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Amplats strike 'matter of life or death'

2012-10-06 14:50

Johannesburg - The wildcat strike by 12 000 workers at Anglo American Platinum's (Amplats) Rustenburg mine could turn violent after their dismissal this week, the National Union of Mineworkers said on Saturday.

"It is likely to happen now; the strike will get more violent," said Num spokesperson Lesiba Seshoka.

He said workers were gathering on Saturday at Bleskop stadium to discuss the way forward after they received dismissal notices on Friday. "You can see the anger. This is going to take a new dimension."

Seshoka said that while the company was in its "legal rights" to issue the dismissal notices, as the strike was illegal, it was not a constructive move.

"It's like you can't extinguish a fire with petrol. You have to act in a manner that promotes dialogue."

Genuine demands

Seshoka said, although their workers were in the wrong by embarking on an illegal strike, "their demands are genuine".

He said the best avenue for negotiations was for the platinum bosses and unions to meet at the Chamber of Mines; as was going to happen on Monday.

Wildcat strikes have raged at Anglo Platinum's Rustenburg mines for three weeks. The company decided to dismiss the workers after disciplinary hearings - which the strikers chose not to attend - were completed.

This Wednesday, workers will have the right to appeal the dismissal.

Seshoka said that Num had not yet made a decision on whether to appeal on its members' behalf, as it first wanted to see what the outcome of Monday's Chamber of mines meeting would be.

Meanwhile, an independent organiser for the mine strikes, Mamatlwe Sebei echoed Seshoka's concerns.

"This strike is a matter of life and death. These [dismissals] unfortunately will only escalate violence."

The workers would not appeal the dismissals, Sebei added.

"They [management] are going to have to reinstate the workers... Amplats is not going to operate without its workers."

He said while the possible violence would be "unacceptable", at the moment the miners felt that their dismissals were "like saying to someone who is about to have his head cut off that you must move your hair".

Sebei said he was from a democratic socialist movement which was helping the Amplats miners, who had lost faith in the unions, to organise their strike action.

Hardened resolve


He said, miners had "hardened their resolve to guarantee" that all Anglo Platinum shafts would be on strike by next week.

"We are going to make sure that we bring the whole of Anglo Platinum to its knees."

Sebei said the only solution to the strike was "constructive discussion" around the miners' "simple, modest and legitimate" demand for a minimum wage for everyone of R12 500.

He said in the long term the miners wanted to see the mines nationalised.

"These mines are the property of the people... The companies are just parasites that will never contribute to the development of this country."

Sebei said that since the end of apartheid, living conditions "for the better part, have only got worse... Since the end of apartheid you only see more and more shacks and squatter camps around the mines."

He said, consequently, the miners' stand that they would rather die than stop striking was "not an empty threat".

"Conditions are so unbearable; it doesn't really make a different," said Sebei.

"It's better to die today, fighting with honour, as a soldier dying on the battlefield, than to live in this poverty and suffering as a coward."

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Comments
  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-06 14:56

    \You're fired\ is dialogue, as far as I'm concerned.

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-10-06 15:21

      It's dialogue they seem to understand, it sure got their attention.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-10-06 15:44

      If the strikers/union went into proper dialogue in the first place, this would not have been necessary. Easy for them to say now that Amplats should embark on proper dialogue. Amplats must not yield here - and for the police, take the threat seriously and do what you are paid to do!

      npretorius2 - 2012-10-06 15:51

      Automate the mines, the only reason we use these primitive means of mining (manual labour) is to ensure that there are more jobs to go around. Obviously they don't want the work. As soon as anglo plats hire a new work force the new labourers will literally be killed by these savages. Stop thinking about the 50 000 miners in the country and think bout the other 49 million

      brucemgiles - 2012-10-06 15:52

      In escense you are correct Joe. Simple fact is, they are in breach of contract. The greater issue here though is the lack of understanding by the strickers, if you are not happy with your wages folks, move somewhere where you can get a better wage, pick up a book, study, educate yourself and achieve in a constructive way. This violent baseless demand does not help anyone, especially yourselves. Anyone can progress in life, with hard work, and education. Education being the key, not violence and senseless demands. And to those who bring race into this, there is no race attachment. To add that attachment is to show bias from your own point of view.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-10-06 16:12

