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ANC has betrayed its legacy - Ramphele

2012-03-23 09:43

Johannesburg - The ANC's current leaders have betrayed its legacy, according to academic Mamphela Ramphele.

The ruling party's ongoing attacks on the Constitution were evidence of this, Ramphele was quoted by the Daily Dispatch on Friday. She spoke at the Guild Theatre in East London earlier in the week.

Ramphele urged South Africans to stop being “passive subjects” and become active citizens because the Constitution was under threat.

“There is enough concern about the utterances by ANC leaders and government officials to suggest that not all is well in our constitutional democracy," she said.

Clash of values

“There is a clash of values between those who believe in the sanctity of our constitutional democratic foundations and those who see them as an obstacle to the second transition.”

No democracy could survive without active citizenship, she said, but most South Africans were passive subjects.

“We sit back and expect government to deliver and, if it does not, our only recourse, it seems, is to protest by at best marching in the streets and at worst burning a local clinic or school."

Active citizens did not burn libraries and clinics, she said.

Using the example of a company, she said the public was the majority shareholder in South Africa Inc, and the government was managing it on their behalf.

"Our Constitution requires the involvement of active citizens, who defend our so-called first generation rights such as security, privacy, freedom of expression, freedom of association," she said.

Citizens had to actively work for "second generation rights" such as universal access to housing, healthcare and a healthy environment, she said.

Comments
  • Makua - 2012-03-23 09:49

    what the ANC touches turns to shyte!

  • Gareth - 2012-03-23 09:49

    Viva Mamphela Ramphele, Viva

      Eric - 2012-03-23 14:39

      No wonder the DA wants her to lead their party! She would make a damn good president!

  • Mike - 2012-03-23 09:50

    I somehow dont think she is going to be in anc much longer.

      Farouk - 2012-03-23 10:12

      She is not a member of any party.

      greeff.kotze - 2012-03-23 10:15

      ...and quite adamant about it too.

      Ken - 2012-03-23 10:54

      Mike please do some reading about this lady. She is an intellectual giant and also only has bad words to say about the ANC. Her credibility comes from her not being a politician. Any party would snap her up in a moment including the DA

      Glyn - 2012-03-23 11:36

      Mike you are an ignorant twit! Check your facts! Now be a good boy and don't vote anc.

      Mike - 2012-03-23 13:00

      Sorry people, i thought she was an anc member, my mistake. Should have done some reading up first on her so i retract my statement.

      Sam - 2012-03-23 13:17

      Bit of a facile comment, Mike. Do your homework!

      Eric - 2012-03-23 14:40

      She was Steve Biko's "skelmpie" and has 2 kids by him. :)

  • Nico - 2012-03-23 09:51

    What I would like to know is how exactly to be an "active citizen"?

      IcemanGP - 2012-03-23 10:18

      To be an active citizen, you strike and toyi-toyi.

      Glyn - 2012-03-23 11:43

      Vote for the DA. Get your friends to vote for the DA. Join the party.

      TheMonk - 2012-03-23 12:44

      Definitely not you!

  • PvdLK - 2012-03-23 09:52

    Can we have this lady as our president, please?

      Glyn - 2012-03-23 11:43

      Could happen.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:30

      Petro, I wish we could, she and Mbeki's brother would make a magnificent team.

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:06

      why would Moeletsi make a good leader,because he speaks out against corruption,is that it?become an ANC critic and you become a good leader?How do you know if he's not autocratic?How does he react to criticism?Boy your hatred of the ANC will lead you to God knows where.

  • Leko - 2012-03-23 09:52

    Why burning schools, libraries and clinics??? Why? Stupid protestors Thetha comrade Ramphele Thetha

      mamohale.mohajane - 2012-03-23 10:28

      I hope her comments are not biased. http://www.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/Politics/DA-courts-Ramphele-20120225-2

  • Lebogang - 2012-03-23 09:55

    This proportional representation electoral system is killing us. We need to debate a better way of choosing our leaders. We cannot leave it to the politicians because the current system benefits them and only them, it guarantees useless spent forces seats in parliament while it bars ordinary citizens the chance to choose the person they want for president. I mean we are currently stuck with a prick that 90% of the population knew was a prick before elections.

      Mike - 2012-03-23 10:05

      If the majority had your mentality SA would be be in a much better situation. Get yourself a bottle of bells and i give you full permission to take the rest of the day off.

      Marion - 2012-03-23 10:12

      @Lebogang - That would be great. Wonder if Poloyotonki is related to the prick you are referring to.

