Alcohol crackdown - harsh proposals

2011-03-17 21:08

Durban - Delegates attending the 2nd biennial substance abuse summit on Thursday proposed harsh liquor policies which will put the squeeze on alcohol consumers, advertisers and people who sell alcohol, the national department of social development said.

The proposals included "increasing the criminal and administrative liability of individuals and institutions, bars, clubs, taverns, shebeens and restaurants that sell alcohol to underage drinkers, intoxicated patrons and patrons who they know are to operate motor vehicles," the department said in a statement.

Another proposal of the conference was to ban all sponsorships by the alcohol industry for sports.

President Jacob Zuma delivered the keynote address during the first day of the two day summit held at the Inkosi Albert Luthuli ICC in Durban.

The conference was attended by more than 600 delegates from government, community base organisation, non-government traditional leaders, liquor industry and community policing forums.

During the conference it was proposed that the legal age for purchasing alcohol be raised from 18 to 21.

The summit also suggested that the current legal alcohol limit for drivers should be further reduced to discourage drinking and driving.

Delegates at the summit suggested that public service should also set an example by ensuring that all public service functions were alcohol free.

Another proposal was to impose restrictions on the time and days of the week that alcohol could be legally sold.

  • Dean - 2011-03-17 21:35

    dt sommer n pot k@k man!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Wimmas - 2011-03-18 08:01

      Kom on toast daai comment met n bier of twee!

      George - 2011-09-06 05:42

      Prohibition did not work in the US

  • POLLENYS - 2011-03-17 21:35

    Will this stop Malema's crowd of frying Boerewors in Chivas Regal?

  • gemini76 - 2011-03-17 21:45

    "Another proposal of the conference was to ban all sponsorships by the alcohol industry for sports". This is a great idea. Then those FAT cat sportsmen will not get the fat salaries they get now and maybe start to play better.

      agagiano - 2011-03-18 12:38

      and there will be less sport for you to watch stupid...use your head

  • Chaos - 2011-03-17 21:51

    Now the delagates are having a conferance afterparty... I doubt it's very dry there

      agurkie - 2011-09-05 23:33

      good observation.

  • Kobus - 2011-03-17 21:52

    More rules that cannot be enforced, just creating more 'criminals'.. So I drink my one beer and I'm rated with the guy that had half a bottle of brandy...

      soutie76 - 2011-03-18 00:13

      Perfect example Kobus! It doesn't seem to matter whether you've shared a couple of bottles of wine with friends at a restaurant or downed a bottle of vodka single handedly in the eyes of the law. Stopping people at random roadblocks rather than actually stopping people who are driving like maniacs makes little sense and probably destroys more productive lives than it saves. If the police actually started adopting this attitude, it would be interesting to see the percentage of reckless drivers who are actually over the limit when stopped. I've seen plenty of sober (I think) people on the roads who are far more dangerous than many of my mates who have had a six pack of Castle over the course of an afternoon's braai... If the police had the inclination or the resources to check an individual's actual ability to control their car when they've registered over the limit this would ensure only the guilty were punished and then as far as I'm concerned you could lock them up and throw away the key.

      Ryanbrew - 2011-03-18 10:57

      @soutie, how do you propose to "check" an individuals ability to drive, that sets a fair precedent that can be enforced in a court of law. If we "check" each persons ability and rate them individually it becomes very subjective and will never stand in a court of law. We need to have a set limit for alcohol use, it is the same in all major countries of the world, Roadblocks are also used all over the world to catch people (I went through one in Canada, and 2 in the States). Remember that the more alcohol you have in system will result in higher fines, so while you may be "legally" drunk for having your 1 whiskey, your fine will not come close to the fines or prison sentences of those who have had a bottle of whiskey/vodka!

  • mariomobster - 2011-03-17 21:56

    Good idea!! "rushes off to stock up his after hour, illegal shebeen"

  • Muzdog27 - 2011-03-17 21:56

    raise age from 18 to 21!!?? pah! People will just get pissed before they go out then and arrive even more pissed cuz they've had all their drinks in 1 hour pre-drinks rather than evenly throughout the night!

