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'An insensitive white person's creation'

2012-05-23 13:14

Cape Town - A man who admitted to defacing a controversial painting of President Jacob Zuma said on Wednesday he did it to “deracialise the painting”.

Barend la Grange, 58, told reporters at the Johannesburg Regional Court: "I did it to diffuse and deracialise the painting. We have better things to worry about."

On Tuesday, La Grange was filmed making two large crosses with red paint over Zuma’s face and penis in the painting, titled The Spear.

He said that it felt right to deface “an insensitive creation by a white person”.

“It was my spoilt ballot paper.”

He said he did not know the other man, Lowie Mabokela, accused of smearing black paint over the work, and that he only met him after they were both arrested.

“Only Jesus can be naked on the cross. You can't do that to President Zuma,” said La Grange.

The matter was postponed to June 28 for further investigation in the Hillbrow Magistrate's Court on Wednesday.

La Grange and Mabokela face charges of malicious damage to property.

 Both men's bail of R1 000 was extended.

The painting has caused a national outcry, with the ANC going to court in the hopes of having it removed from the Goodman Gallery and City Press newspaper’s website.

Comments
  • Peter - 2012-05-23 13:17

    Ok thats great can we move onto the issues like no books half way through the year, no medicine or medicines that expired years ago, nepotism, murder, rape, corruption, fraud. If you still care about a painting that was destroyed you are pathetic

      Henri - 2012-05-23 13:21

      No we cant move on, we want to know if there is a public holiday declared on this GREAT day.

      Werner - 2012-05-23 13:22

      That means real work Peter...

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-23 13:28

      Funny what people will endure for attention... Now this old fart will have a criminal record and his retirement fund snatched to cover the damages. Stupid idiot!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:31

      No criminal record, Get serious. This will fall under the Diversion clause and a Medal for this Comrade is in due course.

      Gary - 2012-05-23 13:32

      does anyone care anymore???

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:33

      @Tamaranui - well done, ignore the real issues because it helps you sleep well at night, you are the epitome of PATHETIC

      En - 2012-05-23 13:36

      Maybe if you STOPPED COMMENTING on the article, you could lead by example. Just a suggestion. Use it, dont use it.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:42

      @En - If i can get people to see the real issues and stop wasting their time on this bs, then i think i am leading by example. Thats the way i see it anyway, people should be ashamed of themselves going on and on about this. Regardless of your feelings, the painting was done and is now destroyed people need to get on with their lives and focus on the real issues we are experiencing they are a far great contributing factor to the division of our country in my opinion

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-23 13:43

      Weskoppies psychiatric ward door 13: Barend la Grange

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:50

      NO NO NO ..... An Example is required so that others don't derail the Governments progressive plans for RSA. Wait till the next RSA citizen thinks this insult can be simulated....No thanks. That Murray character better tread lightly ....Sooner or Later, The chickens will come home to Roost.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:52

      @Tamaranui - Yes make an example use all your power to focus on this one topic. You just proved you care about nothing else but a painting bravo, which by the way you dont even like...your comrades in the township should be proud of you, i mean what better way to celebrate the destruction of the painting than ignoring the poverty stricken, like i said the other day your selfish you only care about yourself because you have your RDP housing and your kids arent the ones affected by the lack of school books and terrible state of education

      Pieter - 2012-05-23 13:59

      @Tamaranui Why are you so racist?

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:04

      @Saleé - then dont moan and dont comment on the truth, like Tamaranui you too obviously dont give a sh*t about the people of SA as long as you live comfortably and have your good food, isnt it? Screw the other millions that dont have a cent to their name, you are pathetic

      Leon - 2012-05-23 14:07

      why is there no outcry over Ayanda Mabulu's painting who also shows Zuma's penis. under democratic freedom, let them pain, but under respect and common decency, away with these paintings

      Gary - 2012-05-23 14:07

      Seems I was wrong, some people do seem to still care about the defacing of a penis

