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3rd suspect arrested in Kotzé case

2012-01-13 11:01

Modimolle - Shortly after the court appearance of Johan Kotzé on Friday, police said they had arrested a third person in connection with an attack on his estranged wife and the shooting of her son.

Colonel Mogale Ramatseba said the third person was arrested at around 09:00 in Makapanstad, near Hammanskraal, north of Pretoria.

He would appear in court soon and his case would eventually be joined to that of Kotzé and another man arrested in connection with the attack.

Ramatseba said the police were confident that they would apprehend a fourth person believed to have been involved.

17 charges

Kotzé, 50, and the first co-accused, aged 42, made a brief appearance in the Modimolle Magistrate's Court on Friday and would remain in custody until their next appearance in February.

They face 17 charges, including murder, conspiracy to rape, rape, sexual assault, kidnapping and common assault.

They will appear in court again on February 10.

The court ordered that Kotzé's co-accused not be identified as an identity parade still had to be held.

Kotzé, wearing a khaki shirt and jeans, held his head up as photographers took pictures of him, but his co-accused hid his face under a blue overall jacket.

ANC Women's League members sang liberation songs outside the court before the appearance.

They were angered at what Kotzé had allegedly done, said ANCWL Waterberg treasurer Joy Matshoge.

Angry

"We are very angry. We call on the court not to grant him bail," she said.

"Violence has no colour or race - we are here to support the woman."

She said the ANCWL was also angry that Kotzé had taken advantage of poor, unemployed men, promising them jobs and later allegedly forcing them to attack his wife.

"He is a devil," she said.

Matshoge said the law should be fair towards the men and take into consideration that they had not intended committing the crime.

Comments
  • Ian - 2012-01-13 11:06

    swing his ass

  • Karring - 2012-01-13 11:06

    three down one to go, come on SAPS you can do it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dexter - 2012-01-13 11:06

    The "co-accused" where FORCED to commit these acts at gunpoint!!!!!!

      Sithando - 2012-01-13 11:21

      Victims of a devil does run away deon.Have you ever been traumatised? trauma victims are not upcoming you know,especially when fearing a BUS.

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-13 11:23

      @Deon - they do if they're scared. This case is high-profile.

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 11:27

      forced my ass who the hell gets an erection at gun point...is fear that HARD.

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 11:33

      Sithando what morning pill are you on, if they were victims they shouldve contacted the police. As usual they thought they could run away from their problems, baas se moere! Obviously they were aware of the man hunt if they were innocent they wouldve surrender themself to local authorities after the incident. I don't care that his co-accused are black, i will never support a fellow african who commits such a heinous crime! so don't use the race card to justify their actions.

      Deon - 2012-01-13 11:37

      I am with Rphiri - No normal man get an erection at gun point. Normal men would only make as If they were raping her - wich has happened before.

      Peter - 2012-01-13 12:11

      @RPhiri Agree with you. If they were 'totally' innocent they would have surely contacted the police at their earliest opportunity. If they were his employees, they would have realised that he was now a murderer, and therefore their interests would have been best served by contacting the SAPS asap. I just hope this case is processed quickly as the gory details will be published in all the papers. I just want to hear that Kotze, and others, are sentenced to life without parole. The three rapists were apparently forced. This will be tested in court, which will probably result in lighter sentences.

      Trevor - 2012-01-13 12:36

      so if they were "forced" to rape this woman at gunpoint, why did they not go to the police after the ordeal and why were they hiding from the cops?

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 12:39

      Thank you to all the rational, intelligent people who agree with me. SA does have hope with people of your calibur who still coexist in a society riddled with crime.

  • npretorius2 - 2012-01-13 11:16

    Sorry but I don't believe they were forced. Any normal man would not be able to get an erection under those circumstances. You would be to traumatized. They had to be sick to start off with

      Sithando - 2012-01-13 11:24

      Do not equate a normal man with the non-potentials of your man,please!

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 11:40

      Sithando why do I feel like you are the other suspects the cops are looking for? Why support such animals? unless you are one of them. Perhaps you also only perform at gun point, without a gun - well you are as useful as a used condom.

      npretorius2 - 2012-01-13 11:45

      Is it normal to get an erection when you are witnessing something violent occurring? Is it normal to get randy when witnessing a woman suffering? Sorry boet, but if you deem that normal there's something wrong

      Dexter - 2012-01-13 12:42

      Ja, Ja, Ja, I didn't defend these guys, they got erections, blah, blah, blah, bottom line, is that they where forced at gunpoint to do this, the reason they where there, was to work in the garden. What they did was wrong, but how do you get out of a situation like that, take a bullet to the head, no F-ing way!

  • Michelle - 2012-01-13 11:17

    What bothers me...why did the 3 guys run?

