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ANC slams Tokyo Sexwale

2011-11-13 11:31

Johannesburg - ANC heavyweight and presidential hopeful Tokyo Sexwale has been chided by the ANC's national disciplinary committee (NDC) for his evidence in the Julius Malema disciplinary hearing.

City Press has obtained the full ruling that found the youth league leader guilty of misconduct.

The NDC slammed Sexwale’s evidence, saying he made several “unsubstantiated statements” and relied on “hearsay”.

The committee also “decried” the human settlements minister’s “lack of knowledge” of the ANC constitution.

The NDC’s criticism could harm Sexwale’s standing in the ANC, as it exposes him as being ill-informed and acting on rumour rather than fact.

Dent his chances

It could also badly dent his chances of being elected as one of the ruling party’s top-six officials at next year’s national conference in Mangaung.

“The NDC has noted that the overwhelming number of the arguments were unsubstantiated statements and decried comrade Tokyo’s knowledge of the ANC constitution as an NEC member,” reads the ruling.

The document further reveals the depth of the schism between Sexwale and President Jacob Zuma. In evidence, Sexwale implied Zuma was behind the charges against Malema.

According to the document, Sexwale said: “The disciplinary proceedings were being used to stifle debate and solve private problems because somebody was waiting for the earliest opportunity to institute disciplinary proceedings as soon as the respondent (Malema) said something wrong.”

Testimony

The NDC slam-dunked Sexwale on various parts of his testimony:

- Sexwale argued that when he raised the issue of the disciplinary hearing at a meeting of the national executive committee (NEC), he was ruled out of order. The NDC found the issue was never on the NEC’s agenda;

- Sexwale told the NDC the charges against Malema should have been brought by the NEC and not the national officials, but conceded under cross-examination the constitution does not back this up;

- Sexwale argued the formulation of the Botswana charge – Malema’s propagated regime change in the country – was “moving from the mundane to the ridiculous”, a point the NDC declared as “wrong”. Sexwale said there was “a clear agenda behind the charges” because the Botswana issue was resolved by the entire youth league at its national congress;

- Sexwale claimed the hearing was used to settle political scores. This argument was found to be invalid because Malema admitted to making the statements he was charged for;

- Sexwale argued the NDC members were conflicted, but this was rejected; and

- Sexwale argued the youth league is “more autonomous” than the women’s league or veterans’ league because members of the youth league don’t need to be members of the ANC. This is contradicted by the ANC constitution that compels youth league members to become ANC members when they turn 18.

Malema misled Winnie

Sexwale testified that the ANC did give “money and vehicles” to the opposition Botswana National Party - a fact that was not disputed.

He also said he was commissioned to conduct a threat analysis after the US was considering establishing a military base in Botswana.

Sexwale on Saturday declined to comment on the findings.

ANC veteran Winnie Madikizela-Mandela was Malema’s other high-profile witness. The NDC found that she was misled by Malema about the source of the charges.

The report further shows that Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe refused to testify for Malema. Youth league officials then asked the NDC to call Motlanthe as a witness, but the committee refused.

Comments
  • Gordon - 2011-11-13 11:42

    Something is rotten in the state of Denmark?.Another split in the ANC looming? There is no end in sight for the latest "Malema soap -opera".Mandela must be very dissapointed in the ANC.

      Jean-Louis - 2011-11-13 11:59

      and Malema says - vote ANC so not to hurt Mandela, wonder what mandela thinks of such a circus

      Jean-Louis - 2011-11-13 12:15

      AND he is NOT laughing at the CLOWNS

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 13:20

      @Eradicate. I can partly understand why you follow that reasoning and if you, I would have done the same, but as a white guy I should give you a part of the "other side". Maybe the system of building up something to leave behind for your children is not in your doings, but this is a practice that the majority of the world follows. Coming back to the part where the white person want to move on. In any community you will find that people, that previously benefit wants to write the old history off as soon as possible and move on. If it was black it would have been the same. That is human. No-one are saying that we must not change and do corrections, but what people are saying( white and some black) is that we have to do it in such a way that we do not throw away what we have, but rather use it to gain more. A part of the black community thinks that taken from the white and divide into black will make it right. Wrong!!! There are not enough white to gain from. Neither is more than half belonging to SA whites. Problem!!! What should happened is that what the whites have must be used to create more for all without making the white feeling negative because than you loose some of those experiences that they have. Minorities can't satisfy majorities and therefore black must pull white in and make them part of being all Africans. When being all part of the same one care for each other. Currently whites do not want to be European and you deny them African, that they are, so ??????

