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Afrikaner family seeks asylum in US

2012-02-22 09:02

Johannesburg - A white Afrikaner family is seeking refugee status in the United States, claiming they will be victims of racism if they return to South Africa, The Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Their lawyer is trying to get academics in the US to give credence to their claim, according to the newspaper.

They did not want to speak to the newspaper "because of privacy and safety concerns", said their lawyer Rehim Babaoglu.

A University of Memphis scholar has rejected requests by the "white Afrikaner farmers" to help them in their court application.

"I am not interested in assisting Afrikaners claiming discrimination in a non-racial, democratic, post-apartheid South Africa," said Professor Mark Behr, who is also a white Afrikaner.

"In my scholarly opinion, there is absolutely no basis for their allegation, whatever evidence they may present."

He told the newspaper that in his view no other academic would back their claims either.

Comments
  • Mike - 2012-02-22 09:11

    Why is Behr in the USA if RSA IS SO WONDERFUL?

      Bob - 2012-02-22 09:14

      Took the words out of my mouth!

      dirkstrauss - 2012-02-22 09:17

      EXACTLY!

      Sam - 2012-02-22 09:17

      So if you love your country you shouldn't travel or work overseas with people that would further your experience?

      Marion - 2012-02-22 09:17

      My thoughts exactly Mike. Easy to speak when you are in a place you consider safe. In theory SA is non-racist. But it exists across the entire spectrum of rainbow colours. However, that guy who went to Canada didn't get asylum and I reckon this guy hasn't a hope in hell either. Question is though, are this family trying to escape SA because racism is targeted at them, or because they are racist themselves and want to escape from 'die swart gevaar'?

      abigail.fourie - 2012-02-22 09:21

      He did not imply SA is so wonderful, now did he?

      Ben - 2012-02-22 09:41

      No way that I would swap my country for the U.S. Been there, seen it and that was enough. The best part of it was when we landed on S.A. soil. This man wiil be buried on S.A. soil no matter what.

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-22 09:44

      PROBABLY RUNNING FROM OWN SKELETONs??

      Shanelle - 2012-02-22 09:49

      @Ben_S - I agree!! Ons vir jou Suid Afrika!!! We need to make the change even in small ways!

      Celtis - 2012-02-22 10:05

      I will agree with the prof if he can find a similar job as his current one at an South African university.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 10:57

      @Stinkhout he does have one, at UCT. Goes to show the speculation that's going on here...

      Celtis - 2012-02-22 11:09

      Oops, missed that on. Guess that explains his standpoint then.

      Angela - 2012-02-22 11:14

      @Mike - you need to understand how academia works to get an answer to your question. Basically you go where the funding is for your area of research. That could be anywhere.

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 11:14

      Behr didn't immigrate, he works in the USA as millions of people from all over the world do every year i.e. work in a country other than your own. Academics especially travel around to different universities, to gain experience, find work, etc. Besides Behr also didn't say that SA is "wonderful", only that the family's attempt at gaining a refugee status is unwarranted.

      Boeretroos - 2012-02-22 11:26

      Prof Behr? wikipedia..After leaving the South African Defence Force, Behr attended Stellenbosch University in the Western-Cape Province of South Africa. It was during this period (1985–1989) that Behr's creative work was first published several poems appeared in the university's annual magazine, "Die Stellenbosse Student". Undergoing a process of political radicalization himself, he later turned double agent and spied on the South African government on behalf of the African National Congress, one of the major anti-apartheid organizations (and, since the 1994 elections, the governing party of the new multiracial democracy). Having graduated with a Bachelor of Arts degree with majors in English and Politics. Behr proceeded to read for an Honors degree in Politics. After a year with IDASA (the Institute for a Democratic Alternative for South Africa) Behr became a Research Fellow and lecturer at the International Peace Research Institute in Oslo, Norway, and began to travel between Europe, South Africa, and the United States. He enrolled at the University of Notre Dame in the United States where he studied with Joseph Buttigieg, the translator of Antonio Gramsci’s Prison Notebooks. Behr graduated from Notre Dame with Master’s degrees in International Peace Studies in 1993, Fiction Writing in 1998, and English Literature in 2000.

      Brigitte - 2012-02-22 11:32

      that is EXACTLY what I was thinking! Fat good he is opening his mouth when he is sitting pretty!

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-02-22 11:44

      a non-racial, democratic, post-apartheid South Africa.... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

      Byron - 2012-02-22 11:46

      "This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (July 2011)" - source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Behr

      clivegoss - 2012-02-22 12:25

      And this Behr (bear) teaches (lectures)others ?

      Itsmy - 2012-02-22 12:50

      So basically what you saying is because Behr is working and living over there he thinks poorly of South Africa? why you going off at a man that this article isn't even about? people like this tool that wants refugee status are the ones that give this country a bad name

      sachasea - 2012-02-22 13:29

      Mike that is an absurd thing to say. I love SA to bits and have lived abroad to further my career and money earning potential for a number of years. I also like to experience foreign culture, that doesn't make me any less of a South African. Also you don't really know enough about him to make such a judgement for example what if he is married to an American and has American kids?

  • Karen - 2012-02-22 09:15

    And so Prof. Behr, what are you doing working in the USA - either to get away yourself from SA, if not, you have not been living in the new "democratic" SA, and will not know what is really going on here. There is a vast difference between what our constitution says and the reality on the ground. Come back for a few years, and you will probably be begging to get refugee status in the US.

      elewies - 2012-02-22 09:54

      Yes there is a difference between what the constitution says and what happens in reality: The difference is that all races in this country are subjected to racism. All races are victims of domestic abuse. All race are subjected to rape and murder. We all experience the same things. Please remember that the Beeld and Huigenoot you read tend to only focus on stories which affect people who live in nice white suburbs and don't really ever tell the horrors which happen in townships and other less fortunate place.

      Marion - 2012-02-22 10:42

      @elewies... you need to read Drum magazine and Sowetan to see what happens in townships etc.,

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 11:18

      Oh ffs! Millions of people live and work in other countries for a period of time without wanting to "get away" from their country of origin/birth/citizenship. Academics are amongst the professions that travel around most to different univerisities, for experience, for work, etc. Behr didn't immigrate, he didn't try to attain refugee status and he certainly didn't say that South Africa is "wonderful"! Besides, why don't people go straight to the constitutional court if they feel so extremely done-in. Well said Elewies.

      mongi.mekgwe - 2012-02-22 11:24

      You started with this racism thing, where blacks were oppressed. Now when our country is striving hard to fix the mess that was created by apartheid there is a problem with the constitution, don't make me laugh lets fix this country for the better and stop with this nonsense of racism for the sake of our children.

      sizwe - 2012-02-22 11:49

      @Cosmic... Don't live in denial please boet/chikka... You sound like one of those people who are going to say people must be thankful for being oppressed for so many years... You need to pick up a book every once in a while... I will give you an example or two of the the mess it created. The crime problem is SA has a lot to do with apartheid, the squatter camps, the poor education system, the millions of houses without electricity or access to clean water... Would you like me to continue?

