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98% of LSM1 South Africans black

2012-02-01 16:48

Johannesburg – Ninety-eight percent of people in the lowest living standards measure (LSM 1) in South Africa in 2010 were black, a new study has shown.

This was a slight decrease from 99.7% who were in LSM 1 in 2001, according to the SA Institute of Race Relations' latest SA Survey.

Of people in the highest category, LSM 10, blacks comprised 19% of the total, up from 3% in 2001.

Sixty-five percent of adults in LSM 10 in 2010 were white, compared with 87% in 2001.

"The data shows that the racial differences have narrowed slightly, with more representation of Africans in the top LSM groups than 10 years ago, demonstrating a growing African middle-class," the institute's Lucy Holborn said.

But Holborn said this was considered an under-representation because blacks made up 76% of the adult population.

"There has been a shift to the higher LSMs but it is still racially skewed," she said.

Living Standards Measures are a marketing tool developed by the SA Advertising Research Foundation which divides the population into segments to help define markets.

It does not measure income but gathers data based on where people live and whether they own certain appliances and vehicles.

In 2001, 11% of adults were in LSM 1, the lowest living standard category.

By 2010, only 2% were in the lower LSM - a decrease of 77%.

The proportion of adults in the top three LSM categories - eight to 10 - had also increased by 25%, the institute said.

In 2001, 16% of adults were in LSMs eight to 10, while by 2010 this had increased to 20%, or one in five adults.

Comments
  • Jan - 2012-02-01 16:53

    We know...

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-01 17:42

      PS: The mere fact that you regard Julius as an economic genius says a lot about your intellect. I rest my case.

      goyougoodthing - 2012-02-01 17:51

      LSM1... hmm if you have a pulse and live in a hut your are at least LSM4. These measures are hard to define.

      Wesley - 2012-02-01 18:39

      @Sheep - your comment fits your name

      mundu.olewega - 2012-02-01 18:57

      @ Sheep....yeah like that worked so well for Zim. Now all your brudders from there are looking here for a better life.

      Sean - 2012-02-01 21:15

      @Sheep , keep on dreaming , by the time it is changed the whole country is f@cked ! The poor will stay poor and is mainly caused by the african leaders that suffer from a disease called AFRICANISM ! So you keep on dreaming and when you open your eyes , it`s too late !

      Graham - 2012-02-01 21:17

      " By 2010, only 2% were in the lower LSM - a decrease of 77%." At least the bottom bracket is shrinking - something right is happening. I hope we can cut this category by another 77% by 2020..

      Jeeves - 2012-02-01 21:18

      Am I the only one that can see a white troll in Sheeps clothing?

      Graham - 2012-02-01 21:18

      There are some miserable comments here. See the positives and do something about the negatives...

      Joseph - 2012-02-02 09:08

      That is the main reason why the whole of Africa has only the top Goverment rich and all their followers are dying of hunger like Zim Moz and the whole north Africa.

      Dirk - 2012-02-02 10:02

      Exactly the same elsewhere in Africa and indeed the world

      Schalk - 2012-02-02 11:49

      To the moron who removed my comment: Jou ma se m--r!

      Maggyone - 2012-02-02 12:01

      why are u surprised!Africa is a black/brown continent.i would like to know how many europeans are in LSM1 in europe ,,given the fact that there is also as much poverty in europe particularly east europe.anyone with the answer?

      Pierre - 2012-02-02 12:06

      Crime statistics closely reflect the population demographics of the country and therefore do not imply one group is more criminal by nature.

      Pierre - 2012-02-02 12:52

      The article says 98% of the “lowest living standards” group is black, however black people make up 76% of the population. Therefore the very low income group is skewed towards black people and of course apartheid had a big influence on that. The big positive of the article is the drop from 11% to 2% of people in this very low income group and the growing black middle class. That is a big positive for everybody as poverty causes problems for everybody. That’s it, why the big hysterics in the comments. It’s actually some good news. (Where is @Sheeps comment?)

      jorg.steinhage - 2012-02-02 13:08

      It seems the attitude of our government is that they want more whites at the bottom. Instead maybe what about trying to lift those blacks out of poverty? Or maybe rather just carry on chasing the capital you have here away...

      Thandiwe - 2012-02-02 16:31

      @Jorg - according to this article, more black people are being lifted out of poverty.

  • Lorenzo - 2012-02-01 16:55

    This may have something to do with the fact that around 85% of South Africans are black??

      Lyndatjie - 2012-02-01 16:57

      76% - not 85%

      DiamondDirk - 2012-02-01 17:18

      @Sheep - How exactly do you get to your point of view. Apartheid has been abolished. The only people that are pushing that agenda still is people with your mentality. It is a communist way of thinking. It has nothing to do with black or white. Stop blaming apartheid for your laziness and inability to put pressure on the government to adhere to their promises made in 1994.

      Adam - 2012-02-01 17:24

      @Sheep: Many thanks for quelling any doubts that genetics plays a pivotal role in IQ disparity

      Shistirrer - 2012-02-01 17:59

      Paul, what is a "white corporate"? When I last looked, corporates belong to their shareholders. Please enlighten us to what stops anybody from buying shares in a corporate? Except of course when parastatals list on the JSE, and the IPO is restricted to include only blacks, but I'll let that one slide for now...