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 13:30

      Space is sometime not enough.lol. If you ever red my comments you should realize that my points never gets made pro some-one, but purely what I see and experience. I crossed that Rubicon long ago. Coming back to my point. All this have different stages of development and there were a time that even white went through this stage as well. Great leadership makes this journey easy. We, South Africans, want to reach the same goal. Peace and prosperity. WE differ on the method, but that is my point. The majority must pull in the minority, assure them that they are part of them and secure what is there's, but also let them know that, that must create more for others. Irrelevant how angry we are how it was gain, but, with clear thoughts, how we going to use it to create more.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 13:41

      @Eradicate. You are to fast for me. Also read my second part. I am a middle age white Afrikaans, Afrikaner(ok more Namaqwalander) man and I am telling you I am not ashamed to be white, but I do not want to be European. I am an African. I stayed in a couple of African countries before and I felt at home. The black people that change them to be more white look alike must go for treatment. Did you ever see a Lozi woman(Zambia). Can you honestly say they have to stand back for any other women? No, I am not "dipping in chocolate",( favorite saying of some "blackmen" when they think you sleep with black women) but neither will I deny the truth. It is time to move on. to accept me and I must accept you. We have too much to do and cant afford to still get stuck in the basics. From my "white" side I can confirm that there are plenty like me. What can you confirm????

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 13:53

      O...I missed something. The concept of African to be BLACK is racial, stupid, and far from the truth. Only a part of Africa is black. To be so vein to claim a continent as black sounds like some of those stupid Europeans and some blacks. The day when all get recognized as Africans and claim it, this continent will move forward. Black is only a part in the world. The others are brown, tanned white...what ever. They are just human with fears and longing for prosperity just like you and me. It is only when people allowed them to be a victim that they become one. In Europa or USA I get seen as not part of them and i thank the heavens for that. My people is here in Africa. My question to you is if you can understand my belonging and accept me?????

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 14:02

      @Eradicate. yes, I am using the words "we and us". I am African. What are you? I will give you credit. When I here people(mostly white and some black) talking of there travels in Europa I tend to ask if they have done the same in Africa. I have no problem for people going to see Europa and there history, BUT than you must know your own continent as well( not talking of Egypt) My point is that some whites distances themselves from what they are part of and some blacks follows them. Some-one told me it is a status thing, but hell than I don't have any and I know many Afrikaners, who prevere Africa, that have also none. lol.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 14:14

      @Eradicate. Wrong again. This "whitey(you are so full of race issues, but maybe you have good reason) do not deny all the wrongs, but staying in it and talking...talking for generations about it made you, my fellow African, made us staying behind. All the things Juju saying is not so wrong, but his intentions and methods are. Is he doing it for a new elite? Is he doing it for the people? Is he :clever" enough to handle the issue. His own people( that he help to put in power) is not doing there part. I wish I can have a week with him. I believe in the same, BUT different methods. From you favorite "agent", Eradicate!!!!

      Go - 2011-11-13 15:35

      Eradicate, you are a serious numbnut - get over the fact that your over published, frequently duplicated BS has no effect. I have serious doubts that you even comprehend the "copy and paste" crap you post as answers.I have seen the exact same responses that you have posted here on previous articles and therefor make the assumption that you have no real idea what you are talking about. You are a Malema Troll or perhaps we should call you a Moll then .

      Go - 2011-11-13 15:41

      so get to the point now Eradicate - what is the outcome you desire ??????

      Riaan - 2011-11-13 16:21

      But we are so looking forward to the downfall of the anc, this is what SA needs right now..

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 16:47

      @Eradicate. Being, a "white" that you will ever find the closes to YOUR case and trying to be just an African with love for all with an indulgent for all view points, are not enough to your requirements. That only tell us(white and black) that there are "dinosaurs" still alive and that we, the clear thinkers, should move on and let nature(and the Chinese.lol.) deal with you. Be careful for the day that YOU are the reason to cause me, and my fellow, to distance ourselves, from the group you claim to be part off. The Du Toit Coetzee's and the Vusi's of this world will leave you behind. Not because we want to, but because you were not willing. I say farewell, with a tear in my eye, knowing if you were more clever, it could have been so more enlightenment for your kind of believers. Shalom!!!

  • Anthony - 2011-11-13 11:49

    winnie was mislead by fatboy? NO dont think so. peas in a pod... birds of a....does the anc think we sleeping bwahahahah...

      alansmartSnr - 2011-11-14 00:44

      I believe it.. don't think she was misleaded. When you are so thick and dumb as those two witnesses you're bound to land up with with a comedy of errors, which was what happened when they were cross examind. Read the deposition of the whole case. Their embarrasment was hilarious

  • Warren - 2011-11-13 11:52

    Sexwale using dirty tricks to promote his own agenda? Sounds typical ANC to me.

