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2 arrested for brutal Dullstroom murder

2012-02-24 11:41

Mbombela - Two men who allegedly tortured and beat a 78-year-old woman to death at her home in Dullstroom have been arrested, Mpumalanga police said on Friday.

Lieutenant Colonel Leonard Hlathi said the men, aged 33 and 34, were arrested on Thursday night after they were found in possession of a digital camera and money belonging to the woman.

They would appear in the Belfast Magistrate's Court on Monday.

Johanna Moore's body was found by her gardener when he reported for duty on Thursday morning.

"The gardener told the police that upon [his] arrival, he went inside the house to get cleaning equipment. He then noticed blood on the floor and saw his employer lying in a pool of blood," Hlathi said.

"The victim had visible injuries on her face and burn wounds on both arms. It is suspected that an electric iron was used to assault her as it was found next to the body."

A South African of Norwegian descent, Moore had lived in Dullstroom for 22 years and ran a flower nursery there.

Comments
  • Typersa - 2012-02-24 11:46

    Mmmmm, now we will find out if they are black or white...... Waiting for all the guys from the previous post to reply here

      wendy.olivier - 2012-02-24 11:50

      Lol - yeah me too! However, the racist card is always drawn - wonder why?

      Grimmister - 2012-02-24 11:59

      I did not post in the previous thread...but here is my thought..WHO GIVES A CRAP WHAT COLOR THEY ARE...the barbaric act is the topic of discussion...and throwing race into the equation is by no means working towards a viable solution...So instead of posting a load of rubbish...give me a constructive solution to the problem.

      David - 2012-02-24 12:01

      Hang them high no matter what colour they are!

      Marion - 2012-02-24 12:13

      Who the f**k cares what race they are? They murdered her, plain and simple.

      Jako - 2012-02-24 12:18

      stop dreaming that race doesnt matter

      procold2 - 2012-02-24 12:25

      good work SAP, now let them escape and shoot them dead.

      Sean - 2012-02-24 12:52

      It really doesnt matter whether the perpetrators are black or white. We need to unite as a people of South Africa and force the government to clamp down on all crime. There has to be a zero tollerance towards crime.

      Willie - 2012-02-24 13:02

      We wasting time there is a cheaper solution.Give them free tickets to China with a bags full of cocain

  • wendy.olivier - 2012-02-24 11:50

    Yes! Glad to hear they have been caught - revenge is sweet boyz!

      Jako - 2012-02-24 12:19

      revenge is sweet? they will walk in under 5

  • Jeanne - 2012-02-24 11:51

    May justice take its course for these two inhumane savages. Hope they receive such severe victimisation and assault in jail for preying on the defenceless!!!!

  • duggancraig - 2012-02-24 11:54

    The colour issue aside, if these are in fact the culprits, it's sterling work from the police boys ... Although this is really a terrible tragedy, it does help a little if at least SOMETHING good can come of it! Well done (so far) SAPD! RIP Johanna Moore.

      Typersa - 2012-02-24 11:56

      Agreed, hope they will rot in jail..

      Marion - 2012-02-24 12:15

      I agree with you @duggancraig. The cops seem to be moving quite quickly these days when it comes to catching perpetrators of such heinous crimes. Thumbs up to the SAPS.

  • melissa.jarvis2 - 2012-02-24 11:56

    They should receive the same treatment as they imposed on her. an eye for an eye

  • Gavin - 2012-02-24 12:01

    The government has announced that the R895 trillion infrastructure spend will be on prisons.

  • tmaphosa1 - 2012-02-24 12:02

    congrats to the SAPS for arresting the evil guys. they do not deserve bail at all. hopefully they rot in jail.

  • Sharon - 2012-02-24 12:02

    What this poor woman had to endure is dreadful, and unimaginable. Burnt with an iron?? RIP, dear lady, these monsters wil get what they deserve, in this life and the next.

      Marion - 2012-02-24 12:31

      The other day I briefly burnt my fingertip with a match flame. It burnt like hell. Even sitting with my finger in a bowl of cold water that little bit of pain lasted at least half an hour. Her pain must have been sheer agony. RIP.

      Alan - 2012-02-24 14:14

      @ Marion. Time to give up smoking.

  • Janice - 2012-02-24 12:02

    Glad they got the ba*tards, I dont care what colour they are!!!

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-24 12:10

    When will we get everyone's DNA on a database? Surely this will help in identifying criminals positively? It will be very satisfying to deal with someone, who you know without doubt, committed acts as heinous as this.

      Colin - 2012-02-24 14:25

      we could generate a database, but in this country it would probably get stolen.