      Tanie - 2012-02-22 11:55

      Cosmic the ''mess'' that apartheid created is you.

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 12:03

      @ Cosmic - wow but you are completely naive and ignorant, not to mention indoctrinated by the old regime's propaganda.

      Joe - 2012-02-22 12:35

      PROFESSOR MARK BEHR DID NOT MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS. IF YOU READ THE ORIGINAL TIMES ARTICLE, IT WAS DENNIS LAUMANN (who is not South African) WHO MADE THE STATEMENTS. SHOCKING REPORTING BY NEWS24. SEE THE ARTICLE FOR YOUSELF: http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/02/22/we-want-out-of-sa

      Stefanus - 2012-02-22 13:19

      WELL KAREN, THATS A STUPID QUESTION, IF MOST OF US HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO THE US WE WOULD TAKE IT, AND ITS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF CRIME, ITS A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY FOR STARTERS AND THE CENTER OF THE WORLD (FIGURATIVELY)

  • Colline - 2012-02-22 09:15

    In my UNSCHOLARLY opinion you clearly haven't had your family wiped out in farm attacks!

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-22 10:15

      313 deaths per 100 000 Farm murders , thats more than heart disease ,Car accidents and cancer combined . Whether the blame on all sides are placed in the right place , CLEARLY there is a monumental elephant in the room thats costing lives .

      Marion - 2012-02-22 10:43

      @allcoveredinNinjas... surely you mean 313 deaths per 100 000 farm attacks?

      Eugene - 2012-02-22 11:25

      This dude of an academic makes even a false claim to scholarly opinion, since he is a lecturer for fiction writing and the like: http://www.rhodes.edu/English/24332_20993.asp Notably he was a double spy for both the former government and the ANC. Or that's what I get from his wikipedia entry.

      Garth - 2012-02-22 11:31

      313 violent deaths per 100,000 people(white demographic.)

      sizwe - 2012-02-22 11:52

      313 deaths per 100 000 murders. I always thought murdered people were dead already. Someone explain are there 100 000 farm murders or 313... @allcoveredinNinjas That comment didnt make sense to me please clarify

      Stefanus - 2012-02-22 13:21

      @allcoveredinNinjas 313 deaths per 100 000 Farm murders WOW MAN, THAT IS A SHOCKING STATISTC, DID YOU PULL IT OUT YOUR @$$?

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-02-22 13:26

      @S1zwe & Marion - its a common notation for statistics so its comparable , so you'll see per 100 000 people 25 die of TB ect . So there are 25000 farmers @ 313per100k you get a rate of 78.25 a year. This is inclusive of the estimated 77 farm attacks per month. Its not easy trying to get reliable stats as divulsion is a problem and the changing demographics (eg: Number of commercial farmers has dropped significantly). Even conservative estimates are anomolously high and without authorities showing real concern and action it will create a sense of persecution and fear . Not a good combination.

      Funani - 2012-02-22 16:09

      People can and do emigrate everyday, people of all races, for various reasons including crime, job opportunities, business, just. If these boerjies want to leave, they must not act like there is a war against white people in Mzansi. I happen to leave in a neighbourhood where I have neighbours from white (Afrikaner), white (English), Indian, Coloured, native African origin. I can assure you no one is being killed for being who and what they are.

  • Makatikamusona - 2012-02-22 09:16

    If they want to relocate let them do so without tarnishing the image of South Africa, if they did not want to speak to the newspaper the how did they lick the information to the media in the first place. I think they are just bitter and don't want to accept the Black Government.

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 10:01

      @Makatika. You need a bit of insight into the problems of South Africa and get over your black/white issues. The country is in a financial mess because of mismanagement and people that are not qualified to do their jobs. You need to analyse the Zimbabwe economy after 31 years of Independence and ask yourself if that is the way we want to go. If we don't have a functioning economy you will be paying R50 for one carrot soon. I read all your comments because I love your spirit, but I strongly believe you are clever enough to grasp the bigger picture and become a positive contributor to our economy for the benefit of 45 Million of us that are suffering under the current corruption. Please forget the black/white thing and start thinking ahead about our problems. 2 Million AIDS orphans, the unemployment rate, the Millions without houses. Do you think we have time to hate whites when our country is being invaded by the rest of the world? Should you and I not be fighting for our land instead of spending our time on petty issues? Take my hand Makatika and fight with me and every other South African for the benefit of all of us! Please!

      Inky - 2012-02-22 10:21

      No danger of them tarnishing the image of South Africa. The anc has already done that.

      kmangi - 2012-02-22 10:23

      @Vusi yr missing makatika's point...let them apply for in a different way, not by talking bull abt our country...EVERY COUNTRYhas problems,so does America

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 10:30

      @kgangi. I'm not missing anything about Makatika's point. We have been debating long before this particular news report. He is a very bright man and I'm trying to get him to fight for the benefit of the country, not against it! I would love to serve in the same government with him because he has balls! He states his view and stands by it!

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-22 11:10

      Makatika might be right in his assissment of these particular people but Vusi is also right regarding standing together. I personally do not have a problem with South Africa and I will in all likelihood live here my whole life (even if I also do not move ahead in life due to AA etc. I understand that there is a place for AA and can live with it. What however really worries me is my childs future. He was born in 97 and if I look at current goings on ito admission to varsities etc I fear that no matter how well he does at school he might not even get in. Then lets say he does get in - he is still going to be overlooked for appointment and promotions in his life. That is simply such a great disadvantage that I think I should encourage him to go overseas even though I don't like it and wish it wasn't necessary... what to do?

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 11:21

      @ Inky - the NP tarnished it first, the ANC is continuing the practice.

