Aids slowed by reed dance: Buthelezi

2011-09-24 19:02

Johannesburg - The advance of the Aids pandemic has been slowed by the re-instatement of the annual reed dance, Inkatha Freedom Party leader Mangosuthu Buthelezi said on Saturday.

"I firmly believe that the rampant spread of HIV/Aids has been slowed by the re-introduction of the reed dance. I applaud His Majesty our king for championing this fight," Buthelezi said in KwaDukuza in KwaZulu-Natal.

"We realise that in spite of more available treatment that the incidence of HIV and Aids has not lessened. It is possibly one of the greatest challenges of our times under the reign of our present king," he said.

Buthelezi was speaking at the annual King Shaka Day celebrations.

The annual festival sees maidens presenting a reed - symbolising their purity - to the king.

"We owe our King [Goodwill Zwelithini] a debt of gratitude... We remember our past, and look to our future, knowing that the two are linked through this symbol of our unity."

  • leonard - 2011-09-24 19:11

    OMG I have read some bullsh#t in my time but this takes the cake.If Mr,B had even two brain cells linked together,he would not have made this comment.Wonder what the aids prevention folk will make of this,my guess,about 15 years of hard work down the drain.

      Amanzimtoti - 2011-09-24 19:32

      congratulations... the zulu kingdom has finally done something worthwhile for humanity... maybe by the year 3000 they'll invent the wheel or electricity... bunch of morons

      POLLENYS - 2011-09-24 20:23

      Sure. And if you put your bed on four paint tins the tokoloshe can't get to you when you sleep.

      Gary - 2011-09-24 20:40

      I think he means guys are wacking off more because of the dance.

      Shaman Pete - 2011-09-24 20:45

      I'm all for tradition and instilling moral virtue; but this tradition is deeply chauvinistic and the interpretation of its benefit in stemming HIV, overly simplistic. The focus on women is to some extent misplaced. There is something seriously f*d up in the SA male psyche - just look at the mind-boggling rape stats, not to mention the disturbing example set by our Dear Leaders with regard to their libidinous proclivities.

      Azazel - 2011-09-24 20:56

      Come on people, it's just 1 of those political must be....oh please...god let it be :/ embarrassing....

      Aquilani - 2011-09-24 21:13

      Amanzimtoti - good comment. Let us have history repeat itself and watch an extremist African leader fail it's people and government. Again. and. Again.

      Jillian - 2011-09-25 00:06

      I think he is referring to the "purity" aspect of the dance, i.e. that these girls will be advocating virginity (no sex before marriage).

      nic - 2011-09-25 10:57

      Is he senile?? This is border line neanderthal mentality. Complete and utter moron.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:15

      Do you guys know what the reed dance entails, it is young girls dancing, promoting virginity. Meaning no sex before mairage. Damn dudes, you are really really ignorant and you not even hiding it anymore

      TypicalDarkie - 2011-09-25 13:53

      THANK YOU!!!! Johannes Viljoen, it is not the dance itself that he is talking about, it is the occasion and what it stands for what it is promoting, abstinence, purity before marriage, it is every Zulu girls pride to be married a virgin, KZN is one of the provinces with the highest HIV infection rate, and by promoting abstinence he is saying they are trying to curb the increase in infection especially amongst youth girls

      Anton - 2011-09-25 14:28

      This reminds me of the mother who gave her daughter a disprin, telling her it would prevent her from becoming pregnant. The daughter; "but mum, I don't understand" Mother: "Just keep this tablet between your knees!!!!! "

      AJ2 - 2011-09-26 04:27

      A lot of you are (intentionally?) missing the point here. Any resurrection of a tradition that puts the focus on not being promiscuous is to be applauded, especially in KZN where HIV is prevalent. Using tradition to bring this message to the girls partaking (and the boys watching) is clever. Come on people...

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-26 08:47

      Hahaha that why Africa has such a high rate of AIDS infections....the leaders are idiots!!

      BOER - 2011-09-28 20:43

      What an idiot, only they can come up with crap like this.

  • Softy - 2011-09-24 19:12

    Another witchdoctor......

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-24 20:02

      This "ACT" is so FAAARKING PRIMITIVE!!!!! Could you see YOUR DARLING DAUGHTER... getting "OFFERED" to a "STIN-king" king as one of his concubines???? Nah... didn't think so!