      John - 2012-02-01 18:00

      Yes, maybe according to the government, but with the borders wide open to Zim and Mozambique, you will find that the true ratio is over 90% black. They say 48 million blacks ? more likely 64 million blacks currently living in SA. This skews the impression that all the poor are black.

      Travis - 2012-02-01 18:02

      ROFL@Sheep.... I can't speak for those who in fact benifitted financially from apaartheid, but I can speak for myself. I have worked for everything I own and your type certainly can't have it! The sense of entitlement never seems to amaze me.

      Travis - 2012-02-01 19:08

      *"ceases to amaze", not "seems to amaze"...Grammer Nazi'd by myself :P

      Christopher - 2012-02-02 08:45

      @Paul...is that your real name or did you change it to sound white?

      Pierre - 2012-02-02 12:59

      Yes the article said 76%. Where is @Sheeps comment? Ha-ha he must have written about some unwanted truths, judged by the p’ed off reaction.

  • Romy - 2012-02-01 16:59

    Poor and deceptive journalism....Urgggg

      mystae - 2012-02-01 19:11

      This has nothing to do with the quality of journalism. The only thing it shows is that change is not government's #1 priority. Whether the change is good or bad - I don't care; create your own change, work for the things you want.

      Colourless - 2012-02-01 21:25

      @Paul and the rest of the BLACK racists, I am very curious... that wonderful implement you press buttons on... a computer is a western-made item, the building you sit in all nice and cosy, was a western creation, the electricity that you use was discovered by a "western" man, the power stations were designed by a western man... (List goes on) so if you hate the white western man as much as you do, why don't you break the computer and break the building with the spears of your forfathers and sit make them yourselves, why not? BECAUSE CAUSING A FIGHT OVER THE COLOUR OF YOUR SKIN gives you a false sense of purpose. Get over yourselves, no one cares.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-01 22:50

      @Paul.. You dumb droll.. even educated people have to compete. The reality is that it's the "hard work" that comes into play, but I dont think you'd know anything about that. So! put your loin cloth back on and go and crawl back into the hole where you come from and meditate about this!

      Cameron - 2012-02-02 01:34

      @PAUL....do the country a favour and get hit by a bus or something please...thanks

  • Max - 2012-02-01 16:59

    Thes figures will again be blown out of proportion seen that no substantiated conclusions can be made without explaining for example quantities in the different categories etc. But the figures will make good propaganda material for BEE arguments. The important figures are the ones that indicates the shift in the middle class wealth.

      Graham - 2012-02-01 21:23

      ANC and DA both support BEE - no major party is against it..

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-01 22:56

      BullS()(T The DA do all employments based on merit, honesty and reliability. Go like a good li'l boy and do your homework!

      Graham - 2012-02-02 02:13

      http://www.da.org.za/docs/6674/21941%20DA%20Manifesto%20Eng.pdf That is the DA manifesto - they clearly state under the section Economy and Jobs that they support BEE. Your post was dripping in anger - it is sad that there are people in this world with such a nasty, sarcastic streak who feel they have to plumb the depths of the English language to make their erroneous points..

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-02-02 08:12

      I do not agree Max that this is will make good propaganda material for BEE. The figures highlights how stupid it is to assume that everyone that is black, has a disadvantage and is poor. One in five South Africans that are rich (LSM10) are black. Telling statistic! If BEE/AA had a living standard basis instead of race, those benefits could have been used to uplift those on LSM1.

      Pierre - 2012-02-02 12:27

      Max, I agree on one thing. The growth of the middle class is the important thing. The larger the middle class and the more the middle class reflect the population of SA the better it is for everybody. People that feel threatened by the growing black middle class are very short sighted. Poverty is a cause of many problems and the fever people we have in that “lowest living standards” bracket, the better for everybody.

  • ISO - 2012-02-01 17:01

    Well look at the ratio - 6mil white and 40mil blacks and then you see a different picture. By the way there is over 800 white settlements in South Africa, so i dont see what the fuzz is about! Trying to get votes for the ANC again, saying apartheid still exsists!

      Tonja Reiners - 2012-02-01 17:20

      True

      Ewan - 2012-02-02 07:54

      The stats have changed ISO, 4.6mil white, 4.4mil coloured and 1.2mil indian. In addition, the rest (39mil) are black south africans and neighbouring africans. Source: www.statssa.gov/za - Mid year population estimates 2010. Now i find it ironic that a law has to be passed that prevent the 4.6mil to get jobs but make sure that the 44.7mil may get jobs. Based only on the colour of their skin. Yet with all the BBBEE laws and employment 'equity' in place, the top LSM 10 still have a large percentage of this minority group that is being pushed to the side line and blamed for everything that the others feel they don't have. Also, keep in mind that only about 60% of the 4.6mil are working adults. So the figures are even less. I just hope that one day we will see that working together we will be able to feed more hungry tummies.

  • Karmah - 2012-02-01 17:07

    This article is so misleading it's not even funny.

      Colourless - 2012-02-01 17:10

      Yes, but Sheep is hilarious.