      Adam - 2012-02-22 11:30

      Economy is a white word and a pyramid scheme to favour the rich royals and rich elite, there is no such a thing as economy, and you dont need an economy to live/survive, how did blacks survive for 6000 years? now all of a sudden they need white economics to survive??ah plz..its a lie! News24 are deceiving you! don't read the lies, its a British news media used to make racial conflict in countries that have valuable resources, like Zimbabwe and SA..so that they can steal from us while the country is in chaos/conflict..South Africans get along just fine, i think that America and England and Europe should be more worried about Russia and china giving them what they deserve!

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 11:32

      @Louis. I strongly believe your fears are unfounded and unnecessary. You see at the rate we are allowing other nations into our country, the whole BEE/AA issue will become impractical. Someone from a country like Pakistan would also be classed as a BEE candidate and do you think that is fair towards any other South African irrespective of race? BEE/AA has had it moment. 18 years after 1994 it has no relevance any more. My friends from school, and I started school in 96, are all colour blind and we don't understand why a person should get the benefit just because he/she is of a certain race group. That is reverse Apartheid and it is wrong. All of this will sort itself out during the next 2 elections. The ANC will clean up their house, the DA will grow and the wild ones will join the Wild Child in his new party. So 8 years from now you will see a far more balanced and productive South Africa. You'll see, just have faith and never become negative!

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-02-22 11:46

      Well said vusi

      Inky - 2012-02-22 11:52

      @ Lanfear.Iagree with you.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-22 14:16

      @Vusi If I pretended that Black/White thing is a thing of the past, I would be making a fool of myself. The problem is that people always refer to Zimbabwe as an example of failure; well it is very obvious that it has indeed failed, and it was not because they had bad ideas, but because the methodology/strategy used was not the correct one and Mr Mugabe was arrogant to listen to his people, and when dealing with issues of land we need to tread diligently, emotions must be put aside. @Vusi the problem I see you as one of those leaders that when things go well for them they forget about the other 40Million South African starving out there. As for me whites don’t serve as a threat to me sbecause I know I’m skilled enough to change jobs anytime I want to. Although I do live a good life, I would not forget where I come from, and I still sympathize with my fellow country man who got abused by these whites at work. I say this because I have experience it myself, when I finish Matric (distinction in Mathematic) I could not immediate further my education, so I had to work as merchandiser of one of the global brand. I am telling you that I was working like a slave, you could not stop or talk while working, and it was a struggled. If someone doesn’t like the Country that much why don’t they just pack and Go is not like the country is sinking. South African is one of the most beautiful places to live in, and I would not permanently leave this country.

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 15:52

      @Makatika. That was the first time you and I can talk man to man and start SOLVING our problems! I am so happy this very moment to have a man that has the same goals as mine and we can debate the issues and find solutions!

  • Gaby - 2012-02-22 09:20

    If your opinion cannot be swayed by evidence, then it is based on emotion. Not very academic, is it?

      Andre - 2012-02-22 09:46

      Very well said!

      JJ - 2012-02-22 10:03

      What evidence Gaby? Is it because he's a white afrikaner farmer? Well then I guess the rest of us who are robbed, killed, raped and terrorised count for nothing? We all suffer from crime, there is nothing racist there.

      greeff.kotze - 2012-02-22 10:07

      Exactly what I thought! I agree claiming asylum might be taking it a bit too far, but going on record to say that you are not even interested in considering any evidence that might be presented, and then labelling that as your "scholarly opinion", is the height of irony!

      Francois - 2012-02-22 10:29

      Gaby for Prof!

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 11:07

      Interesting line of thought Gaby. I would think that it would depend whether you accepted the constitutional line of, 'discrimination can be deemed fair if required to correct past injustices' or something to that effect. Reality is if it werent for that constitutional line then frankly there would be ample evidence of racism.

      Psalm - 2012-02-22 11:20

      @ Gaby No, I think you missed the point of the ironic comment by the Prof - "there is ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS for their allegation, WHATEVER EVIDENCE they may present". Let me break down what the Prof is seeking to diplomatic convey to the US media - which message will be clearly understood: whatever hysterical and hyperbolic claims they may present as evidence will not assist in adding any ounce of credibility to their baseless allegation. Full stop. Message understood. Mind you, even in SA we are constantly bombarded with so-called "evidence" of a fictional genocide.

      Eugene - 2012-02-22 11:35

      Just ask this dude yourself: behrm@rhodes.edu

      Marion - 2012-02-22 12:15

      @Gaby... I understood what you meant... Agree with you fully...

  • Lulama - 2012-02-22 09:20

    I really hope they get asylum. Farm murders are real in South Africa and that’s just what they are “farm murders”. These murders are horrific and merciless. They paint a bad picture of my country. So in that regard I hope they get asylum for the reason that there are horrible murders carried out on farmers all the time. But let us not give so much credit to racism.

      wmkhize - 2012-02-22 09:40

      hey Lulma, crime is affecting everyone, its just that farm murders make headlines, i think you are trying to sound politically correct. Just go to any black township police station, and you will hear all kind of horrible stories. We are all affected by crime, except for the polititians with 20 bodyguards

      Marion - 2012-02-22 09:40

      It is not only farmers who are subjected to horrific torture. There are situations in cities where there has been 'overkill' during 'burglaries'. Women being burned with hot irons, raped, children being severely assaulted/killed etc., That level of brutality is not just a farm thing.

      Lulama - 2012-02-22 10:08

      I am in no way denying other forms of crime. I have been a victim of these as well but I cannot say that I even have an idea about farm murders. All I am saying is that let us not put a blame on racism as opposed to crime. We forget to fight the real problem and focus on hating each other (racism0. Let us not direct such anger towards each other because of racism. And if these people want to leave they should. Though they should understand that it won't be perfect on the othr side as well because they are still seen an "the oppresser". Americans are much more radical than we are.

      nchukana - 2012-02-22 11:45

      How many people are killed because of crime in this country. Priests, house wives,children, friends families you name them. Why calling the killing of one farmer a genocide. People are killed across the colour bar. This farmer is one of them stop this nonsense of racialising everynonses. Think of road accidents. These stupits should not get asylum and should not be accepted back to SA. They should go and stay in Zimbabwe.

  • MoAfrika - 2012-02-22 09:22

    Absolute hogwash, attention seeking brats!

      Garth - 2012-02-22 12:05

      Only seeking attention elsewhere because the useless, worthless, thieving, racist anc will not listen to the plight of the citizens of this country. If the useless fat fools that run this country would listen to the people, then maybe SA's horrific crime statistics would diminish. If more of you ignorants that vote for the useless, worthless anc would hold them ACCOUNTABLE, we might see change in this country. BUT NO!! They are your leaders, your struggle heroes, your idols of right against the wrongs of apartheid. They are beyond reproach. That is the HOGWASH!