  • corro51 - 2011-09-24 19:18

    And to think that all this time we have been wasting money on ARV drugs ! Don't know why he didn't say anything sooner.

      Liberty - 2011-09-25 04:16

      Yeah the reed dance is actually a much better idea. Stuff ARV's etc. The reed dance will help curb the over population in this country.

  • Bewildered - 2011-09-24 19:21

    whufu?? I'd like to see statistics, he can't make statements like that!! It is as bad as saying its ok to have intercourse (or rape) with someone with HIV but taking a shower after will prevent the transfer of the disease!

      EqualStand.Org - 2011-09-24 21:00

      Careful what you say; this guys way ahead of us. He saw how ZOOMA managed to become president by acting dumb. He saw how much money JUJU amassed by acting dumb. He's just building support for the next election.

  • darkwing - 2011-09-24 19:22

    You're not reading properly. This ceremony brings young people back to their roots, which focused on purity. It doesn't claim to cure AIDS. Maybe more cultures should heed this and bring their young folk back to the basic morals of the culture.

      tootingdel - 2011-09-24 19:37

      I agree we need to instill better behaviour into our youth but enslaving women into this kind of tradition and parading them infront of men for men's perverse pleasure cannot be right. No where in this do they talk of men being responsible for their sexual activity. Africa must get away from its patriachial beliefs and ensure that men and women are accepted equally. This entrenched idea that women are only there to serve men - as their house 'slaves' or sexual 'slaves' MUST be confined to the dustbin of history - and we must stop allowing it to continue to happen by using the cultural traditions tag. Slavery was a cultural tradition; racial supremacy amongst western socities was a cultural tradition - these are equally unacceptable and there is no way, I would suggest, that the commentator would welcome their re-introduction even if they could be proved to have some 'beneficial' effect in any way on society's moral behaviour. The reed dance is similar to that way of thinking.

      leonard - 2011-09-24 19:37

      @darkwing...Sorry to say this but you seem to be as backward as your leader.Kids and teenagers and young adults WILL NOT look to their ancestors etc before screwing.Get real,we have a crisis in this country.AH

      darkwing - 2011-09-24 19:44

      Leonard, the only backward people I see are people who feel the need to insult other people to cover their own fear.

      infijar.ken - 2011-09-24 19:47

      Yes mate, if life were so simple. If ALL Zulu women went through this ceremony before marriage, it would be fabulous. However, lets look at the cons. Rapists looking for women who are "Pure" will be "outed!" Witchdoctors will have a ready supply of victims for AIDS cures. Pros, well Husbands will not be able to blame their wives when they contract HIV!!!! Darkwing I, like you, wish life were so simple.

      Dave - 2011-09-24 19:53

      darkwing, you are just as big an idiot as buthelezi for making his statement.

      leonard - 2011-09-24 19:55

      @darkwing.... The only fear I have are the repercussions of the most outlandish drivel I have EVER read(next to Zuma`s shower story)on or about aids in the last 20 years.Witchcraft or cultural beliefs DO NOT cure aids.Modern medicine is the answer.

      leonard - 2011-09-24 22:52

      @darkwing...... the only thing I fear are the repercussions of inane drivel per your comment.Culture or whatever you want to call it will not stop or cure aids,modern medicine is the answer.

      leonard - 2011-09-25 00:30

      @darkwing...... Went back for another look at the lead article.You my friend have actually misread and given your interpretation to the gist of the article.Mr B very clearly states that the reed dance has/will slow the advance of aids.Purity is a catch word with no real significance in this context.

      Phoysa - 2011-09-25 06:18

      get to understand the Zulu Custom, and the meanning/saying of this right, this is AFRICA !!!!!

  • Tuinman - 2011-09-24 19:24

    Hahaha!! Some people in this country are truly still living in the stone age...

      Worldwise - 2011-09-24 20:55

      Early iron age to be exact. Yet to invent the wheel, mathematics, writing, counting above "many", astronomy and a host of others.

      gksa - 2011-09-25 09:41

      Well, European contact kinda denied them the opportunity to do so, so it might be time to stop acting like they would never have done so. Invention is driven by necessity. Perhaps we should consider the possibility that one could have had a pretty good life without the technological advancement of Europe (which, in many cases, first came about through finding better ways to wage war). ;-)

  • burtfred - 2011-09-24 19:29

    Our majestic king who has a rugby team of wives is now spearheading the fight against AIDS. This country really is f****d

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-24 20:04

      Not to forget the MILLIONS he gets for FREE from the Govt, every year, to COMPETE with MSWATI, in Swaziland!