      Karmah - 2012-02-01 17:50

      Sheep don't come talk to me about facts. The FACT is the number of Black south africans Outweighs the number of White south africans Three fold. Hence these figures are Misleading. ofcourse there will be more in poverty from one side. Take your racists apartheid OBSESSION and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I am white, i studied and am qualified and cannot find a job. WHY? because i am white. So don't come to talk to me about your silly little opression in 2012. It's over, it's done. Get a life and move on you troll.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-02 00:23

      Karmah, blacks 'outweigh' whites in South Africa by more than 45 times. In spite of that they still see themselves as inferior (God only knows why).

  • Randomhero6661 - 2012-02-01 17:09

    its our fault again i can sense it already...

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-02-01 17:23

      are you coming to my 351st birthday bash in ventersdorp jan van riebeeck will also be there...

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-02-01 18:12

      @sheep you troll! where you go?

  • kznshark - 2012-02-01 17:15

    @Sheep...what is "aperthied"?

      Colourless - 2012-02-01 17:17

      LOL!!!!

      Ray - 2012-02-01 17:24

      @sheep-having checked all your posts,it is a pity that in 350 years we were not able to teach people like yourself to spell.

      kznshark - 2012-02-01 17:25

      @Sheep...i may be a retard, but at least i can spell...don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes now...

      Pierre - 2012-02-02 14:29

      @ Kznshark - I will answer that. In short Apartheid was when the whites reduced blacks to a worker or even slave class. Laws were introduced to restrict movement, deny political rights, prevent property ownership and restrict education and work opportunities for black people. The big miracle however is that apparently this had no influence on crime, poverty and unemployment we have today. (Yeh, I got the spelling jibe.)

      Charles - 2012-02-02 17:12

      @Pierre, can't agree more. But why invest billions in arms deals when that money can be better spent on education. We can only change the future by changing the present, and faults of the past cannot be blaimed for lack of action now. (Ps, I may or may not have benefitted from the arms deal)

  • David - 2012-02-01 17:17

    @SHEEP-We can see that--you are doing that by destroying the country. Unfortunately there are no whites as good as you in that area.

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-02-01 17:20

    lol jah neh...slowly but surely, someday we'l get there===>>>equality...where there's no black or white.

  • cameronjohnprice - 2012-02-01 17:22

    So we are moving in the right direction?

  • eddiebant - 2012-02-01 17:24

    Most of this info came from the census that was taken."It does not measure income but gathers data based on where people live and whether they own certain appliances and vehicles."-some stuff or appliances the blacks 'dont want' or need. What a stupid study.

  • Pawel - 2012-02-01 17:26

    Comparing 70 million people vs 4 million, I see a flaw in these calculations...

      Wim - 2012-02-01 18:07

      Sheep, you must get a real history book. Blacks and whites first came into contact less than 250 years along the Fish river, and black continued to live in a primitive tribal system for the next 100 years. By the looks of it some are still trapped in that system.

      Paul - 2012-02-01 18:19

      Wim what history books are you reading? You have never read any history books only quoted from the one sided information passed down by your forefathers.

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-01 18:41

      Sheep you are a wingnut! open your eyes, ears and mind and look at what the way of thinking that you are spewing here is doing to your people. The minority who happen to be white/pink have a different mindset, they choose to work hard, they choose to limit the number of children to what they can afford to feed, clothe and educate. Surprisingly enough Sheep nothing in life is for free and equally surprising this has nothing to do with apartheid. It has however a lot to do with making informed and educated choices, choices that will bring benefits in the long run.

      Wim - 2012-02-01 18:47

      Paul, obviously I can't read your forefathers history books. After all most of your tribe couldn't read or write until Verwoerd taught them how.

      Sean - 2012-02-01 21:26

      Sheep- Make less babies and stop being obsessed with white people !

      Heibrin - 2012-02-02 00:28

      Paul: go and look at the journals of old explorers, you know, the one's sent back to countries like England, Holland etc, and now sits in museum archives, and you'll see the exact dates they met blacks etc. THAT is how we determine history. If you want to tell me that those explorers foresaw your need for validation back than, you're more than welcome to tell Peter Pan I'll pay him back for the R50 I borrowed last week.

      Deon - 2012-02-02 10:05

      Uplifting starts with better education. Many people of all races that don't work did not finish school.

      jackivdm - 2012-02-02 11:22

      Sheep, I think you really should start sweeping in front of your own door (that is an idiom - look it up if you don't know what it means). If the prosperity of white people can only be attributed to Apartheid, you would expect white people in other parts of the world where there were no Apartheid laws, especially Europe, to be in the same position as black people in SA. But that is not the case. I can also safely deduce that had my ancestors never come to South Africa in the first place that I would not be worse off than I am now - in fact, I would be living in Europe, have a European passport and would therefore not be treated with suspicion everywhere I go. The only conclusion that can therefore reasonably be made is that Apartheid was never part of the equation determining the welfare of white people in South Africa.