      Sithando - 2012-01-13 11:25

      BECAUSE THEY ARE ALSO VICTIMS OF A MONSTER

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 11:35

      These dogs ran with their tails between their legs.

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 11:41

      Sithando we get two types of faeces in this world: It's you and....well... you again.

      Gerald - 2012-01-13 12:19

      shoo phiri...I agree with your views but u fast losing my respect and are becoming quite trashy yourself. Sithando believes wat he/she does...the case is also too early in the process. How about some respectful mature arguing

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-13 12:31

      @Gerald: Totally agree with you. RPhiri, what's up dude?

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 12:44

      Gerald Sithando is a turd, how do you give a human excrement respect? would you give respect to someone who would perhaps justify the rape of maybe your mom, with comments such as OH THESE GUYS ARE VICTIMS BECOZ THEY BLACK AND POOR?

      rbphiri - 2012-01-13 13:21

      Legend your stupidity is legendry. If someone raped ur wife in a similar manner - would you forgive them merely becoz they black?

      Legend2005 - 2012-01-13 14:23

      so, if it was u RPhiri, would you take a bullet in the head instead? The story that the 3 men were forced to rape the woman obviously came from the woman. According to reports, there were 6 people when the incident happened, the 3 men, Kotze, the stepson who was shot, and the woman, so, the only person who could have said that they were forced is the woman herself. If she says they were forced, who r u to say otherwise?

      Juicecard - 2012-01-13 19:42

      @ RPhiri why do you delight in calling others names when they are entitled to their own opinions?If it were you would you have taken the bullet to your head? You are trying too hard my man!

  • jason.dejongh - 2012-01-13 11:19

    This guy should be tied to a Rhino in the Kruger Park.

      Garth - 2012-01-13 12:05

      He should get raped by a rhino in the Kruger Park, then left for the hyaenas to play with.

      Kosie - 2012-01-13 12:12

      with a couple of viagra's pumped into him so the poachers can cut of his horn.

  • lerato.selane - 2012-01-13 11:27

    You go SAP!!!

  • David - 2012-01-13 11:29

    @Procold2 and Sargon. My teachings is that penise is an involuntary nerve - it doesn't need a sub-conscious mind in order to go up. Other than a threat of a gun on the head of the accomplice, it might have been triggered by the victim. Instead of blasting accomplice and thowing your tantrums about, I suggest you approach the matter very cautiously until we have heard all evidence, including experts' advice on the matter.

      Deon - 2012-01-13 12:33

      They are sick if a naked victim triggered them. Keep them also in jail.

  • Masego - 2012-01-13 11:29

    The is nothing anyone can do to me on these planet earth to force me to Rape a woman.you will have to kill me first,thats if i dont kill you first.besides,show me any man who will kock with a gun stuck to his head.Its bull,they should all rot in hell

      Newsreader - 2012-01-13 12:01

      Masego, I agree with you. But I dont understand how some criminals can actually be so blas'e about rape. It is like tieing their shoelaces. That farmer that was killed near Britz, the 3 men that jumped out the bush and shot and killed the farmer, then the one immediately loosened his trousers to rape the dead mans wife. How sick is that!

  • larisha.toffar - 2012-01-13 11:39

    the man (kotze)is arrested/behind bars - why are they still running??? the men where in the house while mv. Bonette and him where speaking outside, they could have run out the back or a window and called for help? i don't get it...

      Garth - 2012-01-13 12:11

      It is plain for all but the most weak-minded liberal - they were not initially forced, but may have needed coercion when faced with the sight of this psychopath trying to excise his wife's nipples with an angle grinder. No normal man could have watched that through choice and I assume that there is even a trace of normality in a rapist.

  • rulinda.engel - 2012-01-13 11:54

    Why didn't the 3 unwilling victims with the stepson attack Kotze? 4 against 1 even if he did have a weapon one of them would have probably got shot but at least the woman would have been saved and they would have been heros not criminals...we always have a choice!

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-13 12:01

      Yes we do have a choice .... and I guess they chose to follow instructions and not die.

  • Newsreader - 2012-01-13 11:57

    I understand that the two accomplises were caught in the same area of Hammanskraal? What was the reason? Did they all come from that area?

  • Louise - 2012-01-13 12:08

    It's all good and well that these guys have been arreseted, but they might be released on minimal bail and they might get measly sentences...The cops work hard to catch the guys but the judicial system fails.

  • givenr - 2012-01-13 12:15

    If you a victim you go the police and not run from the law... I feel no pity for the men that claim were forced to rape the woman, if you a man who respects women then you would have stood your ground against the monster and if you notice that the woman is being assaulted and you stand and do nothing then it means that you also an accomplice to the crime.... they must just be given life sentences!!!!!!!