  • SGL - 2012-02-24 12:12

    Well done SAPS! Now how about bringing back the death penalty! Our beautiful country does not need scum like this inhabiting it.

      Douglas - 2012-02-25 08:20

      @ Marion - race is very relevant in this country. As a white person I am sick and tired of the government et al using the terms "white" to justify their actions and inept management of the country.And don't delude yourself the cops aren't coming down heavy on violent crime. For every case like this where there is a quick arrest there are maybe others where they are clueless.

  • Chanel - 2012-02-24 12:14

    Please give me an example of any white men murdering black farmers or any white men torturing and killing a 78 year old black woman in the last year and I will no longer have racist feelings.....

      Jako - 2012-02-24 12:22

      only the modimolle monster, but he couldnt get 3 whites to help him, so he asked the first blacks that walked past.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-24 12:31

      Jako: and there you hit the nail on the head; the guy IS certifiably insane. So: one officially insane white guy commits a heinous crime in a year, whilst how many 'normal' black guys commit how many ultra-violent crimes?

      Karri - 2012-02-24 13:03

      Waterkloof 4? Andrew Jordaan - thankfully recently murdered in prison - for raping and murdering 7 yr old Sheldean Human and tossing her down a manhole! The guy who kidnapped and raped and murdered and set fire to Louise De Waal? _ don't know his name but I believe he is white... The Chanelle Henning murder? I'm sure that given time I could come up with many more. This was savage - but crime affects every law abiding citizen in this country.

      Garth - 2012-02-24 13:10

      The request was, for an example of a similar crime committed in the past year by white men on a 78 year old black woman. And what do you idiots come up with? White on white crime, white serial killers - whose victims were predominantly white and none of whom used an activated clothes-iron to beat a defenceless old lady to death. So, my question to Jako, Pandora, Felix and Cheryl is: what or who are you protecting with your racist defensiveness?

      Marion - 2012-02-24 13:11

      Some people have nothing to offer to any discussion / debate other than totally racist comments. Your unfettered racism will be passed on to future generations. No doubt you are proud to make that an integral part of the legacy you leave your children.

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-02-24 13:44

      @Chanel. Do not presume to know what i have and have not been affected by. Just because i am not racist does not mean that i live in a cave. You assume that we would just have to turn racist if we have been robbed by a black man? i have been robbed at gunpoint twice, both by black men, my 15 year old sons were also both robbed at gunpoint - by coloured kids. i spotted a black man in my garden trying to break into my car. I don't hate all black people because of this. That would be stupid and childish. Who do you think helped after those robberies? Black policemen, thats who!!!

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-24 13:48

      If you read more Channel and not selectively you will have a lot of these examples. The difference being that whites do not kill balck farmers because there are virtually no black farmers (inform yourself about the land question)...instead it is white farmers killing black farm workers...setting their dogs on them ect ect ect.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-24 14:07

      To the namers: see Garth's comment above; if you want to give names, do so in a South African contexts, firstly, and secondly any where the victims were black. To those who call Chanel, myself and others here racist: since when is calling a spade a spade racist?? Speaking for myself, I have (as far as I can remember, please correct me if I'm wrong) never had anything to say against the general population of black people. I completely agree with most people here that the perpetrators make up a small part of the population, however this does not retract from the fact that these crimes are an organized, systematic attack on one racial group.

      Keelvol - 2012-02-24 14:21

      jaco - let asb op in die klas. WIT man wat SWART vrou mishandel en brand met strykyster.

      Akal - 2012-02-24 14:54

      @chanel, @heibrin By you saying that the criminals are just targeting whites, is a blatant slap in the face to the all non-white victims of crime in SA. Tell that to the black family in our area that was killed and daughters raped, the black doctor also in the area that was shot at point blank rage, my father that barely survived 9 weeks in ICU after an attack, a girl in school with me who was raped at 15, my Indian neighbour that was robbed and had his insides removed, or a young girl from my home-town that was thrown off a bridge!!! So that never happened right?????? You people make me sick in the same way these criminals make me sick.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-24 15:07

      @ Chanel hey dude keep your racist feelings thy are yours to own,nobody will try convince you otherwise,voetsek

      Heibrin - 2012-02-24 15:10

      @Akal: *sigh* I never said that it doesn't happen. I said that the level of violence, the intent behind the crime, and the numbers in comparison to other groups are out of proportion. Is that simple enough for you?

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-24 15:13

      @ Akal they know that all that happens but those incidents sis not happen to white people so they were acceptable,it only becomes a crime if the victim is white,infact if the victim is white it goes beyond a crime it's an abormination. I too have been a victim of crime but I'm black so it's irrelavent so i wont bother talking about it.

