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2 found dead after wild party

2012-01-25 10:24

Durban - A wild party at Sheffield Beach near Ballito in KwaZulu-Natal has resulted in the deaths of two young people - allegedly after they took contaminated drugs.

The bodies of Gareth Kyle, 29, and Camryn Coetzee, 29, were found in a flat early on Sunday morning. A third person is fighting for his life in hospital, reported the Daily News.

Both bodies had multiple puncture marks on their arms.

The three were at a private party in a flat where large quantities of drugs and alcohol were allegedly consumed. More than 20 friends had apparently met up, swimming at the pool in the complex before having drinks and a braai.

Police found used syringes, alcohol and a small quantity of drugs.

A witness said Kyle had withdrawn money and met someone to allegedly buy drugs, but this was questioned by his foster brother, Tony Coetser, who said Kyle did not take drugs. He has hired a private investigator to look into Kyle’s death.

It was expected that a toxicology report would confirm that the drug that had killed Kyle and Coetzee was contaminated cocaine.

Police have opened inquest dockets.
 

Comments
  • jhavenga1 - 2012-01-25 10:36

    Nothing good ever comes from USING DRUGS !!!!! Dont these people know this by now !!!!

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:24

      They should have known this 16 years ago when they were 13. If they didnt then we blame their parents,guardians and schools they attended.

      sachasea - 2012-01-25 13:43

      Yet another tragic result of the failed 'War on Drugs' and prohibition. If drugs were legally available from pharmacies the purity could be standardised and guaranteed. No one would have to die. But the government chooses to keep them illegal so lives will continue to be lost. Taking drugs is part of human nature. We ALL take drugs of one form or another, to deny that is to be a hypocrite of the highest order.

      Merven - 2012-01-25 14:04

      Isn't Cocaine suppose to be snorted, and Heroin injected?

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-01-25 14:20

      @sachasea: This has got to be the most insane suggestion ever, legalise drugs so you can control purity and standards??? WTF are you on?!!

      sachasea - 2012-01-25 14:29

      I'm on life if you must know. I am interested in saving lives not destroying them. As I said before many people will continue to take drugs regardless of the laws. As a caring citizen and compassionate human being I believe that government may as well do the responsible thing, which is to A) Educate people properly and adequately regards the dangers of drugs and B) Provide legally obtainable and strictly regulated drugs of the highest purity to encourage as safe an experience as possible. From the amount of people who die on a daily basis it is plain for everyone to see that the current system is not working, it is in desperate need of a serious overhaul. Only decriminalization, regulation, taxation, and education can achieve this.

      Jou - 2012-01-25 14:30

      Killer party duuuude!

      thecar2n - 2012-01-25 14:44

      @sachasea i agree completely about better drug regulation... if you want to kill yourself you ultimately have that choice. The Netherlands have as few as 17% of their population ever having experimented with drugs (that includes lesser drugs and hardcore narcotics) because of their leniency toward marijuana consumption... this is one of the lowest drug abuse (let alone drug experimentation) statistics in the world. reason would suggest that decriminalisation, regulation and taxation is the answer!

      Caleb - 2012-01-25 15:28

      sachasea, then we can have loads of pablo escobar's running around, all owning little branches of Dischem. You must be on something girl. Alcohol and cigarettes are controlled and yet we have nicotine addicts and alcoholics. Anyone for a Link Pharmacy franchise?

      Andrew - 2012-01-25 15:39

      @Sachasea: Legalisation for drugs would only work with drugs that aren't habit forming and you can't OD on. Legalising all drugs would be very irresponsible and down right stupid. Sure you won't get contaminated drugs, but people will still OD and become dependent on them. Legalising hard drugs like opiates sends the message that it is okay to use them which would lead to increased levels of addiction and overdose.

      rags.brady - 2012-01-25 17:11

      @sachasea: If we take your reasoning into account then we may as well legalize theft and murder because clearly we're not winning the war against that either. There's good reasons why stealing and killing is outlawed and there's also good reasons why certain substances are outlawed.

      sachasea - 2012-01-25 18:26

      rags.brady, if that is the case then would you mind telling me what the 'good reasons' are for alcohol and tobacco being legal while drugs proven to be less harmful like cannabis and magic mushrooms are illegal? Come on you know this makes no sense at all! If our government's intentions really were to protect us surely they would have made ALL drugs illegal? Not chosen to allow some more dangerous than others? I, like many others, just want open, frank and honest debate. It's clear that we're not getting that from our elected officials.

      trix.duvenage - 2012-01-25 19:13

      Yes shame, but at least they are now freed from drugs..... However, death is not a decent option....unless you have no ears when you are spoken to. The younger generation do not always OPEN their ears and then.... o well some survive and some not.... Shame....

      Boer - 2012-01-25 19:18

      This is just terrible. They should go after the drug pushers and hang them. So young what a pity.

      Smell - 2012-01-26 06:13

      Sachasea, if you are really interested in saving lives, the Singapore option evidently works the best for the hard drugs. Execute a few mules per year. Save the lives and futures of thousands of young people. It is a bit disingenious to make that great leap from legalizing cannabis and magic mushrooms to having pharmacies dish out "pure" cocaine, heroin and crystal meth. Most of us feel that humans should be protected against themselves - to a certain extent anyway. Teenagers and the mentally ill are e.g. generally not in a good space to make wise decisions. Enjoy you fix sweetie.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2012-01-26 07:31

      Completely agree with Smell. Your entire reasoning is based on the fact that our countries system has failed to a degree. As said by many above, while this is true, many of the substances most frequently abused are dependency drugs. How much worse would it be if this stuff was more available? If you are saying the current system has failed and we should just legalize to see how that goes, then I prefer Smell's option of following Singapore's lead and enforce the death penalty on mules, dealers etc. Things being legal or illegal doesn't make them any better for you. I really like speeding, so maybe the government should build better roads and drop speed limits? That is just as unreasonable as your proposition.

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 10:44

      I agree with sachasea. The War on Drugs has had next to no result on stopping the flow of drugs to people, other than to fill prisons with non-violent drug offenders. Where there is demand, supply will follow. People should be allowed to do what they want with their bodies, so long as they are only harming themselves. Should they harm someone else, they should be treated just like very other criminal. Portugal and The Netherland's liberal drug polices have lead to lower drug use across the board. Yes, their will be abusers. So what if they ruin their lives though. As adults we should be able to make decisions about what we do with our bodies or minds, even if that leads to death. If you want to protect children, have open and frank discussions with them instead of placing drugs on the pedestal of forbidden fruits. Young minds are curious, let's grow and nurture them rather than bombard than with fear and emotionally fuelled propaganda. Yes drugs can kill, but so can a lot of other legal things. And "No" not everyone would use dangerous drugs if they were legal, would you?

      sachasea - 2012-01-26 11:26

      Smell, you're extremely condescending and patronising saying things like 'enjoy your fix sweetie'. No doubt another brainwashed individual who can't tolerate an opinion that differs from his and hence has to resort to belittling remarks to add substance to his opinions. This is a classic example of the way in which the drug debate is conducted amongst the public these days. You'll get one person approaching the argument from an emotional viewpoint compounded by years of government propaganda, but devoid of fact and the other will have an arsenal of well-researched, currently accepted, proven fact. It may come as a huge surprise to you but the government isn't always right. I believe that they have got this one so wrong it's shameful. They are happy to repeat the mistakes of yesterday and the day before without trying to come up with any real, long term solutions. A lack of political will to fix this problem that affects a huge chunk of society. Luckily the laws seem to be changing in the right direction slowly but surely around the world. That is, because more people are becoming aware of the double standards of government and are demanding change. For your information I am not taking any intoxicants at this stage of my life as I don't feel the need to. I'm a libertarian and as such I have a fundamental belief that no one should have say over another for what they decide to put into their bodies as long as it does not harm another person.