      U1 - 2011-03-18 07:12

      You can vote, have babies, have an abortion, but BOET, let me catch you drink, then you are in big k&k! Just now they will have a tax on happy people as well. Smile tax!!

      ludlowdj - 2011-03-18 07:26

      Unfortunately our kids especially are already doing this. Bottom line I think is that you are now being told to control your kids because if you don't the Government would be more than happy to do so.

  • Radrodent - 2011-03-17 22:21

    So if I go to a restaurant I am expected to forfeit my glass of wine that I drink when having my meal because I will be over the legal limit to drive. Yo...ANC...Eat my shit. I will now have 3.

      Janine - 2011-03-18 12:48

      Very mature response.

      Janine - 2011-03-18 12:48

      Please note sarcasm.

  • BigMoose - 2011-03-17 22:40

    This will go down well with the ANC supporters, especially Jackson Mthembu.

  • ockert.kruger - 2011-03-17 22:41

    Seems like phone a meal may become popular (Dial a resturant). Not your ordinary Pizza delivery. First your menu gets delivered, then your glass ot bottle of wine... then your starter with another bottle of wine.. and so forth.. in the end the wiater drives home.. totally sober.

      liesl - 2011-03-18 08:51

      You know what, that sounds like a great business idea ... :) Dial a restaurant ... they bring the white tablecloth, the flowers and candles, waiters, soft music playing in the background, the whole shebang. Awesome.

  • Jeff - 2011-03-17 23:08

    The easiest rule: 0% alcohol when you drive. Applied successfully in several countries.

      soutie76 - 2011-03-18 00:19

      Yes, applied in countries with first-class, safe public transport and where roads are as busy at 2 AM as they are in the afternoon rush-hour. Also where pedestrians crowd the streets at all hours - at least in SA we are lucky that crime means our streets are empty after midnight!

      smuller - 2011-03-18 08:01

      It's called getting a designated driver. In the UK you take turns to have a drink. Is it impossible for people to have a good time without alcohol being involved?

      smuller - 2011-03-18 08:06

      It's called getting a designated driver. In the UK you take turns to have a drink. Is it impossible for people to have a good time without alcohol being involved?

      barrie.muchinaeng - 2011-03-18 11:22

      Agrees with Jeff and smuller. Us lads over here in England, we go out 1 to 2 nights every week, and we have a designated driver, we all take it in turns. We know if we get drinking and driving this side, it's not pay up and a fine, you lose your licence. There are morons on here who think it's fine to have a couple of drinks and drive, it's NOT right. I have seen what drinking and driving has done to families and how it has ruined peoples lives, just for the sake of having so called fun. If I go and have a drink after work, then I usaully have a shandy (lager and lemonade) so do the rest of my mates. It's not hard to be responsible, Arrive Alive SA...

      Lanfear - 2011-05-31 12:58

      @ barrie.muchinaeng - yes I know the concept of the designated driver and do agree with it, yet I also agree with soutie76. The point is that you and the lads in the UK don't even need to drive if you don't want to. There's plenty of safe and affordable public transport to take you home. And if you do go out with a car, yup, designated driver. When I lived in the UK for some months, I never even drove, was never necessary. Not for work, not for touring, not for partying. Over here I can't even walk to my local pub [less than a km] for fear of being attacked. I would walk too if it wasn't for the err, fear factor. Excuse the pun... :P And just one other point, and I am sure many married women will agree with me. When going to friends/family for a braai or similar, who always ends up being the designated driver? The poor wife of course! Always the wife who must sacrifice her glass of wine or whiskey so that the husband can get roaring drunk and the wife stay sober to drive home. I would like to see it reversed at some stage! Gah, may as well wait for pigs to fly.

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 07:26

      We will get used to it ....Like getting used to 50 murders a day high electricity bills ..And mega toll fees......suckers ....

  • Dogmatic - 2011-03-17 23:12

    Ja now our traffic dept can be the only ones getting drunk in public. Increasing the legal age what a joke, it was easier to get booze than a busary from goverment to study. Lowering the limit, who will impliment and who will procecute and who will drive the fat cats home? No sport sponsorship, ja right cigarretes did not suffer instead saved on ads and sponsorship monies. Please punish me like that.