      JJ - 2012-02-24 15:15

      @Heibrin if you're going to call a "spade a spade", then call the criminals what they are CRIMINALS. Don't paint all black people with that same brush.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-24 15:33

      @ Heibrin the only thing that's simple here is YOU. So tell us,what in your scholarly opinion are the number? Are you suggesting that there are more whites being killed than black people or any other race? and you wanna talk about intent behind the crime? the intent is simple pure evil and nothing more. You also mentioned somewhere that even though the amount of coloured being killed is higher it's okay becuase it's coloured on coloured violence,do you really think about what you type? You just gave merit to whta I said all along,people like you feel that it only qualifies as a crime if it's against a white person if not then it's just another mishap right?

      Heibrin - 2012-02-25 07:36

      @JJ: Did I ever say all blacks are criminals?? Those who murder, in this manner, are racially motivated. That is what I said. @Elle-Black: 1. Point out where I said coloured-on-coloured violence is ok, I dare you. Nowhere did I make any such statement. 2. I never said more whites are being killed than blacks either. Re-read my commnets, maybe you'll understand then: It's about the percentage of whites being killed against the total white population. See the word percentage?? Let me use a simple example: Let's assume the total number of murders per year is 30000, of which 20000 are black victims, and the rest constitue the other races. The total population of blacks is, for arguments sake 40 million. Therefore 0.0005 percent of the total black population. If the total population of the other races are 10 million, then the percentage is 0.001, or double that of blacks! I'll be the first to admit that no-one (appart from high-ranking police members and ministers) knows the exact numbers of murders per race group, and the numbers given here are estimates, so you are more than welcome to refute me with real numbers, if you can find them. 3. You state that the intent is pure evil. I don't disagree that the actions are pure evil, however we're not dealing with a bunch of satanists, are we?? If someone shot, then robbed of all their belonings, it is also an evil act, but the intent is robbery. If someone is TORTURED to death, and hardly anything stolen, is the intent still robbery?

      Denise - 2012-02-26 11:29

      In the last 17 years there have only been 5 reported white on black hate murder cases in comparison with almost 18,590-documented hate murders on white people. In 71% of all of these murder cases it was the soul intent by the attackers to exterminate the whole family - husband, wife + kids - this pattern you don’t find amongst blacks killing blacks.

  • Garth - 2012-02-24 12:16

    RIP Johanna Moore. It is my hope that your surviving relatives in Norway, are of the same ilk as Anders Breivik and that they are on their way . . .

      Karri - 2012-02-24 13:46

      OMG - you're an idiot....Anders Breivik murdered innocent ppl. What are you hoping the likes of him would do here? Your parents should not have bred!

      Garth - 2012-02-24 14:25

      I am an idiot? You, with a animation of a white woman as avatar name me as an idiot. You, a snot-nosed little disciple of sms-speak label me an idiot. You, who are too young to know anything about anything except the contents of your nose after the last picking, you speak about my parents as having `bred'. You mindless little post apartheid ignorant.

      cheryl.kristiansen - 2012-02-24 14:48

      @Garth. Some anger problems there Garth? A little sensitive are we?

      Garth - 2012-02-24 15:26

      @over-the-top-liberal-cheryl - Only when named as an idiot by an ignorant. I do not appreciate little comments from little minds being directed at my posts. If the comment is intelligently critical, then I will accept the criticism and do whatever I like with that same. But when the comment is posted by a cretin, then no, I do not have to accept it. Now, if the stupid fossores naso had been intelligent enough to glean the meaning of my post, I would not have minded its comments. But it does not have the intelligence, do you?

  • Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-02-24 12:20

    Good! Now hang them!! No respect for life which includes their own so they won't mind dying for what they did. Why shouldn't the punishment fit the crime? They should die the same way they murdered..

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-24 12:32

      Hanging is too good they must suffer the same fate

  • SJ - 2012-02-24 12:24

    Surely this will be used as motivation by people like Frans Jooste. How sick a society is this new RSA not.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-02-24 13:09

      They were always sick people in this country, not new at all.

  • David - 2012-02-24 12:25

    Well done SAP. Looks like things are starting to improve with cathcing thses idiots. Just hope the courts do the right thing and put them away for good. Maybe their cellmate will iron them out.

  • Jan - 2012-02-24 12:25

    Hang the b*stards!!

  • Abel - 2012-02-24 12:28

    Thank you SAPS

  • crazyjourno - 2012-02-24 12:30

    Lekker! Kom ons hou asem op vir die hofamptenare om hul werk so noukeurig en spoedig moontlik te doen! En, asb, kan die DOV-kantore net n bekwame staatadvokaat aanstel! Baie sake word verloor a.g.v. staatsadvokate wat onervare is en nie die regte vrae kan vra nie. Hierdie is n skedule ses oorstreding! Hoor die saak in n hoërhof aan! Moord en roof met verswarende omstandighede...