      Dave - 2011-11-13 12:30

      Warren, it was said erlier that his mines are uneconomical, minimise losses, follow Juju and his plans to nationalise, and be compensated by the taxpayer then let the already failed and failing cardre's take over and waste more of our money. Simple really but who will put up the compensation, the taxpayer and leave a few more poor people starving and loose more jobs while Juju drinks his blue lable and builds Mad Bob style houses, Winnie is a has been just trying to hitch a free ride.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 12:42

      @Warren & Dave I fully agree withwhat Dave is saying about his companies NOT being profitable and nationalisation would have baled him out and as Warren said there HAD to be a reason behind this stupid move!

  • Razz - 2011-11-13 11:53

    Tokio, is another oppertunist and seen by many as a SELL OUT. He forgot us long ago and forgot the struggle long ago. He used the gravy train to enriched himself and forgot about all of us. He even lost his fundamental principals and now wants to side with another oppertunist, Malema.

  • Robert - 2011-11-13 11:53

    Lost respect for Tokyo -

      Van - 2011-11-13 12:04

      You can only loose something if you have it.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 12:21

      I agree Robert. He was actually one of those that I thought had a few cells upstairs, but now I wonder if he has acquired his empire due to his own acumen or was it BEE that paved the way for him? As I always say this is nothing other than reversed Apartheid!

  • Myth - 2011-11-13 11:57

    Appalling lack of judgement by Sexwale. Makes you wonder how he became so wealthy.

      Sedick - 2011-11-13 12:09

      BEE handouts........

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 12:31

      And then they wonder why BEE isn't working????? If this is the mentality you hand big corporations over to, then I'm not surprised we are going backwards.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 13:10

      @Eradicate. If you had a shred of patriotism in you as a fellow black man, you would have joined my fight for our people. Do you honestly think just because I'm black I should sit back and see my country go to hell because my people are being stolen blind and mislead with false ideologies of a white wealth that doesn't even exist anymore? Stop posting this cr@p on here, you are making us all look pathetic! And not just here in South Africa, but Internationally. These blogs are read world wide and the world thinks we are all stupid when they read the rubbish you post. Go copy and paste this stuff on a troll site.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 13:23

      Steve Biko and Hendrik Verwoerd are all dead now, so I can't ask their opinion of me and even if they were alive I could actually care less what you, Steve Biko or PW Botha would think about me. I am a proud black man that will stand by my principles and stand for what is right for my people and that means ALL South Africans. So take your racism and go visit some old people in the townships that are still in shack after 17 years and ask them if they wouldn't have liked to be in an old age home with someone to take care of them! You don't have enough arguments to take me on Eradicate......so leave the dead people out of this, go talk to the starving masses who haven't been buried yet!

      Franklyn - 2011-11-13 14:07

      hey @white privilage..stop living in the past you dinosaur,are you trying to tell me that no black people have self-enriched since apartheid was scrapped ? try to get malema to share his millions..plenty of black folk have been on the gravy train-would Biko be proud of them ???wise-up..its 2011.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 14:11

      Eradicate....if Steve Biko was alive today, I would be having lunch with him because he didn't buy all stuff the ANC was doing in those days either. That doesn't mean I agree with him. In those days we were seen to be of no good to this country other than be the slaves of the whites. But all of that is 50 years in the past and as I said he is not here to condemn me or approve of me and it is totally irrelevant in today's landscape. You are disrupting my lunch! Can I go have my ice cream now please and a swim? So If you don't hear from me for a while, doesn't mean you are being ignored!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 14:39

      @Vusi. Dry your hands before commenting. Laptops and water don't mix.lol. I belief Eradicate do not understand that by not freeing us from this weight attached to out feet we can not swim.(He, he, he!! applicable on you now swimming.lol) Yes, there are a lot of wrongs and being a prisoner of it is one thing, but hold yourself at prison, because of it, is worst. Vusi, I hope you have at least some "sightseeing" next to the pool?

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 15:05

      Eradicate......... Although he was fighting for our (all people of colour, excluding the whites)rights, and was suspicious of "white liberals" my belief is he would be fighting along my side, had he been here because history has shown us that not all whites are evil. There are a lot similarities between me and him and I won't go into those in detail here in public. If you knew me personally you would understand. He was a rebel and what is going on today within the ANC would have him marching against the ANC, but in a much more civilized manner than Malema. We must acknowledge that Steve Biko was a highly intelligent man and he didn't tolerate fools. Question 2...... assuming he didn't politically evolve over the last 34 years, he would have me locked up!