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 12:22

      @Buzz, @Sachasea: As the article is about cocaine, I find your arguments rather specious. On previous occasions I have agreed with you about the legalisation of cannabis, but for hard narcotics it is not an option. Buzz; you said people should be allowed to do to their bodies what they want, they aren't harming anyone. That's well and good for a soft, non-habit forming drug. Swap out cannabis for cocaine/heroin, and sooner or later the users become addicts, craving a drug and all they can think about it their next fix (take a visit to a drug rehab, I'm sure all the users will tell you they never set out to become addicted, it just sort of happened). If they do not have the means, they will sell their belongings or steal to get their next hit. Unless wealthy to start off with, they will become a burden on their friends, family and ultimately the state. Add to that, you aren't going to be the sharpest tool in the shed if you are using hard narcotic drugs so the likelihood of overdose is real, especially as the user pushes the boundary to get that little bit higher. So now they become a burden on the health systems. If/when they finally realise the error of their ways, they will need help getting clean. This will inevitably involve rehab and potentially further substitute drugs to help them get and stay clean. All this costs money and considering the vast majority of the population does not earn very much, how is this going to be paid for? How is this not hurting society?

      sachasea - 2012-01-26 13:11

      Andrew you seem to have forgotten about the very significant revenue stream, which would be created by taxing said legalised fare. If used wisely some of this could be allocated to health schemes to help addicts overcome their addictions, other funding could be channeled to increase the effectiveness of drug awareness campaigns in places of learning like schools, colleges, etc. Our current efforts in these departments leave much to be desired. By removing the criminal aspect and adopting a health based approach the people who need help can feel confident enough to come forward without fear of persecution, that's a positive in my book. The USA is scaling back it's anti-drug blitz in countries like Colombia and Afghanistan after decades of seemingly fruitless counter-narcotics operations. It can barely afford to create jobs and provide for it's own citizens back home so fighting exorbatively expensive wars abroad is certainly no longer tenable. If the USA gives up the ghost on the War against Drugs pretty soon almost every other nation will fall in line. Drug decriminalization efforts are becoming more enticing to governments, but this is due to economics rather than restoring personal freedoms.

      jade.neil - 2012-01-26 13:19

      I agree with sachasea. In Holland they have a regulated drug system, whereby the Government monitors the drug abusers' intake of the drug. It has been shown that they have the lowest crime rate, murder rate, rape, and drug abuse rate too. What happens is that when the government monitors it, they slow take you off the drug and you don't even notice it because eventually, you will have been taken off the drug. they even have coffee shops that supply weed in Holland, and of different flavours too. So next time you want to ridicule someone of an educated and factual comment, think twice before doing it and do your research properly. thanks

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 13:24

      @ Andrew: I by no means condone or promote the use of any drug or substance. I do however see the current approach to drug use as the epic failure it is. There are lot of other things that could also lead to crime in order to solve the problem, such as poverty or over-indebtedness. Should we jail people for these reasons as well? Yes, hard drugs can be very dangerous especially if abused. Providing a safe means of giving free access to rehab or a hit for drug abusers would surely be cheaper than trying to imprison every drug user, abuser, dealer and grower. Drugs of every calibre are not going anywhere. We will never be able to end the use or abuse of drugs, but we can do a lot better to manage it through education and safe access. Surely this would also lead to a lower HIV/AIDS rate and crime as seen in The Netherlands and Portugal, thereby saving lives. I know that I wouldn't use something just because it is legal, just as most people probably wouldn't. It would also be less tempting if we stopped building up all this hype about drugs.

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 17:33

      @Buzz: I agree that current policies are not working, but I suspect that is more due to a lack of resource than anything else. European countries have it more under control because they have more taxpayers contributing to social welfare. Increase the knowledge of the populous and the rest will take care of itself. Making drugs legal won't fix anything, in SA where money is tight for anything other than free basic services, it would only exacerbate the situation, not make it better. I suspect it is very rare that someone is jailed for using drugs; in most cases they will be fined. The people being imprisoned are the dealers and that's where they belong.

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 18:10

      I think it is unethical in the highest order to condone the legalisation of harmful, highly addictive and toxic drugs for the reason Sachasea proposes, i.e. increase tax revenues! I'm all for it for things like alcohol, cigarettes, cannabis but not for narcotics; they are simply too dangerous to be allowed to be freely administered by a lay-person. There are very good reasons why narcotic painkillers are prescription only drugs, the same for powerful psychoactive substances such as benzodiazapines etc. They are very potent chemicals and the margin for safe use are very small and require in depth knowledge of pharmacology, pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics, drug-drug interactions etc. E.g. most drugs are broken down in the liver by cytochrome P450, but many other substances inhibit this enzyme amplifying the effects of other drugs, without medical knowledge, how is the lay person to know what they can and can't take? Even disregarding the other points I raised previously about the additiveness, from a pure safety point of view, legalising narcotics is ridiculous. For example, cocaine has a median lethal dose (LD50) of 91mg/kg; heroin's is 22mg/kg (in mice) & the average human lethal dose is 1200mg and 50mg respectively. Its no coincidence that there are high levels of OD, it is easy to do!

      Smell - 2012-01-27 07:48

      So let us take the example of alcohol. Why does RSA have the highest prevalence of fetal alcohol syndrome in the world? Evidently the legalize and tax it approach has not been very effective for preventing disastrous outcomes in some segments of our population. So how would a lbertarian approach work in our society (very different from the Netherlands) for drugs way more addictive than alcohol? I am not picking on cannabis or magic mushrooms here. I am talking cocaine, heroin and crystal methamphetamine. A previous history of using "intoxicants" (a nice term to put hard drugs on par with a glass of red wine) seems to have had an effect on the "common sense" of some of the contributors here.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 10:40

    The "multiple puncture wounds" is false, no such evidence was discovered...

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-25 10:43

      anything to make the story juicier!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 10:50

      Yup...

      Bokfan - 2012-01-25 10:52

      PB Please could you advise us on how you know so much about this incident? And also could you inform us why they were such "wonderful people" and then lastly what is your opinion about other "wonderful people" who have made bad choices. Like Cheryl Cwele for instance?

      Sharkie - 2012-01-25 10:54

      Seems like pointblank knows a lot more than the police does, maybe the PI should start with him. For all I know he could've supplied the drugs.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 10:59

      @Bokfan, you can visit the investigators facebook page, Brad Nathanson Investigations, a personal friend of mine.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:00

      Bokfan, I fail to see the connection between a drug dealer and two people who decided to "try" drugs and paid the ultimate price??

      Lorenzo - 2012-01-25 11:00

      This isn’t the first time I have heard of News24 reporting wrong information.

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 11:02

      Never heard of people injecting cocaine. Smoking, snorting.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 11:15

      So since when does private investigators investigate death cases? What happened to the SAPS investigators?