  • reginald.dube - 2012-02-01 17:27

    that topic that send people to the mountain of racism. but we all that apartheid is part of the reason for these LSM's. we know that that black education was inferior to that of white people. but we also know that education under ANC has not been the best in the world (even in africa) and on average a white person earn more that a black person, even if they have the same qualification. yet on average a white person complain more than a black person...... maybe is because they say the "pay more tax"

      Lionel - 2012-02-02 08:24

      Some valid points, one thing: education in the townships is now worse than bantu education. The ANC govt's excessive control of matter's economic, restricts the growth of small enterprises.

      reginald.dube - 2012-02-02 09:04

      its sad when people call us stupid yet cant read.... i have admitted that under ANC the education is bed. now lets see black education under apartheid was inferior ? yes or no. most CEO were educated 30 years ago ? yes or no. and biggest mistake you can make is assuming cause i am black i support ANC....... in fact i support PAC.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 09:49

      I am with you. Like I keep saying ...this forum reminds me everyday that apartheid was never voted away. Had it not been for international pressure, the majority of whites would still be voting for the nationalist party. You only have to see the racist drivel spewed out here on a daily basis. Any news story has to be reduced to the racial inadequacies of black people. Makes you wonder what the AWB forum is like. The facts are 1. the vast majority of poor people in this country are black. 2. Apartheid eliminated any means of wealth creation in the black communities. (hence the passing of acts like the 1913 land act which was designed to curb a rising wealthy black peasant class 3. The post apartheid ANC government has, largely because of corruption and lack of leadership skills of the comrades, not succeeded in changing the status of South African blacks. Black people are still, as in apartheid times, still dying from malnutrition, still being subjected to poor education and still dying from third world diseases. I voted DA last time. But my encounter with the DA rank and file on this forum has convinced me that the DA is not the way to go. So what is the PAC doing to make itself a viable opposition party?

      Merven - 2012-02-02 10:42

      @Reginald, you can have the best education in the world, and you'll still have a entitlement mindset. There are ministers that owns huge salaries, and yet their wives still smuggle drugs. There are diplomats that earn huge salaries, and yet their kids still high jack cars. You guys are so brain washed by the ANC, it will take generations to get you to drop your 'victim/entitlement' mindset. 'fact: black people earn less to whits with the same qualification' ever thought of it may be because of the fact that blacks got a lower pass rate to qualify for the same degree, doctors are a good example. If you must get 90% to become a doctor for an example to 75%, you are much more educated and deserve more money, and here you can only blame the ANC for making different pass rates for different races.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 11:00

      Merven Fact 1. the majority of whites go to well equipped schools and get world class education...just like in apartheid time 2. The majority of blacks go to very poorly equipped schools and get an education that is lower in standard than that of most African countries..let alone the world. # Now if I get a 75% pass having studied all my life in dysfunctional schools surely that mark is superior to the 90% obtained by someone who has attended world class schools all his/her life. Are you able to understand this?

      Gail - 2012-02-02 11:35

      Hi Reginald. What I know for sure is that apartheid IS NOT the ONLY reason for these LSM's!Fact: Black education under white rule was better than Black education under Black rule - the standard of education is currently under criticism by your own government because they knew too little and were so bent on revenge that they threw out the perfectly good system. Black teachers will tell you this. FACT: Your second fact contradicts Fact 1. The reason they are CEO's is because they received better education and were more motivated by Western methods. Fact 3 Black people earn less than white people with the same education. B-S--T. People are paid according to several factors not just education. Experience, competence and value added to the economy. My children certainly do earn more than they would here and one of them was also disadvantaged under apartheid due to pigheadedness. Why is this? It is because they work in First World countries. The youngest earns the most and he gave back before he left. He speaks 7 languages including Xhosa and Mandarin and Arabic. No he didn't go to a private school as all ANC leaders children do; the one with disadvantage has an amazing work ethic despite only Grade 9. The other didn't capitalise on what he received and yet he is still well paid and studying at age 37. Historically Black Saffas had no written legacy of text books and literature. Finally I am not a scared white racist. I am a disappointed white Saffa because vital areas have fallen

      Wim - 2012-02-02 11:52

      Nkulekweni, how do you bring 1913 and apartheid together? You seem to have a very poor grasp of history. So called 'bantu education' was introduced in 1953 as the first universal education system for blacks. Prior to that very few blacks had access to formal education. Since 1994 the current regime had the opportunity to reform the system, and the results are there for all to see. If someone like Mamphela Ramphele says Bantu Education was better you should start to look elsewhere than at whites or apartheid to blame for the problem. I suggest you start with now universally acknowledge IQ test results for sub-Sahara Africa. @reginald dube, you should try 'spelling check'. It should be within you capacity.

      Gail - 2012-02-02 11:55

      Hi Reginald - no offence intended but so that you know bed is actually spelt bad. I don't know what bad is in your language nor how it is spelt and would appreciate your telling me because I want to know. Do not see this as a slight to Blacks only. Many second language English speakers spell it that way because English people tend to pronounce it quickly and those who aren't English hear an eh sound instead of an a as in appple. A bed is what you sleep on. I am teaching Grade 4 Afrikaans white children and they also hear eh for a. For what it's worth I personally believe that part of our problems here are the application of advanced civilisation from cultures who came from different environments where they had to learn how to survive winters so harsh and came her and applied the same methods to a continent where the people who migrated south had learned to be grateful for what nature provided and whose values were very different for that different. The colonists of America faced different people and used a totally different approach - if the natives were unfriendly and revolting then kill them. Then they found that the few who remained w/couldn't help them build and toil so they imported slaves and forced them to work which is why Negroes are a minority and not African at all. In South Africa missionaries tried to change and uplift while European colonial govts just saw money and obstructed missionaries intentions. All white SA descendents are still in the minority here.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 12:18