  • Jannie - 2012-02-24 12:33

    With these barbaric actions one is inclined to wonder if the race card does not play a role. Only difference these BASTARDS ONLY ATTACK DEFENSLESS OLD WOMAN

  • linelle.vanantwerpen - 2012-02-24 12:36

    I hope it is now safe to go spend a night at this tourist attraction place..

  • Pat - 2012-02-24 12:37

    So want the death penalty back! Jail is too good for them

  • charmaine.mong1 - 2012-02-24 12:37

    Bring back the death penalty this is brutal hopefully they will get manhandled in jail, no excuse for this.

  • Klaus - 2012-02-24 12:38

    As death penalty seems to be not ok, my demand as follows 1, Life & i mean life with HARD LABOUR, no benefits ever, you work your set quota, you will receive equal food 2, No privacy in cell, cell / bed used in 2 x 12 hour shift, occupation of bed / cell on strict rotation 3, waiting for better or similar suggestions Re 1, maybe needs to be locked up until age 78 minimum , as murdered victim

      anton.cameron.muller - 2012-02-24 12:55

      My suggestion is just to release them to the community, and provide a 30 minute 'amnesty' from prosecution for actions taken by the community members during this time.

  • Doris - 2012-02-24 12:41

    Well done SAPS - excellent work! I hope the perpetrators rot in a physical and mental hell for the rest of their miserable lives and beyond.

  • Ndivhuho - 2012-02-24 12:43

    Im glad that they have been caught. It seems like our police are getting somewhere slowly. Rest in peace Tannie.

  • Peter - 2012-02-24 12:50

    Bring back the death penalty!!!

  • Janet - 2012-02-24 12:55

    Hand them over to the public!

  • Marion - 2012-02-24 12:56

    @Jako... maybe race matters in your mind... it certainly doesn't matter in mine...

      looneylani - 2012-02-24 13:02

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Love-South-Africa/328912590493182

  • Chris - 2012-02-24 13:04

    If these two individuals are indeee the murderers of this elderly lady, THEY SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH BY HANGING. I am unable to express fully how appalled I am at this act. There is NO excuse for this. Jailing them will not be considered by the majority of South Africans, as seeing justioe being done. A culture of brutality and cruelty has been growing and is still growing, whereby excessive violence and force is carried out on their victims. And we are being ordered to accord these individuals the same rights that they have denied to their victims. These murderers need to be given a life lesson. Jailing them has not got that effect. Christopher

  • Mike - 2012-02-24 13:05

    Wow! Have to say the cops are getting their man time after time. Well done!

  • Michael - 2012-02-24 13:06

    RIP Moore, This is hate crime. because of this and trauma white people will roll up their windows when a black man approaches, call the dogs when a black man walks up to their gate, creating more racist blacks who commit deeds that creates more racist whites.the black man has the upper hand when he has broken into a helpless white ladies house, he can now unleash all the hatred, violently. the cycle continues, until we learn to live with each other.

  • Steven - 2012-02-24 13:08

    I don't want to bring race into the picture, but it makes me wonder why ALWAYS it is only black people who commit such barbaric acts??? why do they have to torture people is such a manner? whites also commited crimes, but hardly ever put a person through so much torment and suffering! it is totally sick man!! look at how BRUTAL farm murders are always carried out, rape where they cut the genitals off the woman, I can go on and on. when they upset or angry, they run amok and kill each other and burn down anything they get their hands on!! whites also behave badly yes I agree, but we don't go around doing such sadistic barbaric acts such as these!! and NO, I am not racist, I have many black guys working for and with me, and we have a solid good relationship, but when things like this happen, it just makes me shake my head and wonder how and why!? not even my dogs carry on as savagely as these guys.

      Eric - 2012-02-24 14:09

      True its always blacks who do these things like the ones that tortured Steve Biko and the ones that dragged a worker behind the bakkie.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-24 14:30

      Remind me again Steven....The kids who burnt other kids in a satanic ritual case were what race? They set them on fire whilst they were alive...or did you not read the story or do you not watch the news? People like you really need help.