      Heidi - 2012-01-25 11:15

      Bokfan, please remove head from sphincter. Have you ever made a mistake? Yes? So think about how it could have turned out but didn't. How horrible of you to say this. Being a druggie does not make you evil, it makes you a human who was tempted. Just like a human who is tempted to cheat, drink, drink and drive, the list goes on.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 11:16

      If this is the case, we can start using private security firms to do the work of the army..

      Brenda - 2012-01-25 11:22

      @PointBlank, were these friends of yours? I am sorry about their deaths and these days you can't trust anyone. Please tell me what happened. It is always best to get it from the direct source because the reporters don't ever report something like it is. They report what they heard or thought. Thank you.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:28

      @Brenda, no not friends of mine, but I do know people who were friends with them. I do not know what happened I can only deduce from the facts presented thus far. It appears as if they went and bought cocaine from a dealer that was laced with some poisonous chemical as a "filler", this causes their hearts to stop.. These were normal people who were probably recretaional users as opposed to "druggies". Either way, a very bad choice which cost them their lives... a story I have seen many, many times. I have helped many people who have made this type of choice, some I have managed to "save" ans some I couldn't.. People judge and condemn too quickly.. I get angry and I probably over reacted here but only because they are as ignorant as these two poor souls were...

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 11:34

      "recreational drug users" That's the worst thing I've ever heard. People should probably play "recreational Russian roulette" too.

      CarlS - 2012-01-25 12:12

      Druggies are druggies. Don't fool yourself. If you use, your a druggie.

      Hugh - 2012-01-25 12:15

      @hotkop, they do.

      Chantelle - 2012-01-25 12:32

      firstly - her name is TAMRYN!!!! secondly, it was cocaine laced with an unknown deadly substance... i didnt know you could inject yourself with powder!!! wow news24!!! excellent journalism!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 13:09

      Cocaine is a KNOWN deadly substance!!

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:41

      The case isnt the why they died, its what killed them. Drugs(laced or not) killed them. they shouldnt have been snorting or injecting themselves.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 13:56

      OK,let's see if I can turn around the thumbs for my previous statement: Cocaine in not known and it is not deadly.

      Bokfan - 2012-01-25 14:04

      PB sorry to have taken so long to get back to you. The connection between the drug dealer and the druggie is of course the business relationship. The one keeps the other in profits which is their reason to exist. No druggies - no drug dealers. No Drug dealers - no drug problem. Its not that hard my china. (no pun intended) Plus no one using the needle is harmlessly experimenting. Thats hardcore selfloathing and not healthy at all. If your friends are the victims of false reporting, sorry to hear it. But on the information before me the argument stands. Heidi. Howzit sistah. Some mistakes are only made by gradeA idiots. You should feel right at home among them. See you at the Darwin Awards.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 14:15

      @Bokfan, I rarely take anything News24 prints as facts. According to the PI investigating the case, there is no evidence of heroine or spiking.. I kinda more likely to go with his version of events ;)

      J-Man - 2012-01-25 14:26

      @Pulchritudinous - I think Heroin is also sold as a powder...? And injected? (after preparation etc) Just sayin.

      Sharon - 2012-01-25 14:43

      @ PointBlack thanx for the lead to Brads page very enlightening I take back any negative comments I made. RIP Tamryn & Gareth.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 15:10

      @Shanna, my pleasure and no offence was taken if given :) Confirmation on his page, they have the dealer in custody...

      Andrew - 2012-01-25 15:59

      FYI, cocaine can and is injected; injecting would lead to a quicker stronger high as all of the drug would get into the blood stream straight away. I agree with Bokfan, if the report is correct and they were injecting, they takes them out of the recreational drug user category. I don't however agree with many of the callous statements made about their deaths. Yes it was self-inflicted and they should have known better, but death is tragic.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-01-25 10:42

    live by the sword, die by the sword. pity

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 11:25

      Sad but soo true guy

      Grant - 2012-01-25 18:31

      There was no evidence of swords!! Ninja's seldom leave such items behind!

      Merven - 2012-01-27 07:38

      What about the punctuation marks?

      anthea.lagrange - 2012-10-28 16:35

      Did they have commas, full stops and semicolons all over their bodies Merven? Great malapropism!

  • Nyiko Ngobeni - 2012-01-25 10:46

    Sadly, u reap what u sow

      Heidi - 2012-01-25 11:17

      Yes, but not everyone reaps what they sew. Some are given second chances, these two men were not so lucky, but it does not make them unique or deserving of their untimely death. How can people be so insensitive?

      Merven - 2012-01-25 13:56

      Because life is about choices, and sadly they chose to take drugs. Just as the weed heads defend their drugs, these guys probably defended their drugs.

      Bokfan - 2012-01-25 16:02

      Reply to Heidi who seems at risk of finding herself in seriously bad company unless she sharpens up her decision making processes. You appear to be a very caring, sweet (albeit foul mouthed) kid. The emphasis though is on "KID" That's a condition you may, or may not, survive depending on YOUR choices. So take a tip from Cat Stevens and remember " .....its a wild world and its hard to get by on just a smile"

  • Bernard - 2012-01-25 10:49

    Destiny, we all control our own!!

  • Toni - 2012-01-25 10:51

    Meshack, ask the ANC, youre a youth til you turn 35

      E=MC2 - 2012-01-25 11:12

      thats just because ANC members mature like freaken cycads

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:45

      toni, it isnt in ANC only, all countries around the world, you cannot be elected president before you turn 35, thats why you can be in the "youth league" if your party has one.

  • MrGuyT - 2012-01-25 10:52

    Just say no... simple .. and live

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 10:51

      I do say "no". I say no to hypocrisy. I say no to a failed war on drugs. I say no to filling prisons with non voilent drug offenders, at your and my expense (tax). I say no to people telling other people what they can and can't do with their bodies. I say yes to personal freedom.

  • Janice - 2012-01-25 10:52

    So Damned SAD!!!! What a waste of life, sh*t I HATE DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!!

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 11:27

      You see? you might just have a chance of living longer

  • dave.j.colquhoun - 2012-01-25 10:55

    When I was growing up, I was always told that you supposedly snorted cocain up yer nostril. Now I read that these youngsters were injecting it. A definate Darwin award here for two bad decisions.

      Heidi - 2012-01-25 11:19

      A tad bit insensitive...

      Lee - 2012-01-25 11:45

      @Heidi it seems like you have problems yourself looking at how you keep defending the situation even though nobody is knocking the two deceased but merely stating what we all know what risk it is taking drugs purely because it does catch up to you in time in many ways, even if not your fault just like this case. What else would you call it but playing with fire.

      Tyron - 2012-01-26 14:13

      u can melt the powder down and inject it in to your veins! or u can make it into rocks and smoke it! so rather research,before you start handing out your darwin awards

  • Sechaba - 2012-01-25 10:57

    A witness said Kyle had withdrawn money and met someone to allegedly buy drugs, but this was questioned by his foster brother, Tony Coetser, who said Kyle did not take drugs. He has hired a private investigator to look into Kyle’s death ----------------------------------------------------------------------- you'll never know, unless you were always with him 24/7-365days, other than that, i mean he can do anything without you knowing. may his soul rest in peace.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 11:47

      true sechaba, i dont know why family always runs to defend family members. right statement from his F.B would have been, he wasnt aware kyle was doing drugs. Not Kyle wasnt doing drugs>>

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:07

      @blackjew69, you will always be in denial to the fact your family member does drugs..