      Mark - 2012-03-23 10:28

      Well said, our system is corruptible and has been corrupted. We need a system where the people who contribute the most get the most say, then no more fools, elected by fools, will be able to drag us down again to the level we have got to. It's time for those who know what they're doing, know what must be done and are willing to do it to step up and take the lead, like the lady above. Enough of the corruption, the nepotism and the fools - we've now seen what that leads to.

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:07

      Democracy as whole is a farce.

      flysouth - 2012-03-23 14:15

      By adopting a system whereby MPs, MECs etc are appointed by the party it is clear that the ANC and their partners in negotiation-crime the Nats had no intention of allowing a proper democracy in SA The only real democracy is where the people of a geographical and demarcated constituency vote and elect their representatives at local, provincial and national level - the only influence that any party should have is to nominate candidates - but ultimately the voters decide, never the party. This should alos apply to the position of President - let only the people decide. Whatever may come from that we cannot do worse than we have now!

      Eric - 2012-03-23 14:43

      Hugo, my boy, the ANC's definition of democracy: 5 wolves and 1 lamb deciding what to have for dinner!

  • mark.p.vrdoljak - 2012-03-23 09:55

    The founders/the true liberation fighters have spoken, the ones with proper education (not grade 5 with and honorary doctorate)!! Seems the DA had it right all along and the ANC of post Mandela has failed!!

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:16

      if the ANC of Mandela was so perfect,why did only 5% of whites vote for it in 1994?

  • Geoff - 2012-03-23 09:59

    A few like Mamphela in the ANC and they would get the white vote. She is a very smart woman.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-03-23 10:05

      @Geoff but the likes of her usually talk from the side and never want to get involved and you know why? because talk is cheap

      Dhavandran - 2012-03-23 10:10

      maybe its a ploy for pre - elections to hoodwink us.

      TataKaAmandla - 2012-03-23 10:39

      @makatika I couldn't agree with you more pal. They (she and other informed leaders) must speak to their comrades at the top

      nkulekweni - 2012-03-23 11:57

      Ramphele is nobody's comrade. She is a struggle veteran and was never in so far as I can recall a member of the ANC. She has always spoken against regimes she finds unpalatable so I do not believe that this is an election ploy. If she were to start a ppolitical party I would join it without thinking twice. She was vice chancellor at UCT and under her its books turned from red to black. Because she chose very capable people to lead that process. This is the kind of leader this country sorely needs. A great great great pity that in Soouth Africa people of her calibre are so far and few in between.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:40

      Makatika, she does not belong to a political party because they do not bring what she sees as needed. Talk is cheap, you are right there, look how you lot fall for the false promises of the ANC year after year.

  • Mirrorman - 2012-03-23 10:07

    Bravo! Well said!

  • Dhavandran - 2012-03-23 10:08

    i have said it before,we don't need a new constitution but we need a new government.we have the power to do it so lets use f/b as a tool to make our fellow citizens aware of the power we have.

  • johnnymacza - 2012-03-23 10:17

    Give her a Bells

  • Mark - 2012-03-23 10:22

    If this lady has her way then possibly a new, intelligent and able ANC, or a derivative of it, will arise and take us forward. The younger generations are smart enough to see that the ANC has failed in all except the enriching of it's key personnel and we will have a future if people like Mamphela Ramphele would be willing to take us there. Speak on dear lady, speak on.

  • pal.mabelane - 2012-03-23 10:35

    The ANC is now considering scrapping province, I said it once and I will say it again, if you can't win the Western Cape take it back by force. If we the citizens of South Africa do not fight for our democracy and let Zuma and his cronies run this country like some small village in the bundus of KwaZulu Natal we're slowly but surely heading into a dictatorship.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:45

      Pal, true, but aren't we seeing a dictatorship already?. The present government do not take kindly to criticism. Those who dare to step outside the lines are thrown out, never to play a part again. If that is not dictatorship than what is?.

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-03-23 10:35

    The ANCorruption's leaders have betrayed the human race and all that is good and fair. Mario Puzu could have taken many examples on gangster behaviour from the annals of the likes of showerhead, the evil one, fatboy, etc - all gangsters of the worst kind.

      Stephen - 2012-03-23 10:49

      We don't have a government now, we have a gang.

  • Juliass - 2012-03-23 10:43

    If this was the face of the ANC, I would have no problem voting for them!

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:10

      Interestingly, only 5% of whites voted for the ANC when the beloved Madiba was its election candidate.

      Marion - 2012-03-23 14:16

      I thought votes were confidential therefore no one would know what % of what group voted for which party. Certainly don't trust the results of surveys.

  • jody.beggs - 2012-03-23 10:47

    Damn the man , save the rainbow nation.

