ANCYL lambasts press ombudsman

2011-04-05 22:14

Johannesburg - The ANCYL called Press Ombudsman Joe Thloloe "useless and toothless" on Tuesday, accusing him of undermining democracy after he refused a request to investigate how two newspapers misquoted its president Julius Malema.

In an attack on Thloloe, ANC Youth League (ANCYL) spokesperson Floyd Shivambu offered him "best wishes" in his continued effort to "erode the little respect" he had from other people.

"It is unfortunate though that some amongst us of the previously oppressed people have been co-opted into agendas that undermine the democracy and freedoms our forefathers fought for with their lives," Shivambu said.

Thloloe would not be drawn into the fray. "I won't stoop to that level," he said.

"They talk about democracy and freedom: they don't know anything about that. Press freedom is a cornerstone of democracy," he said.

Shivambu said the self-regulation of the media in South Africa was a threat to democracy and the dignity of people and should be stopped as soon as possible.

Last week, The Star and Daily Sun newspapers quoted Malema as criticising President Jacob Zuma - a move that could have landed Malema in hot water with the ruling party - but made front page apologies when it became clear that he had been misquoted.

While the reporter, who has since been dismissed, claimed the offending quote was not in his original story, the news agency he worked for, African Eye News Service (AENS) claimed he dictated it later by telephone.


On Monday, Thloloe denied a request by Shivambu to "consider and investigate" who was responsible for inserting the incorrect quotes into the offending stories.

"The Star and Daily Sun have conceded that they were in breach of the [Press code of conduct] and have apologised. There is no need to go over that ground again," Thloloe said at the time.

"It is the newspaper as a whole that has to take the blame. Our findings are not against the individual reporter, news editor, sub-editor, revise sub-editor or the editor on duty - all the people through whose hands a story has to pass before it is printed," he said.

He said Shivambu's request suggested he did not understand how the press ombudsman system worked.

The ombudsman's mandate included cautioning or reprimanding a publication and directing a publication to publish a correction, retraction, explanation, apology, the findings of the ombudsman, or a complainant's reply.

On Tuesday, Shivambu described Thloloe's refusal to investigate as "predictable".

"The ANCYL is not at all shocked by the response of the press ombudsman, because we are fully aware that lodging a complaint with the press ombudsman is tantamount to seeking ‘cat-justice’," he said.

Shivambu said the ANCYL would "explore all available avenues, including court action" to find out who inserted the incorrect quote.


Commenting in Thloloe's defence on Tuesday, the Press Council of SA described the ANCYL's attack as "gratuitous" and said it was clearly aimed at promoting a pro-Media Appeals Tribunal faction within the ANC.

Council chairperson Raymond Louw said in a statement that Shivambu had confirmed this when he said the call for the establishment of a Tribunal should be placed on Parliament's agenda.

Louw said the Press Council was "disgusted" at the "unjust attack" and expressed its support for Thloloe.

"This latest disparagement of the press ombudsman and the system is not the first time the ANCYL has told blatant untruths to discredit the press and its press self-regulatory process which is largely the same as those used in the majority of the world's democracies," he said.

It was untrue that the ombudsman was appointed by media houses and was therefore representing their interests.

"He is appointed by an appointments panel headed by a judge appointed by the chief justice and composed of a public and a press representative," said Louw.

"A survey of the ombudsman's rulings shows that more than 60% favour complainants - hardly the conduct of a media house representative."

Shivambu is being sued by an Independent Newspaper journalist for hate speech after allegedly calling her "stupid" and a "white bitch".

ANCYL spokesperson Magdalene Moonsamy has described the reporter, Carien du Plessis, as a liar with "tendencies", but did not detail what these tendencies might be.

  • Karoobloed - 2011-04-05 22:51

    So Mr. Malema wants to gag the press, when the one person that should be gagged in RSA is himself. How rich in irony, but one cannot expect our mentally challenged young tyrant in waiting from "getting" that.

      Gallows - 2011-04-06 10:44

      Next stop, taking down twitter.

      Thangy - 2011-04-06 10:53

      "It is unfortunate though that some amongst us of the previously oppressed people have been co-opted into agendas that undermine the democracy and freedoms our forefathers fought for with their lives," Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with the ancyl they are, if black, labeled an agent, if white, labeled a racist??

      karin.g - 2011-04-06 15:07

      @ THANGY I was thinking of exactly the same thing. He now wants to emotionally blackmail Thloloe into doing his "dirty work". I heard the speach Mandela gave when he was freed the other day again. He clearly states that he fought for the freedom of ALL! Not only the ANC

  • spade - 2011-04-05 22:57

    They talk about democracy, but they are the ones undermining democracy by supporting Robert Mugabe. The ANCYL is an embarrassment to blacks. What's worse is that a person like malema is even employed in government. what does he actually do? he just wastes money! what has he actually done for SA? He is like Eugene Terblanche...all rhetoric but no actual practical answers....