      Bruce, you have it spot on - the lack of understanding is almost heart-wrenching(without becoming to emotional) - education is the key. Then you have to ask yourself - why are the government agencies so adamant to keep the children uneducated. I have asked this question a 1000 times - is that the way the ANC ensures they stay in power? And thank you for the race comment - we are sick and tired of the race card

  • lownabester - 2012-10-06 14:57

    Its already turn violent, There are so many that would give their everything just to have a job.

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-06 14:59

    It is time to send in the army again. We need law and order. Go home strikers you are now without a job.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 17:55

      @Ntshobs ~ If your education is the equivalent of crumbs, then crumbs it'll be pal.

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-10-06 15:01

    Get a TLB !!! We will need a big hole !!!!

  • canna.discussions - 2012-10-06 15:02

    This is horrific. So what effectively is happening is people are being allowed to break the law with their wildcat strikes, and after being fired they want to threaten with violence to be reinstated. This is sad. Our law makers,leaders and ruling party are failing the country and bringing our entire legal system to the ground. I wonder when office workers are going to start following suit.

  • tobydt - 2012-10-06 15:10

    Deal with it, if it turns violent, go Marikana on their butts.

  • JacquesKuun - 2012-10-06 15:11

    So be it. Imagine you have only 300 workers wanting R2000 increase (far less than this situation), that equates to R600 000 less for the company. They can't just strike, the company can't afford it every time. In my opinion, they deserved to be fired.

      rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-06 17:30

      @jacqueskuun Remember those fired miners r breadwinners to their families n think of one of thoze miners if he waz ur father or brother where u going to sing the same song or not :::ONE:::

      JacquesKuun - 2012-10-07 08:49

      And striking illegally and bankrupting the company justifies it?

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-08 15:47

      @Rofhiwa - let me tell you If I strike at my work I would be fired on the spot. End of. Who cares if they are breadwinners. They should have thought about this before following like sheep !!!

  • mark.p.oberholzer - 2012-10-06 15:13

    its quite simple. arrest them for trespassing.

  • martina.jameson.7 - 2012-10-06 15:18

    Step 1: Take the yellow Police tape & form a barrier. Step 2: Tell them if they were to cross the line, they will fire. Step 3: Shoot-to-kill those who break the line. If they threaten to kill someone now, they won't think twice to kill someone who deny them leave, for instance. They also won't think twice about killing farmers. What the hell, just kill all the bastards before it's too late!

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-10-06 15:21

    This is one sangoma and a rabbit away from another marikana. Interesting times ahead . . . .

  • Puseletso Phambane - 2012-10-06 15:22

    so an illegal strike is the only way they can think of to get wht they want..ppl wth small minds..wht exactly r ths unions 4 anyway,if the unions and the minister dd their jobs right non of ths wud b happening..

  • Francois Joubert - 2012-10-06 15:25

    End of SA economy...Zim..

  • alan.dumigan - 2012-10-06 15:27

    The problem with firing 12000 workers is that they now have no income. How do they feed their families now that they have no income? The only way to get food is to steal, rob and hijack. This leaves you with the bigger problem of more crime and possibly more murders. Has any of the bloggers any answers to this bigger question?

      makarapakaplan - 2012-10-06 15:41

      Is that our problem? NO, they should of thought about that before going on an ILLEGAL strike, you can't just want want want the strikers were not being reasonable at any point

      ryan.macdougall - 2012-10-06 15:46

      and if they feel that their pay is too low for the job they do no one is forcing them to work there.