      Wim Please read posts well before you comment on them. Nowhere do I say that the standard of education for black people under the ANC government has improved. In fact...the deterioration of an already poor system began with the fight against apartheid. Some schools have never recovered. You are right ...the 1913 lact act was passed before the introduction of apartheid laws in the late 50s. I wrote short cut using the term apartheid for the the whole system of dispossession and discrimination as practised in SA. The 1913 land act is just one example. It was in 1910 with the birth of the Union that blacks were barred from being members of parliament except in the Cape. The Masters and Servants Act and the job reservation acts that stated that blacks could not be skilled and professional workers were also passed long before the birth of apartheid. In future I will not use apartheid as a cover all noun for all these discriminatory laws and practices. Institutional racism has a much longer history in SA.

      Merven - 2012-02-02 12:37

      No, I don't understand it, my IQ is 132, I fail to understand your failed logic.

      Gail - 2012-02-02 12:38

      @ Nkulukweni. Oh and before I forget Reginald waist is your measurement around your suus(spelling) when you buy a belt. The word you wanted was waste - its a homophone (sounds the same spelled differently means different things). Nkulukweni, to answer your post. You make very true statements there. The vast majority of poor people are black. How many of that vast majority are actually born in South Africa and not further North. Is wealth all it is cracked up to be? Historically whites have always been vastly outnumbered by blacks but from the outset they were willing to teach anyone who wanted to learn. when my ancestors came here they brought money with them as well as skills unknown to Africans. They had to adapt those skills while resisting the natural reluctance of the black people they encountered to accept them. They died of African diseases and they introduced diseases unknown to Africa to those who roamed the continent. They educated those Africans who were willing to learn Western methods mostly at missionary schools. Together they built the infrastructure which we all take as our right today. The 1913 Land Act certainly was unfriendly but it had a positive reaction among black people. The ANC was formed to fight for the right of ALL black people. Prior to that there were disparate groups who engaged in wars with one another. The 1913 Land Act was a watershed because enemies realised that they had to unite to overcome a common enemy's power. The divisions remained.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 12:49

      No Merven you would not understand. That is the whole point and indeed the whole tragedy. And your IQ? Tell me what you know about systems of measuring IQ. Or do you want time to conduct your reseach first?

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 13:01

      Hi Gail Thanks. Yes the 1913 land act was a powerful catalyst. But the ANC was formed in 1912 to respond to other discriminatory acts, introduced after the Uniona including the barring of black people from participating in parliament. I have absolutely nothing against the arrival of white people on these shores. There were black people in Europe long before the slave trade and colonialism. One of the famous Russian generals was black. Presumably from Ethiopia or Nubia (That was the known Africa.) I do not deny that westerners brought with them skills that Africans did not have. This was not the first wave of peoples coming into the continent from whom African learnt..the Arabs preceeded Europeans (even in the negatives such as slave trading) AFricans also shared the skills they had with those Europeans willing to learn. (There is a whole history of Europeans being shipwrecked on the Cape and Skeleton coast adn living amongst African communities.) What I have beef with, is people who refuse to acknowledge that the discriminatory practices that were then introduced after and during the formation of a SOuth African state highly disadvantaged black populations. How many white people writing here haev been to black locations to look at black schools, blakc clinics ect. How many people writing here know of the plethora of laws that were enacted to remove blakc people any facility ect that would enable them to lead decent lives and not be condemned to being labourers ect.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 13:10

      What I find completely appalling is the denial by the majority on this forum that this long history of discrimination totaly debilitated the vast majority of the black population. I am sitting here in front of a computer able to write because my great grand parents were educated at a missionary school..before laws were passed that barred black people from accessing such education. I find this inability to accept the extent of the destruction caused by racial discrimination in this as appalling as the corruption of a group of people who were supposed to lead all South African to a better future but who are instead continuing to lord over the impoverishment of the vast majority of South Africans. That i'll state again and again that the twin evils that are faced by this country are racism and corruption. Why can't the racists and the corrupt officials see that the creation of a bigger middle class will boost the economy of this country...more people to buy, more production, less crime, ,more skills, more innovation ect.

      Wim - 2012-02-02 13:31

      Nkulekweni, Your short cut prom ted my reaction, because of the general tendency to lump all the ills of the past (and present) under apartheid. But I think we are on the same page. The 1913 Land Act did not fall from the sky, and the causes and drivers of that kind of legislation is still with us. Unfortunately you voted for some of the champions of that system.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 14:10

      Wim ...I have stated that I voted for DA in the last election...I have not revealed who I voted for before that...so no you cannot claim to know who I vote for unless of course you are another mystic meg.