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 15:47

      Eradicate.......... Please explain to me why you would want to spend your life harbouring all this hate? I don't know how old you are, but my Dad is in his 40's and he has no case with the white privilege. He achieved what he wanted to achieve during Apartheid and didn't ask the ANC any favours either. As a matter of fact he didn't get a tender some years ago and that was when he realised this playing field will never be level in this country. So, do you really want to waste your life running after people that are NOT buttering your bread, that is if you are not living in Sandhurst already and on the gravy train. You sound like a Gravy Train passenger to me or even worse one hoping a mine will be given to you so you can strip it from its assets and shut it down after you milked it dry. Want some examples? Want to see what our own are doing to our own in the mining industry? So don't talk to about nationalising mines!!!!! Wonder what Uncle Patrice has to say about all of these dreamers running after Malema? Speaking of Uncle Patrice.............the mines will never be nationalised, not as long as we have Uncle Patrice breathing!!!!!! What else do think should be taken from the whites? The banks? You will come up against Maria Ramos and she is no FOOL!!! There are actually some people within the ANC ranks with brains and they might not be making a noise in public, but silently they are keeping us afloat, like Jill Marcus....want to take her white privilege away too?

      Go - 2011-11-13 15:58

      Eradicate - get off Vusi's back and answer the question yourself !!! You a lay about blogger who is too lazy to get off your backside to do something about your beliefs. Go start a party or apply for JuJu's job, it will be open in a few weeks time after the appeal hearing. Remember to take your crate with so you can be seem and heard by all.

      Go - 2011-11-13 16:12

      Eradicate - quick question : 1.Whats the exchange rate for Eradicate-land ? 2.Is a visa required to visit 3.Exactly how far is Eradicate-land from reality ?

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 16:14

      Oh come on Eradicate....just one example....Helen Suzman. Do you honestly believe there weren't whites that didn't see that apartheid WAS NEVER going to work????????? Skip all this white privilege stuff, in the end it is all about if your policies feed the people! Nothing more, nothing less. In Zimbabwe only one is jetting around to Hong Kong for shopping, so don't be ridiculous and tell me we should adopt that old man's policies!!!!!!!!!! Would Steve Biko be happy? Yes why not? What more can we possibly want???? We have it all now, the trouble is we don't know what to do with it! Would he have evolved? Yes, he was an intelligent man and if he was given this place in 2011 he would have done a whole lot of things differently because he had the best interest of our people at heart. But he isn't here, so why are we having this stupid debate wondering what dead people would have done in a completely changed landscape? I said if he hadn't evolved he would have me locked up because he might have felt I'm way too liberal for the likes of the older comrades who still carry the scars of the past.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 16:15

      I'm back into the pool now. See you later! I actually like you now!!!!! I love people who challenge me!!!!

      mcmenaminkevin - 2011-11-13 19:43

      Eradicate are u really that naive?? You talk about this system that supports white supremecy and how it is still here today. Im white yet I have received no money from South African mines, I face the same battle to find employment as graduates of other skin colour. Tell me how this system has put me into a position of supremecy over my class mates of various skin colour and historical background. I'm going to get a job by working for it, not by marching for it or demanding it. Demand education, not jobs. Im all for that, if the ANC cant provide an efficient education system accessible to all South Africans then maybe thats what you should be complaining about. This government cant provide education and it cant provide a means for its people to be empower themselves,yet politicians are partying in mauritius and driving BMW X5s. Puy food on your own plate, empower yourself coz this government is the same as the nationalists of the apartheid regime, they empowering themselves - its their time at the top of the hill and they gonna milk it for every penny while they can. Dont believe it? You cant deny the level of corruption. Democracy takes 25years to take full swing. Theres 8 years left and when that time comes we will see a free and fair country, run by leaders who are held accountable for empty promises.

      mcmenaminkevin - 2011-11-13 20:27

      So you will be happy when the entire world speaks one language? Then no-one is taught in a foreign language and no-one has privilege over another? haha you are a joke man. Its a fact of life that theres always someone thats gonna have it better than you. Grow a pair and deal with it - step up, dont throw a tantrum in your play pen coz you are upset that life is not always fair.

      Jono - 2011-11-13 21:15

      eradicate you clearly haven't the mental capacity to speak for yourself so you keep on copy/pasting that same old crap that you have always done. grow a brain and a life. douche.

      Merven - 2011-11-14 08:06

      Vusi, stop wasting your time debating with an idiot, he will pull you to his level and beat you with experience.

  • glenn.gunther - 2011-11-13 12:01

    Makes you wonder if the big business man Tokyo has not been getting the big business deals through Malema corruption.. it really does not make sense that he back Malema - surely someone agrees there is the smell of a rat?

      Van - 2011-11-13 12:05

      Stench of an ancESTOR.

      Anthony - 2011-11-13 12:13

      BIG dead rotten rat..

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 12:33

      And sadly his kids are taking a huge beating about this in the streets of Sandton. The snobs are all asking how their father can back this Tsotsi!

  • Kevin - 2011-11-13 12:11

    Always heard rumours about where he made his money. maybe something that needs to be looked into.

  • Don - 2011-11-13 12:13

    Look's like someone picked the wrong side. Incinerate this dude, into ashes!

  • lee.ferreira - 2011-11-13 12:15

    I love it, the rot is already setting in!! Let it continue!