  • David - 2012-01-13 12:15

    @Masego and Larisha.Toffar. It sounds like you never heard about men who got raped by women. In your world, it is one dimensional phenomenon - men rape women, finish and klaar. In a work situation, there is a "boss' and an employee and tyhose who know will tell you that there the "boss" is almost always in control. The element of control is more evident in an informal or small-scale employment, which I believe was the case here. In other words, the accomplice were at the call and peck of Kotze, who, according to the report, was armeed and dangerous. Put it simply, is that they found themselves in a situation of whether giving away a brand new car or face the bullet as they did the honourable thing. However, some might argue that they are partners-in-crime because they ran away and did not report the matter to the police. The fact of the matter is that like most ordinary people, they are victims of colonialiasm and racism and it might not have crossed their minds that police would be sympathetic to know that they were forced to have sex with a white woman at a gun point and against their will. I do not triv alise the matter, but hope that Kotze's ex-wife also sees it in that light as she forgive them.

      Rob - 2012-01-13 12:38

      David. It is sad that your lifeview is built around you being a victim of anything (you chose colonialism and racism as your crutch)! I think that it is a rare individual who can honestly say that he/she has not felt abused/cvictimised/badly treated by other individuals or social systems. Mostly you grow out of the victim mentality as you mature and recognise that the world owes you zilch and it is up to you, and nobody else, to cut out your slice. Do try to stop blaming somebody else's past mistakes for your inadequacies!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-13 12:40

      Bullsh@t!!!. You ran way for what? I could have swallow it if they were reporting the incident as soon as possible. They had a witness. They stayed anonymous for other reasons. If you are right it can only means we have people in this country who does not have any humanity left in them. I hope I am wrong and evidence proof that there where other circumstances, but with the info at hand that is my stand. I know this is in bad taste, but take it for what it says vs happening: I heard Kotzilla is going to get a doctor's degree. He is going to treat some older men who can't get it up.

  • itumeleng.teane - 2012-01-13 12:17

    Erection is working o tseba gore motho o swere sethunya. Let's think twice here. These people are enjoying a lot. Why they don't report to the police, instead of reporting or give an evidence they run away. The charge are the same.

      Sam - 2012-01-13 12:40

      O stlatla

      Nyiks11 - 2012-01-16 10:21

      @Itumeleng some erections and orgasms are involuntary , just like the ones you have in your sleep ( morongwa gabariele boss) . Soo sthunya or no sthunya as long as there is a rush of blood to the penis enough to uphold an erection then o tlo hloma tente o rata or o sa rate

  • Clarissa - 2012-01-13 12:17

    Gee die BLIKSIM vir my! Chinese torture vir jou jou vieslike, vieslike, vieslike mansmens!!!! Die wiel draai en ek glo jy sal kry wat jou toekom. n Wit man in Maksimum Sekuriteit in die Gevangenis... Hmmmm, en dan lyk hy soos n boer! Kry vir jou pappa!

  • Rob - 2012-01-13 12:18

    I am not attempting to minimise whatever crimes were committed here, they certainly seem horrific. But of course there will be a story behind it all. BUT what I am proposing is that both the press and the readers should try to bring some balance to their thinking. When considering Kotze's crimes also consider the possibilities of the many people whose lives were lost or damaged by the actions of ínstitutional criminals such as Selebi. Consider also the difference between the types of crime, one presumably driven by passion and anger and done on impulse, the other driven by avarice and greed and done over months/years. To me there is no doubt that the ínstitutional criminal is far more damaging to society and should be dealt with accordingly

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-13 12:57

      Crime is crime, Rob. A woman's son was killed and she was raped - I'm sure she will be asking for the max sentence. Selebi has nothing to do with this case. Why would you even bring it up? Are you trying to minimise Johan Kotse's actions because it's only affected one person/family? Or is it because he's white?

  • Grant - 2012-01-13 12:35

    "Matshoge said the law should be fair towards the men and take into consideration that they had not intended committing the crime." Oh really? This woman makes out as if she were there and knows exactly what happened.

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-13 14:22

      The victim told the story that the men didn't intend on commiting the crime, they were held on gun point so don't blame Matshoge. Lets all wait for the case and hear what the victim and the suspects have to say about it and in the min time lets all Calm the phuck down!!!

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-01-13 12:55

    We should be fair to this guys and be realistic. Which gardener will not have an erection looking at the punani of the madam for the first time in his live whether scared or not. We are talking about gardeners here not some educated graduate. They would probably dye with an erection if they were shot. As for running away after the deeds I think they were scared what the police would do to them for raping the madam. I don't think they would've been alive today if they didn't run away. The police would have tortured and killed them, we know how they operate mos!!!

      dumisiledee - 2012-01-13 14:23

      You're sick Zimbobwe..re:Which gardener will not have an erection looking at the punani of the madam for the first time in his live whether scared or not

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-13 15:11

      @zim: you're an idiot.