      Wim - 2012-02-02 15:50

      Nkulekweni: My, aren't you quick to judge. I did not make any assumptions. I took you on your word.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 16:33

      Wim Fair enough... Hackles down ...Knickers untwisted :-)

  • Jymiro - 2012-02-01 17:41

    Figures don't lie. We just have to acknowledge what we all know is true. Apartheid has mess up. Black people were denied access to better education. It Verwoed who systematically achestrated polices that denied Blacks access to better education, better job opportunities and to acquire property. This is South African History 101. We all know that. Do you expect the figures to change dramatically in 17 years for policies that were adopted for 55 years ago. For once lets agree on this one. Sheep I support you but not Malema for President.

      Karmah - 2012-02-01 17:54

      LOL thats a joke. The education they had access to is ten times better than what is available now. Shame go read a book and stop believeing all the crap malema and his buddies tell you.

      Jymiro - 2012-02-01 18:19

      Access to education means inter alia having educational facilities (libraries, lab, sports facilities etc), quality classrooms, educationa material (books etc) and quality educational content of selected books etc. All of what I mentioned was never available for Blacks but only for Whites. Combination of subjects were such that Black must be teachers, nurses or policemen. Please educate yourself about your countries history if you care. Don't expose your ignorance please.

      Paul - 2012-02-01 18:20

      Wim our tribal land prior to the 'english' landing here?

      Wim - 2012-02-01 19:02

      Yes Paul, tell your chief to take his title deed along when he makes his claim.

      Byron - 2012-02-01 19:55

      Sheep is a troll. Placed here to denigrate that which he claims to represent. Obvious troll is obvious.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-02 00:37

      @Jymiro: Have you ever thought about where we would be if the eduction structures that had been in place ('Combination of subjects were such that Black must be teachers, nurses or policemen.') had been left in place? Your children thought by qualified teachers, the sick taken care of by trained nurses and a police force who would have been professional. The ANC (and black people in general, I've found) would cut off their noses if it meant spoiling their 'white' faces. Abolishing Teacher's Colleges, Nurses Colleges and Police Colleges being a prime example.

      carpejugulim - 2012-02-02 08:35

      @ Paul ... our tribal land prior to the 'english' landing here was actually tribal land belonging to the Khoisan ... that makes you a settler too bud.

      Esther - 2012-02-02 12:28

      It was the choice of the ANC to destroy education, using children to fight their battles.Remember the slogan 'Freedom before education" . Now that you have your so called 'freedom', you are crying about the fact that you are not educated. Perhaps you should have gone to school instead of burning books and school buildings.

      Abe - 2012-02-03 05:31

      So your argument is that black people are poor because of Apartheid? Your statements then naturally imply that black people were better off BEFORE Apartheid and that Apartheid was the CAUSE of the EFFECT you call poverty, ie. not having access to modern inventions (the criteria for this study). I suppose then that under Shaka Zulu or any of the tribal leaders, black people were as wealthy as the whites of europe. I suppose everyone recieved a 1st class education, electricty and access to medical care. You also had a fair and just political system where no one was unfairly treated. Your leaders were moral and never trampled on your "human rights". There were jobs for everyone and you were allowed to aquire and own property. .......that was untill the evil white people came and destroyed your magnificent universities and double storey mansions. They confiscated the powerstations, cut off your electricity supply and and took away your flatscreen tvs. They smashed all your toilets and severed all the pipes leading from the majestic resevoirs and aquaducts that you built. They then MADE you forget how to read and write and forced you to use witchdoctors instead of real doctors. Do you see what I am getting at here? Black people had even less BEFORE Apartheid, so your statements are based on a logical falacy. If the effect existed before the cause then the cause can not be the catalyst of the afformentioned effect.

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-13 19:44

      @Jymiro apartheid was bad. A minority of the minority instituted it. But with that said, after world war 2, specifically the blitz krieg in britain where london was levelled to the ground, it took them just 10 years to rebuild. Look at Malaysia. After their independance, it took them just about 10 years to build one of the greatest places on earth out of nothing, including a flourishing economy. We on the other hand, had a strong infrastructure and first class cities. All the anc had to do was build on it. So i find your '17 years' a little irrelevant. The anc has messed up big time. They could have done sooooooooooo much more!!

  • rory.short1 - 2012-02-01 17:45

    I look forward to the day when there is no racial quantification in this kind of reporting. Guess what, it is people that are being reported on. The fact there is such a large proportion of the population in LSM1 is distressing, it actually does not matter what colour they happen to be they are still severely economically distressed and that is what should concern all of us.

  • Corne - 2012-02-01 17:47

    Why dont they rather focus on crime statistics than to show segregation within our nation.

  • RE - 2012-02-01 17:52

    n24 is sooooo coool, but look the worry in my eyes.. hatred leads 6ft under...

  • Ryan - 2012-02-01 17:54

    Who's eating pap and chuck tonight????

  • Lunga Mahlaba - 2012-02-01 17:58

    joseph my man, u are truly lost to be thinking blacks haven't achieved anything - u have water, lights and food on your table.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-02-01 18:05

      I don't think everyone has read the entire article! Only 2% of the Country are in LSM1 - a 77% improvement in ten years. That is something to be proud of. You will probably find that they are child-headed households due to AIDS-related parental fatalities, or in deep rural areas which have been neglected by our current Government. Good to see they are making an effort in Transkei - at last.