  • Jamesons - 2011-03-17 23:29

    And the ANC's night club? They said that the western province new laws would not shut down the ANC's night club for the kiddies.

  • - 2011-03-17 23:30

    Aways trying to fix what is not broken....PROHIITION did not work then..why should it work now...load of shit...more millions spent on a conference party.

  • Bedford - 2011-03-17 23:57

    If we had a proper education system, people would come to realise the difference between right and wrong, think for themselves - and vote out the ANC! Now we have the ANC making sure they keep the electorate uneducated, so they will vote for them. This all smacks of prohibition!!! Opening the doors to the criminal underbelly of our lovely country, so they can make "easy" money out of the law abiding citizens of the country. You voted them in - you can also vote them OUT. The simple rule is: drink, but don't get drunk - then we can all live in peace and harmony.

      ludlowdj - 2011-03-18 07:32

      Unfortunately parent are not keeping control of their children, I see girls as young as 16 dressed in clothes that barely cover where they should be smacked for wearing so little, wandering around drunk and drugged to the hilt and barely able to stand. These are the perfect little angels mommy and daddy trust and love so much. Please wake up and realize that you are failing as parents, the price for that failure will be paid by your kids as well.

      modefan - 2011-03-18 08:21

      @ludlowdj...yes, you're right! Barely dressed and tipsy, the shame of it! Thats why I always pick them up and teach them what can happen. I know, I know, it's a difficult thing to do, me with my christian values and all, but someone has to do it, and rather me then some hooligan. After all...what would Jesus do?

  • Straight Forward - 2011-03-18 06:38

    These idiots sit around a table, full of their own self importance, and then want to pass laws, that pray tell who is going to enforce. Just look at the smoking in public law, as one example. They probably had a big party after the conference as well. Bunch of ignorant twits

  • Vincedust - 2011-03-18 06:46

    well here we go again, now brand names are being killed due to government officials sitting in an office doing nothing but thinking kak!!!! people dont have service delivery but they look elsewhere to create kak!! Some truly regretful prisoners needs perole they dont get it but the Shabir gets one for trminal heart condition and stil manage to moer people outside neh! this is the ANC for you. i am a black South African and yes there major issues at stake here. white man kills 1 black person all hell breaks loose, a family on a farm gets murdered by black they get R500 bail and thats it. what ufcked up law system do we have! Should have seen the ANCYL after party in Rustenburg and they themselves party like tomorrow will never come blowing off a Million Rand on 1 function, but big brother ANC wants to ban sponsirships from alchol brands into sports, would the government that sponser all our National teams to go overseas and play in world events. i wana see that coming! please get out of office go out and reach out to the people stop spending time looking at making S.A into a communist country, You (Government) are there coz of people who voted for you now give what you promised

      Spookhuis - 2011-03-18 07:17

      Well said.

  • Zion - 2011-03-18 06:51

    Bye, bye miss American pie. I drove my Chevvy to the levee but the levee was dry and the good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye singing this will be the day that I die. This will be the day that I die.

  • pabnel.nel - 2011-03-18 06:53

    You can have a car on 18, you can have sex on 18, you smoke on 18, you work when your 18 but oyu have to be 21 to drink.. hahahaha, pupils drink already in school hours, what are your trying to do, besides - Mr.Delivery sells booze aswell now. Who will stop them? shebeens will sell booze whenever. Whats the point?

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 07:30

      We are in a nanny state because we have asked for it . we behave like idiots and then complain when we are treated like idiots by people who are also idiots.......we voted for this why complain??????

  • Lou_is - 2011-03-18 07:05

    Oh my god... another step towards the nanny state. If you fail to educate people you will have to threaten the uneducated masses with laws to make them toe the line. So much stupidity!! Grow up Government and Nanny-NGOs.