  • Max - 2012-02-22 09:22

    Prof, we are not non-racial our constitution discriminates against whites which is racist and we are not democratic we practice majority rule....get your sorry ass over here that we can show you.

      Dee - 2012-02-22 10:09

      Thats called Transformation Max. you already have enough money in ur pockets.

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 11:25

      The Constitution does NOT discriminate against any ethnic group. Get your facts straight. Just because in practice there is discrimination on all sides of the fence, doesn't mean it is enshrined in the Constitutional Law.

      nchukana - 2012-02-22 11:54

      Viva Prof

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 13:11

      Section 9(1) of the Constitution of South Africa: "Everyone is equal before the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law" So what's your point Max?

  • George - 2012-02-22 09:24

    Is this the same Mark Behr who was a SA police spy at Stellenbosch in the 80's, and ran away when found out? Seem to remember he sold out his leftie mates to the apartheid police!

      George - 2012-02-22 09:29

      And so it is! Small world.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Behr -

      chantelkm - 2012-02-22 09:42

      precious!

      Marion - 2012-02-22 09:47

      @George... OMG... checked out the link...

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-02-22 10:46

      The web-site is a good read and explain this persons apathy towards the Afrikaner family. I wonder how the story leaked - it seems that Mr Behr might have been the culprit taking is history as double agent into account.

      Merven - 2012-02-22 11:08

      That explains why the idiot is hiding in America.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-02-22 11:23

      @George, seems like the link has been removed, or Mike Behr does not exist on Wiki anymore. Fast action.

      Byron - 2012-02-22 11:32

      This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (July 2011) - source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Behr

      George - 2012-02-22 11:42

      Well, the story is as such - I remember in the day there was this prissy little poet who put himself out as a treehugging jersey-wearing sort hanging out with all the fashionable leftwing hip people going to political meetings; only thing was no one really wanted to be his mate - was never really accepted by either side; I suppose that is the sort that get recruited by the "dark side", whatever side they are on. Quite an untenable situation to recover from really, if you think about it, especially if he went on to doublecross his mates in the SAP... If I was him, I'd leave as well... Anyone else around Stellenbosch along the station end of Dorp Street in those days?

      George - 2012-02-22 11:47

      The only real mystery here is why ever anyone would want his help...

      justin.pretorius - 2012-02-22 12:19

      I wonder how many freedom fighters died as a result of his betrayal to the ANC?

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:36

      what if its him?

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:08

      Yes, he seems to be a really upright sort of guy. No wonder Nchukana is so thrilled with him.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 09:26

    "In my scholarly opinion, there is absolutely no basis for their allegation, whatever evidence they may present." This clearly shows that the scholar is indeed way of target and in my view a person with no regard for truth or normally accepted moral values. apart from that he obviously does not care for the 3000+ farmer that have already been murdered since 1994.

      Marion - 2012-02-22 09:50

      The guy writes fiction, so none of us should be surprised. His family left Tanzania when white-owned farms were nationalized. Check out the wikipedia link supplied by George...

      JJ - 2012-02-22 10:06

      And what about the murders of "ordinary" citizens? How do the numbers stack up? Stop that man, we all suffer from crime no matter which walk of life you come from.

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:38

      he probably cares about the 15k plus murdured every year ,most of whom are black

  • Themba Majawonke Ntuli - 2012-02-22 09:28

    I Think Some Elements Of This Story Raise An Eyebrow Afrikaner Not Wanting To Help His Brethren !! Sensational Journalism At Its Best?

      Merven - 2012-02-22 11:18

      This brother spied for the ANC in the Apartheid era. Funny that he is now hiding in America.

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:39

      he is not hiding,his is a well known practice in acadeamia

  • Lunga - 2012-02-22 09:29

    Now is not the time to judge. Rather, let's look at ourselves as a country, and address the issues that have left this family (and many others of all races) feeling that they will be racially discriminated against.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-22 09:41

      @Lunga, we try but we get shouted down with claims of racism..

      Lunga - 2012-02-22 11:33

      I am not religios, but, I gotta quote a very famous verse from the good book. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

  • malcolm - 2012-02-22 09:30

    "In my scholarly opinion, there is absolutely no basis for their allegation, whatever evidence they may present." What an utterly daft statement. Basically he is stating that their is no basis for the allegations regardless of concrete evidence. I wonder what they teach people at the University of Memphis.Hopefully not science, or brain surgery. This guy sounds like a self denialist ANC government spokesperson.

  • Thopa - 2012-02-22 09:32

    Giv the Prof a bells! "I am not interested in assisting Afrikaners claiming discrimination in a non-racial, democratic, post-apartheid South Africa," said Professor Mark Behr, who is also a white Afrikaner.

      Tinus - 2012-02-22 09:39

      No, give the Prof balls!!!! I have 2 white kids that will not get a job as they are white. What do you call that????

      Dee - 2012-02-22 10:10

      I agree with Thopa. we need to move forward. Givethe Prof a double tot of Bells!

      Celtis - 2012-02-22 10:41

      Thopa and Dee, please make a mental note of your comments and repeat the same in 2022.

      Naledi - 2012-02-22 11:30

      Thinus your two white kids wont get a job, 60 black graduates dont even get to go to interviews.I know a lot of white people with grade 12(maybe finshed post 2001 who are working and many black graduates sitting at home. You not the only one.

      Tinus - 2012-02-22 11:36

      So Dee, you do not think there is discrimination against white SA males? Have you spoken to a qualified, experienced job applicant lately? All jobs specifically states AA only. In the public sector, the ANC rather accept chaos than to appoint competent experienced white candidates. You can label that what you want but the core boils down to uplifting one race group at the detriment of another as they cannot compete on equal footing. Whites (especially males) are systematically economically persecuted. White farmers are exterminated. How do you suggest "we need to move forward"? Forward to what? Asylum is this father’s answer to secure a future for his kids.