  • Stephen - 2012-03-23 10:48

    Why are the only people with BALLS in government women?

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:10

      she is not in gov :)

  • TataKaAmandla - 2012-03-23 10:53

    Just a thought: Can't we get Zuma on the forum to answer some of our burning issues? I'm sure that would be a meaningful discussion. I mean he would come, he would get valuable suggestions from us. I know that his allies are reading this, make it happen, fast. We demand JZ to come and address us online.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-03-23 11:06

      I wonder what happened 2 the presidency phone line or email what ever it was, anc is full of ideas but no follow through.

      TataKaAmandla - 2012-03-23 11:13

      If he believes he is running the country well, he won't have a problem to come and address us 'Pessimists'.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-03-23 11:29

      wow Madam Godzille nogal ne? she will be like a God when she get this country right you'll see.

      TataKaAmandla - 2012-03-23 11:30

      @Pat, you have access to a computer, might be educated, have a good job and you're leaving a good life, so I don't expect to change your stupidity. But I think I can liberate the poor people who need help. By the way, I voted for Zuma, so I have a right to speak to him and share my ideas with him. Wena Pat ulihlwempu engqondweni, andinakunceda chief

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:53

      Tata, here I agree with you, let's keep dreaming. imagine Zuma answering our questions but also our criticisms. He would get really good suggestions from us, but then he will have to bewcome an honest man and that is going to cause all sorts of trouble.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:54

      Christian, the emails go unanswered and the phone too. Window dressing, that was all it was.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:56

      Pat, calling your fellow brother garden boy shows a steak of racism I would be ashamed of if I were you. The rest of the tripe you wrote isn't worth mentioning.

  • Pat - 2012-03-23 10:59

    mxxx another Desmond Tutu in panties

  • paul.maarman - 2012-03-23 10:59

    i just love the "they" "us" mindset - and "you" expect change?, the current discourse will never be changed, if mindsets like "yours" continue to perpetuate the old racial narrative. using race and complaining, blaming "them" for the mess, forgetting "your" legacy's contribution to the status quo...when "we" become a nation, in harmony with itself, then we start making the change necessary, that will make us a great nation...

  • richard.barnard2 - 2012-03-23 11:10

    And to top it all off....lets give Cuba R350m....and not build decent houses for our own people?

  • Robsschele - 2012-03-23 11:15

    The country is a business and the people choose a political party to run it for them. Problem is many voters has no sense regarding business. I also said that farming is a business and should be treated as such. Will you give a business to a palooka and expect him to show a profit.

      Heiku - 2012-03-23 16:17

      Out of interest, what do people think farming is if not a business? I can't think of anything.

  • William - 2012-03-23 11:16

    The wheel turns and life evolves. The United Party died and the mighty National Party was born. Who ever thought that the NP would die, but it did. The ANC is digging it's own grave and nailing its own coffin!! Keep going boys, well done!!!! Bring on the DA for a better future and service delivery for all S Africans!!! More and more people are realising, especially those who voted the ANC into power that they are power hungry and corrupt and servicing only the interests of themselves.

  • lmapheto - 2012-03-23 11:20

    Mme Ramphele ke ya leboga...i have been saying this with specific reference to the etoling and the info bill...i said i believe in the ANC and its value system but not the current leadership, most of you were quiet...the current attempts to change the constitution is just one of the ingridients of the coctail of selfhelp by them...How can you have active citizenship with the government that doesnt listin to you? we absolutely are a society without a dialogue...its true that we resourt to protestations because its what we can do...unfortunately there is barbarism of burning schools and other important community facilities...Change is on the way and it might be painfull in the end...

      Marion - 2012-03-23 14:18

      Change need not necessarily come from within the ANC. It could also come from without if people vote more with their heads and less with their hearts.

      Malusi - 2012-03-23 23:52

      @Marion... Who do u think can vote for the return of oppression? I doubt if is there any person with his/her sober mind, who can bring back government with the legacy of which all years we have to commemorate the killings of our brothers and sisters eg human right day and june 16 just to mention the few. Normal ppl will never forget the killings of their relatives by the white led government of the past. The only thing that we as ppl should do, is to put more pressure to the current government, because there is no element of being cowboy.

  • Romeo - 2012-03-23 11:33

    The only reason I have shunned from commenting on this site was to be tempted to respond to comments such as that made by a vile charector calling himself POLO-YA-TONKI (a Sotho word meaning Donkey's Penis). No person who respect himself would call himself such a name. Responding to his vulgar and short sighted comments would reduce my interlactual capacity to that of a donkey that he proclaim to be. Well, as for the comments made by Mme - Mmamphele Ramphele, I think she has hit the nail on the head. We need active citizenry and the kind that is not bought by tenders to keep quiete on the demise of the Constitutional democracy. This wake up call should be headed before our country go the Zimbabwe route. Let those with ears hear! Selata wa'Nkwane

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 13:01

      Romeo, I always thought there was something strange about Poloyatonki. But according to me he is a troll and not worth answering.