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:33

      @ POint blank - my father as i grew up, would beat me up just for hearing i had been punished at school. i wasnt allowed to have another persons personal effect on me by my house. Needless to say, my parents didnt defend me when i was accused of being a brat, they litterary kicked my ass.Denial doesnt neccesarilly make you to defend people. Denial will be that effect you will be like" jeez, i cant believe it" you will tell be telling yourself, on the inside. Denial will be like that feeling you get when a close family relative dies , a few days after you see them. "you just cant believe it"

      Kesaleteng - 2012-01-25 13:59

      @blackjew69, That sounds like abuse dude...

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-26 07:20

      @ kesaleteng - You call it abuse , i call it discipline, i wasnt born in the "i have rights era" and God dont i say thanks for it. i am a made man"from that abuse", i aint snorting foreign stuff up my nose, i aint breaking into peoples houses, i am not a lazy dude, ill disciplined, school dropout waiting for free housing, grant etc. i am sure you see my direction.

      tokoziza - 2012-01-26 11:53

      100% agree with you blackjew69 - I was brought up exactly the same. Discipline is good - "spare the rod and spoil the child". I see far too many people with an enormous sense of entitlement that is too scary to contemplate.

  • Mary-Lou - 2012-01-25 10:58

    Justice has been done, you live by the drug you die by the drug

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:03

      Sick.

      Heidi - 2012-01-25 11:20

      So if you live being a cold hearted uncaring judgemental lizard, like you, how do you die then hmmm?

      Mary-Lou - 2012-01-25 11:25

      To Heidi, naturally and yes I am totally uncaring, animals have better morals

      werner.smidt - 2012-01-25 13:00

      I think she said "live by" not "live being". But that makes me wonder . . if you would live being a drug, what drug would you be? Personally, I'd love to be any sort of placebo . . and never bring anything to the table, but empty hopes and dreams.

      Ryan - 2012-01-25 16:47

      Mary-Lou silly silly girl lets hope that this does not happen to your child/brother /sister .To add to this news24 have got this all wrong truly one of the worst piece of reporting i have ever seen. an opportunity to educate the youth/people on the real dangers of cocaine usage and abuse presented itself to the reporter and he chose to sensationalize the story diluting the fact that snorting the drug is very dangerous in its self especially when mixed with alcohol www.drinkingwithcharlie.com .These people where doing what thousand of South Africans do every weekend and suffered the ultimate price they did not deserve this .these are peoples children we are talking about here .stricter laws need to be passed for dealers and crooked cops who take backhanders from these dealers.More truthful education needs to be given to children at schools about drug usage and the dangers of recreational drug use including how to use drugs safely and how to re-act when things go wrong .No matter how much we all may hate drugs they are here and here to stay (unfortunately)its time proper education and facts are given to everyone.This reporter had this opportunity and chose to play a dangerous guessing game.I live in the complex where this happened.

  • Lorenzo - 2012-01-25 10:59

    At 29 you're old enough to not be this stupid. Condolences to the families though..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:11

      @29 you still think you bullet proof..

      werner.smidt - 2012-01-25 12:52

      @PointBlank . . was that wordplay on your screen name? :)

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:58

      @TheSlip, no not really :) PointBlank was given to me because I always had a diffrent opinion to everyone else so it kinda stuck..

      werner.smidt - 2012-01-25 13:12

      Haha. Ah, well, in that case they can get a little more creative on certain headlines: Victim was shot at alternative opinion range.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:23

      @Theslip, lol.... ja, today I am certainly standing on the target range, my turn to be "thumb down" ... ah well, all in a day's work.

  • Heidi - 2012-01-25 11:11

    They were young. And it's a pity...and we should all have sympathy for drug users, because they are stuffed basically. Let's not pretend that if life had taken a different turn for any of us, that we might not have turned out the same way. What a waste of life. My condolences to the poor parents.

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 11:30

      Heidi you have a choice of doing drugs and NOT doing drugs and some of us chose the latter hence we're able to comment here today:)

      Lee - 2012-01-25 11:56

      @Heidi as PointBlank said, they were not regular or dependant users even though there is a possibility that those type of users can become totally dependant on it in time. I do also feel sympathy towards them but I feel more for the parents and friends feeling the terrible hurt over such a stupid dangerous mistake. Drugs have been spoken about for years and years so nobody is ignorant to the affect drugs have and what it can do to ones body and living life in general. May this be a lesson to many others that want to even try it. These dealers will do anything to get money espcially since drug smuggling is getting more and more difficult.

      gillian.sanderson - 2012-01-25 15:29

      @dumisiledee - oh and when your kidnapped while walking the street and forced into prostitution and drugs - do you have a choice then!? Not everyone gets off as lightly as you seem to think . . .

      gillian.sanderson - 2012-01-25 15:30

      *walking down the street

      phil.steynberg - 2012-01-25 21:52

      Heidi... Just stop. You're right about trying to be compassionate, but getting very close to being encouraging to others regarding taking drugs. They did wrong. They didn't deserve to die. We all do wrong. We SHOULD ALL learn from mistakes! Learn from this and stop making excuses for their mistake. My condolences to the families of the deceased and hope this tragedy does not create more tragedy with the loss of their loved ones.

  • Truthis - 2012-01-25 11:13

    If drugs were legalised these two would be alive.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-01-25 11:18

      Counter intuitive but more than likely true .

      Garth - 2012-01-25 11:22

      Maybe they should legalise rape, murder, robbery, etc... No you are wrong. Drugs should be controlled. What needs to be done is harsher punishment to drug pushers and more support to users.

      Brenda - 2012-01-25 12:07

      @Truthis...If drugs were legalised more people would be dead. Ad a lack of employment in this country and money, can you imagine what would be used to mass produce just for the money. Like all fake objects, they would sell fake substances to the masses that would then double as drug users and what a lovely country we would have. Totally dysfunctional. What a stupid comment from you.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:21

      No, drugs should never be legalised it is nicotine and alcohol that should be made illegal..

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 12:56

      @Garth - Using drugs cannot be equated to rape, murder or robbery. Your credibility is gone in the first sentence. As for the rest of your statement, that is exactly what I am saying,right now drugs are not controlled. @Brenda - One is not allowed to brew and sell ones own alcohol. Legalised drugs would be the same. Even richard branson has come out in favour of the legalization of drugs. What an ignorant comment from you. Point Blank - Good comment. However this has been attempted with zero success before.

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 13:13

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16702238

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:15

      @Thuthis, see my point here.. as soon as you mention "accepted" drugs suddenly you get thumbs down.. alcohol and nicotine kill, slowly. But hey that's ok right?

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 13:15

      @Point Blank - You're friends with Sam and Martin. Is your name derived from Point Blank Clubbing?