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:40

      Tinus I pity your kids,such negative energy,coming from a parent nogal

      Steve - 2012-02-22 15:08

      @ Tinus. I have immigrated to Australia and there aren't many jobs here either. The world economy is going through tough times and it is affecting everywhere. However having spoken to a few of the Sudaneese living here you can understand why the professor said what he did. Its not government policy that white south Africans are in anyway inferior to any race regardless of how you feel. White people aren't being massacred in the streets under government orders so they don't qualify for refugee status. If you want to leave the country there are ways you can go about it that don't make a mockery of the asylum seeking process. Further ( because I know the retorts that will follow ) I moved to Australia because I saw the opportunity for my partner and I to study at some of the best Universities in the world at highly subsided rates and to make an easier start to our life's that wouldn't have been possible considering our ages. South Africa has many wonderful things about it, but then again I left so I guess I can't really comment.

  • Michelle - 2012-02-22 09:34

    if they want proof for their case, just watch the 8pm news in SA once!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-22 09:41

      7pm... there is no news at 8pm...

      violet.bossut - 2012-02-22 10:18

      @Point Blank What is your problem you can get news at any hour on ENews. Idiot

      Garth - 2012-02-22 12:13

      Fallen off your pedestal again blankpoint?

      Vernon - 2012-02-22 14:10

      And I suppose the entire news bulletin is about farm murders?? Crime affects people of all races. If they want to leave the country that's up to them but seeking asylum based on rasicm is OTT.

  • werner.smidt - 2012-02-22 09:35

    Today I learned that "scholarly opinion" trumps "whatever evidence they may present."

      werner.smidt - 2012-02-22 09:41

      This morning I woke up, had breakfast, got to campus and at this very moment, typing a comment. I also hold a government grant and the photo is real, meaning that I am indeed a white, Afrikaans speaking male. I did feel discriminated against when the lift decided to go down a floor first instead of up to mine.

      Celtis - 2012-02-22 11:05

      Good luck finding a job. My advice 2u is to become a professional student and stay on you Gov Grant forever.

  • kabelo.leballo - 2012-02-22 09:38

    lmfao

  • Mzwandile - 2012-02-22 09:40

    Not in my wildest dream did I ever imagine that I can pen this opinion because it goes against my convictions and beliefs. Maybe we need to have a policy of voluntary immigration - all the whiners who for one reason or the other want to reliquish their citizenship and migrate to the country of their choice will be supported by the government. Government will pay for their flight cost, transportation of their belonging and buy their properties. We would have solve half of our problems.

      chantelkm - 2012-02-22 09:45

      and how would you solve the other half oh oracle?

      Marion - 2012-02-22 10:07

      You may be in for a bit of a skrik there. Probably 80% of your problems will emigrate, 'cos it is not only whites that are disillusioned in SA... The reality is that, unlike in SA where voluntary IMMIGRATION takes place daily from other countries such as Zim, Mozambique, Angola, in order to EMIGRATE you cannot just cross international borders without applying for residence etc.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 11:10

      For once I agree with Marion. I like Mzwandile's idea.

      Marion - 2012-02-22 12:20

      @TheJaydedKing.... aaaahhhh you made my day...

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:42

      money wasting,any one who wants to leave,OR Tambo has not moved

  • Andre - 2012-02-22 09:40

    Professor Mark Behr is a retard and his qualifications should be taken away from him he obviously is not qualified to peel an apple. I can justify it in a 100 different ways. This is the only country in the world and the history of the world ever where Economic Empowerment is AGAINST the minority!! EE is always for the minority to help them be part of a society where they are outnumbered ... stupid ass.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 09:51

      Funny then that the group with the lowest unemployment by far STILL remains to be white males. Funny then that the group STILL occupying the majority of the top management positions are white males. And funny then that white males STILL earn more than any other groups in this country. He must be really stupid. What discrimination that is...

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 09:52

      And the reason for the EE being the reverse is because our country's history is reversed. You see, usually majorities oppressed minorities in history but in South Africa was different for nigh on 200 years! Go figure.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-22 09:55

      This is also the only country where the majority was suppressed by the minoirty for more than 100 years - logic should therefore prevail.

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-02-22 11:14

      Hilton and Mzwandile - Very true statements but you forget that you are blaming the living for the mistakes of the dead. I in my life time have done no harm to black african ppl and yet I am discriminated against. My children born in 2000 are going to be discriminated against and likely there children too. Dont get me wrong I understand what ee is trying to do but removing money from me to give to someone else only makes me poorer.

      Hugo - 2012-02-22 12:44

      tjo Andre, is that the reason why the proff should be stripped of his title,now thats some earth shaking stuff

  • annie.kalahari - 2012-02-22 09:41

    Mark Behr is a well-educated man who was able to hitch a hayride on a Rhodes fellowship by his posing as a 'liberal Afrikaner' now refuses to admit that South Africa has become so dangerous for white Afrikaners - where even the president himself chants 'Kill the Boer' at a mass-gathering of leading ANC-executives earlier this year. The record of how endangered the Afrikaners have become is there for everyone to see. Bet your booties the good 'Associate Professor Behr', born in Tanzania, writing in English, but conveniently now calling himself an 'Afrikaner' -- has NEVER EVEN LOOKED INTO THESE RECORDS. Why should he? He's OK as Associate Professor of Creative WRiting at Rhodes College, in the overwhelmingly 'black' university in Memphis, Tennessee. Who can blame him? He's just looking out for Nr One. (view: stellenboschwriters com behr...

      greeff.kotze - 2012-02-22 10:23

      Of course there are problems in this country - and this threatens the well-being of many people, not just Afrikaners. Crime does not discriminate, for one thing. Unemployment cuts across racial boundaries, and is still more prevalent in previous disadvantaged communities. If this family gets asylum because they had a hard time in South Africa, every South African should qualify for that. But that's not how it works. That doesn't mean that Behr is not an ass for his closed-minded, attention-seeking pronouncements, though.

      Helen - 2012-02-22 12:56

      Absolutely right, Annie. He's no doubts holding out for his Green Card by which he and his family can safely live in the glorious USA.

  • William - 2012-02-22 09:42

    They will have to start speaking English!!!

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 10:02

      lol, at least William sees the funny side to it

      Mercha - 2012-02-22 10:46

      lol!!! extremely funny

      Lulama - 2012-02-22 12:02

      I never even thought of that.

      Hamrammr - 2012-02-22 12:58

      I would not mind, I see myself as a traditional Afrikaner except for the religious issue, and have no problem speaking English at all. Most Afrikaners I know write and speak English almost fluently.