  • gj123 - 2011-09-24 19:33

    so why waste money on arv's, let them just dance

      Shivaskar - 2011-09-24 19:43

      Play some Craig David, 'Let's dance' while they at it: (Let's dance) get on the floor no need to hold back Sexy thong, mini-skirt, stilettos on, shakin' all that (let's dance) What you doin' to me girl I can't hold back Some hot stuff is all that I need So why we waitin' (let's dance)

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-09-24 19:43

    Boet-your-Lazy, is Aids slowed BEFORE or AFTER the reed dance? pls enlighten us further, with your brightness.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-09-24 19:49

    Comment show people are not reading properly. What he is saying is that the youngsters can't present a reed if not pure. Ie no sex. However...what about the ones that are lying? And why is the onus on the maidens? What about the men? Nothing wrong with the culture but how about updating it to not be so chauvinistic? The young men should also be encouraged to stay pure.

  • nvl - 2011-09-24 19:50

    Strangely enough but he actually makes sense, to be in the reed dance you have to be a.. virgin.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-24 20:05

      Definition of a VIRGIN? The ugliest little girl in Grade 7

      grant9 - 2011-09-24 22:31

      Definition of a Zulu virgin : A girl who can run faster than her uncle.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-25 08:08

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Classic grant9!

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:18

      AMS - Dammer dude jys dom! GAn kryp in jou voortrekker pakkie weg en sit vrees vir die swart gevaar terwyl die res van SA anbeweeg met hul lewens SA dnt need the likes of u

      KanaMay - 2011-09-25 15:05

      There are many young wives who wonder why they (& their husbands) are getting sick (not necessarily HIV / Aids but many other ST infections) after they've been pure until marriage and faithful after marriage. What is needed is a new tradition to make the MEN behave themselves, not screwing around just because their wives have become boring or unsatisfactory to them.

  • Dave - 2011-09-24 19:50

    Another inept polician opens his mouth. Surely this is criminal negligence

      darkwing - 2011-09-24 20:01

      Dave, you are one angry man.

      Dave - 2011-09-24 20:51

      incompetence makes me angry, and if you cant see the ddanger posed by statements like this then sorry for u

  • Zion - 2011-09-24 19:51

    This man is highly educated yet all he has now done is substitute a reed dance for garlic, African potatoes, beetroot and "ver piss"herbs. The nation is dying yet those that have the power to end this Aids cleansing are digging up and relying on superstitions.

  • TrippiZee - 2011-09-24 20:04

    I firmly believe that they have less brains than a peanut

      Nico - 2011-09-24 20:33

      @TrippiZee.... please don't insult a peanut.

  • darkwing - 2011-09-24 20:35

    I have now been called an idiot and backward and god knows what else. People, it's about the behaviour of people, not a scientific cure. What is wrong with trying to change young people's behaviour? We are going to carry this burden on our taxpayer shoulders for many years to come. Maybe culture also has a role to play along with education, ARVs etc. I would also like to know how you are going to change cultures quickly, unless by force? I am glad I never had to do the reed dance, but if that is the culture, how am I going to change it?

      Dave - 2011-09-24 20:54

      darkwing thats not the point. the uneducated people in the townships will look at these statements and think that doing a reed dance will cure them of aids. how many rapes are commited in the townships already becaause people believe that having sex with a virgin cures aids. The statement is irresponsible

      cilliersdupreez - 2011-09-24 21:04

      Darkwing, I think the problem started the way the media presented it. "Shower and you wont get aids" is what the people heard from the media, but Zuma said "I took a shower" "Dance the reed dance and aids will slow" is the message that comes across from the media, but in fact Buthelezi most probably meant "Abstain from sex", which is by far the best way of preventing HIV/AIDS. The reed dance signifies abstinance, I assume. (just my 2c comment)

      Lizann - 2011-09-24 22:30

      cilliersdupreez is right - there is no suggestion in the article that the "Reed Dance cures AIDS." Having actually attended a reed dance - a lot of attention is paid in the speeches to the importance of young people taking responsibility for their behaviour as a means of preventing the spread of HIV AIDS. Thousands of young women come from all over KZN and other provinces and it has provided a very useful platform for disseminating information about AIDS. For those who choose to participate - it is actually a dignified and happy cultural event. For many others it is contraversial because of its links with entrenched patriarchy and the subservient role of women so there aremany others that stay away. darkwings' points have been well made - it is a sad reflection of our society that so many responses have actually been so abusive and derogatory rather than dealing with the issues.