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 13:19

      @Point Blank- Got it. Missed the sarcasm font. :)

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:26

      @Thruthis, yep and the fact I never had the same opinion as everyone else... and I was always "point blank" with my opinions :) Always gets me into trouble :)

      nasheenar - 2012-01-25 13:27

      What a stupid thing to say.Do you think its ok to take drugs? You die eventually from taking drugs. Your state of mind is altered,you body is polluted with toxins.How can making drugs leagal save lives. Its ignorance like this that kills.

      sachasea - 2012-01-25 14:09

      Bang on the money Truthis. Unfortunately our politicians are still light years behind the general consensus. Sir Richard Branson made himself available to a Home Office Committee yesterday to inform the UK government as to the successes countries such as Portugal have had since making drugs a health issue rather than a criminal one. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2012/01/24/drugs-laws-is-legalisation-an-acceptable-alternative-115875-23714663/

      Merven - 2012-01-25 14:09

      @Truthis, the moment government legalise drugs they are going to have to give medical support also via state hospitals, which means the taxpayer is going to pay for their stupidity. Well, I pay enough tax thank you. "Using drugs cannot be equated to rape, murder or robbery." - of cource it can, all of the above crimes destroy families/lives (robbery not as much but it is still traumatising).

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 14:13

      @Nasheer-There is no quality control at the moment. Everything you say could be said about nicotine, alcohol and sugar. Please read the link I posted, unless you like your jerky knee. The fact is that if cocaine was legally available they would not have been poisoned by a foreign substance which they had no idea they were ingesting. It is, in fact, ignorance like yours that kills.

      sachasea - 2012-01-25 14:15

      But Garth don't you get it? That's the whole point! By keeping the status quo there is no control! As long as drugs are forced into the shadows of criminal enterprise there can be NO CONTROL. Advocates for decriminalization aren't suggesting drugs be made legal and that's the end of it. They want government to carefully and meticulously regulate the whole supply and demand chain from manufacture to consumption i.e. not selling to minors. Dealers don't need an ID from a kid to buy drugs, all they need is money. So to say that decriminalization would equate to no control is absurd. It would lead to MORE control! It would also cut out a massive revenue source worth billions to criminals OVERNIGHT!

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 14:17

      @Saschea-Well put.

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 14:24

      @mervin- and this would be different from right now how? Where do you think an OD patient with no medical aid goes. As for equating rape etc to drugs. You are entitled to that illogical opinion. The point is that most people cannot get help because of the illegality of drugs therefore the destruction you mention occurs, although it is not much different to legal drugs like alcohol and nicotine. The fact is that criminalizing drugs has not worked. Time for a different approach.

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 10:57

      @ Merven: I would rather pay the heatlh care cost for assisting a few drug abusers, rather than continue paying approximately R 95,000 per year for every single prisoner that has been emprisoned on nothing more than a non-violent drug offence. So yes, let's pay less tax by treating this as a heatlth issue rather than a criminal issue. Let's alos free up our judicial and police services to attend to crimes other than those where people are only harming themselves.

      Merven - 2012-01-26 12:32

      "although it is not much different to legal drugs like alcohol and nicotine." people don't rob and murder for cigarette money.

      Merven - 2012-01-27 07:41

      @Buzz, in that case I'll rather pay R100 for a syringe and relevant poison and put them out of society. The drug lords loose money, I don't loose real money, no body gets beaten up for drug money, the druggie's problems is over and everybody is happy.

  • the_gob - 2012-01-25 11:16

    Firstly, wish to extend my condolences to the bereaved. But from my understanding of narcotics and as a part-time user of such, cocaine is usually snorted through the nose so that it heads straight to well, the head. Heroine is the drug that people use syringes for. Poor journalism adds to the misunderstanding people have about such substances and leads some people to believe the wrong things. I for one, would tell you anything you have to inject yourself (apart from insulin) is bad for you and will most likely kill you. Guys be sensible, life is too short to take such unnecessary risks. Its a sad shame they learnt the hard way.

      Janice - 2012-01-25 11:29

      They didnt "learn"!!! They are DEAD!!!!!!!

      Brenda - 2012-01-25 12:08

      Gob...this goes to show these were not regular drug users if they injected themselves. They probably did not even know how to do this properly, hence they are now dead.

  • Lynda - 2012-01-25 11:19

    Alcohol...leads to bad choices, who knows what really happened but whatever it was its very very sad for the people who loved them, I also hate drugs, just hope they sort out the real story.

  • Mlungisi - 2012-01-25 11:32

    Just dont try drugs, "curiosity killed the cat" remember?

      ryan.kruger1 - 2012-01-25 14:05

      And satisfaction brought him back

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 11:00

      So you are saying we should forsake curiosity? A natural human instinct, an instinct that has driven our development through the ages?

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 12:28

      @Buzz: There is a difference between curiosity and stupidity. Yes curiosity led to many discoveries, but curiously wondering what it is like to do a proven dangerous, even deadly, thing becomes stupidity if you act on it. I may curiously wonder what it feels like to drown, I would be pretty stupid to act on that impulse as I know the likely consequence of my actions

      Buzz - 2012-01-26 13:34

      @ Andrew: If we want to nitpick, we can also say that there is a difference between people and cats. Many people have died as a result of their curiosity and drive to understand the unkown. Marie Curie being a classic example. Defintely, their are loads of stupid people. Putting your foot in the water to feel what it feels like is curiousity. Trying to drown "would be pretty stupid to act on that impulse as I know the likely consequence of my actions" Trying a hard-drug is curiosity? Taking a large amount of a hard drug "would be pretty stupid to act on that impulse as I know the likely consequence of my actions"

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 17:43

      @Buzz: Yes we are nit-picking ;-) But the problem with hard drugs is that they are very toxic and the difference between a safe and poisonous dose is not a lot; probably on the level where you need a gram level mass balance with at least two decimal places. I posted on this under the very first comment, but the average lethal dose for cocaine is 1.2g, for heroin its only 50mg. The margin for error is pretty small, and gets even smaller once you are hopped up on the drug and want to go just that little bit higher. So yes, injecting/snorting/smoking a highly toxic substance just because you are curious is right up there near the top of dangerous, stupid things to do

  • Whitty - 2012-01-25 11:33

    Yippe, minus two drug pushers supporting illegal drug market which fuels crime in our neighbourhood.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:37

      An obvious troll being obvious..

      Truthis - 2012-01-25 12:57

      If drugs were legal there would be no need for the associated crime.

      Linda - 2012-01-25 13:36

      HA HAAA! So suddenly they were drug pushers. What planet are you on, Whitty?

      Ken - 2012-01-25 21:24

      Whitty, you must really get turned on by being disliked. Weird !

  • Alva - 2012-01-25 11:33

    What a waste of life! Some people make really stupid decisions.

  • Rainbow - 2012-01-25 11:36

    Time to Get rid of the Nigerians that supply this cr*p with no regard for the people who use it.They are a disease and need to be eradicated. And before i get slammed with comments..yes locals do supply drugs but the Nigerians control the market, they have since 1994 and they will continue to do so in future. @ Mesak 19 or 29 these people are still young and are someones children. 29 is still young . I see in your profile pic a child on your lap just imagine this was her in 27 years time.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 11:42

      @ pointblank- at 16years, taking drugs is a mistake, not @ 29. @ rainbow- you have a point , just that you forget thenigerians are able to do this with the help of Southafricans. You cant succeed in business if you aint got customers, workers( southafrican drug mules, sa customs officers, sa police officers etc)

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 11:44

      @blackjew, taking drugs is not a mistake its a choice often fuelled with ignorance and misconceptions that they "safe"..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:02

      @Whitty, you clearly created this account to troll me... pretty unimaginative.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:13

      @ point blank - "taking drugs is not a mistake its a choice often fuelled with ignorance and misconceptions that they "safe".. I will have pity for anyone under the age of 16< even the law says these are people who cannot really make correct decisions, that is why if you sleep with a U16, you get jail time, If an U16 does a crime, sometimes the parents gets charged too-for not supervising the kid, Ignorance is a crime in a court of law. You cannot defend yourself by saying I DIDNT KNOW!! And also what you trying to implore is THE PARENT failed this child if he or she didnt teach them between right or wrong.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:28

      @blackjew, I agree. What I mean by ignorance is that many drug users think recreational drugs are safe. In many cases they "are" statistically speaking. The horrible realisation that they not, because of what is mixed in, sadly comes too late for many..