      Bobby - 2012-03-24 09:15

      I have always suspected that characters like Polya are not what they seem to be. White racists aim to get communities to dislike each other; I think this person is a white racist who aims to make black people look bad, stupid and racist, and get others(white)to dislike/hate/mistrust people of colour. If Polya would get a few more people to think the way he does by this "black racist" scam, he would have achieved his goal.

  • Karen - 2012-03-23 11:38

    I say chuck the whole lot out of parliament and let her run the show. Enough with party politics. She is just the kind of dictator this country needs.

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:17

      ok

      Heiku - 2012-03-23 16:18

      Hahaha... I dont know what to say. Wait something just came to mind, HITLER STALIN ASSAD MOGABE. It's people like you Karen that gives these people a reason to exist

  • Tim - 2012-03-23 11:54

    strange my comment was deleted? why??

  • momoza.mjana - 2012-03-23 12:04

    Vry tru they're no longer loyal to anc. Kukwavula zibhuqe. Ilifa labahlakanipile lizodliwa zizithutha. Bt I always lv ANC

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 13:03

      Momoza, what is the point in writing if people can't understand you?. Waste of time according to me.

  • momoza.mjana - 2012-03-23 12:05

    Vry tru they're no longer loyal to anc. Kukwavula zibhuqe. Ilifa labahlakanipile lizodliwa zizithutha. Bt I always lv ANC

  • Jacqui - 2012-03-23 12:28

    That's telling them. What a woman.

  • kaya.zwane - 2012-03-23 12:47

    It started with NP (all white); then changed to NNP(few african black men) again it changed DA(with De lille and few blacks; again it fused with ID but retained DA plus Little Mazibuko; Now its gonna change to National Democratic Part with Mamphela Ramphele as a President!!!! wow!!! Viva ANC; Viva Mangaung

      Jacqui - 2012-03-23 13:08

      Kaya, viva sense, viva brains, viva knowledge and viva, viva, none to be found in the ANC.

      neto.maape - 2012-03-23 13:11

      The comments on here are a bit disappointing. Divided by race. When the ANC says they want to ammend the constitution to change things like willing buyer-willing selling and speed up transformation in this counrty. What's the problem?? There is an obvious need for another transition as so far there has solely been a political one (the first transition). Steve biko said that a mere change of face in governence would not be enough to change the injustices of apartied and the economic means of the country need to get back into the hands of the majority black society. The ammendment of the consititution is obviously just the first step to reaching the second transition. This is something that must happen, regardless of what any white party leaders say. If they don't believe in the need for this transition of power then they will never get my (or most of black south africa's) vote!

      Malusi - 2012-03-23 23:11

      Yes amendment is a must here, specifically on the land issue. We can't have one white farmer denying a large number of communite a right to a basic services such as water and electricity, simply because all of these services can't cross or pass thru on the farm or the land, maybe that was stolen from the grandparents of the very same ppl that are suffering now.

      Malusi - 2012-03-23 23:11

      Yes amendment is a must here, specifically on the land issue. We can't have one white farmer denying a large number of communite a right to a basic services such as water and electricity, simply because all of these services can't cross or pass thru on the farm or the land, maybe that was stolen from the grandparents of the very same ppl that are suffering now.

  • Lloyd - 2012-03-23 13:04

    Lady is on point.

  • neto.maape - 2012-03-23 13:13

    The comments on here are a bit disappointing. Divided by race. When the ANC says they want to ammend the constitution to change things like willing buyer-willing selling and speed up transformation in this counrty. What's the problem?? There is an obvious need for another transition as so far there has solely been a political one (the first transition). Steve biko said that a mere change of face in governence would not be enough to change the injustices of apartied and the economic means of the country need to get back into the hands of the majority black society. The ammendment of the consititution is obviously just the first step to reaching the second transition. This is something that must happen, regardless of what any white party leaders say. If they don't believe in the need for this transition of power then they will never get my (or most of black south africa's) vote!

      michelle.kirsten - 2012-03-23 21:58

      I think the division is not just by race. There are black non-anc people who are also concerned as to what will be changed in the constitution, obviously there are historically documented cases worldwide where the ruling party has changed laws to favour it's members, but where minorities have borne the brunt of the laws not only favouring one, but actually actively disenfranchising another group. That much must be obvious... Besides, most of us agree a second transision is imminent, but there are many people in my circles who are honestly afraid that the second transision will be a violent one if certain constitutional rights are revoked.

      neto.maape - 2012-03-24 16:12

      Those same fears existed before the first transition. Its either a lack of confidence by that minority in a majority implimenting that transition well or a fear that once that transition happens the minority won't have access to the benifits they gained after all those years of oppression. If it has to happen, which it does, then those fears need to be put aside and people need to work towards methods of achieving it peacefully.