  • Pushka - 2011-11-13 12:17

    I've been wondering for a long time what Tokyo's agenda could possibly be, I think that he thought he could attain the presidency if he had the youth leagues backing and could then cast Malema aside once he had done this. It seems to have seriously backfired on him and he will now really struggle to claw back the credibility he has lost since he decided to abandon all his principles (assuming he had any) and support a cretin hell bent on destroying this country.

      VusiMabaso - 2011-11-13 12:37

      @Pushka. He, like many other people, are way overestimating the ANCYL support. He should have done some research before he went on this path. Malema is only what he is because he gets all this publicity, because his main function in this country is to sell newspapers!

  • J.D. - 2011-11-13 12:17

    No doubt that Sexwale is aspiring for president and flirting with Malema to gain the votes of the youth league sheeple. He is the dark horse that will surface close to the Bloemfontein meeting. Youth league support for Mothlante is only part of the plot.

      anselmo.coelho1 - 2011-11-13 12:43

      We must start a golden oldie program with these guys.....

  • Ryan - 2011-11-13 12:21

    Two faced Tokyo...

      glenn.gunther - 2011-11-13 14:34

      he must go back to Japan... haha

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-11-13 12:26

    Our history will make a great soapie. Who is screwing Who.

  • Chabi - 2011-11-13 12:33

    JZ.. now sort out the Sexwale problem.... reshuffle him out of the cabinet, He is a liability that has presidential hopes and no personal backing in the ANC and wants to ride on the wings of the "Juju Man"... as for Aunt Winnie, just leave her to while away pension time.

  • hsnam - 2011-11-13 12:34

    Malema se Ma!

      anselmo.coelho1 - 2011-11-13 12:42

      Not the way to go live his mother out show some respect........

  • anselmo.coelho1 - 2011-11-13 12:40

    What are you waiting Mr.Zuma get rid of this Tokyo and Winnie and Mathew Phosa and so on on on ......they are slying you out Money..... Money........that is all they thinking......SINGALE BABA.......

      Kevin - 2011-11-14 13:08

      Investigate Phosa...what's his stake in all the gambling structures throughout SA.

  • Neville - 2011-11-13 12:46

    TOKYO WANTS 2 BE PRESIDENT

      Mantsho - 2011-11-13 13:16

      l agree with you, and he will try to do anything for that, l really think he was trying to use the Fatboy.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-11-13 16:17

      I think that is "Past Tense" now. He wanted to be Pres...................

  • boby.mafi - 2011-11-13 12:47

    Poor Malema is living in the bubble of the euphoria of independence and has yet to learn how to bring issues on the national agenda without hurting the ANC and SA in general.I can't stop realizing that Malema thinks the ANC has this eternal invincibility that can withstand any indiscipline and divisional politics.yesterday it was Mbeki, today its Zuma then tomorrow its going to be Tokyo or Monthlante.The ruling exposes a lot of personality issues being turned into political issues by both Tokyo and Juju.By the time both Tokyo and Juju are ready to take their place in the corridors of SA there may be little of SA to rule just like in Zimbabwe.I hope the NDC can stop the misguided missiles in their tracks.

  • Trevor - 2011-11-13 13:01

    TS is rotten to the core...he was the ORIGINAL Black Diamond...

  • Alva - 2011-11-13 13:02

    I am rubbing my hands together in anticipation of an epic drama about to unfold within the ANC. Lekker, lekker! It's not inlike the 'Survivor' series. If you open your mouth and show your hand too soon you get voted off! So, whose next? Sexwale?

  • Nigel Alfred Jopson - 2011-11-13 13:16

    Politics is a chess game! All this scheming and jockeying for position whilst the country is going now the tubes due to incorrect focus!

  • Avril - 2011-11-13 13:17

    It is common knowledge that Tokyo's wife was the legal secretary that accompanied Brett Kebble to Robben Island all those years ago.

      glenn.gunther - 2011-11-13 14:35

      hectic.. I never knew that

      Judith - 2011-11-13 16:39

      His wife was also married to someone else at the time of going to Robben Island (surname of Moon)

  • Mpho - 2011-11-13 13:21

    NDC cannot pretend to have known the ANC constititution better than others after having read further than most after the challenges brought on by Malema's defence. I also maintain that the charages were flimsy and weak. The finding by the NDC is mostly celebrated by minorities who stood to lose from the Black conscious advocated by Malema.

      Piet - 2011-11-13 13:41

      MPHO Did you also failed woodwork class.???????

      DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-13 14:54

      Wrong. The majority black people agree with the outcome. Can't give you more info, but it is true. Juju gave them something to hope fore, but they(read black) were never to happy or sure with his methods. They, also, doubted his intentions. The worst is that it was based on good points, but twisted into wrong and illusions with an unworkable method. That there can be a "power struggle" hidden, deep beneath everything, can be true.