  • mdandrease - 2011-04-06 00:07

    This a stupid shivambu thinks people r stupid its all uncesary its a ploy 2 gather suport 4 da media tribunal the youth league is run by idiots

  • franssmith100 - 2011-04-06 00:23

    with youth leaders like this... what future does sa have. thanks heavens i left.

  • Alibaba - 2011-04-06 02:26

    He-he, they most probably don't understand that the English word "tendencies" must be used to refer to something, i.e. "tendencies towards...." - they just think they are being very smart when they use the word...

  • Dr. No - 2011-04-06 05:30

    A public apology is enough for most people plus a head rolled in the process. However I do understand that as the chosen ones who have done so much for others they are entitled to have the world stop on its axis because JuJu's feelings are hurt. After all its not like SA has real problems or anything?

  • Vincedust - 2011-04-06 06:11

    thats damn downgrading on it's own Floyd Shivambu! i'll say it again if Malema can call other people names it's ok and everything is well, but when something is said about the ancyl they cry like 5 year old who lost a toy or something!!!!! ANCYL is becoming a joke, Floyd is clearly an ass kisser just to show he's kindergarden leader he can take action for useless things. "Undermining Democracy" se voet man! ANCYL is still living in the past with dictatorship mind sets! Grow up and do something worth doing! floyd please stop kissing ass as you going to look like one at the end the day!

  • Dave - 2011-04-06 06:31

    RUSSIA:- we are the first to go to space USA:- we are the first to land on the moon Zuma:- we will be the first to land on the sun USA:- the sun is too hot, you cannot land on it Malema:- we are not stoopied, we will go at night.

  • eyrie - 2011-04-06 06:48

    flog a dead horse why don't you

  • coolwaynie - 2011-04-06 07:05

    'Useless and toothless'...much like the South African legal system huh..vat so katvis.

      ji - 2011-04-06 07:53

      'Useless and toothless'... much like the pathetic ANCYL .

  • Farmerjohn - 2011-04-06 07:14

    Can I comment on this ?? Huhuhu A a a Huhu Bananas anyone huhu

      matla - 2011-04-06 07:31

      @farmerjohn take a flight back to 1616 ,moron

      Boychild - 2011-04-06 08:18

      @ matla, Ok Farmerjohns comment is derogatory to Apes, but I think even you have to admit that ANCYL is becoming a threat to our democracy..... as they espouse the ideas of the ANC leaders (who are to wary to push it themselves lest it backfires). As the ANC cannot come out directly and say where they are aiming for fear of retribution not only on the international stage but from their own followers, they get ANCYL stooges to stoke the fires and test the waters. ANCYL has now warned us of the ANC plans and they are as follows:- Muzzle the media so we can do whatever we want and no-one can point it out Centralise all power so we can declare our king who will rule for ever Return to tribal rule where everything and everyone is answerable only to the chief and democracy is an illusional carrot used to keep the masses and the international gallery in step Get into the favour of the Chief as he grants favours and wealth in return Whatever more you can read into it, I think it is time for all South African to be wary and afraid...... wary of false prophets and afrai of the looming reality of a total dictatorship

      Sho Fukamachi - 2011-04-06 10:56

      @Boychild: Dictatorship will not happen in SA. If anyone in this country, decides that he'll be dictator, he'll be met with a rain of bullets and he'll be washed away in a river of blood. The ANC knows this, hence they are preparing for it. The right-wingers know this as well, hence they have also been preparing. The real loss will be for all the innocent bystanders caught in the middle, but if you vote for the ANC you deserve to die with your dictator as well, as you are willingly sacrificing others for the benefit of a free piece of chicken with every election. ANC, your time is running out, let's hope you step down when the country demands it, otherwise, bless us all, and may the corrupt ANC politicians burn at the stake.

  • Thandi - 2011-04-06 07:30

    Mal-Emmer and Shit-a-bull - what a pair of absolute c*#nts. I don't know why archeologists spend so much time digging in holes looking for the missing link, when it is alive and well right here in the ANCYL.

  • Zupta - 2011-04-06 07:30

    Correction Vincedust , ShivanGOO already looks like an ass and talks with one too. Magdalene spokesperson say something original u also sound like ur master probably went to the same woodwork class and received ur blockhead diploma. These clowns are not as good as the supreme blockhead, come JulARSE open ur mouth I'm dying for another stupid line. Just makes my day.

  • Badger - 2011-04-06 07:30

    Initially everone thought the ancyl was an organisation to reckon with. It now becomes clear they are only overgrown kids with monkey tendencies. They are busy f&^king up the ancircus party big time. DA should reward them for their efforts. Ironically they are to stupid to realise it. Keep going monkey league!!!