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-10-06 15:46

      For fear of the bigger picture we therefore become hostage to this situation and the next and so on. We are busy exploding and imploding at the same time. Sad.

      makarapakaplan - 2012-10-06 16:01

      @Jamba, I believe you are 100% correct, I'm sure it is a minority but they have intimidated the majority of good honest workers that they dare not even think about stepping out of line or voicing their opinions.

      cheryl.laing.94 - 2012-10-07 04:34

      Sometimes "the cause" has to be that important in order for it to succeed.

  • hein.helmand - 2012-10-06 15:31

    When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the fire department usualy uses water

  • sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-10-06 15:31

    I say well done Amplats! Its an illegal strike, they have followed the labour act to the tee and are fully in there rights to fire them. There is millions of unemployed people out there that will love to have a job. This is just another illustration of how uneducated people can believe that they can demand whatever they want, burn, loot and intimidate without consequence. Tax payers and law abiding citizens demand law and order this behaviour is not acceptable!!

      alan.dumigan - 2012-10-06 15:45

      You make a good point about millions looking for work. The problem is that anyone who applies for the job at Amplats will almost certainly be targeted by these unemployed workers and their home, family or lives threatened by these ex-workers.

  • hein.helmand - 2012-10-06 15:34

    When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember,that the fire department ustually uses water.

  • mikesenhall - 2012-10-06 15:36

    Peoples comments are as explosive as the strike. ANC "ANOTHER NATIONAL CRISIS' and it is only going to get worse

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-10-06 15:36

    "simple, modest and legitimate demand for a minimum wage for everyone of R12 500" really !? I may need to join the mining sector shortly

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-06 15:49

      Really let's hope there is still a mining sector to join my friend....

      makarapakaplan - 2012-10-06 15:53

      Too true!

  • Paul Zwiegers - 2012-10-06 15:39

    @philajh do yourelf the favour and go read what the blacks say about us. kill the boer kill the farmer what d u think about that?? if this escilates to more violence the police will have to climb in again, oo sory they are not alowed to protect themselfs even if the miners are shooting at them with the fire arms that they took from 2 killed police officers.

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 18:13

      so if you single out what those 'blacks' say here you obviously don't consider yourself an african. why don't you go back home if you don't like it here?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:53

      Kleo ~ Why don't you put a pie in it? BTW, how's business and how much do you charge?

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 22:42

      @ Irene: thanks for asking. i play in a different league..... so no use in trying here darling. and guess what - i don't charge cause 'i can' hehehe. maybe you should give it a try one day............

  • gordon.turner.37 - 2012-10-06 15:47

    Unfortunately South Africans don't learn our own history. 1922 miners strike is remarkably similar... More so with an election looming.

  • Andre Kapp - 2012-10-06 15:47

    So glad Amplats took a stand for employers in all the sectors. Things will not get any easier but it is a step in the right direction. Those striking workers that have been dismissed must remember they are now trespassing. The damage to the economy has already been done. No realistic increase without promotion will justify the rising costs for atleast the next 2 years. I am prepared to stay in this country as long as we all suffer the same financial crisis. Mining is the back bone of this country. It does not matter in which sector you work. You will be affected and further retrenchments in the near future is inevitable in all sectors. Smaller towns first

      ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-06 16:08

      Good point there Andre.Another thing letting this country down big time,is the false promises and beliefs that exists in millions of poor people.

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-10-06 15:58

    keep voting for you useless anc!!

      mzwa.mthombeni - 2012-10-06 17:51

      Thats exactly what we plan to do,Theuns. At least until jesus comes back. You can kick and scream all you want!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:03

      @mzwa ~ Good, and you can starve and cry all you want. I'm lovin' watching you!!!!!!

      abeljdj - 2012-10-06 18:27

      Funny but it seems the kicking and screaming is coming from the blacks at the moment.lol

  • ishmael.valoyi - 2012-10-06 15:59

    i see investors pulling the plug on investing in SA very soon! u want to nationalize the mines? are u guys jocking..what do u guys know about mining business.! our goverment is failing to deliver text books at schools and you are still talking about nationalising mines..i don't see logic in this guys thinking..If u want to go ahead and nationalise mines,then let it be..i'm sure khulubuse zuma will grab another mine and turn it into another eurora..u will stay without salaries for 5yrs and so what??

  • ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-06 16:01

    Hell has broken loose now.The question is,why do they get someone from outside to organize the strike when they have their own union representing them?The end result will give them so many lessons to learn.Wonder what the next step would be,maybe we will see more deaths.

  • makavelithedonkilluminati.shakur - 2012-10-06 16:03

    Zuma automatically gets R400k wage increase and R203m to improve his house. But when poor workers start striking for a rightful wage increase,then they are fired from work, its war or life or death. Yah neh.

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 18:36

      well try and use your vote wisely the next time you vote.

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-10-06 16:06

    No problem with a bit of violence - if it is directed at the union officials.

  • Puseletso Phambane - 2012-10-06 16:08

    no one is stopping blacks from educating themselves and starting their own businesses and being their own bosses.that way they can employ their friends and families.the whites came wth brilliant ideas tht created the greatest legacy for them and their children.wht dd we do as blacks,we jst follow we never come up wth our own ideas..we had all ths kinds of minerals way before the whites came to Africa,bt we ddnt knw tht ths things can actually benefit us..Let them reap wht they sow..and let us come up wth our ways thn we wont b slaves

      makavelithedonkilluminati.shakur - 2012-10-06 16:19

      Thats true man. Thats what I wanna do,I wanna start a legacy now so that when I get married and have kids,my family wont have to beg and borrow.

      makavelithedonkilluminati.shakur - 2012-10-06 16:31

      @jamba. Sho mfethu,thanx a lot bro.

      makavelithedonkilluminati.shakur - 2012-10-06 17:06

      Lol,heita daar my bra. But I hope its a good and positive knowledge.

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 18:38

      At long last, I read a comment that makes a lot of sense and gets right to the point.

  • frank.downs.357 - 2012-10-06 16:21

    WE MUST REMEMBER THAT SINCE APARTHEID WAS DONE AWAY WITH, SOME PEOPLE TOOK OVER A ONCE THRIVING CITY LIKE JOHANNESBURG AND HILLBROW AND TURNED IT INTO A SLUM. AS WITH SOME OTHER ONCE THRIVING CITIES. THE CONDITIONS THAT THE MINERS NOW LIVE IN MAY JUST BE THEIR OWN DOING. BUT THEN AGAIN, IF THEY GET MORE MONEY, THEY MAY IMPROVE THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS. ONE NEVER KNOWS.

      mzwa.mthombeni - 2012-10-06 17:42

      Ever heard of the group areas act Oupa? The pass laws? The city was yours exclusively once upon a time. We were \allowed\! Its 20yrs later,wake up!!

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 17:53

      Ja, and now that you are allowed in it doesn't look like a once highly civilised city any more ...for lack of a better word, it is a slum.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-10-06 16:22

    you lot BREED TOO much,thats why R4000 is not enough!

      mzwa.mthombeni - 2012-10-06 17:36

      Scared little racist,hiding behind a qwerty keyboard! Apartheid machine is off,old habits die hard. Get some dignity,apartheid has condemned you! LOL!

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 17:51

      How do you know you hit a nerve with an African? He calls you a racist. How pathetic and predictable.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-10-06 16:27

    want,want want! Always WANT! earn it for a change,then you wont just burn or break it!

  • corrie.scheepers.9 - 2012-10-06 16:28

    The problem with the mine workers is that they think they can intimidate the mine Managers. They went on wildcat strikes and they are always theatening to bring Companies to their knees. Well done. The Companies have now brought them down to their knees. Talk is cheap, please exoplain to thinking people how you can have cnstructive discussions with people who attack and kill their co-workers who do not join the strikes because they need the jobs. The problem with the socialists, communist and democratic sociolists, is that they do not create anything but destroy whatever the entrepreneurs build up. Please force Cosato to show us how many jobs they have created. The unions collect fees from every member that is registered. The workers were even unhappy with a funeral policy the union arranged to have deducted from their pay. Neither the unions or democratic socialists have done anything to brak poverty in this country or created anything. (Tey are bloodsuckers who grow fat on the backs of the poor.)