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:10

      I am NO RACIST , We want all to feel at home in RSA howeevr some detractors are hell bend on ruining our lives and Cultures. We will not stand for it. With all that education can't you see that these antics just take away from the real issues that require urgent attention. Teach your detractors to behave in a responsible manner in our Democracy.

      sonia.bloem - 2012-05-23 14:11

      Thank you!

      deabreu - 2012-05-23 14:15

      The ANC drummed up racial tension for its own agenda - and it took this one man to try and calm the country down because he thought it was the right thing to do. How sad is it that one powerful man USED an entire country. In the hospitals people were busy dyeing because the ANC does not provide, at schools, kids are hungry because money is wasted elsewhere, and the country is worried about one man because he does not like a picture? Sad! now THAT is sad.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:16

      @Tamaranui - YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THOSE DETRACTORS! Its called a double standard, you live by it! You continuously tell white people to go back to europe that makes you RACIST. You fight racism with racism, that makes you NO BETTER than the other person. Its people like you making a big noise that detracts from the SERIOUS ISSUES. WAKE UP ALREADY!!!

      Bryan - 2012-05-23 14:16

      @Tamaranui.. You are a complete retard!! If you had one more brain cell you may just be classified as a pot plant!!WTF...

      Pieter - 2012-05-23 14:17

      @Tamaranui - I think you are a racist.

      Robin - 2012-05-23 14:17

      @Tamaranui "An Example is required so that others don't derail the Governments progressive plans for RSA"???? And WTF may that plan be? Running it into the ground you foooool

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:25

      Detractors of ALL colours must leave RSA so that the Real RSA of all Cultures to progress. Just like Murray here , the Detractors are hindering our Progress. We only want patriots here as our democracy got off to a late start. I have a Europeans and Africans in my Immediate family damnit.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:33

      @Tamaranui - Then act like you have people from both races in your family and stop acting like the detractor you keep saying you are fighting for. Murray is one guy and so is Mugabe and look how much damage they have both done to their countries, in different ways but they have both done it clearly. Aim your hatred in the right direction, you may not be a racist at heart but i can tell you your comments of late come through as a racist. If you don't want to be called a racist stop acting like one, you are not making it any easier for us all to live together in the Utopia you want to live in. I am willing to give you a chance, are you willing to give us the same chance?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:39

      Peter, Tell the Gestoffe , Koos and Irenes on this website to stop aggitating our Militant personas. We are Liberal however this continous disparaging of our People , Culture and Struggle really gets the Blood boiling.

      Freddie - 2012-05-23 14:42

      Tamaranui, I fail to see how someone with such a limited outlook on life who lives in such a backwater and has no experience of the greater world out there can comment so vociferously on this forum, acting as though his limited knowledge and experience actually count for something. Wake up and open your mind to the world before trying to be a orator. (and for your info I have been all over Africa, Europe, USA and the Far East)

      Malavi10 - 2012-05-23 14:46

      what i know for sure is Barend saved lot of whites lives by his action!

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:47

      @Tamaranui - but you are doing the exact same thing, hadebe, philemon, tsotsi-baby. yes I can always recognize the names of the people that are equally at fault. If i throw a stone and you and you throw a stone at me, what has that solved? absolutely bugger all. The true test of a man/woman is to not to stoop to that of the level of those you are against. Honestly fighting racism, with racism has never solved anything and never will.

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-23 14:54

      Why dont you (Peter) and Tamaranui go and get a hotel room or something?

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:55

      @Malavi10 - Racist much? What because im white i must die because an individual painted a picture?

  • Werner - 2012-05-23 13:19

    It had nothing to do with racism until the ANC said so....

      Felix - 2012-05-23 13:31

      I would love to know his connection to the party.