  • Thozi - 2011-11-13 14:12

    Told you before, the man is a rolling stone, an opportunist with no moral compass. He's the kind that will happily sell his own mother if it means elevation for himself. He is dispicable.

  • Eugene - 2011-11-13 14:51

    its quite simple , keep your friends close and your enemies closer! Tokyo needs the youth behind him on his run for the presidency...a fair assumption...he's a tactician...

  • Drewka - 2011-11-13 14:57

    @Eradicate... Budd, you have some serious issues man. Like in every race / facet group you have some extremists. The whites had Eugene, and blacks Malema. They are (were) only there to stir, because they don't have enough brain cells to lead. So you draw sides with a brainless opportunist that will only lead you into very dark times?? Black people should learn to build up, save, value and love more. If you go to places like Europe, America you would see what I mean. Even here in Africa you see that the hand of a white man leaves for future generations. Yes, it’s true that there are some of them that are as corrupt and selfish, but the big picture for a white man is to build, not break down. Black people in SA have the opportunity now to show the world that they can compete with the rest, in terms of growth, education and produce leaders like Nelson Mandela. Unfortunately they (like you) use greed to take the sides of narrow minded leaders that only care for themselves and don’t think of future generations. The time to start to build, and stop blaming others for not achieving anything is NOW, because there’s a generation waiting for nothing at the moment…

      Thozi - 2011-11-13 15:39

      @ Drewka, Couldn't have put it better. Now my major concern... Why does it appear that the majority of our people ignore history and elect to go the same disastrous lane of well known suicidal failures such as Idi Amin? At the moment, the majority of our youths, have been led to believe by Malema & Co. that Nationalisation and Expropriation of white assets will put them on a solid path to permanent prosperity. Hard work, honesty, commitment and consideration for the less privillage, does not form part of their vocabulary. I hold people like Malema, Winnie Mandela and other like-minded socalled populist leaders, responsible for the destruction of the values leaders like Mandela, Sisulu and others, tried to archieve for this beautiful land and ALL her people - irrepective of coulor or creed.

      Eradicate_WhitePrivilege - 2011-11-13 15:45

      Another whitey talking about building a nation together.... ?"You have to build a nation." See, this is where you are wrong. You cannot build a country on an uneven base. It won't work out. You first have to deconstruct the uneven base before you set about building the country together.

      africanwolf - 2011-11-13 16:16

      @ Eradicate_WhitePrivilege It seams that you are perfect in reconstructing (breaking down) what was already built, why not start a business of your own, or do something useful instead of crying here , they stole from me they owe me. remember No ONE OWES YOU NOTHING ZERO , you have to work for everything,like I do and many other people in this country. nothing will fall from the sky, and no one will give you his house , car, etc... keep on dreaming. this approach will only make others hate you. and NO I DID NOT participate in apartheid , and lived in the Soviet Union , which was a horrible system, which kept everyone silent, poor, and frightened. so you can not tell me that communism works, it is all bull..t stories to rob the people of their property.

      africanwolf - 2011-11-13 16:41

      @ Eradicate_WhitePrivilege what stops you from being successful in life ,white people? I doubt white people stand in your way to success. In fact African people have more opportunities now than Europeans due to BEE and Affirmative action so what are you complaining about? you want a farm ? take a loan and buy it, you want a mine? buy shares on the JSE, no one stops you. stop felling sorry for yourself, nowadays you can achieve just anything. it is all in the head, get that racism out of it

      Drewka - 2011-11-13 16:42

      @Thosi, these are concerns of all South Africans. But the answer to why they follow people like malema is because of poor or no education. On the topic of nationalisation and state owned entities I just refer to history. Russia went that route, and never recovered. It's a short term solution and has very bad repercussions for a countries future. @Eradicate. I feel sorry for you my friend because your bitter anger is directed into the wrong direction. It’s not a matter of blacks vs. whites anymore, it’s a matter of teaching the hungry to produce their own food, educate the children so they could lead the nation and learning from history & be dynamic in our approach forward. But if you want to follow malema and his little band, be my guest. Luckily I know that sanity always prevails .

  • Joseph - 2011-11-13 15:44

    "Being a member of the ANC doesn't mean you are a good leader."Those are the words of Tokyo when he resigned as the Premier of Gauteng.Not long he was with the then Minister of Mineral Resources from the DRC after a visit to that country.Then the herald of Mvela Resources.What exactly does Tokyo want as a citizen of this country and a member of the ANC.Now he is the defended of that 'amoeba' of the poor called Malema who has done so much harm to this country.Tokyo stay out of Zuma's path and let him run the Government because you said " I believe in Zuma." unquote.South Africa is and will never be the personal property of few individuals but for all who live in it.