  • Isamu - 2012-01-25 11:54

    puncture marks = contaminated coke? 20 friends are there and nobody knows where it came from? and how is it "expected" the results will show contamination? is that a guess? bad writing and i would be looking into the people that were there, how no one saw something was wrong? condolences to the family and truth from the friends that were there...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:03

      The truth will hopefully be revelled and the dealer arrested and thrown away for life!

      Adriana - 2012-01-25 12:52

      @pointblank, and where do you think they'll find the dealer? hmmm??? call him and ask him to come into the nearest police station? this people's way smarter than we think. @Isamu, if you're on cocaine everyone that doesn't know will most probably think you're getting tipsy. it's not a drug that mentally F@C% you, it only give you self confidence and you can drink as much as you like without getting drunk, THAT'S IT! go google drugs, look into each one, what the after effects is, what it makes you feel like etc, and then when stuff like this happens and you'd like to comment, you wouldn't look so damn stupid!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:17

      *sigh*.. Adriana, they already have the dealer.. Read the PI's facebook page, Brad Nathanson Investigations, before you throw question marks at me..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:19

      Adriana, I have helping people with drug issues since early 90's. I can tell whether you on speed, coke, E, LSD or ketamine.. E being the easiest, pupils enlarged, eyes rolling back, incoherent sentences, etc.. Coke is more difficult but the tell tale sign is they tend to move their bottom jaw rapidly and they have a superior almost arrogant look about them..

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 13:32

      "The truth will hopefully be revelled and the dealer arrested and thrown away for life!" So what about I arrest the CEO of Beretta and throw him away for life? My uncle was murdered for his watch and wallet with a 9mm Baretta. The dealers are there because there is demand for drugs. No demand, no dealers. If you F around with drugs, don't blame the dealers. Yes, they are BAD as can be, but the dealer didn't force the drugs into their veins.

      Adriana - 2012-01-25 13:39

      @PointBlank, sorry didn't realize they already got him. my mistake. but since you're dealing with people on drugs for quite a while you're suppose to know, that a normal friend or family member etc, people that's not familiar with this, won't notice easily, unless they used something before, coz then you'll always pick it up. i understand you do, but you're rather familiar with it. and not attacking you here, i can see from your 1st comment you know what YOU are talking about, but remember 1 thing, all the users that comments don't know allot about drugs, and it's rather difficult to explain something which could have so many outcomes etc to people that's not familiar with it, coz it will NEVER just end the same way or have the same after effects etc... so be a little more patient here...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:47

      @Adriana, you right, people who know nothing of recreational drugs or the effects will find it difficult to tell the signs. If only they knew of the MASSIVE challenges that drug councillors face and the mammoth task they have and the everything else that is associated with this scourge. But as usual, everyone has a lot to say and do very little to change this..

      Hotkop - 2012-01-25 13:53

      @PointBlank As far as I know, recreational drugs is stuff like coffee, cigearettes, alcohol etc. What is your definition of recreational drugs?

      Adriana - 2012-01-25 13:57

      @pointblank, i like your way of handling this...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 13:59

      richard.hipkin - Just posted Report comment @hotkop, the term recreational drugs comes about from the environment they are used in, generally clubs and music festivals. Coffee, alcohol and cigarettes can be recreational drugs yes if used in a recreational environment.. but the term was "invented" around therese sepcific drugs: Cocaine LSD Ecstasy Speed Ketamine Mushrooms Dagga These were generally club or rave drugs and hence the "recreational drugs" label.

      Merven - 2012-01-25 14:12

      " and they have a superior almost arrogant look about them.." So Julius is a drug user!

      Adriana - 2012-01-25 14:25

      @Merven, hahaha

      Marlene - 2012-01-26 00:19

      @Isamu .... i sadly think that the 20 friends were all partying wildly and doing the drug thing aswell. I really hope i am very, very wrong !! Sympathies to the families.

      Matt - 2012-01-26 15:36

      not quite on topic but the dealers in Durban are crazy. Heaviest nigerians. Sell the worst coke you can find anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if there stuff was laced with some rat poison. Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that. Quite unfortunate for these two guys. Sorry.

  • blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 11:58

    At 29 everyone should know consequences of all the vices out there, at 16 i would pity a human who has made a wrong move(experimenting) not at 29. @ rainbow - You have a point there "Time to Get rid of the Nigerians that supply this cr*p with no regard for the people who use it" Be advised, no business flourishes without customers(southafricans in this instance) workers ( drug mules, Corrupt customs officials, corrupt SAPS officials, S.A drug dealers - in soweto, mamelodi, tembisa and many other s.a townships, our own family members, friends and neighbours ) also this instance are southafricans.

      Brenda - 2012-01-25 12:14

      Blackjew at 16 they are already selling this stuff, at 13 they are experimenting at 14 they hooked at 15 they steal, hijack and do what they can do get it. At 16 they know the only way is to be dealer, what a vicious circle.

      CarlS - 2012-01-25 12:16

      At 16 parents should be around to make sure kids aren't making those kinds of mistakes. Over 21s have enough savvy to decide for themselves and consider the consequences of their actions. "Experimenting" is a farce. In this day and age no-one jumps in on cocaine or heroin.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:16

      @ brenda- True, kids selling at school. Again point being, dealers are not only foreigners. @ Supervision is needed, love and a healthy parent child bonding.

  • Kese - 2012-01-25 12:06

    After reading these comments, I went and searched for the articles on the two drug mules (Nolubabalo and Jeanice). I went through the comments and it made me realise that we have double standards. You should see some of the comments there from the very same sympathetic bloggers here today, they were singing a different tune and all I have to say is eish, eish, eish! Rest in peace Gareth and Camryn.

      lindaawhelan - 2012-01-25 12:18

      Yes Kese, isn't it strange that people who die from drinking tainted alcohol on the Cape Flats are labelled stupid but those who take tainted cocaine in Ballito are 'wonderful people who made a mistake'.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 12:27

      @lindaawhelan, I have NEVER said people who die from contaminated alcohol are stupid. I share the same view in those cases... jees.

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 13:06

      Thanks Kese, it just shows that we do not comment using standards but do so depending on a certain group of people, pity that you have to belong to a different kind to be judged good or bad.

  • Deon - 2012-01-25 12:16

    The lesson is don't do drugs.