      moiraine - 2011-09-24 22:46

      Considering you have to be a virgin to dance in the reed dance they are unlikely to get aids. It is about keeping a girl pure until she gets married. It is not impossible that it does reduce HIV infection, certainly a lot more than having a shower. Personally,we might have our views about other cultures, but it is not for us to change them, particularly with something that is not physically harming people. I do understand the issues people have with womens rights etc, but nobody forces these girls to participate.

      tootingdel - 2011-09-24 23:06

      We cannot allow things to continue just because they have been considered culture activities in the past. Human sacrifice used to happen as a cultural tradition - do you believe that that is right? It was wrong and went. Slavery was a cultural tradition - it was wrong and it went. The reed dance is about making women conform to the perveted thoughts of men who want to enslave women and think of them as their goods - hence they want to 'buy' them (lobola) like a new car rather than having them pre-used. Sexual behaviour should be free for both sexes. What is important is to educate people about sexual behaviour - making sure that each party is an equal in the relationship and ensure that proper protection is used. This will cut down diseases such as AIDs and as well as prevent unwanted births and the unnecesssary burden these place on poor people and society in general. The reed dance doesn't have a place in a modern civilised world - just like slavery, human sacrifice and racial segregation. It has to go and no attempts to keep it in place by saying it helps reduce disease - even if true - makes it right.

  • twinkles - 2011-09-24 20:49

    As long as they are all virgins its good! And as long as the king doesnt get to choose another one please!

  • alv1990 - 2011-09-24 20:49

    OMG what next...this is sooooo typical of kay it out!!!

  • spd123 - 2011-09-24 21:02

    First it was beetroot and garlic and when that did not they come up with this cr#p!!!

  • aryantoo - 2011-09-24 21:04

    What was he smoking ?

  • Alyson - 2011-09-24 21:07

    WTF do the two have to do with each other???? HIV/Aids and the virgins from the reed dance. I'm not making the connection.Please can someone explain this to me. Slowly please cos I must be stupid that I'm just not getting it !!!!!!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2011-09-25 23:39

      Ai, Alyson. Read the first twenty comments. You will get the gist of it.

  • mabsie - 2011-09-24 21:08

    No Mr Buthelezi, this will not halt AIDs. Morals, faithfulness, condoms, finishing eucation, remove pressure on young woman to prove their fertility, stop "virgin rape" to cure AIDS etc etc etc. You have a very long way to go before you even touch the tip of the ice berg.

  • Blip - 2011-09-24 21:10

    Buthelezi's not claiming it's the DANCE that stops HIV, but that it's the chastity (which is a prerequisite for participation) that does the trick. But he's naive to imagine a Zulu girl will tell a lover "no, I can't have sex with you because I want to do the reed-dance more". If he truly believes that nonsense he's like the other Zulu dullard, Zuma, who thinks a post-coital shower washes away contagion.

      KanaMay - 2011-09-25 15:03

      There are many young wives who wonder why they (& their husbands) are getting sick (not necessarily HIV / Aids but many other ST infections) after they've been pure until marriage and faithful after marriage. What is needed is a new tradition to make the MEN behave themselves, not screwing around just because their wives have become boring or unsatisfactory to them.

  • chris.khanye - 2011-09-24 21:32

    I know Chief Buthelezi is very sick, but I didn't know to which extent. But now I know - he's deranged.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-24 21:43

    3rd world comment on a modern day problem. absolutely bS

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:29

      3rd world? But yet you dwell among the 3rd world dudes, dudes of which do not really need you to be here as you mean nothing to them. Dude wake up you here!!! If you so gatvol pack your bags and fly

  • Hamz06 - 2011-09-24 21:50

    Garlic, African potato, beetroot,cold shower and a reed dance! looks like they have it sorted!! Who needs ARV's. lol

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-25 08:10


  • chris.khanye - 2011-09-24 21:54

    Have you ever seen cattle on auction jostling to be in front? To me the reed dance is just another annual auction promoting steriotypes in the name of culture. And now parading naked girls are a cure for Aids? And some morons will literally read into Chief Buthelezi's statement. See - even those who claim to be custodians of the auction (reed dance) don't know its purpose and are simply clutching at straws. What's the difference between the reed dance and Teazers?