  • muschook - 2011-03-18 07:05

    When is this stupid government going to realise that you cannot just legislate away every problem we have!!! You have to actually find out what the root cause of a problem is and deal with that!!! Idiots!!!! All this will do is drive the alcohol trade underground again... Shebeens will thrive again like they used to in the apartheid era...

  • Spliff - 2011-03-18 07:21

    I you cant even enforce the law regarding the drinking age of 18y then how on earth will you do it for 21y olds?

  • ludlowdj - 2011-03-18 07:25

    Although the4 ideas are great and should be seriously considered, especially considering that alcohol abuse causes more disruption and pain to more people than smoking ever did. The problem of course is how you going to control it? the Police force itself is corrupt and even if it weren't they are unable to get current crimes under control so the only way they will be able to control it is by spending less time fighting serious crime.

      modefan - 2011-03-18 11:10

      No it does not, think before you comment please. If a person sits next to you and drinks, finishes and leaves, how did he hurt you? If a person sits next to you and smokes, finishes and leaves, your lungs are full of his second hand smoke. Sure, alcohol can cause domestic violence and road accidents, but then again, it also does not. Smoking ALWAYS causes damage to EVERYONE around them.

  • Sazi - 2011-03-18 07:25

    ban all alcohol sponserships into sport now that is totaly foolish.. the goverment can barely sponser sports living alone education.. now they want to ban the other source of funds 'wtf' there alot of people who benefit from these sponserships..... cutting on adverts there will be loss of employment in marketing trueth be told alcohol invest lots of money in this country... what they should do arrest people who are selling alcohol to under age chldren, fines must be done away with..... drinking and driving..... jail..... public drinking jail....... coz u can't tel me when and how to spend my hard earn cash... the next thng they will stipulate when and how to make bbies due to over population.....

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-03-18 08:53


  • PrefabSprout - 2011-03-18 07:44

    And what happened after the summit? I'll bet the 600 delegates did not retire to the lounge to go and drink tea. More than likely hit the pub.

  • Hanno - 2011-03-18 07:51

    Once again the government are acting before thinking. The alcohol industry is one of the biggest industries in South Africa. So if you banned alcohol ads now you are taking hundreds of millions of rands out of the economy. I would like to see how you create jobs be taking R100 million out of the economy.

      paulf - 2011-03-18 08:06

      Spot on there Hanno, they can't think as there is only a pea inside the brain. Hahahahahaha

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 07:34

      And my liquor business will suffer, My panel beating operation will suffer, the causalty wards will be empty ,my medical supplies concern will suffer and worst I have an undertakers franchise what can I do.. Have to find a new job....

  • paulf - 2011-03-18 08:04

    What a phase and Joke!!! I always wonder what this Zuma Government smoke??? Anyone????

      Badger - 2011-03-18 08:37

      COW SHIT

  • Nicholas - 2011-03-18 08:08

    I think that these proposals are great and by nature I am a very belligerent person, so one would think that I'd frown on any law that prohibits or inhibits personal freedoms. The carnage caused on our roads due to bad driving or intoxicated driving is reaching epidemic proportions and the loss of a SA citizen's life as a result of drunk driving cannot really be tabulated or calculated. We lose thousands of people a year and who knows what they may have contributed towards society had they lived longer lives. Zero tolerance is the way to go.

  • Pilgrim - 2011-03-18 08:09

    This is good news.So long overdue.As a recovering alcoholic I find the Tops Liquor adverts during the cricket disturbing even though they promote zero drinking and driving.Alcohol should not be advertised at all.It creates temptation where it cannot be tolerated at all.

      Martin - 2011-03-18 09:15

      i'm trying to eat less meat, does this mean they should do away with advsertising meat and people braaing as well. and as you know meat is not good for you if you over indulge. suck it up and get on with your life. you will battle your disease for the rest of your life. banning this or that will not help you. you must help you.

      agagiano - 2011-03-18 12:48

      just because you cannot control yourself that doesnt mean other people cannot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Mike - 2011-03-18 08:18

    Sounds like the start of a new dictatorship in the brew. What is the gov going to tell us what we can't do next. Only go to the toilet at certain times of the day or face stiff fines? Yes there are plenty that drive drunk but more people drink responsibly than gov gives credit for. Agreed have the age limit lifted to 21 have more patrols around bars and pubs pick up drunk ppl of the strEets for their safety and driver safety. There are far better ways to make roads safer than just throwing out random restrictions without proper investigations as to the real cause of laziness on the parts of the authorities that are ment to up hold the law. Let them work shifts instead of skeliton staff after hours.