  • richard.aytoun - 2012-10-06 16:35

    Any problems caused by this wildcat strike are directly attributal to 3 parties - Melame, NUM & COSATU.

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 16:42

      Ermmmm...you forgot one. The fatcats in the AyenCee

  • les.cunningham1 - 2012-10-06 16:38

    WTF, they accepted the jobs in the first place. Not happy, move on!! To where,I don't know, but still move on if you no longer want to be a miner. There are many who do,as they need a job and are prepared to go for it.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:07

      Too true. Unreal the way they expect to be treated differently from the rest of the world, let alone the country.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-07 00:00

      Irene, not so sure its your real name, please stop using that surname, your as white as any koekemoer can be.

      eric.f.moloi - 2012-10-07 00:03

      Les,will u survive in a shack for two hours?everything is simple on your side,

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-06 16:42

    "We are going to make sure that we bring the whole of Anglo Platinum to its knees." And then where are they going to find work? With Crime Bros. Inc.?

  • jairos.rwexana - 2012-10-06 17:16

    its our life, our future so let it be, do or die coz life is too short. We are done saying \dankie bass\. Let our tears not fall but gain something from them.

      Erna - 2012-10-06 17:19

      How dramatic!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:08

      @jairos ~ If you don't want to say 'dankie baas' why don't you get off your backside and become the baas? Too much like hard work?

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 18:53

      Said like a real loser.

  • adl1205 - 2012-10-06 17:17

    Good on Amplats for taking action! You cant expect to be given everything on a silver platter and when u dont get your way throw a tantrum like a 2yr old! A minimum wage of R12500 isnt modest! There are graduates with degrees that dont even earn that!

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-10-06 17:18

    Give them all the mines! They won't get paid at all! Ha Ha!

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 18:24

      then there is not much change to the current situation. pleased you agree with giving the mines back to their rightful owners.

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 18:56

      @Kleo, Who do you think are the rightful ownwers? The rightfull owners are the investors who risked their money to start a mine and employ the willing labourers.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:57

      @Kleo ~ Make like the last part of your surname ..... and go back to Serbia or wherever the hell you crawled out of.

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 22:51

      @ Julio : the rightful owners are the people of south africa, it's their land, their mineral wealth and they are the labourers who get exploited and even killed if asking for better salaries or working conditions. you've got a point with the investors, but we all know how they came to their riches. so they should just give back what doesn't belong to them anyway - and enjoy the fortunes they've made out of the blood and sweat of african workers.

      kleo.dabelsteinvuckovic.5 - 2012-10-06 23:00

      @Irene: hey,slowly lady. no need to get personal but ok, if you want to........ if my comments don't suit your demented limited mind set than it's not my fault. i don't owe you or anybody else an explanation re my surname bby. and i'll go back gladly, once people like you leave for their ancestral homes as well............... and start queuing there in soup kitchens hehehe, the sooner the better, right. btw, your limited knowledge should not lead to assumption - which is as we all know the mother of all screw ups - but re your previous comment and as you are such a cosmopolitan let me say : odjebi kurva jedna. you might want to google that. love and peace

  • david.mnyungula - 2012-10-06 17:22

    Most ppl do nt knw mines wht luk lyk but thy r saying much. This miners deserve tht amount

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 17:34

      No they don't - and my family has been working in the mines for 80 years so I know exactly what I'm talking about. You however seem to be just another troll.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 18:09

      @David ~If you have a job, consider yourself very lucky. I wouldn't employ anybody with your spelling abilities. Jeez, do you write business letters?