      Robi - 2012-02-01 18:20

      Lunga,what do you mean? water and lights in squatter camps. And hunger on the table. poverty on the face

      lindz.kok - 2012-02-01 19:06

      i tend not to put my lights on the table, and water on the table also not my roof doesnt leak i keep it well maintaned

  • Cracker - 2012-02-01 18:07

    Hello Sheep (Not a collective but the name used by a commentator here), Why do we see an influx of foreigners into this country from countries where they tried the same methods you advocate for this country but we do not see an exodus out of this country to those countries? Anybody who thinks wealth exists because you happen to sit on a little piece of land is deluded. We see the famine and death to our north as one of the consequences. Wealth depends on a myriad of factors. Most of it dependents on human capital. Try to take that element out of the economy and you commit suicide. You can confiscate for example all the assets held by and administered by Sanlam or Old Mutual. Immediately all value is destroyed. Only the empty shell left. The whole chain of wealth distribution gone in one foul swoop. To be replenished by what? No social grants, etc. Come Eastern countries, take us. NOBODY prevents blacks from participating in the economy. In fact, the law encourages it and firms are desperate for competent blacks to help with their expansion and gaining of contracts. But what are we instead being treated to? Look around you. We are where we are today and that is how it will be and stay until some honest effort and honesty is allowed to take over. Some hard questions need to be asked AND TRUTHFULLY ANSWERED. One thing though, don’t expect others to deliberately part with what they have so they can join that 98% identified in the survey. That would be total madness.

      Hennie - 2012-02-02 11:09

      No need to explain to Sheep , that SHEEP will not understand a word you have just said.The English is to GOOD!!!,,

  • Charl - 2012-02-01 18:11

    only reason for the shift in wealth is merely because of the racist laws we have in this country ie BEE, affirmative action and the equity act. Period.

      braamc - 2012-02-01 18:15

      Indeed, a majority needs to be protected (by law) - BEE from a minority, never heard of it across the world.

      kwazingcebo - 2012-02-02 13:18

      so I'm assuming wealth should be one sided????? amazing maybe we should have WEE!!Period

  • Motho - 2012-02-01 18:13

    Unfortunately, most comments on this chat site are racial instead of being insightful. Someone compiled research report then let's criticise the research in positive manner.

      Robi - 2012-02-01 18:21

      Motho, this is the true research about SA people.Hatred

  • Robi - 2012-02-01 18:13

    Is life in SA about blacks and whites?. I think the institution is creating more conflict between blacks and whites. Is the institution relevant taking us forward?It creates impression of more rich whites than blacks.Who cares?. Or is it sending message to politicians that they are not doing enough to address the imbalances of the past? What is the point of comparing people in terms of race groups?. Instead of comparing,they should have reported that 98% people in SA still falls in lsm 1 and 2% in lsm 10. Comparing in terms of race is bad and not leading us anywhere and setting us against each other like most of the comments in this reporting.

  • Ray - 2012-02-01 18:13

    Hi Frank-I don't think Sheepsh*t will know,but I think Rednecks were the poms[like me]who got sunburned in the Boer War{or rooinekke-not sure of spelling}In the USA they are poor whites/hillbilly types with dubious behaviour patterns. Anyway,that is beside the point I want to make. If we have stolen from the blacks,check the news-they are rapidly stealing it back via hijacking,mugging,robberies,home invasions etc. Most of my friends and their friends have suffered one of these violent crimes-and,guess what-in no case was it a white perpetrator.Surprised?

  • Eduard - 2012-02-01 18:14

    People actually pay this "writer of the story" for his time wasted on providing this info?

  • Jim - 2012-02-01 18:15

    I dont care

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-02-01 18:17

    The billions the government has squandered on corruption , nepotism and showerman could OD drastically reduced this figure.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-01 18:17

    It does not measure income but gathers data based on where people live and whether they own certain appliances and vehicles. wtf

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-02-01 18:17

    The billions the government has squandered on corruption , nepotism and showerman could of drastically reduced this figure.

  • Fanie - 2012-02-01 18:20

    I am LSM-10. So what. Just because i have a house i do not qualify for a state pension.

      Cracker - 2012-02-01 18:28

      You are sitting on a gold mine. Get yourself another house and start renting the current one out per room or a half room or even a quarter room per family. Don't leave the garage out of it. About R1500 or more per family. That's how it's done by...foreign nationals in this country. South Africa is a haven for some. Seriously.

      Cracker - 2012-02-01 18:29

      But of course South Africans will not cross borders into other countries and try the same there. Why not? Some very awkward questions and truthful answers needed.

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-02-01 18:30

    As if we ddnt already know this, lets complain sum more.

  • Ndivhuwo - 2012-02-01 18:33

    Intelligence is not an exclusively white attribute that only resides in white genes, you can't expect to rectify black issues in 18 years, way less than half the period they spent in segregation (several centuries), when the economy itself is still segregated.

  • Wesley - 2012-02-01 18:38

    And the other 2% is the highest living standards measure (HSM 1), who us the black ANC comrades that only look at there own pocket

  • Win - 2012-02-01 18:38

    RObi what happened to all the english speaking white south africans not every white is an afrikaaner!!