      boby.mafi - 2011-11-13 16:23

      I think SA citizens should think more along those lines, engaging in issues on the national agenda including those that are in the ANC.There are no separate realities ie one for ANC and another for non-ANC patriots for as long as the ANC is in power.In that sense the rot in the ANC whether perceived or real should concern all SA citizens regardless of whether they are in DA, IFP or non-partisan.To just hope that the rot in ANC will play itself out and result in the ANC losing power and somehow without dealing a body blow to the SA economic and social development would be a bit naive and is likely to result in SA being turned into another Zimbabwe.SA needs stability at this moment the world's economy is in turmoil and can do without the personality politics Malema is bent on unleashing and its attendant unnecessary instability.There is indeed need to secure the lives of the poor and reduce the gap between the rich and the poor but frankly nationalization and personality changes at Lithuli House are by far not the best solutions (or options at all). What the NDC will finally resolve to do or not to do has serious implications far beyond the confines of the ANC as a political party.Malema should not be allowed to abuse genuine causes in furthering his personal project(s) at the expense of SA.

  • Peter - 2011-11-13 16:05

    Tokyo and Winnie have to go, they only think of what they can get out on what is in the pot for themselves,, bye bye ju ju followed by these two

      Anthony - 2011-11-13 16:14

      and they can take eradihate_whiteprivilege with them can i flush the toilet

      Judith - 2011-11-13 16:45

      Tokyo is as wrecked as an RDP house and if Winnie goes there will be no-one to flush the RDP loo.....

  • Marlene - 2011-11-13 16:34

    Hi there all. EWP (Eradicate_WhitePrivilege) is a troll, so u r wasting your time engaging him, as this is just feeding him. I learnt this on another post and it doesn't matter what u say, he will just keep on making comments that disagree with each person that answers him. I was warned by quite a few people on the forum and when I stopped, he stopped. He is, apparently, our resident troll! So its all a waste of time.

      Eradicate_WhitePrivilege - 2011-11-13 17:17

      I'm trolls. Trolls don't interact with people on a intelectual level whereas I'm am more than willing to do so. It would makes sense though for someone who who does not have the intelectula capacity to argue with me, to play the troll card. Makes perfect sense.

      Drewka - 2011-11-13 17:33

      No Marlene, I like the debate. I know he is one of those privileged black people that stays in a good suburb, with 2 cars in his garage and more than enough food to eat tonight. To how he got all that could lead to another debate. My problem with him is that he feels nothing for those brothers in the ekasi, with no food tonight, just a hangover from cheap spirits that he bought to forget all his worries and the only forecast for him is doing that every day. Now that the fight isn’t about white & black, but about rich & poor, EWP feels that he (like his leader malema & co.) should blame it on white people so the poor would be redirected into a racial fight and so fat cats like EWP & malema get fatter. He should actually walk into uMzinyathi with his grey suite and his rich tendencies, but no he shops at white stores only.

      Sharon - 2011-11-13 23:53

      Eradicate - he needs to get a life

      Bradley - 2011-11-14 11:12

      Cant tell if troll or just stupid....

  • Marlene - 2011-11-13 16:38

    Re EWP - refer to my 2nd lot of comments on following article "Vote Kgalema in 2012, sings ANCYL"

      Mike - 2011-11-13 16:46

      He's been posting the same articles for weeks under different names in most articles he is a typical troll but because everybody feeds him he is succeeding in flaming the forum

      Sharon - 2011-11-13 19:30

      Jeez, I think you posted that comment about 6 times!! Build a bridge and get over it buddy. I am sure you will widen your perspective once you get rid of that chip on your shoulder

      Marlene - 2011-11-13 20:54

      @Sharon-who r u referring to?

  • Garth - 2011-11-13 17:35

    What an insignificant, little racist you are ewp! You are either a white troll, or you received an education in a white-sponsored school and therefore, also a hypocrite. You state quite vehemently that Biko was a racist too! Interesting . . . wonder what he would have thought of that?

      Eradicate_WhitePrivilege - 2011-11-13 19:13

      I never called Steve Biko a racist.

  • rowen.loretz - 2011-11-13 17:50

    @eradicate your ignorance. you have been brainwashed or something...go to Zim!

  • Edmund - 2011-11-13 18:00

    China is a communist country and they have the most wealthiest people in the world. I think they are also family and friends of the chosen once. So Tokyo wouldn't loos nothing. I think he can only gain more. I am disappointed in him, never though he would support corruption. I'm now out of choices for president.

  • Shoe - 2011-11-13 18:12

    Tokyo is nothing but an older version who managed to slip through the ANC cracks unnoticed. They are both empty, shallow, cheap and greedy opportunists who see politics a Ponzi scheme to make a fast buck. He's only being exposed for what he always has been.