  • Schalk - 2011-09-24 22:01

    Guys, some of you are deliberately misinterpreting the IFP leader's comments. Misunderstanding and then Insulting the man for his comments reflects your inability to grasp the message. Although I too don’t agree with young girls being paraded in this manner, I have to agree that less promiscuity will help against the spread of Aids.

      tootingdel - 2011-09-24 23:12

      But what about making sure young men don't have sex and hold onto their chastity? Why is it always about women being virgins and not men? Why isn't there a reed dance for men? My problem with the reed dance and all that goes with it, as I have strongly stated here, is that it is really all about the role of women in society. How they are treated like goods and chattels - and displayed before perverted old men. It's disgusting and it should not be defended in any way. We must get away from these unequal approaches to male and female sexuality.

      leonard - 2011-09-24 23:21

      @Schalk.....My friend,let me repeat again,if so called intelligent people on this forum have as you say misinterpreted what Mr B has said,can you imagine how simple rural and urban semi literate folk will interpret what has been said.The fallout from Mr shower is still being felt long after the event.I can but repeat what I said before,pure drivel that sets back the fight against aids by at least 15 years.

      Worldwise - 2011-09-25 09:41

      @Schalk. A reed dance is going to stop promiscuity? Why don't the men have a reed dance to show their virginity? At what age did you lose your virginity? See? Its not that simple when the reproductive hormones are coursing through your bloodstream.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:20

      Schalk dude dnt argue with fools

      Embee - 2011-09-25 15:50

      @Schalk: what you say is correct...nice comment! Pity others fail to understand. @tootingdel: you are right too. Unfortunately the culture is still male-dominated. However, if we can all start encouraging this kind of behaviour (abstinence) amongst ALL our childern, then there is the possibility of a decline in HIV/AIDS. @leonard: i assume you consider yourself one of the "intelligent" in here. However, you yourself appear to have missed the point of the article. Considering you were the first to comment on the article...perhaps you read it too quickly, had a knee-jerk reaction and posted before fully comprehending the story. Now that people are enlightening you with the facts, you are unfortunately too deep in what you have said already that you are attempting to justify your words with more worthless rhetoric. @WorldWise: a similar comment that i gave to tootingdel above...with something else for you. I myself (a male) "gave" my virginity to my wife when we got married at 26. Self control is really not that hard! But it's a lot easier to give in to desire than to walk away from temptation. Fortunately we (my wife and I) were able to hold onto our beliefs for each other. @everyone: News 24 is only out to "papers". Headlines are 99% sensational to get you to read the article. So, try do that next time...READ with the intention of understanding, and not for the sake of loading your blinkered "guns"

  • Schalk - 2011-09-24 22:08

    What Chief Buthelezi is saying is that, the more young women hold on to their chastity, the less infections are likely. It is that simple really. Not that it is a great revelation or anything but it needs to be encouraged, dont you think!?

      Bianca - 2012-01-23 11:08

      Men may want to marry a virgin but it won't stop them screwing a bunch of dirty slags before and even after - good for the goose, good for the gander buddy!

  • Jan Groenewald - 2011-09-24 22:09

    Ok Sipo, for R1 mil of taxpayers money can you answer this one question. How does one get rid of aids in Africa..... ish ekke ken hom ekke ken hom dai deng. Hy es die showor en gjy mak hom die dans. Dan daari vires hy es tru.

      leonard - 2011-09-24 23:25

      @Jan....A laugh at last in this very sad saga.Unfortunately not put in the most elegant way but so true.See my reply to Schalk.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:22

      Jan ai Jan, jy was nie jou ma se slimste kint nie neh, shame dit moet sleg wees om elke dag in die spieel te kyk en nog net 'n d@@s te sien, ma ai ja jy sal nie kla nie, want dis die naaste wat jy aan een sal kom

      cookEmonster - 2011-09-26 09:46

      Johannes, ai Johannes, DUDE dis nou al die tweede keer dat jy iemand dom noem, maar die vader weet, jou spelling laat veel te wense oor - in Afrikaans en in Engels.