      Kala - 2012-05-23 13:35

      @Felix - If there wasn't one there will be one now. keep a look out for Barend Le Grange Drive in the next street naming process.

      mohumahadi - 2012-05-23 14:02

      wati njani e werner kutsi loku akuhambisani nelubandlululo lwebanftu labamyama

      Liam - 2012-05-23 14:51

      "...the show is simply an artistic expression of the much more vociferous – and highly commendable – critique by Vavi of the political elite where in his words “we’re headed for a predator state where a powerful, corrupt and demagogic elite of political hyenas are increasingly using the state to get rich”. In that speech, Vavi continued to say that just like a hyena whose daughters eat first, so, in a predator state, the chief of state’s family eats first. Imagine the outcry if an artist had to portray Zuma and his family as a bunch of hyenas, and yet, this is exactly what an alliance partner of the ANC and the president has said. What Murray has done is simply give artistic expression to angry and legitimate criticism also expressed by a close Zuma ally" - Mike van Graan, Cape Times

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-23 13:19

    RACIST!

      Julie - 2012-05-23 13:36

      No Wikus, it was not RACIST! It was meant to be ART!

      Eternity - 2012-05-23 13:45

      @wikus You should read this article http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/cape-artist-despairs-for-illiterate-anc-1.1302504 Talk about double standards.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 13:49

      http://worldart.co.za/news/ what about this Wikus?

      wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-23 13:56

      so the WHITE person painting RED paint on the painting is not racist, what about the other guy with the black paint? If its ART, is it not expressionism? Can someone not express himself in any way? Why make such an uproar with court cases when the painting is destroyed. Instead focus on the poor and housing for them, save the money from lawyers, wasted on pointless matters. ....

      Eternity - 2012-05-23 14:00

      @wikus none of this is racist. Only the people screaming "thats racist!!!" are racist. And about focusing on other more important things - its funny because now there is news about the painting, the court case AND the defacing. Hilarious

      VWhitepaw - 2012-05-23 14:02

      I agreed with the Red Crosses in principal, right up to these words "creation by a white person" No where what it racism. It only started to become racism after the ANC said so. Only the ANC apologized for it the following day as there is no proof for this. But now it is still racism. I wish people would stop looking at the world through colored glasses. Also... It still is destruction of private property. How would people feel if I hit their car windows out when they park in my home driveway. We live in a country that have laws. The correct process is what the ANC is doing. Taking it to court.

      wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-23 14:04

      @Eternity... even worse, in trying to keep it hush hush, the ANC have bloated publicity for this gallery for FREE...

      Spencer - 2012-05-23 16:28

      @Etenity and Juliarse its not double standards those potraits of mabulu were never publicised and no newspaper even placed them on front page or anything even yourself you did not know about these paintings of Mabulu. The fact of the matter is these type of paintings are wrong democracy and freedom of expression does not allow you to tramp on other peoples rights and dignity no matter what. Most of people fail to understand that Zuma did not just put himself as president he was chosen by the majority of south africans blacks, whites, coloureds, indians etc when he had the corruption allegations and his many wives if these people have a problem with him they can still vote him out in the same way they voted him in. So the fact that you hate Zuma with passion in the name of democracy and trample on his rights as a citizen and president and you complain and rubbish and try to muzzle views of people who dont like the painting just shows how shallow minded some people are. they pretend as if they know democracy when they are selfish, pessimistic and filled with prejucide. There is a statement called " constructive criticism" we all want to build a better south africa for all. If things get any worse we will all suffer look at Zimbabwe blacks and whites suffered all the way.

      wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-23 23:29

      I drive fast... I'm a RACE-IST!

      Eternity - 2012-05-24 12:43

      @Spencer The painting by Mabulu is in public view. It on the internet right there in the link and countless other websites. I appreciate the artwork and the meaning I find in Barry's painting as it speaks to me. I don't "hate" Zuma - I don't agree with how this country is being run. The imagery of an exposed power flaunting president of a country, that many feel is heading the way of Zim because of how his government run the country (btw the painting reference Russian pre-revolution propaganda), says exactly what I am thinking.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-23 13:22

    Prof I insist have a double bells on me, better still get the whole bottle

      Lorain - 2012-05-23 14:15

      I insist the prof be promoted to dean.