  • Tish - 2012-01-13 12:58

    There is only one answer to this and all the other crime that happen in this country BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. I wonder how long it is going take to close this case, and what will this swine get,whilst we the tax payers have to pay for this. BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth"

  • rbdelport - 2012-01-13 13:44

    Give them all bail then drop them off in a location then wait to see if they come out on the other side

  • chantedeangizele - 2012-01-13 13:58

    as hulle dit nie wou doen nie, hulle was 3 teen 1.. hulle kon teen hom baklei het...

  • Thopa - 2012-01-13 14:45

    Comrades, If the guy shot his own stepson & cut off parts of the wife's breast. What choice did the three gardeners have?

  • Masego - 2012-01-13 14:46

    @David.Lebethe."The fact of the matter is that like most ordinary people, they are victims of colonialiasm and racism"this line stood out for me from your comment.i totaly disagree with you,black or white or purple,i refuse to believe that the is anyone who doesnt know that Rape,killing etc is a crime and you will be punished.however,if you want to bring racism into the picture,maybe the three bustards saw the whole thing as an opportunity to taste a WHITE WOMAN,which makes them even more bustards.My Granpa is 90yrs,twice their age,but even at that age,he knows raping is not allowed.So i humbly ask you not to bring the past into these cause its a bullsh*t of an excuse

      david.lebethe - 2012-01-13 16:45

      Are you aware that rape it may also be domestic - we often commit it without knowing it. With respect, the Oupa might have been culprit too, without knowing it. Crime referred to here is not monologue but involved two races (i.e. blacks and whites). I don't know why you can't understand that people who are alleged to have commit rape were forced at the barrel of a gun to rape the lady - a mitigating factor that the court cannot overlook. It is only after they failed the test that one can look at aggrivating factors (why run away when they could report the matter to the police. What is it that you cannot understand there? Notwithstanding the case, is it your call that we should keep quite when poor workers (read blacks) are being harangued for doing something not out of their own will?

  • Ingrid - 2012-01-13 14:52

    BS!!!!! Did they drink Viagra in order to commit the rape?They are as guilty as Kotze, and should also receive the harshest of punishment.What identity parade?Reporters said the 3 rapists wore balaclavas during the attack.Must the people identify the color of the balaclava?????

  • 007gorilla - 2012-01-13 15:19

    All four are as guilty as hell. While one was busy the other 2 could have overpowered him and removed the gun, but they didin't. Why have the 3 Zims cover their faces? So that she could not reconise them. Kotze play hide and seek with Cops that don't know how to do Investigations. Piet Byleveld told them that Kotze was still in Modimole. I also got that feeling. Again one woman id him in the shop and he visit the town twice with the same vehicle. SAPS must start to wake up. He visit the town to be caught.

  • frik.kotze - 2012-01-13 15:22

    @ Mgayi.Sir please dont talk about something you know nothing about.An Adrenalin rush is nonsense ,read about sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems and then talk again,if you understand it

  • Sheralee - 2012-01-13 15:37

    Hey - if they are prepared to do the crime they must do the time. This country needs to take a no nonsense tough stance on all criminals.

      david.lebethe - 2012-01-13 16:52

      I suppose locking you for denying your domestic servant time off and paying her a decent salary. Many don't even care whether they are married or are in a relationship and ned time and space to themselves.

  • isabel.defaria - 2012-01-13 21:10

    I was driving home this afternoon and the proscutor in this case spoke on the radio and said that he was unable to sleep last night after reading the victims statement and he also stated that the three rapists were not forced to rape at gunpoint but did so on instructions from Kotze she was been raped while her son was begging for his life and the boy was killed in another room by Kotze no more need to speculate they are guilty of rape and have to be punished to the full extend of the law ... poverty does not come into this just basic decency which they did not have.

      david.lebethe - 2012-01-14 09:14

      I don't know whether I should believe you or not?! Firstly, is that any legal practitioner (including, the prosecutor) will tell you that they are prohibited by a principle called sub judice not to comment until the matter has been judicially decided by court. On the basis thereof, there is no way that a qualified jurist would be judgmental on issues that were never subjected to any test. It is either that your so-called source is bogus or that you are blinded by prejudice against the so-called accomplice, that you resorted to lying. Secondly, source of your information ha not only broken a code of good journalism - balance reporting - in that the radio station denied its followership the benefit of culprits (including, Kotze) information on the matter. In view thereof, your prejudice against culprits (I would say it is driven by racism if it was not for involvement of Kotze)has reached a point of paralysis and is reflective of your limited intellectual capacity when it comes to debate issues of national interest. However, I am not entirely surprised by your approach - many of your kind think they have God-given right to information and control over others.

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