  • Badballie - 2011-04-06 07:35

    Where as I agree that the Press Ombudsman should have more power to impose fines and penalties etc where false reporting is concerned, Malema's intention is to muzzle the free press completely which is totally unacceptable. Most of us "colonists" studied the same "rule of engagement" as you did Malema, your policy of internal destabilization will not work here.

  • Sarcastic - 2011-04-06 07:35

    LOL. This entire article was taken out of context. LMAO. The minute our press loses the right to report on news, everything will be taken out of context. More lies and deception from the idiot youth league. That was taken out of context.

  • Nesomaniac - 2011-04-06 07:44

    Who pays any attention to anything uttered by the ANCYL when there isn't a functional brain cell amongst the lot of them?

  • lucky.kok - 2011-04-06 07:45

    Just a simple sorry can not kill you. Bye

  • Sarcastic - 2011-04-06 07:47

    Text books will record the ANC as: Madiba - a man who gave his life for the Liberation of people and a country. A man who forgave and in turn received the trust and respect of the world. Result: could have been accepted as President of the world. Mbeki - the away president who loved to look after foreign relations. Big supporter of Garlic and Olive oil to cure HIV/Aids. HIV does not cause Aids. The President who was recalled because he was not seen as a president at all. Result: a coconut JZ - Rape, a trial and elected as president. Only in Africa. Corruption, a trial and his beste chomma spends time in hospital. Actual output to the needs of a country - zero Malama - failed woodwork. went on to become the biggest idiot in the world. Steve Hoff - a poofter Can I get some help from other people on this?

      Thandi - 2011-04-06 07:58

      Yiu left out Winnie - thieving murderous personification of all that is evil.

  • Desire - 2011-04-06 07:52

    Funny, these youth league halfwits rely completely on the media to spread their venomous vitriol. Wonder how they would respond to a total media blackout on the laughable yoof leeg

  • ReThan - 2011-04-06 08:12

    !!!!amelam suiluj kcuf

  • The Observer - 2011-04-06 08:17

    The ANCYL called Press Ombudsman Joe Thloloe "useless and toothless". Well look who's talking. Interspecies breeding = Juliaas

  • Monde - 2011-04-06 08:35

    Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms Adj. 2. ANCYL - lacking orderly continuity; "a confused set of instructions"; "a confused dream about the end of the world"; "disconnected fragments of a story"; "scattered thoughts" garbled, disjointed, disordered, illogical, scattered, unconnected, disconnected incoherent - without logical or meaningful connection; "a turgid incoherent presentation"

  • Greg - 2011-04-06 09:08

    ANCYL throwing a tantrum because they are not getting their own way again. They need a hiding just like naughty boys and girls get when they misbehave. Magdalene Moonsamy just behave.

  • Greg - 2011-04-06 09:11

    These guys have two brain cells each, one is damaged and they other is keeping the damaged one company.

  • bill - 2011-04-06 09:23

    He should be put down and used as compost

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-04-06 09:24

    HAHAHA HAHAHA!!!!!! Stupid!!! They like cry babies not getting their way. ROFL!!!

  • JMan - 2011-04-06 09:32

    I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone can still take the ANCYL seriously. Seriously.

  • AnanseYoYo - 2011-04-06 10:14

    eeee now thees man she is useless and toothless. We are the futa leaders. We can sling muudd and call names but we don't have plans to build this country. Eish now thinking of positive solutions is verrry difficult. Let us rather just complain and call names. Powa to the very inteeligent people like uuuuuus! Malema for presidaaant!

  • Thangy - 2011-04-06 10:51

    "It is unfortunate though that some amongst us of the previously oppressed people have been co-opted into agendas that undermine the democracy and freedoms our forefathers fought for with their lives," Why is it that anyone who disagrees with the ancyl is, if black an agent, if white, a racist? why?

  • Other Justin - 2011-04-06 11:01


  • michaelph - 2011-04-06 12:19

    Why is it that the press freely issues an apology to JM for misquotes but that is not good enough? Yet when 95% of what JM says is racist, no-one bats an eyelid. Even when he is ordered to make an apology by a court he refuses. When did this little sh*t become above the law?

  • Snow F Lake - 2011-04-06 13:18

    Please... the press couldn't discredit those fools any more than they discredit themselves on a daily basis. I think the kids are just lobbying for papa Zuma's media tribunal.

  • KaiinSA - 2011-04-06 13:53

    Thloloe would not be drawn into the fray. "I won't stoop to that level," he said. "They talk about democracy and freedom: they don't know anything about that. Press freedom is a cornerstone of democracy," he said. Good on him. I wouldnt stoop to their level either.

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