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-06 23:54

      Irene buthelezi, are u an english grammar teacher or something? Your only contribution here is blasting @ africans on their spelling mistakes, keep your perfect english to yourself, it does not help anyone here, you missing the purpose of commenting la, whatever it is, definately it is not about how one can write good english...

      eric.f.moloi - 2012-10-06 23:57

      Irene,it is nt his language(david)n his point is clear,will u make a joke if it was a person of anada race writing in our language n commit errors?BIG NO,so grow up

  • rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-06 17:32

    Nationalisation of mining is the only solution

      deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-10-06 17:36

      Your AyenCee can't even manage a p1ss-up in a brewery. Remember the textbook fiasco? Maybe Alexkor rings a bell? Nationalise the mines? Pffft - it'll be a hole in the ground in 3 months flat.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-10-06 17:52

      You are able to spel nationalisation but you have no idee what the implications are going to be!!!!

      thasmeel.singh - 2012-10-06 17:59

      nationalize it then when the mines are forced to close due to incompetent management and only the enrichment of the few anc idiots, then YOU must not cry foul!!!!!

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-10-06 18:01

      Need to get like Zambia, mines will just close down and workers will just lose their jobs anyway. Amplats pays for the right to mine there as well as paying tax on the profit. Mining is a hugely capital intensive business. Its also very capital intensive as well as providing lots of jobs. Big mouth woodworker think they're going to run a mine, the only running they will do is away.

      abeljdj - 2012-10-06 18:43

      Great solution you idiot,you say that the money at the moment is not enough,yet once its nationalised you will be working for nothing,thats a sign of a real genius.HA HA HA.

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 18:58

      Yes and then give it to Kuboluse, seen that has now gained experience running mines successfully! lol.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-06 19:59

      Whites here keep on yarping and harping but they do not come up with a solution, therefore i take it that they suggests the status quo ne kept intact, over their decaying boddies, i say, we'd rather be like zimbabwe than let these leeches have a ball at the mines, close all the mines id you have to, but our resolve will not diminish, Achimurenga! Aluta continua! Amandla! South Africa will know no peace until the imperialists loosen their vise grab on the economy, its after 18 years now, enough must be seen as enough!

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-06 20:01

      Whites here keep on yarping and harping but they do not come up with a solution, therefore i take it that they suggests the status quo ne kept intact, over their decaying boddies, i say, we'd rather be like zimbabwe than let these leeches have a ball at the mines, close all the mines id you have to, but our resolve will not diminish, Achimurenga! Aluta continua! Amandla! South Africa will know no peace until the imperialists loosen their vise grab on the economy, its after 18 years now, enough must be seen as enough!

      Watkykj - 2012-10-07 18:19

      Khetu. It's quite amusing your comment. Just shows are stubborn you are. It's actually scary to think that there people with your moronic attitude out there. Eish!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-08 15:51

      And Aurora ? What happened there ! Good example !

  • BlaqueFashionistaArie - 2012-10-06 17:41

    If you ditch school or be hard headed to learn/educate yourself the repercussions of the act are to earn r4000 and then resort to violence when your voice can't be heard then resort to violence. Who is to be blamed that our fathers uncles cousins etc are in the same position for as long as they can remember and have been earning little money? They are to be blamed not management not white people not someone else but themselves. If you want an increase you gotta earn it and deserve it. What this miners who are striking don't know is that their actions will have an impact in our economy. It'll affect all south African. They are ridiculously demanding an unreasonable increase. The management might comply and give them the money they want but what will happen that they aren't aware of is early retrenchment, lack of employment, cancellation of schooling funds and a high hike of rand which means cost of leaving will be high. They must be surprised when they later suffer the repercussions of their actions. Let us all be wise and let those who strike think of long term actions not short term. This will blow in their faces trust me!