  • Dragan - 2011-11-13 18:27

    Eradicate_WhitePrivilege-==You are,obviously,knowledgeable and well of individual.But,Malcolm X and Black Panthers are outdated and misplaced,dude.Are you overcompensating for your inferiority syndrome?(My wife hate any woman better or prettier than her).Do you demand a special treatment and a status just because you are black? I am white,above 50 and professional guy that is retrenched to make a space for the black guy needed for the BEE frauds.And you call that White Supremacy?Get a life or good shrink,as amount of your hate against the Whites is morbid and pathological(not political,ass you tried to present).And,small advice,buddy,only people who are insignificant personally,uses IDENTIFICATION&COMPENSATION hiding behind the race,nationality,religion,political party,formal and informal groups(read-gangs,syndicates etc.).Individual is center of the Universe,everything else is ideology made to manipulate masses for the more sinister interests.

  • Dallas - 2011-11-13 18:33

    @ Eradicate... i want you to be president, you have all the answers. You are the only single-minded person who sees things as they really are. Please join/start a political party, you will rack up massive support from Zanu-PF and other extremist groups. I will also vote for you while i sing "shoot the boer" I am actually going to find a poor white kid to beat for being the benefactor of apartheid. Then i am going to take all his possessions and give them to you. Acutally maybe ill give them to zuma, he can use them and cut some costs of his 170mil renovations. Or if i sell them i can give the cash to Joemat-Petterson to help cover the R420K taxpayers money she squandered at a guest house. I think if we take every cent away from the white agents and give it to the government to handle we could change South Africa into to the country it should have been. If we chase all those agents back to where they came from and get our brothers back from all over the world...just imagine. What should we do about the land we took from the San? I'm prepared to forget about that if you are. Who cares about them anyway they not really even black! Anyway, you have all the answers so i will leave it to you!!!

  • Rodent - 2011-11-13 20:51

    I agree that an Africaner can be regarded as white african. We (overseas) even read in school textbooks that Boer war was between English colonisers and various african tribes, some of them descendants of European settlers of centures ago, but still belonging to "african tribes". This is not true for servants of the queen who came here to advance the empire

  • Amanda - 2011-11-13 22:14

    We all remember the boy and the burning W-tyre. Not a good choice Julius. I fail to understand how money could be paid to anyone that is suspended and investagation. Feed the nation and create jobs please. Stop paying the millions or rather billions of rands to those who overstepped the law. PLEASE. Start in the Limpopo area..... not Polokwane closer to the Krugerpark if you do not mind...Corruption fail to create jobs and the do not feed the hungry!!.......

      fredahsm - 2011-11-13 23:09

      Most companies pay while a person is suspended, pending outcome of investigation, lets educate ourselves and understand some of the basis as to when does one get suspended without pay.......

  • Godfrey - 2011-11-13 23:13

    Tokyo, is strategist. By siding with Malema his future business prospects, if nationalization of the mines materializes would be in his favour, which is pure self interest and financial greed

  • Calvin - 2011-11-13 23:38

    I would like to see more radical youth. Why must the people continue to sufer peacefully when others have it all. The problem with Malema is that he does not practice what he preaches. But his words represent the marginalised and the destitude who voted for the present government. Our Democracy has too much sacrife and compromise. How can it be a revolution when the masses are sidelined. Living in squater camps and jobless. The people are supose to govern politically and economically. The struggle continues.

  • alansmartSnr - 2011-11-14 00:38

    ..While the clowns are still acting like idiots the circus will go on.

  • Marion - 2011-11-14 07:48

    We heard, a while back, that the calls for nationalisation are based on the fact that many top people in the ANC were given shares in mines that they were not permitted to sell and that nationalisation was their way of getting paid out for the shares. Fact or fiction?

  • Lungani - 2011-11-14 08:25

    Tokyo has always been suspect to me, Kgalema should be vigilant in all his dealings with the Human Settlements Minister because he does act as if he wants to be the next in line

  • Lungani - 2011-11-14 08:33

    @Jerhone your reference to your country's ruling party as a deadly disease is quastionable. you should accept that your DA will govern only the Western Cape and if statements like this one that you posted carry on being on public doamin, watch out not give away to "the cANCer, in a silver platter, the Western Cape as well

  • Marion - 2011-11-14 08:35

    Typically misleading headline. Not the ANC who 'slammed' him at all, but the NDC of the ANC who found some of his points to be invalid. Anything to be sensationalist!

  • kudakwashe.manyame - 2011-11-14 09:57

    Mr Tkyo please wait, we know that you are behind something, You want to be the next sa president, and you believe Jujuis the only person to put you there. You are 202% wrong

  • debbie.van.niekerk - 2011-11-14 12:03

    Why Tokyo why??? You WERE one of the good guys...or so we thought>>>>

  • CarlS - 2011-11-14 12:49

    Confused: Is Malema Tokyo's b1tch or vice versa?

  • Cheryl - 2011-11-14 15:46

    hawks , time investigate tokyo..if guilty, send him back to tokyo.