      Raymond - 2012-05-23 14:31

      Lorain, shouldn't you be watching Big Brother? Judging by your obsession with one of the worst programs ever to be aired on TV, I now understand your lunatic ravings on this site.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-05-23 13:23

    "We have better things to worry about." YOU SAID IT YOURSELF... so you've just landed yourself in hot water & brought an already volatile situation to the boil over something that you admit we shouldnt be worrying about...? what an idiot!!

      Kala - 2012-05-23 13:41

      And there is no cure!!!

      Rabble-Rouser - 2012-05-23 13:42

      It' called bigotry.

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:25

    Ahh........Barend la Grange....You sir must be Revered and Respected like a True RSA Patriot that you are. Send us your details so we may contrbute to your WORTHY cause. ViVa Barend Viva My Comrade.

      kenneth.mthethwa - 2012-05-23 13:29

      My support as well.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:31

      Ah ok makes sense this is "WORTHY cause", so a painting that was destroyed is a worthy cause, but your comrades in the townships living in poverty arent a worthy cause to contribute to

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-23 13:40

      ooohhh good point Peter!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:40

      This image is insulting and an example of this Murray character will ensure others don't continue on the road to Purgatory. This age old tradition of disparaging Blacks is No longer Appreciated in this Democracy.

      Kala - 2012-05-23 13:45

      Tamaranui - I suppose those living in abject poverty, or those without school books running water or decent sanitation are not insulted each time the ANC promises them service delivery and jobs and fails these people each time? Or are the poor not appreciated in this Democracy?

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:45

      @Tamaranui - you act as if the guy is producing these things by the truck load, there was one, which was destroyed. Are you so blinded and unable to move on? What more do you want? the painting is DESTROYED is that not getting through to you?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 13:51

      @Tamaranui, what doe you think abouthe the ANCYL member that did that poorly edited picture of Hellen Zille? You most probably wont say it is wrong and its not racist. Double standards much?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:54

      Kala, My RDP home has Lights and running water. My kids go to the School built 7 years ago. I waited for 11 years howevevr I knew we will be better off. The NP Government didn't do it for me or my People. Kala, leave your Climate controlled Designer environment and come over to Empangeni. You will be welcomed here as you are in every RSA city/Town. It will be a life changing Event. Bring as many Sisters as you want....

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:56

      @eil33nn - thanks you put the nail in the coffin, point and case made. Tamaranui is blinded by his/her hatred for white people, double standards is all he/she can use now to defend them self.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 13:58

      and don't forget to tell your saviour and comrade where Ayanda Mabulu's painting hangs... Im sure he would like to deface that 'culturally offensive art' as well.

      Hettie - 2012-05-23 13:58

      Gosh are you all so blind that you cant even see it is all happening so that poor president Zuma will get all of his followers to vote for him again,and to say see what racist the whites are look at this art, we must keep the whites out never mind if we dont have houses schools hospitals, water or whatever. Oh well,I rest my case.And did you see E news going on about the arrest and a little bit of pressure they used on the black guy, wich resisted arrest and the white guy not resisting. Why did you grab him like that and not the white guy. Come on if you resist we use force if you dont we dont. Open youre eyes,this is a political stunt.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:58

      @Tamaranui - selfish care about no one but yourself you should run for president, you too have the same point of view. Im in power i have what i need stuff everyone else

      Pieter - 2012-05-23 14:00

      @Tamaranui Why are you so racist?

      Hettie - 2012-05-23 14:03

      Maybe you're support will put the food on the tables of the hungry,and a roof over their heads. This is propaganda at its best. But believe whatever you want you're own people fool you time and again my friend.

      Freddie - 2012-05-23 14:29

      Tamaranui, Empangeni is a dump. A filthy, dusty little excuse for a town. All that happens there on weekends are the long funeral processions of Aids victims being buried at the cemetary on the road in from Richard Bay. I fail to see how someone with such a limited outlook on life who lives in such a backwater and has no experience of the greater world out there can comment so vociferously on this forum, acting as though his limited knowledge and experience actually count for something. Wake up and open your mind to the world before trying to be a orator. (and for your info I have been all over Africa, Europe, USA and the Far East)

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:41

      Freddie, You speak about my home like this. Peter see how these Imbeciles comment.