  • Funjunky - 2011-03-18 08:24

    I have been in the bar and nightclub industry for the last 17 years.The ingenuity of kids to get into nightclubs or bars is amazing. The government wants to raise the lega drinking age to 21. Just to keep the roads safer.So that means bars and pubs and taverns and shebeens and nighclubs lose half of there patronage. But that will not stop the braais and parties that will be held at private residences. And that will not stop underage drinking at other peoples houses. Then you have to ask youself. Who will then drive these youngsters home. So in actual fact it is not stopping them from being drunk on the roads.So what is the actual use of raising the legal age to 21?????? Govenrment forgets that if this i succesful. That all major liquor manufacturers will have a de cline in sales. Which means that the money that they donate to government to line the pockets of politicians and political parties will be less!!!!

  • Badger - 2011-03-18 08:39

    WTF ??? Ban Smoking, Ban Booze, but keep the corruption going, keep the crime going, Lets Fuck the education system up, and the health system, lets destroy our drinking water, lets not keep service delivery going and dish out free tyres and petrol, NOW, doesn't that look better? Beer Anyone ??

  • Mirrorman - 2011-03-18 08:40

    Nothing can be solved this way.....

  • Gary - 2011-03-18 09:15

    I'll drink to that

  • stevenj.rsa - 2011-03-18 09:30

    More attention should be paid to corruption, and law enforcement not doing their current job, not trying to redirect attention to new legislation that can not be enforced easily. Stick to getting proper crime under control first, then look at other issues !! Start with political, judicial, and police corruption!!

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 07:39

      After 4pm any day the metro cops bugger off anyway...generally safer after 4..

  • gg.gugus - 2011-03-18 09:54

    This is our ANC luring voters for the next Election, there is hip of rubishes next to my House, for the last Five years complained about them nothing happened, I always get streesed when I see that, then I Drink alcohol to get sleep and forgot about it.You can't close shebeens and Taverns to reduce alcoholism, Let people be accountable for what they do, and the law play its part.

  • 50something - 2011-03-18 10:00

    Any law means nothing if it is not enforced, but it is a good start. We need an attitude change

  • MrT - 2011-03-18 10:36

    Simple, why not just shell out a few extra bucks and hire a taxi when going out on the piss? Then u can drink as much as you like and get home with no problems

  • gekko - 2011-03-18 11:19

    We should nationalise SAB!

  • DW - 2011-03-18 12:20

    As I understood it the were considering making the legal alcohol limit for driving to zero. This would mean you cannot drive if you have had even one drink. One way to enforce the legal alcohol limit (now and if they change it) would be for cops to sit outside pubs and as patrons drive off, stop them and breathalize them. This way you are not stopping people randomly but are cathching guys who are REAL potential drunk drivers. Result - less accidents and more REAL results. But they would rather sit and man speed trap cameras.

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 07:38

      The cops can also take a deck chair to park off outside the pub....doesnt have to be behind a speed camera...

  • majoor - 2011-03-18 12:31

    Dankie vir elke bottel rooiwyn, dankie vir die Lanzarac, dankie vir die ossewa en dankie vir Tabak... Now's the time to start specializing in House Parties!

  • Fredster69 - 2011-03-18 12:49

    Alcohol should be completely banned. Happier homes, far less violence and crime. Name 1 thing how alcohol can benefit you...nope, nothing. Just a way for society to blame something when they feel they need a lift. We don't need it, we need God and everything else will follow. Prove me wrong...

  • Annie - 2011-09-06 11:45

    Ha ha ha - what is good for the smokers is good for the drinkers - why must smokers only suffer?

  • Chillibean - 2011-09-16 06:04


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