  • Chantelle - 2012-01-25 12:37

    YOU BUNCH OF HEARTLESS PEOPLE!!! 2 PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES - YES - IT WAS FROM DRUGS - THAT WAS LACED WITH AN UNKNOWN DEADLY SUBSTANCE - THEY NEVER SHOT HEROINE... IT WAS COCAINE SECONDLY, HER NAME IS TAMRYN!!!! THIS WHOLE STORY IS DISGUSTINGLY WRITTEN AND TO THE HEARTLESS PEOPLE, WHO LEAVE DISGUSTINGLY INSENSITIVE COMMENTS ON HERE, DO YOU EVEN CARE, THAT THE FAMILY WOULD BE READING THIS"? NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES AROUND THEIR DEATHS, THIS IS SOMEONES SON, DAUGHTER, BROTHER, HUSBAND, WIFE...

      Buck - 2012-01-25 12:44

      Anyone who is involved voluntarily with drugs, be it a pusher, producer or user deserves whatever comes their way.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:06

      i would use your same standards and say, it would be bad to comment or even report about anything --> in the case of the taxi driver who hit a woman and dragged her for some meters underneath his taxi. He has family members too. truth needs to be spoken, and need not be sugar or butter cotted, there are people reading this blog who are in drugs now or who have thought of doing drugs. This will deter them. problem with society(some) they have decided to have horse blinkers.

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 13:10

      Yes it is very painfull to loose 2 young people like this @ Pulchritudinous but sadly they have brought it unto themselves, pity that their parents have to suffer the loss because of one stupid choice they made. May they rest in peace and may the family heal from this pain.

      Zion - 2012-01-25 13:14

      Blackjew69: The trouble is everyone wants to make a clever comment but none know the actual truth as to what happened. Much here are assumptions.

      Merven - 2012-01-25 14:16

      @ Pulchritudinous - Heroine is injected and Cocaine is snorted, duh! Unless they tried to inject Cocaine, which explains a lot.

      Chantelle - 2012-01-26 11:39

      @merven well when you know them personally, and actually know what the real story is, you will realise that this article is a bunch of rubbish - they snorted cocaine that was laced with a deadly substance. the police report does not state that there were syringes or puncture marks anywhere.

  • Fredster - 2012-01-25 12:37

    Sad...

  • Zion - 2012-01-25 12:54

    To abide by the sensitivities of the families I think it would be heartless to comment on this particular article.

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-25 13:21

      @ zion - families should have long seen the signs and tried to get help for these kids. my apologies if all 20 were doing cocaine for the very first time yesterday. Otherwise, this should be a lesson to any of the people reading these comments and they suspect a family member or friend is doing drugs. May these comments be the information they needed to take a step in saving that brother,sister,friend on drugs before its too late.

  • Preshen - 2012-01-25 12:58

    Party rockers in the house

  • kiri - 2012-01-25 13:25

    news23 never said they injected cocaine. they said large quantities of alcohol and drugs were consumed. multiple puncture marks found. this suggests that there probably was a menu of stuff to select from. but no-one said that they injected cocaine, only that they probably died as a result from using contaminated cocaine.

      Linda - 2012-01-25 13:42

      Well spotted Kiri

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-25 14:43

      1000 thumbs up for this comment

      Mikewright85 - 2012-01-25 16:15

      is it news23? or 24? im confused? am i in the right place?

  • Jannie - 2012-01-25 13:52

    why you shouldnt use narcotics, no way of knowing what is in them for sure

  • alnkabinde - 2012-01-25 14:12

    Cocaine is Gods way of saying you're making too much money.

  • janene.spedding - 2012-01-25 14:44

    Double standards! RIP in Gareth & Tamryn

  • timelord - 2012-01-25 14:45

    ah the best why to clean out the trash .....

  • Christian Johannes Denyschen - 2012-01-25 15:01

    Legalizing drugs would never work firstly buying a dvd from a licensed dealer is legal so why do we get illegal dvd's on every major intersection selling illegal stuff is the market in fact legalizing drugs would only mean that the quality of illegal drugs would only worsen. Secondly human mentality word never be able to handle it, its us people who would still abuse it, alcohol and cigarettes are legal and jet it is being abused every where we go. So please stop thinking that legalizing drugs is a solution stopping production is the best and only solution.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 15:15

      and how is the stopping of production working for us? It's not buddy, there are literately thousands of clandestine drug laboratories popping up everywhere. Legalising will ensure that when you choose to do drugs you can go obtain your stuff and know it is "safe".. Why do you think the Netherlands has the lowest drug problem even though it is legal?

      Merven - 2012-01-26 12:38

      If you do drugs, you must be willing to carry the risk of 'tainted' stock. If I sleep with prostitutes, can I complain if I get HIV?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-26 14:54

      But Mervyn, if prostitution was legal you would know they were HIV negative and they would have the confidence to prove it..

      Merven - 2012-01-27 07:45

      No prostitute can claim to be HIV free because HIV got a window period of 3 months, the same goes for the drugs being legal, we've got corrupt officials, do you really think legal drugs will be 'clean'?

  • Mmoloki - 2012-01-25 15:02

    Waitingfor someone to blame the ANC.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 15:15

      What? After over 500 comments? You will still be waiting dude, may I suggest you rather get on with your life..

      Se-a Spencer Ikeremm - 2012-01-25 17:26

      Lol, it seems like they always do ;)

      blackjew69 - 2012-01-26 07:35

      @ MMoloki - technically speaking this is ANCs' fault, If the Government was paying its civil servants better, The customs officials, the SAPS, the prosecutors, we wont have been having corrupt officials who when they get a person dealingin drugs, they see an opportunity to make a quick buck. The prosecutors who get bought to throw away cases, Good example, The two cops who got a couple having sex in the veld, first thing the cops says is" We will sell this" meaning the video. That potrays lack of money or in any other case demanding of a bribe.

      Merven - 2012-01-26 12:39

      Mmoloki, the ANC ministers are exporting drugs to Europe, so they are actually protecting our citizens. Well done ANC!

  • Christian Johannes Denyschen - 2012-01-25 15:35

    @pointblank so what your saying is that you can buy cocaine and other class a drugs legally in the netherlands wtf! your missing the point people have to be addicted to some thing and if it was legal to buy drugs at a shop a round the corner how many people would then f@ck up their lives by using a legal drug, wake up idiot we need to stop the use and not make it legally possible for every one to use.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 16:42

      Then the same must apply for cigarettes and alcohol. Alcohol is legal in this country and the single most abused substance followed by cigarettes and THEN dagga... actually I may be wrong here but I think over the counter medicine is more abused then dagga... Do you see people screwing their lives up on cough medicine? No, again the choice is yours just because it is freely available doesn't mean everyone is going to rush to buy.. Anyway, only my opinions and not to be taken as gospel, sheesh, call me an idiot, up yours Charlie! :)

      Heiku - 2012-01-26 10:46

      I have seen people screwing their lives up with cough medicine. (DXM)

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 12:37

      @Pointblank: People used to screw up their lives using cough medicine when it contained relatively high quantities of codeine (another opiate). Codeine is now much more strictly controlled and the OTC cough medicines tend to rather coat the airways rather than chemically block receptors to suppress the cough

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-26 14:55

      @Andrew, and imagine what harmful substances would be removed from "hard line" drugs if the government regulated it... it's a perpetual argument my friend.