      Loo - 2012-05-23 14:41

      You aren't even a true RSA citizen you littlw wimp.. yet you have the biggest mouth

      Nigel - 2012-05-23 14:42

      @ Freddie - smaller words, and draw some pictures....

      Freddie - 2012-05-23 14:56

      Tamaranui, speaking the truth does not make me an imbecile. I lived in Empangeni for 12 years, during my whole school education, so I know what I am talking about. I grew up and ventured into the big bad world, got an education and broadened my mind. You should try it sometime, it is enlightening.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:58

      @Tamaranui - Be the bigger person, i have to deal with Malavi10 inciting some kind genocide. But Im not going to stoop to his level

  • Martin - 2012-05-23 13:26

    he will have plenty of time to think about the painting when he draws pictures on his jail cells walls.Idiot!!!!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:29

      Keep on dreaming, We have a medal in mind for this Comrade.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:32

      @Tamaranui - Would explain why mdluli and co are still on paid suspension. You want to give medals to criminals

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:40

      Peter,,,,keep up with the article at hand if you can ???

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:50

      @Tamaranui - Yea ignore the real issues, well done round of applause to the one that cant defend them self any other way, but by telling me to stay on topic. You just proved you care about nothing else but a painting bravo, your comrades in the township should be proud of you, i mean what better way to celebrate the destruction of the painting than ignoring the poverty stricken, like i said the other day your selfish you only care about yourself because you have your RDP housing and your kids arent the ones affected by the lack of school books and terrible state of education

      Pieter - 2012-05-23 14:00

      @Tamaranui Why are you so racist?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:15

      2c, You know that this denomination of legal tender is no longer available for good reason it seems. I am NOT A RACIST. We want every RSA citizen living in Utopia. Seems some people in t6his Democracy don't want this...........These are worthy of my Hatred, Thanks.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:26

      @Tamaranui - We all want that, maybe not all but i guarantee you that. if the Government ran like it was suppose to REGARDLESS of color NONE OF THIS WOULD HAVE HAPPENED. Aim your hatred in an UNBIASED way if you are not racist, you only ever support one side

      Pieter - 2012-05-23 14:26

      @Tamaranui The same derogatory demands as yesterday? Still makes you racist.

      Freddie - 2012-05-23 14:34

      Tamaranui, Empangeni is a dump. A filthy, dusty little excuse for a town. All that happens there on weekends are the long funeral processions of Aids victims being buried at the cemetary on the road in from Richard Bay. I fail to see how someone with such a limited outlook on life who lives in such a backwater and has no experience of the greater world out there can comment so vociferously on this forum, acting as though his limited knowledge and experience actually count for something. Wake up and open your mind to the world before trying to be a orator. (and for your info I have been all over Africa, Europe, USA and the Far East)

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-23 14:46

      What about the "Pigs making Bacon" that where on a stand and visible to all? I liked them.

  • mark.j.vanrensburg - 2012-05-23 13:26

    Hey proffie, cool it with the turbo-twak!!

  • Derek - 2012-05-23 13:27

    Give that man a thlokwe beer and a government post!

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-23 13:29

    Small minded people...

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:33

      Keep on gulping the Evil nectar.....

      Peter - 2012-05-23 13:34

      @Tamaranui - Keep on living in your dream world

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:41

      Peter , Why are you Mr.Bean ??? Reading your comments , I now get the message. You are a feeble Joke.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 13:52

      Tama, you are a bigotted, hateful person, with double standards. The anc deserves morons like you. Too bad they have enough running the country.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:00

      @Tamaranui - Your argument is as poor as your comments. You continue to ignore the truth and act selfishly you care about no one since you have what you want, stuff the other millions of people hey?