  • Carolyn - 2011-09-25 09:29

    This is the b iggest crap I have ever read. Reed dance my ass.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:27

      What you read and what you know is worlds apart, so I agree everything you read is crap, bcoz thats all you understand dude

  • stephen.cole1 - 2011-09-25 10:32

    Are we living on the same planet ? ?

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 11:26

      The msg here: The girls remain virgins till they married, so tell me how does ABSTINENCE not help to at least help to stabilise AIDS?

      leonard - 2011-09-25 11:53

      @stephen....Hope you don`t mind,this is for Johannes Viljoen.You are obnoxious and very rude,obviously not as your name would lead us to believe a white Afrikaaner,so who or what are you DUDE.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 12:05

      Leonard I am everything you will never even come close to being

      leonard - 2011-09-25 12:34

      @Johannes Viljoen.......Your answer is meaningless,inane and without any substance.

      leonard - 2011-09-25 12:36

      @Johannes.......Your infantile exchange with Tamara was the giveaway by the way.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 13:14

      Leonard dude, u lonely neh? AAA dude you dnt have a gf thats y u like this auwh u must be still a virgin as well ai dude

      leonard - 2011-09-25 13:26

      @Johannes.....This exchange is now CLOSED.

      Johannes Viljoen - 2011-09-25 13:36

      Auwh dude, maybe you should join the reed dance, it is for you virgins hey

      Embee - 2011-09-25 15:35

      @Johannes - good work fella! Nice to see that somebody else actually tries to get the full picture behind the article (something that N24 should have done up front) before posting stupid comments. Everything you say is true...and it's quite clear that those who don't understand what you are saying have no freakin clue! Those that can't understand that abstinence = no sex before marriage = no multiple partners = decreased chance of contracting STDs = decline in AIDS, are just looking for excuses to continue playing russian roulette with their lives (and others'.

  • Buffalo - 2011-09-25 12:30

    What you smoking Gatsha?

  • wasp - 2011-09-25 14:29

    ****************************************** NOTE: The ‘Reed Dance’ is for promoting, abstinence and promote purity before marriage. Not to say that the effort doesn’t help, the infection rate of young people age group 1yr. to 19yr. are less than 3% the biggest problem area is in the 30yr. to 35yr. age group with a infection rate of around 26%, so if you fall within this group maybe the ‘Reed Dance’ wouldn’t be such a bad Idea. ******************************************

      KanaMay - 2011-09-25 15:10

      Pure girls will only be protected if the men around them agree to behave around her, and it will not work once they are married. There are many young wives who wonder why they (& their husbands) are getting sick (not necessarily HIV / Aids but many other ST infections) after they've been pure until marriage and faithful after marriage. What is needed is a new tradition to make the MEN behave themselves, not screwing around just because their wives have become boring or unsatisfactory to them.

  • Embee - 2011-09-25 15:24

    Oh my word people...let's all take our heads out of our arses (especially us whiteys on this one) and try to understand the article before giving stupid comment. This is not about the dance being "magical" in any is about the message of abstinence...something that (i am assuming) a LOT, if not majority, of the commentators on this thread do/did not practice. If we all taught and practiced abstinence, obviously the incidence of AIDS would decrease. Common sense! AIDS is NOT a black's the disease of the stupid and immoral. Unfortunately we have an overabundance of STUPID and IMMORAL in SA (and the rest of the world). There is also an unfortunate incidence of colatteral damage (i.e. the lady who is raped by an HIV + person...or the spouse who's cheating partner passed it on to them). My heart goes out to these sufferers, but i have no time for the STUPID and IMMORAL! P.S. Hats off to News 24 for once again "selling" a sensational headline to stir the pot. Here's an idea...maybe have a reporter try encourage some helpful conversation by explaining the ritual in the article. But wait...that doesn't sell does it...and it's all about the money, right?

  • Derrick - 2011-09-25 15:44

    WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Oh wait, why i'm i laughing. These are our leaders, this isn't funny anymore!

      Embee - 2011-09-25 15:56

      Try reading some comments before commenting on the story...maybe then you won't jump to conclusions about what is being said. But, because i really doubt you will do it is in a nutshell: Reed Dance = Dance to promote abstinence. Absitience = no sex before marriage = no multiple partners = reduced (if not eliminated) risk of STDs = reduction in AIDS. Understand?