      Michael - 2012-02-24 14:30

      hmm my comment was deleted, here goes again; white ppl did their share of barbaric deeds in the medieval times, dismemberment by horses, heads on a stake, lyinching, burning witches list is too long.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-24 14:40

      This desperate need for the majority of white south africans to always use black people in order to see themselves in a better light speaks of a white society with an extermely damaged psyche. Surely there are other ways in which you guys can feel better about yourselves. To me these pages also show how difficult it is for white people to face up to the country's past.Hence the need to constantly reassure themselves...we are good people not like the blacks who...(choosing not to face facts like the bethal massacre..bodies of black farm workers lying across fields adn fileds of potaoes...the SADF camping in townships and shooting down defenceless school children, the torture suffered in jails across the country Steve Biko being one of the most famous victims...) Apartheid was not so bad peaople will write with audacity on these pages ...even black people loved it..ect ect ect. You can continue to fool yourselves...but enough black people survived who know exaclty what they suffered during apartheid. But it is not them that are filling these pages with hate...even Mandela who spent the best years of his life in prison does not wake up every mornign to spew racist crap.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-24 14:49

      No Michael...Whites are still doing barbaric deeds today as well. As well as Chinese, Indians and Blacks ect.

      Michael - 2012-02-24 14:52

      Nkulekweni - I made a post answering stevens question, i just put down a few barbaric deeds from whites and it was deleted. Instead of moving forward as a people we are quick to point fingers and incite hatred

      Brett - 2012-02-24 15:46

      @Nkulekweni you keep going on about Apartheid. I wish the ANC government would treat the whites the way the Nats treated blacks during Apartheid...build schools for us, build hospitals for us, build univesities for, give us homelands send the army into our areas to protect us...give us free medical care...

      Heibrin - 2012-02-26 16:21

      @ Nkulekweni: This desperate need for the majority of BLACK south africans to always use white people in order to see themselves in a better light speaks of a black society with an extermely damaged psyche. Surely there are other ways in which you guys can feel better about yourselves? To me these pages also show how difficult it is for black people to face up to the country's past.Hence the need to constantly reassure themselves...we are good people not like the whites who...(choosing not to face facts like the Saint James Church massacre..bodies of white civilians lying across the churches benches...MK hiding in townships and shooting down defenceless civilians, the torture suffered in ANC deathcamps across Southern Africa...) the new South Africa is always better than what the Apartheid South Africa was people will write with audacity on these pages ...even white people loves it..ect ect ect. You can continue to fool yourselves...but enough white people survived who know exaclty what they suffered during apartheid. But it is not them that are filling these pages with hate...even Mandela who spent the best years of his life in prison does not wake up every morning to spew racist crap. Easily turned coin.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-26 16:29

      @Nkulekweni: and remind me again, by which race was Maki Skosana killed? She was tortured before she was necklaced. I wonder who needs the help?

  • Susan - 2012-02-24 13:17

    The sad reality is that all too soon they will be released from the overcrowded prisons, and by then there will be so many other similar cases, that no one will even notice.

  • looneylani - 2012-02-24 13:24

    funny... then lunch comes and you all go and stand in the same queue to buy your lunch at KFC / McDonalds or wherever... and complain about the service!

  • holls.ann - 2012-02-24 13:34

    Black, white, green, yellow justice needs to be served! Disgusting excuses for a man, human or any kind of being! I hope the right thing is done here...

  • malvina.vanbreemen - 2012-02-24 13:43

    Hmmm. Last time I heard about a serious crime similar to this, it was Waterval Boven and the perp was the Chief of Police's son! Wonder if he's still in jail...........

  • Stray - 2012-02-24 15:40

    This is the kind of barbaric crime that sows hatred in the heart. Look at the outrage expressed in comments. If there is a devil, he'll be rubbing his hooves in glee at the hate and division that this mindless brutality have sown among us. I hope justice takes its course and that the murderers never walk free again.

  • Thokozani - 2012-02-24 16:54

    give those cops a bells

  • aarif.adam - 2012-02-24 17:21

    Hi Everyone. Would you guys be keen on doing a vote for the death penalty? Or alternatively a petition to be given to the government. Although its a sore topic, we must consider the option..

  • Leisa - 2012-02-24 23:45

    COlour is not the question .. What these two men did was wrong and they took a life.. When is this country going to get the guts and say enough is enough and bring the death penality back.. A person that steals a car get a higher sentence than a person that commits a crime of murder.. Why?? Is it that we as the people say our car is more important than a life regardless of colour .. Lets stop kidding ourselves and stand up for what is right and what is wrong.. Now we must hope that god punishes thes guys to a life of bitter hell..

  • Julie - 2012-02-25 04:14

    According to the report in BEELD, one of the perps was already out on bail for breaking into Ms. Moore's house earlier...

  • phillip.havenga - 2012-02-25 07:28

    I hope these two bastards get sodomised daily in prison and treated like the filth they are.

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