  • Christian J Denyschen - 2012-05-23 13:29

    What a sad day or week in this country, the white man has no voice in his country anymore. We cant even voice our opinion on people who is suppose to run the country be it in bad taste. What you guys don't understand who felt offended by the painting is that the painting also spoke for u, when you sit in your shack or where ever you are and there is poverty around you ask yourself what has zuma done to better your live? It is a sad sad story when one would stand up and fight for someone els at the expense of yourself. what you need to remember is you voted him into power he works for you, who do you think pays his salary? he is not the king of all land he is here to serve the public his employers.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:58

      Unfortunately this Insult is a result of some detractors taking advantage of our Democracy. "" The White man has No voice"""....Do you actually believe this statement. Seems anyone insulting the Dignity of any RSA citizen should be hauled over the coals for this. Our Prsident is not here to indulge the detractors hatred for the New RSA.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:09

      @Tamaranui - the only insult to Democracy is you that doesnt care about anyone but yourself. You like to use the words "WE", "US" but when it comes to other people its "ME". Have your day and continue acting in your racist ways. Eventually the truth will seek you out, just you wait. Selfishness will get you no where in life, whether they are black, white or asian as long as you can make it "seem" like you are fighting a worthy cause, but when the government needs to do something or fails as they often do, you remain silent. Its time you woke up and realized there is more to life than holding this grudge and racist view of yours

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:30

      You know Peter in my Schooling career you could set the time twice a month when teh ""Blackjacks"" would kick down our front door home and remove my dad for days at a time. Even though I had hatred before I am educated enough to know for RSA to progress we can not behave like this in this Democratic country. What is important to remember is that responsibility and respect are included in this Democracy and that is what some detractors need to learn.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 14:43

      @Tamaranui - I was born post apartheid, yes in 89 so technically not but that doesnt change the fact that i never experienced what it was like to live in the heart of apartheid times. I sympathize and im sorry that you and your family were treated like criminals, but you need to forgive and forget. That time is now long passed, the scars are there but that does not mean that they cannot be covered. In order to progress this whole racial grouping thing needs to come to and end. Im sick of it. What Murray did was insulting Im sure everyone has by now realized that the black community is upset, but it wasnt me or any of my friends that did it. It was an individuals act not that of all white people. Remember Detractors come any many shapes, forms and RACES. Murray needs to live with the guilt of offending possibly millions, but thats now his issue, he will suffer in his own ways whether you can see it physically or not. Justice is not killing or imprisoning. Its the guilt that you have to live with for the rest of your life

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:51

      Peter, was born in the Seventies my boy. I have no hatred for anyone based on their Culture or Race. It is instances like this that expose people's agendas. This Murray character surely could do something progressive for this country howeevr he chooses this route and many here are in favour. This exposes the people's real feelings. I have lived half my life in another country and I can safely say we are a hundred years away from a liberal progressive society.

      Peter - 2012-05-23 15:00

      @Tamaranui - but that doesnt mean that we are all like this. There are 50 Million people in SA its inevitable that there will be people that dont agree with you. It takes a big person to ignore the idiots

  • Rob - 2012-05-23 13:30

    The fact that he used the word "white" proves he is the racist.

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-23 13:49

      Ah, but the other race loves it. Lets go and deface all art, even those in the apartheid museum.

      Hector - 2012-05-23 14:15

      paulmandlankosi - said "He is a herom to many of us, give him bells" Herom ??? wtf is that some type of bird .. Bells ?? like the drink ... ? or the type you ring ?

  • rikhoula.joy - 2012-05-23 13:30

    Give that man a Hug

  • Wayne - 2012-05-23 13:31

    defaced and de-speared At the end of the day art should not provoke political debate of this sort. im sure the artist new that this will be the outcome of displaying such work. This is South Africa by the way

      Loo - 2012-05-23 13:40

      What do you mean .. ?? .. Art has been a political voice since the dead sea was only still sick mate.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 14:01

      perhaps you should deface and de-spear Ayanda Mabulu's work as well. FYI... its been around for two years. Never heard of it? Ask your ANC why they quiet about that painting. http://worldart.co.za/uploads/media/CT%20review8Nov2010.pdf

  • Loo - 2012-05-23 13:31

    Not an insensitive creation he said .. an insensitive WHITE creation... FFS ,, so if it was done by a black person it would have been fine ???!!!