  • Adellie Havinga - 2011-09-25 21:15

    Embee this is for you Now the points you should take from this: 1. Girls as young as 10 take part ( furthermore 10 year olds should be abstinent- not just because of a dance but because they are children). 2. Only virginal girls take part, the spectators don't vow to abstain. 3.HIV is the precursor to Aids ...( I suggest you try and figure the rest of this statement out for yourself). 4. It is completely irresponsible for a leader to make a statement like that without scientific inference. Ie how would he know without considering other possibilities? Something something ART's??? 5. The article is bias, that is true. Unfortunately now matter what the reed dance represents, it is not a factor I would consider. 6. Aids is a concern for everyone in Africa - black and white. Don't be so precious, it's a debate.

      leonard - 2011-09-25 22:33

      @Adellie......Well put on all your points.These cretins think that they have all the answers,truth be told,it is precisely because of their attitude that this country is in a downward spiral to nowhere.Johannes or what ever the hell his real name is,epitomises all that is wrong.The same applies to Embee.Blacks masquerading as whites is just not on.They should be proud of who they are which they obviously are not.I now await a barrage of attack from both these cretins trying to justify why they are right.

  • AJ2 - 2011-09-26 04:28

    A lot of you are (intentionally?) missing the point here. Any resurrection of a tradition that puts the focus on not being promiscuous is to be applauded, especially in KZN where HIV is prevalent. Using tradition to bring this message to the girls partaking (and the boys watching) is clever. Come on people...

      Adellie Havinga - 2011-09-26 04:48

      No one is debating that. But the reed dance has no influence in the spread of Aids, which is the crutch of the argument. It's a cultural institution, not an explanatory factor. This is about the statement made by mr B. Not the dance, the unproven statement.

      AJ2 - 2011-09-26 13:19

      @Adellie, I beg to differ, a lot of commentators here have spectatcularly missed the whole point and jumped on the article as a means to critizise. There are more than enough examples of 'leaders' making piss poor decisions in SA, we dont need to also leap on one of the few examples where something is positive or has been done correctly. Mr B is absolutely correct....

  • Ex Employer - 2011-09-26 05:06

    So the Zulus calls it the "Reed Dance. The Westerners calls it "Promise Rings", "Virginity Pledges", "Purity Balls" or whatever... A reed, ring or ball is not going to stop aids. It the chastity aspect of it. If abstaining from sex is not going to help curb Aids, what will? Or do 90% of you believe in "wind bestuiwing"

      AJ2 - 2011-09-26 13:21

      The Reed Dance is largely about abstinence, so fostering an attitude of abstinence is going to help stop the spread of Aids........actually..

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  • ratex - 2011-09-26 09:24

    Well the only sure way to cure AIDS, South African style is to make sure that you are banging a 12 year old while eating beetroot and having a shower. I mean let’s face it, according to our esteemed leaders, this is the only way. My shattered nerves, you lot are a bunch of retards, actually no, I am insulting retards.Retards have intelligence, you lot are more like amoebae

  • Bloodstone - 2011-09-26 10:37

    What? And I suppose by playing monopoly will make my car go faster.

  • Adellie Havinga - 2011-09-27 01:08

    This is not about curing AIDS, it's about slowing down the spread of AIDS (actually HIV leading to AIDS). Mr B claims it's thanks to the Reed dance. Never mind the introduction of better access to ART's and sex education. The reed dance is a lovely sentiment, but be rational, these girls are not promising to abstain for life.

  • David - 2011-09-28 05:25

    What we are finding is that young ladies are having anal sex to protect their virginity...keep the tribe happy while keeping the boyfriend/s happy. Reality is that while I support Culture in many instances, I fail to see how this is going to do anything to slow down HIV transmission, other than they won't be having sex while they are dancing. We work on the coal face of HIV in SA and until we can address the age old manipulation between men and women, our efforts are for naught. Men use money to manipulate women and women use sex to manipulate men. Our conversations with both sexes, especially the youth, point to the fact that so much transactional sex is taking place that prevention is falling flat on its face. The Ladies want ‘stuff’ and the men want sex. David Patient- HIV+ 28 years plus

  • Bianca - 2012-01-23 11:00

    There is good and bad to this practice. Yes it may well advocate chastity but why should girls only have to prove their purity, what about their male counterparts? It objectifies women. Imagine putting your half naked virgin daughter up on a stage in attempt to get her screwed by the king. Yay! Great prize!!

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