , and constitutional right as written in the Freedom charter. "KILL THE TOTSI KILLING THE BOER "

      Picasso - 2011-02-22 07:19

      But then they'll be called racists.

  • Hardened - 2011-02-21 15:14

    Farmers start defending yourselves , its your basic human right .Everyman has the right to life , its a few thugs taking advantage of a song that was in my opinion never meant to be taken literally. Especially not 17 years after independence , new words to song "kill the Tsosti ,killing the farmer."

  • Hardened - 2011-02-21 15:36

    Farmers start defending yourselfes , its your basic human right

  • The horse - 2011-02-21 16:13

    The opposition parties should really start to raise the issue on farm killing as needing urgent attention, they can't just sit in paliement daily and not force the so called rulling party to do nothing at all. The leadership in ANC is no longer what the party stood for hence we saw some members resigning from the party in the past. There used to be so much intergrity but now only power hungry and arrogant people are put in positions of power. Everytime i read about the farm killings it breaks my heart, beacuse i grew up on the farm, the farm used to be good and used to take care of his employees. like i said before farmers should for now get some trustworthy workers and train them as security personeel on their farms, it should be made catergorically clear that those tresspassing on the farms especially at night would be shot and killed, let us all peace loving SA citizens stand and say enough is enough, let us match agaist the farm killing instead of silly matches we have seen in the recent past. the egyptian people brought the country to a stand still to have their voices heard, why can't we do the same. we must first start with a peaceful match to the ANC to declare farm killing a priority needing urgent attention.

  • mikey.kilpatrick - 2011-02-21 16:41

    I feel for the Stellenbosch family and all other families who've lost loved ones all over our country - but I still fail to see how a "farm murder" ranks, in any way, more highly than a black-on-black murder in Khayelitsha or Nyanga. Where's the "racial" motive in a black-on-black, coloured-on-coloured, etc, murder? Doesn't it always come down to some brainless thug thinking: "This person is wealthy, I am not, therefore I can take by force something I did not earn?" Does any thief anywhere honestly see anything beyond WEALTH TO BE TAKEN (regardless of the job of the person being targeted?)? Murder is murder, and disgust at senseless murders should be equally applied. I am unable to value a farmer's life above that of, say, a domestic worker who struggles to raise her children on three days a week's work. Along with unable to, I simply refuse to. Because the one is NOT more important than the other, and I equally condemn ANY murder in our country. I have marched for an end to violence in our country, and I will continue to do so, but I will never march for an end to CERTAIN murders.