      Ursula - 2012-05-23 13:38

      hahahaaaa. Loo. most probably, but it was unfortunatly not. Its a CIRCUS.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 13:53

      IT WAS DONE BY A BLACK PERSON! But hey, if a black person makes art depicting leaders and elders with their cocks out, i guess it isn't disrespectful. Only when a white does it. If you can only play the race card, you are one lame player.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 14:04

      it was done by a black person before... but it was ok... worse (if you of the morally defensible kind), but ok (",) http://worldart.co.za/news/

  • Freddy - 2012-05-23 13:31

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha girlpants

  • Vicky - 2012-05-23 13:32

    Our president is black. Some of the people in our country are white. When you don't agree with what he does, it might be because like in any country, people sometimes don't agree with their president, not because of any racial motivation.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-05-23 13:35

      But not here, we are so racially divided here, even a blind Vicky can see. No pretence

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:43

      Try to Justify this insult with a weak argument,

  • Shirley Van Heerden - 2012-05-23 13:33

    Good Golly guys!! It is a picture!! there are far worse things to rant and rave about- the death toll on the roads, no meds in hospital, taxes killing us, petrol price!! the damn thing is damaged and removed, the gallery is closed. Can we move on already??

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 13:45

      Lets have you up there exposed in a Gallery..... Answer Honestly if you can.....Would this be good for yous ??? People never learn to walk a mile in the victim's shoes before realizing the angst caused.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:53

      Cannabis head, I don't discuss facts with Druggies

      Cannabinoid - 2012-05-23 15:02

      Don't judge anything you know nothing of(which sounds like everything)Do you even know what a cannabinoid is? I bet you did'nt know that every single human being is born with cannabinoids in their DNA! SO there you go ignorant fool, everybody including you are drug addicts as you put it Like i said if you have the balls BRING IT ON! oh but wait who all just talk.

  • Koos - 2012-05-23 13:33

    When I walk in the spot, this is what I see Everybody stops and they staring at me I got a passion in my pants and I ain't afraid to show it, show it, show it, show it I'm Jacob and I know it [x2] Yeah When I'm at the mall, security just can't fight them off And when I'm at the beach, I'm in a Speedo trying to tan my cheeks This is how I roll, come on ladies it's time to go We headed to the bar, baby don't be nervous No shoes, no shirt, and I still get serviced When I walk in the spot, this is what I see Everybody stops and they staring at me I got a passion in my pants and I ain't afraid to show it, show it, show it, show it I'm Jacob and I know it [x2] If this isn't JZ's theme song I don't know what is. GIVE THE MAN A SHOWER!

      randomhero6661 - 2012-05-23 13:52

      you have bad taste in music as well.

      Koos - 2012-05-23 14:28

      Never said I liked it. Just bored besides the rest of the world knows Zuma and they are laughing at him so why can’t I?

  • Freddy - 2012-05-23 13:34

    Look you blacks are so sensitive hateful and Rasist no wonder things are going so bad in our poor ftup country.

      mark.willemse - 2012-05-23 13:47

      Man I am so sick of this racist BS! 18 years on an still everything wrong is thanks to APARTHEID or RACISM. FFS its pathetic!!!

      randomhero6661 - 2012-05-23 13:52

      i know blacks that are smarter than you! by a long shot!

      mark.willemse - 2012-05-23 13:56

      You might just Hero. Although it would seem my friend that you are not. Where did smarts ever come into this post?