  • hennie.dreyer1 - 2012-02-01 18:50

    And how do change that? Not through BBBEE that have been proven beyond reasonable doubt, but by providing that 98% with skills needed to grow the economy. Simple and not requiring any rocket science.

      kwazingcebo - 2012-02-02 13:26

      Wow Hennie I agree with u we need solutions, and better means to provide for less priveledged people not the BEE as it only works for the elite few not the people on the ground..

  • Christo - 2012-02-01 18:56

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  • Riebens - 2012-02-01 19:15

    always the negative....and the racially motivated for headlines .. .shame What about Low income decreases by 77% for adults. or Growing African middle-class

      Merven - 2012-02-02 10:48

      Yes, but good news sadly don't sell news papers. If people want good news they'll go to church.

  • Don - 2012-02-01 19:32

    Did they pay for this report ??? Its logic, what else did they expect to note... 98% by now LSM 5 +. Everone driving a car, living in a middle class 3 bedroom home... blah blah ...Please be realistic !!!

  • Michael - 2012-02-01 19:32

    The main reason for that is poverty is also BEE.

  • Vuyo - 2012-02-01 19:51

    What percentage of whites run their own businesses . The majority of those I know are employed .The LSM issue that whites get payed more than blacks is a legacy of the past .

  • TheWatcher - 2012-02-01 19:59

    LSM1 is the worst standard and lsm10 is the highest but there is now mention in this article of the middle groups where I presume most of the country would be in. Only 2% of the country is in the lowest category. This article provides limited information and is therefore not a good source to draw any conclusions. Here's the list of things they use to decide 1. Hot running water 2. Fridge/freezer 3. Microwave oven 4. Flush toilet in house or on plot 5. VCR in household 6. Vacuum cleaner/floor polisher 7. Have a washing machine 8. Have a computer at home 9. Have an electric stove 10. Have TV set(s) 11. Have a tumble dryer 12. Have a Telkom telephone 13. Hi-fi or music center 14. Built-in kitchen sink 15. Home security service 16. Have a deep freeze 17. Water in home or on stand 18. Have MNet and/or DStv 19. Have a dishwasher 20. Metropolitan dweller 21. Have a sewing machine 22. DVD player 23. House/cluster/ town house 24. 1/more motor vehicles 25. No domestic worker 26. No cell phone in household 27. 1 Cell phone in household 28. None or only one radio 29. Living in a non-urban area

      TheWatcher - 2012-02-01 20:00

      oops that should read 'there is NO mention in the article'

      Merven - 2012-02-02 10:50

      And that is why I refused to participate in the Census. The people in the squatter camps they 'estimated', so I got no trust in this 'research'.

      Robsschele - 2012-02-03 09:45

      I grew up with only no's 14 17 21 and 29. I must say a lot of this stuff did not exist in my young days.

  • Silver - 2012-02-01 20:20

    This is rubbish! Wonder how much the ANC paid for this hogwash! Just goes to show. Never trust stats!

      Mvikeli - 2012-02-02 09:45

      Piet, what do you base the conclusion that this is "Hogwash" on?

      kwazingcebo - 2012-02-02 13:37

      Piet is it impossible to believe that most blacks are poor or even that 98% are poor??

  • Thabani - 2012-02-01 20:27

    Things don't seem to be looking good for blacks generally. I wish we can get along black and whites in helping each other improve all our lot instead of bickering. Thanks for the study.

  • mashavha - 2012-02-01 20:35

    Then What?

  • riaz.moola - 2012-02-01 22:24

    I wish I could submit all the comments on this site to whitewhine.com

      riaz.moola - 2012-02-01 22:35

      And what's wrong with this article? Isn't it GOOD that there are more blacks in the highest LSM and less in the lowest? Isn't is good that there are 25% *more* people of ALL races in the top 3 highest LSMs? Of course it's good! Actually read what the article said - what's wrong with mentioning the number of blacks vs the number of whites in the highest LSM that is a hugely RELEVANT fact when 70ish% of the population is black but whites are HUGELY overrepresented in the highest LSM! Just like the article said, it is racially skewed (extremely so) and that is all down to Apartheid. If you ignore that or deny it, then you're living in a fantasy world. Shouldn't we aim for a country where all races are proportionally represented in each LSM? YES WE SHOULD! All of you reading this are probably in the top LSM since having a PC and internet must place you in one of the highest LSMs. Maybe it's time to catch a wake up about race is South Africa and relevance to living standards - it's right there in the numbers.

      Merven - 2012-02-02 10:54

      As I said above,during their 'research' they estimated the people in the squatter camps, also, interesting to note is that no Census people visited the 85 plus white squatter camps in and around Pretoria alone. Try to think for yourself, how accurate can this 'research' be?

  • Devin - 2012-02-01 22:32

    Everyone just shut the F%&K up. We all s#!t the same color!

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-02-02 05:11

    In ten years from now we all have a low standard of living @ the rate this goverment is going. Everyone except Zuma and his wives and cronies .

  • Peter - 2012-02-02 06:16

    Keep in mind the massive rural black population that don't have electricity. They would have not have the appliances city shack dwellers would have, but often have a much better quality of life. But I guess some sort of measurement is needed. I wonder how the scenario would have been if the ANC had been less corrupt, the balance could have been much improved by now if all those stolen billions had been used to help the poor instead of just a few black elite.

  • Johan - 2012-02-02 06:23

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