  • Shirley - 2012-03-23 13:45

    Shes just got herself fired! Why is there always 1 with sense and a million with none????

      Hugo - 2012-03-23 14:12

      fired from??

  • Matthew - 2012-03-23 14:24

    Active citizens hey....hmmmmm to me,a good old fashioned strike would do the trick not burning tyres,schools,clinics,cars,throwing stones etc we do it propper.we march,we sing,we shout,we make ourselves heard! we do it everyday,until our government listens. And we do it united! every city,every town.we stand up and fight! fight to be heard and to be ANSWERED!!! not by empty promisises but by imediate actions! or we dont budge. ie Protesting propperly theres alot more to add,but not now =)

  • stblackburn - 2012-03-23 15:11

    The quickest way to make our citizens into "active subjects" if for EVERYONE to pay tax - even if its a teeny little bit of tax, but even those on a social grant should feel they have contributed a little something and that they have the right hold the politicians accountable as the servants of the public.

  • Emanuele - 2012-03-23 15:44

    In a perfect South Africa Ms Ramphele would be the next president. Oh I so pray that it becomes a reality. You have my vote. From the first days that I attended your university lectures in the early 90's I knew you had so much to offer South Africa.

      michelle.kirsten - 2012-03-23 21:48

      Emanuele you are privileged to have seen her lecture! Ever since I heard of and studied her work I have been in awe! Would that she could be president! A thinker and do-er.

  • Kmalebye - 2012-03-23 15:48

    THE PROBLEM IS POWER HUNGRY LEADERS WHO LEFT THE MASSES BEHIND AND NOW ONLY LEADING THEM SELF.

      Bobby - 2012-03-24 09:36

      True. What makes the guy that's your profile picture different? I'm not talking what he says, I'm talking about his way of life.

  • brad.schafer3 - 2012-03-23 16:54

    She should have gone on to say that the best way to effect change and make the ANC govenment wake and and do their job is to VOTE for another party. And to demand tenderprenures and associated government thieves get nailed. The money (+- R40m)they "lost" over the last 2 years not to mention the guift of tax payers money to the kind of swaziland and now the R12m party price tag is beyond a joke. No wonder our government services(hospitals, cops, roads) are reminisent of the 1820's

  • Johnnie - 2012-03-23 19:53

    This ANC government is the biggest shame that any country can have. Instead of being an example of how everything should be , this government breaks everything and where there is some advance, it is the BRAKE.

  • Thulane - 2012-03-23 20:00

    Secrecy bill,control of the flow of information is the 1st step to propaganda & monopoly.opposition leader pls fight 4us dis evel system.not to be passed to law

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-23 20:23

    This Mamphela Ramphele woman better watch out. If I bump into her I will buy her beer. And another. And another. And we will have a no-party Party.

  • Malusi - 2012-03-23 22:43

    There is a big problem with the so called academic. They always believes that all things needs to be detected by them first. Some part of our constitution, precisely needs some amendment,it is the first thing that have to be looked at so that some transformation become reality. Like the issue of land that was stolen, the constitution is the one that causes all unnecessary delay. Once u see some white ppl being bitter about the issue of amendment, is because they are not sure about land issue. They simple suffer from the fear of the unknown. I'm of the view that, the honourable Dr is not correct if she claims that the current ANC leadership is betraying ANC legacy, it is a problem to base comments around how do u feel about certain people. A comment from anger/hard feelings will always lacks objective and be more subjetive.

  • Sandile - 2012-03-24 06:28

    South Africans citizens are to blame for direction this country is taking. We always take the back seat and prefer being armchair critics instead of being active citizens who hold the government accountable. Our people are the same ones who protect criminals or who don't report crime even though they know who did it and where they live. We are the same people that buy stolen goods and the same people that pay bribes to government officials. We need to wake up and smell the roses. Every time that ward councilors, community leaders and government officials call meetings in the community most citizens don't show up. They are happy in saying, I don't like politics and in that way sell out the country. Vuka mzi wase Mzantsi Afrika!

      Bobby - 2012-03-24 09:47

      You're right. At the end of the day, we have ourselves to blame. The people get the gouvernment they deserve.

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