      Andrew - 2012-01-26 17:59

      @PointBlank: The actual active ingredient is a (the?) dangerous substance! 50mg of heroin is the average dose that kills a human. For all we know the two unfortunates in the article thought they bought cocaine when in fact it was heroin and took too much, OD'ed and died. If you have a look at the median lethal doses (LD50) of many poisonous substance, you will see that many 'toxins' are less harmful than cocaine and heroin. For example, the LD50 of heroin is 22mg/kg whilst that of rat poison (warfarin) is 100mg/kg. So, if were told that you had a powder with 2 substances and need to make it safer by removing one, would you remove the compound with an LD50 of 22mg/kg or 100mg/kg? I know which one I would think is more dangerous

  • gillian.sanderson - 2012-01-25 15:38

    You dont inject cocaine . . . you snort it!

      Adriana - 2012-01-25 16:36

      slim kind jy! hehe

      cornen1 - 2012-01-26 16:58

      you can inject it...

      Martin - 2012-01-27 08:41

      free base form can be injected

  • Christian Johannes Denyschen - 2012-01-25 15:38

    @richard not pointblank sorry pointblank

  • sandra.inja - 2012-01-25 16:10

    OK....SO IS IT A LARGE QUANTITIES OF DRUGS OR SMALL QUANTITIES OF DRUGS... HAHAHAHA ONE OR THE OTHER???? I SUPPOSE

  • Tania - 2012-01-25 16:16

    VIVA Jackie Selebi VIVA!!!!!!!! Assisting the Agliottis of the world to escape the long arm of the law. And then ppl come and say poor Selebikie, he is sick, let him go, let him be free. Se m@er man, kyk wat het hier gebeur!!!!!!

      Onke Dali - 2012-01-25 18:57

      What in the hell are you talking about? What does Selebi have to do with any of this? You figure every drug in this country is here because of him, you must not be very bright.

  • Chantel - 2012-01-25 16:40

    They found used syringes....Really, they injected the cocaine??? Dont they mean Heroin???

  • coetzee - 2012-01-25 16:57

    If you use drugs you must die!

      coetzee - 2012-01-25 17:38

      I think the 3 that gave me down thumb is on drugs.

      Berthram Bowles - 2012-01-25 19:59

      I think u have a serene life and a perfect ability to hold out through your teen years and never succumb to peer pressure. I think you have never been influenced by people, fashion, hatred, sadness, depression, etc. I think your life is perfect because you never make mistakes. I also think you are highly uneducated as, last I remember, nicotine, caffeine and alcohol is also drugs, then there are pain tablets, depression meds, sleeping aids, and a lot more. I think I will be the 4th one to thumbs down you, since you are probably the only one who thumbs up-ed yourself...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 20:21

      I'll be the sixth..

      coetzee - 2012-01-26 23:26

      @ Bertie and Blank. Peer pressure? Jy dink jy is cooler as ekke. It is about trying to be cooler than the next person. You will only succumb to peer pressure if you have low self esteem. Tell them to F off and respect your decisions otherwise they are not cool friends. I have my matric and no university degree but I have more money than most people. I do not have to thumbs up myself. I am of to drink my cup of coffee and have my last smoke for the day and will see you guys tomorrow.

  • schoeman3 - 2012-01-25 17:21

    People who use drugs to feel cool and have great parties are sooooooo stupid and deserve to die because they are just that - STUPID!!!!! and then those left behind must pick up the pieces and be sad and mourn about the ones that did the stupid deed. Rather spend your drug money on something good like ice cream, donuts or chocolates and stay alive , maybe fat but alive and well................. something to think about you druggies out there- you are despicable people wasters of life!!!!!you dont deserve to have a life

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-25 20:19

      Well I hope you die because you so stupid you deserve it...

      Merven - 2012-01-26 12:45

      What's wrong PointBlank, got a drug problem yourself? Sure sounds like it.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-26 14:56

      @Mervyn, nope why would you ask? Because I defend people? What poor principles you have..

      Merven - 2012-01-27 07:51

      Will you support murderers? If not, what does that say about your principles? Just as a murderer choose to kill someone, druggies choose to use drugs. I knew a girl many years ago, that was married to a heroin user, I've seen what impact drugs have on the people around the user, they don't give a flying phuck about who gets hurt in their quest for the ultimate 'trip'. Even after their 4 year old son step on his father's needle and end up in ICU, did he thought twice about using again. I've got no respect for druggies, they are destructive and should rot somewhere where they can do no harm to anyone but themselves.

  • Andre - 2012-01-25 17:43

    This is the reason why drug mules and traffickers must be taken out of society because they are nothing but murderers!

      Lufuno - 2012-01-26 16:13

      But drug mules don't put a GUN to anyone's head to use drugs..In life, eerything is about choices..

      foxiloxi - 2012-01-26 18:32

      If there is a demand, there will be a way to supply them = this is where your drug mules come in!! Stop being so ignorant!!

  • Comrade - 2012-01-25 17:59

    that party was to die for!!!

  • shweetee - 2012-01-25 18:53

    Firstly to comment on the situation as it happened - Injecting cocaine is not something you just experiment with. It's not like taking a drag of a joint. You need to know what you're doing to do it properly and get the quantities right, therefore I do believe this was not their first rodeo. People getting together in house doing drugs is also not a first time scenario. Multiple puncture wounds suggests cocaine as the high is short lived and they'd be chasing it more often therefore injecting more often although they could be long time Heroin addicts. So, I it would suggest these guys knew what they were doing, have done it before and simply tipped the scales too far this time. Injecting cocaine is extremely addictive and so they were probably already addicts. To those being judgemental, remember that this is a DISEASE of the mind. You may disagree, but that's because you've never had it. Those of us that have managed to beat it, know that it is real and like cancer, can take your life at any moment. Like cancer, it can affect anyone, your 5 year old (one day), your mom, your dad, YOU!!!. Do not be so quick to think you are above this because I can promise you, you're not.

  • Roann - 2012-01-25 18:57

    I am also of the opinion that all drugs should be legal. It will be cheap to get hold of and it will be of good quality. Once you make all drugs legal you also take money(power) away from criminals. But education is key people should be informed of the danger that goes with it. I do not believe drug are the problem only the crime that is associated with it is. If you dumb enough to get addicted or die oh well survival of the fittest there are to many people on earth anyway.

  • Phiwo Gasa - 2012-01-25 21:35

    Judging from the comments, alot of people are drinking the same laced koolade. Sympathy my a$$!

  • Savvas - 2012-01-25 22:04

    why are people so stupid?? it CAN and WILL happen to you!!!

      Heiku - 2012-01-26 10:48

      Everybody had AIDS!

  • Marlene - 2012-01-25 23:25

    Sachasea did you achieve what you intended to ? Stunning into incredible silence and disbelief by stating WE ALL TAKE DRUGS IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER !! Pls be lucid enough to describe what drug i might be taking ! Please do not tell me you want a doctors prescription for cocaine, heroin, tick, mandrax ... sorry i don't know them all ... my huge apologies (sarc) !! A huge THUMBS DOWN to the 93 people who actually encouraged this outragous statement. Little girl you are very, very sick ..... get help quick !!!!!!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-26 14:57

      Do you smoke? Drink? Take asprin? Then you have taken drugs... I reserve the right to hurl insults and a clearly ignorant person.

      Merven - 2012-01-27 07:53

      People don't murder and assault for aspirin money, lame comparison.