      Aphiwe - 2012-02-22 13:53

      Lmao William. Can they even though... *dead*

  • Victor - 2012-02-22 09:43

    In the old SA the previous disadvantaged were given Ciskei, Transkei, etc. Give the white afrikaner their own land. No, this will not happen, cause there will be no one working in the new SA, and the afrikaner state will march from success to success. The white is being surpressed in the new South Africa. Why do people immigrate??? Why has this country gone from a first world to a 3rd world??? The proof is in the pooding, and it's such a pitty some ruling idiots and their supporters don't realise it.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 09:54

      Lol at this country going from 1st world to 3rd world. What was it again, 1st world for 'Europeans only'. I can't be too sure. Remind me again?

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-22 10:00

      Bantustan or Boerevolk is not our policy however I think we must consider a voluntary immigration policy. For those attending the ANC policy conference in June, please think about this seriously.

      Marion - 2012-02-22 10:09

      @Victor... I don't think we ever qualified to be 1st world 'cos we were a developing country...

      greeff.kotze - 2012-02-22 10:26

      No, I don't think we can ever claim first world status (then or now) when even the "privileged" cannot distinguish between immigration and emigration, and cannot spell pudding. ;-)

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 12:12

      Firstly, we have NEVER been a so-called first world country. Secondly, you confuse white and Afrikaner with each other, they are not inclusive as there are many whites in SA that are not Afrikaners, or only Afrikaans speaking but do not align themselves with the "Afrikaner volk".

  • Grimett - 2012-02-22 09:43

    Racism is still rife Behr, why are you not here ? Malema has a vacancy for a Afrikaner maid at his house. Another "mystery" is why don't white farmers use white labour on the farms,there's thousands of poor unemployed whites begging.Thumbs up ?thumbs down ?

      Marion - 2012-02-22 10:12

      Question is would white labour be prepared to work for the lowly wages that farm workers get? If they would, why don't they approach farmers for jobs - would at least get free accommodation, probably farm produce?

  • Thoka - 2012-02-22 09:43

    hy my boet. daar is nie broer-skap in USA. lmao

  • Wesley - 2012-02-22 09:43

    Love this, Why did the white afrikaner prof leave if it was such a great country. South Africa is the only country in the world where Affirmative Action protects the majority. There are 200 000 white families in this country that fall below the bread line, when asked in an interview what their stance on this was, the ANC replied "What about them?" We pretend it's not a segregated country, but the truth is, there is no one looking out for whites that are down on their luck. Sorry Prof, perhaps you should come home and have a look, before trying to save face to the media. Hope these guys get it right, the problem in this country need to be acknowledged.

      JJ - 2012-02-22 10:13

      200,000 you say? And that stacks up how against let say the black and coloured community? I know i havent properly done research and can't show you anything but i'm willing to bet that the percentages in terms of that demographic will not support you.

  • Mzamo - 2012-02-22 09:45

    As far as I am concerned, S.A. is for all who live in it and all citizens have equal rights. There are instances where you find that we step on each other's toes which I guess happens everywhere. May be I live he is talking about other country that I don't know!!!

  • Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 09:50

    LMAO what will the Afrikanners do next? stay tuned. LMAO

      greeff.kotze - 2012-02-22 10:29

      See, that's also part of the problem. This article is about one family, not "the Afrikaners". Makes you no better than the other bigots.

  • Themba - 2012-02-22 09:50

    Racism cannot be ignored in this country and must be spoken & acted against in all it's forms. Seemingly the majority of white South Africans have their minds in the right place- to contribute to a successful rebirth of a country we all love so dearly- why else would there only be 800 white 'refugee status seekers' in 18 years of black rule. Anyway the Prof. Is right, the repulsive 'deceased' precipitate of apartheid has a history and 'parents',late though they may be. So to all of you stop the bigotry and just love your countrymen, if you see ghosts then it's probably because you have skeletons to get rid of. Get exorcised!

      Marius - 2012-02-22 11:37

      Themba, I fully agree, I have read comments from both sides of the spectrum here and views like yours and Vusi's and some others gives me hope for our country.

  • Andrew Worrall - 2012-02-22 09:52

    What a waste of time. In every country there is racism and popularists and stirrers. Stop being woeses and change your attitude to fight for unity in our beautiful country. Stop running and work together so we can kick Negativity in the mouth.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 09:56

      Kudo's Andrew. Well said.

      Lulama - 2012-02-22 10:21

      And this said without denying that farm murders are serious.

      Marius - 2012-02-22 11:38

      Andrew, ek stem saam, stop alle rassisme en werk saam.

  • Brad Frank - 2012-02-22 09:53

    ha ha, that Professor couldn't have said it better! classic!

      Garth - 2012-02-22 12:15

      You only think that because you are poorly educated and have below average intelligence.

  • dieanderou - 2012-02-22 09:53

    PLEASE let them stay there... I'm a Afrikaner and we really dont need people like that in South Africa... As Shame.

      JJ - 2012-02-22 10:16

      Thank you Dieanderou, i agree with you!

  • Juann Strauss - 2012-02-22 09:54

    From Mark Behr's wikipedia entry:"Undergoing a process of political radicalization himself, he later turned double agent and spied on the South African government on behalf of the African National Congress". No secret where his loyalties lie. read the whole thing here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Behr#Academic_Study_and_Political_Development

      greeff.kotze - 2012-02-22 10:30

      No, it just means that his "scholarly opinion" might be more of a political one, and he should rather be honest about that.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 10:37

      @greeff I can see what you are trying to say though I doubt this how the initial comment was intended, of course, I type under correction here. However, just because he's ANC affiliated does not for one second mean that he cannot give a scholarly opinion on the matter. As he put it, him and OTHER scholars have refused to give endorsement for something that cannot be substantiated. Furthermore, the quote at hand here just says Behr became a double spy, something he explained at a lecture in South Africa in 2000 I think, and thus we cannot draw the conclusion that he is indeed a currently active supporter of the ANC. Even then, your comment suggest the ANC's political is stance is anti-Afrikaner in itself as that is the only way it can be 'politically motivated'.

  • Schmee - 2012-02-22 09:54

    "In my scholarly opinion, there is absolutely no basis for their allegation, whatever evidence they may present." Okay Prof, so you are saying that no matter whether the evidence proves beyond doubt that they are victims of racism, you still won't take it into account? Not that I agree with their claim, but for a professor to say that he won't examine further evidence is quite ludicrous and I'm glad that you don't teach is SA with a closed minded attitude like that.

  • Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 09:57

    Another thing havent they heard that the US president is BLACK? someone should inform them,their "baas"mentality will not be taken to kindly there. Why not go to where all racist white south africans go? Australia the y would certainly have a better chance of getting assylum there.