  • JamesMWood - 2012-10-06 17:44

    No you stupid people, the land belongs to south africa, the actual mine belongs to the company that paid for and built it along with the mineral rights

  • ivan.goodman.77 - 2012-10-06 18:11

    When the miners are done and get what they deserve other sectors should follow suit, its time that south african people stop the exploitation by these so called foreign investors, that are taking out more than what they putting in, the only people that are against the strikes are those that feel the black miners deserve to be paid penuts. If you were risking your life 1000 of metes underground I wonder if you would still feel the same way, you slave pushers...

      julio.sanfona - 2012-10-06 19:03

      I agree with you Ivan. I say to the stiking miners, leave your job, walk away and find another job that is more deserving of your skills and intellect.

      stephen.redford.16 - 2012-10-06 19:32

      It is more dangerous to travel on our roads than to work underground. Zimbabwe mineworkers get R1450 per month. Our labour is overpaid - that is why everyone all over Africa wants to work in SA. Pity that even legal people with work permits in SA are being told they can't have a mining job. When will you stop scoring "feel good" points and start working to grow the country ?

      eric.f.moloi - 2012-10-06 23:48

      Thts a point Ivan ,people who dont struggle to put bread on de table sees things differently,hence thy believe miners r wrong

      cheryl.laing.94 - 2012-10-07 04:39

      I agree with you Ivan....shame on Zimbabwe mine owners and shame on South African mine owners. Even Jesus warned about the rich.

  • abeljdj - 2012-10-06 18:14

    Im sick and tired of hearing blacks complain how bad life is....Remember that times are hard for all.Dont keep throwing comments around when you make your surrounding a cesspool of filth,look at yourselves and see that the dirt and unhygenic circumstances come from yourselves.I have yet to see whites going to your townships and throwing their rubbish there,look at your selves,motto of the story....dont s..t and eat at the same place.About time you change the way you live and stop blaming whites,call on your neighbours and clean your place up yourselves...just common sense.

      Mpumzi Gidani - 2012-10-06 23:17

      k**k

      Molotsi Pilane - 2012-10-07 10:56

      from my understanding, thats why miners are striking for higher pay they deserve so they can buy proper houses in previously white owned suburbs. am sure R12500 will help with that, or at least help them to build proper houses in same townships (with shacks) they live in. one thing i know about blacks in townships, if you offer them enough cash for their hardwork they will go all out to show off (build big house, nice furniture, and a everything good for their family). your comment now suggest they are earning good enough cash and they choose living in shacks which to me after 20 years living in townships doesnt make sense.

      Nwashe Samie - 2012-10-07 11:28

      if this is the route to economic freedom. the route is evil. we must loose lives and jobs first. the recipe is not on.

  • cindy.wrathex.ruthven - 2012-10-06 20:37

    henry.kruger.520 wrote: "Nobody is forcing anybody to work in the Mines. What will be happening in near future is more development to take place to mechanize the mining of ore. That way you remove people from the underground conditions. Have you ever been underground? The conditions aren't great but nobody has placed a gun to their heads and forcing them underground to work." - Unfortunately that is the reality of the situation. - The unemployment rate in South Africa was last reported at 24.9 percent in the second quarter of 2012.

      cheryl.laing.94 - 2012-10-07 04:36

      No matter which way you try to look at it Cindy......the world over, workers who do a job should be compensated fairly.

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-10-06 21:12

    Mineworkers have dependents,nationalise or give the workers shares,not those BEE cannibals.

  • alwyn.vantonder - 2012-10-06 22:19

    So, do I understand it right? The strikers are violent right from the beginning.. They aggressively tried to take on the police and attacked them, which caused the death of some of their friends.. Then they continued with their violence and killed some more people from their own union, while they continued to strike illegally.. AND NOW SOME IDIOT SAYS THE MINES SHOULD "TALK".. No wonder they started killing NUM officials! NUM is reaping what they sowed.. Bunch of crap union officials!

  • cheryl.laing.94 - 2012-10-07 04:33

    Number 1 platinum producer....me thinks the workers have got the "fat cats" by the "......"!!! About time too. They have taken advantage of "cheap labor" for way too long and now its time to pay up. Recompense.

  • ntsakojasper - 2012-10-10 08:40

    its simple frm other cos they ddnt work in mine.....its hard to work underground.....some has 25 year working at anglo platinum but still getting less than R5000 a month.....u cnt believe it but its true...

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