      Gaynor Folgore - 2012-02-22 10:51

      Watching your comments over the last two days elle it seems that you and your racist comments don't belong in south africa. You seem to be the one that's all bitter and twisted get help darling. I'm not going to take part in this anymore I am rising above all this

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 11:03

      @ Gaynor are you stalking me?

      Marion - 2012-02-22 11:14

      Actually, the US president is of mixed bloodline, even if he decided to align himself as black just like the Tanzanian born Behr's aligned themselves 'Afrikaner' when they came to Nationalist Party run SA which favoured the Afrikaner.

      Marius - 2012-02-22 11:42

      Elle-black I have news for you. Obama is NOT black...he is a mixed breed, call it mixed race.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 12:15

      @ Marius believe me he's black,he's only mixed race when it suites certain people but on an average day he's black.Let me ask you this, if you had met him on the streets knowing nothing about him what would you refeer to him as? you would use the K word even if you found out he had a white mother you would still use the K word but because it suites your argument for the topic at hand you say he's mixed race come on

      Marion - 2012-02-22 12:24

      @Elle-Black... Obama chose to align himself with african americans, and therefore call himself black, as opposed to whites even though his mother and his maternal grandparents are white. You can argue till you are blue in the face. He is of mixed parentage.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 12:33

      Okay then Marion

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:22

      Elle-Black, I know parts of the U.S, where South African racism is childsplay. You won't last a day. So Obama is black. what's your point?. Let me tell you, there are so many black and coloured South Africans in Australia, you sometimes have to look for the white ones. You don't know what you are talking about.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:25

      Funny, I always think of Obama as a human being. I should really pay more attention to his colour in future.

  • Mzwakhe Mnguni - 2012-02-22 09:58

    wrong country. they should seek asylum in Holland

      siya.fuze - 2012-02-22 10:09

      Ya ne

      Thami Jeffrey - 2012-02-22 10:12

      Laughing for DAYYYSSSS!!!! LOL

      Zamakhathini Melusi - 2012-02-22 10:16

      Mentally ay angtoly

      Gavy Badiata - 2012-02-22 10:44

      Lol bloody agents

      Juann Strauss - 2012-02-22 11:38

      Bloody tendency agent bastad.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:34

      You in Zaire perhaps?.

      Lanfear - 2012-02-22 14:06

      Why? Thousands of Europeans that came to South Africa were not from the Netherlands [not Holland in English!] but from England, Britain, Italy, Sweden, Ireland and so forth. Most of them are not only from mixed European heritage but also have a good dollop of Khoi and even black African blood.

  • Gavin - 2012-02-22 09:59

    Non racial, democratic, post apartheid south africa - now there's an oxymoron if if ever I've heard one.

  • Leonard - 2012-02-22 10:00

    Now if the Prof is a white Afrikaner why o why is he there???...

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 10:06

      Who knows? Academics sit on their backsides and don't travel the world I'm guessing? *face palm*

      Zamakhathini Melusi - 2012-02-22 10:07

      Is he forced 2 b in SA? Cnt he make a living as an academic @ da US?

      Jeffrey Mangz Longwe - 2012-02-22 12:22

      @leonard u are a mampara

      Stefanus - 2012-02-22 13:27

      BECAUSE WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE IN THE USA. USA = 1ST WORLD COUNTRY SA = 3RD WORLD MAKE SENSE NOW?

  • Michelle - 2012-02-22 10:03

    obviously Mark Behr hasn't lived in South Africa for any period of time since 1994!

  • carolyn.dewrance - 2012-02-22 10:04

    A University of Memphis scholar has rejected requests by the "white Afrikaner farmers" to help them in their court application. "I am not interested in assisting Afrikaners claiming discrimination in a non-racial, democratic, post-apartheid South Africa," said Professor Mark Behr, who is also a white Afrikaner. "In my scholarly opinion, there is absolutely no basis for their allegation, whatever evidence they may present." So what the hell is he doing living in the United state. also ran away from South Africa.

  • Gert - 2012-02-22 10:07

    It always amazes me why one needs to have an attitude about something like this....if it's not who you are, just say so!!!!.... "Mark Behr is a Tanzanian writer in South Africa. He is currently professor of Creative Writing at Rhodes College, Memphis, TN. Behr was born into a family of farmers in the district of Oljorro, Arusha, Tanzania, then still Tanganyika. After the nationalization of white-owned farms during the implementation of President Julius Nyerere's Ujamaa Policy of African Socialism in 1964, the family immigrated to South Africa. Here the family defined themselves as Afrikaners, with the Behr children attending Afrikaans language schools and the conservative Dutch Reformed church. After matriculation like most other young white South African men of his age, conscripted into the South African Defense Force. After leaving the South African Defence Force, Behr attended Stellenbosch University in the Western-Cape Province of South Africa. While a student there, Behr became an agent for the South African apartheid government, which was committed to monitoring the activities of students on university campuses in order to prevent political insurrection. Undergoing a process of political radicalization himself, he later turned double agent and spied on the South African government on behalf of the African National Congress, one of the major anti-apartheid organizations (and, since the 1994 elections, the governing party of the new multiracial democracy). aka Wikiped

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 10:18

      Just like "Vusi"on this forum is actually Gert van vuuren in real life and he just made up the vusi profile to take the P$ss out of everyone here

  • DaKatzMudder - 2012-02-22 10:11

    Send Prof Mark Behr a link to "Diabled whites in for raw deal" - the multiple Bs and Es act, what a joke.

  • Keaobaka - 2012-02-22 10:11

    Most of the commenters on the News24 platform have got a racist rightwing agenda. Some are even openly racist. Our democratically government is trying to address inequalities caused by the legacy of apartheid and its precursor colonialism. This they have tried to do by introducing policies such as employement equity, BEE and land reform among others. Now some people with a racist agenda hellbend on maintaining the status quo of the apartheid era wants to label those programs and policies as racism in reverse. If you call well meaning programs such as land reform, Employment equity and BEE racism, programs that intend to do nothing but address the mess that race ideologists have caused, then I say you must look in the mirror and you will see the Real Racist. I am glad that a sensible and liberated "Afrikaner" has dismissed these obscene & outrageous claims by these "verkramde" bigots. The bigots will give my comment the thumbs down but I don't realy care about bigots.

      Yolandè Rwaai - 2012-02-22 10:46

      Ditto!

      Mercha - 2012-02-22 11:15

      Agree!!

      jowza1 - 2012-02-22 11:57

      well said keaobaka

      Garth - 2012-02-22 12:20

      CANNOT AGREE. Very simply put, you single out comments from `white people' and then label them. You are the racist and the bigot.

      Stefanus - 2012-02-22 13:29

      TRUE Keaobaka , RACIST UNDERTONES IN ALMOST EVERY COMMENT ON THIS SITE, THIS IS A PLATFORM FOR REPRESSED IMPOTENT RACISTS TO VENT IT SEEMS.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:30

      Well meaning programmes?. There are according to the government too many coloured people employed by Correctional services. They must make room for black people. How can this not be racist?. Don't stick your head in the sand bro', it will get up your nose.

  • siya.fuze - 2012-02-22 10:14

    Well the fact is, white people are the least affected by racism in South Africa. Mark Behr is entitled to his own opinion which is based on his observations, i assume.For all the people who use Malema as an example of a Black Racist, hes only one man in millions.

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:38

      Mark Behr, reminds me of the so called white concientious objectors who came overseas and expected us to take care of them. No way.

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-02-22 10:15

    lol...good luck...lol lol lol

  • juan.sander - 2012-02-22 10:20

    What a load of crap. Any white person whoe feels this way must just leave SA and never come back. I love SA and understand our history therefore i'm willing to compromise in order to achieve unity and restore balance, no matter what or how long it takes. We have it easy here don't kid yourselves. And yes, I am white.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 11:10

      @ Juan thank you so much for your rationale.

      Garth - 2012-02-22 12:28

      When you have to `compromise' with your life, or the life of a loved one, or see your loved ones repeatedly raped in front of you, you might fall off that high horse and WAKE THE F%$K UP!

      Jacqui - 2012-02-22 13:41

      Juan Sander, as long as you feel it is needed to add the colour of your skin, we are not one people yet. Heavens we are all South Africans. let's spread a little love here.

  • Werner Van Der Merwe - 2012-02-22 10:22

    Well, make your sums, 1.8 million whites out of 4.2 mil working, others are children, old people etc. EE and AA is applied againmst the minority? Only country in world do do it like that! There is pure discrimination for you. They can say what they want, it is reverse racism, yip thje wheal has tuned, but must remember one thing. In '92, it was also the whites that voted for change in referendum. While the ANC steals from the poor, blinding them with their promises.... I am also heading abroad. My children had nothing to do with apartheid. No way I am goin to allow them to be discriminated against for the colour of their skin. I was raised all is equally born. To target the minority for own gain??? There is alternative motives, hate, Not my fault what happened in past, neither my children. I will give them a future that this country can not give.

      Adam - 2012-02-22 10:27

      The problem is Usa and Europe are heading for worse times than S.A, so i dont think one is safe over their.

      Elle-Black - 2012-02-22 10:57

      @ Werner you had your chance to make tons of money under the apartheid government,what where you doing? and your sums? are crap,the percentage of black people who are unemplyoed is far higher,live in the now and try and get this YOU ARE NO LONGER ENTITLED TO THINGS BY VIRTUE OF YOUR SKIN COLOUR,get it? What i'm trying to explain to you is that you as a white person being unemployed is no worse than a black person being unemployed.

      Cosmic - 2012-02-22 11:49

      @Elle-Black Under the Upartheid Goverment you ask? Maybe Werner, like most of us, was still a child

      Aphiwe - 2012-02-22 14:31

      guys it was already said that South Africa was the only country where the minority (whites) actually oppressed the majority (erbody else) so please try to understand why application of EE, AA and Land Redistribution is also reverse. Otherwise if u have a genie nhe u cud make a wish that u (white ppl) are the ones that were oppressed n then you guys can keep EE and AA coz we wud have other things u c...

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-22 10:26

    Behr represents the Elite, having been born to a wealthy family and having been educated in the best schools etc, His opinion has no basis in reality or fact. It is easy for the rich to speak as "scholars" when their own South African experience is safety behind huge walls in elite suburbs being protected by armed response and police, Come Behr lets see how long you last living in the Albert park area of Durban or one of the Johannesburg slums. 40 000 whites killed since 1994 and counting, yea right we just made up the genocide and the reverse racism hey?

  • Jeffrey - 2012-02-22 10:28

    Farmer murder I think has something to do with revenge or avenge, of which I do not support. lets tracy if possible the history of any farmer murdered, one will realise that somewhere sometimes, the perpetraitor and the victim share history on parallel lines.

      Schmee - 2012-02-22 11:11

      Having known some farmers that have been attacked, I have to say I agree. Each one of the ones I know, was done by an employee that had been fired, for good reason, but who did not want to accept it. They then came back with other thugs to take revenge. If the professor was worth his salt then he would go about proving this point and finding a solution. It is not normal for disgruntled ex-employees to go to such lengths. Why are there so many that take revenge this way.

      Aphiwe - 2012-02-22 14:39

      So do u guys think that if the farmer was black the disgruntled employee would still come back and "avenge" himself for wat he feels is an unfair dismissal or whatever (genuinely just asking now). Oh but wait, then there's the problem of black ppl not having land tho... *sigh* anyway plz do answer the 1st part of ma question tho.

  • Michael Patron - 2012-02-22 10:29

    I would like to ask Mr. Behr why, if he feels South Africa is so fair to white Afrikaaners, he is living in the US? Is it because he feels he would be disadvantaged in SA? Perhaps he has access to the top education that South Africa cannot offer? Or maybe it's because he actually wants his family to be safe. I agree with other commentators that, if someone dislikes South Africa, they should leave. That is probably why he is in the US and making comments from afar.

      hilton.baartman - 2012-02-22 10:42

      And you know this how? Your making the classic mistake everyone makes in assuming if anyone leaves SA it must be because they don't want to live here. He's an academic. Academic's travel the world over. You are speculating at best here.

      Michael Patron - 2012-02-22 13:00

      I am definitely speculating as I don't know him personally. However, the fact that the article stated that he is "living" in the US and not "visiting" seemed to indicate that he has chosen Memphis and the University because it offers him something that he cannot get I'm SA.

  • vlarismam - 2012-02-22 10:31

    Ja well no fine! Of course Prof wouldn't want to upset the (smell of) apple cart and actually sympathise and/or help his ex countrymen. His new countrymen would ostracise him and he'd have to find a new country to run to - won't be easy since he's famous... Don't worry Prof, South Africa will take you back, no worries!