      Matthew - 2012-05-23 14:21

      Guys,why fight each other? yes theres still racism in this country...No sh*t.everyone knows that.it comes from all sides.in my experiance,more so the african people of SA,using it quite blindy and without thinking or as a last card (and this in my experiance,so chill before jumping the gun) But to say its one side or the other is nonsense.we all have to accept that it comes from all over.Otherwise like Mark.willemse said,this will never end,our country will get worse and worse and we will never move on to better days.the saddest part of it,is how it has consumed our polotics. Mark,you must agree on that surely? All i see is the race card being pulled anywhere and everywhere,when people cant be bothered to think properly as to resolving political matters.its sad and childish and has become a mindset everywhere that will destroy our democracy at one point or the other =/ I mean,i mentioned earlier,"from my experience" let me say my 2cents on that.I was born towards the end of the apartheid and was brought up to be colour blind in the sense.i dont see people of colours,but just people.it ends there.If i take a knife and cut my friend s hand (Zola),and she takes a knife and cuts mine,we both see that our blood is the same.Red,south african.different history's sure,but the same blood.hope that made sense like it does to me.But the thing then is,i've never had hatred of anyone else for their colour,culture or birthplace so on and etc.My first girlfriend was called Nkosi.

      randomhero6661 - 2012-05-23 14:27

      @mark, "look you blacks" it would appear me and you suffer from the same ill fate? the key emphasis here is the word "blacks" then the generalizing of "blacks" which in-turn bring a generalized opinion of "whites".

      mark.willemse - 2012-05-23 15:32

      Matthew it has nothing to do with hatred and that is my point exactly. It has to do with what is happening to this country, with what we pay taxes for. We are "goverened" by a bunch of corrupt criminals and that has nothing to do with Racism. You could be pink for all I care.

  • john.radebe - 2012-05-23 13:36

    2 wrong things happened yesterday...leaders must be sober and not emotional, must be careful in their utterances, otherwise there will be violence...respect of private property is necessary. What was done by those gentlemen is absolutely wrong. We have courts, let's leave the matter to them, they knw how to handle this.

  • rosiegracebrooks - 2012-05-23 13:36

    This dude is COOKED.

  • javas.nkambule - 2012-05-23 13:36

    Great work La Grange...U r a great man!!!

      Michael - 2012-05-23 15:56

      Yeah, next we must go to Rome and deface the statue of David. After all that has to be anti-semitic!

      Michael - 2012-05-23 15:57

      And lets not forget the Mona Lisa, that has to be degrading to women, lets go to the louvre next!

  • Ryno - 2012-05-23 13:37

    the anc now has 2 things that will always be thrown back at us: apartheid AND The Painting...

  • mphotant.thelejane - 2012-05-23 13:38

    Can't the court let the Prof and his accomplice go home spend time with their families. We acknowledge damaged portrait as well as the actions by Murray and that alone is sufficient to engage the citizen on cultural tolerance and racial dialogue as such I applaud all parties involved for evoking such a healthy dialogue. I am not personal about this and do love interaction with all other members of the outgroup, perhaps its because I am raised in Port Elizabeth where there are limited racial lines...

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-23 13:39

    "Bare-end" la Grange starts by saying he wanted to deracialize the painting and he ends with “Only Jesus can be naked on the cross. You can't do that to President Zuma,” said La Grange a nutjob (no pun intended) par exellance

  • George - 2012-05-23 13:41

    The white people ARE sensitive; They are sensitive to racism (AA, BEE, BBBEE, etc, etc) White genocide perpetrated with impunity by only one sector of the population Taxation without representation, Need I go on. The painting, if anything was a very subdued form of political protest compared to what might still come. The ancestors are very angry and the tokoloshe is visiting many people. Watch and see.

      onlineivan - 2012-05-23 18:27

      NOW is the time to focus on what we have in common. NOW is the time to share our gifts with each other. NOW is the time to listen to real people instead of the media. NOW is the time, the chance, our moment to be free… and that can only be true if we are all together. There are no differences between us, only diversity. There is no Us and Them. There is only one as it has and always will be,. We only have the choice of realizing Unity or the Illusion of separation. We are one. NOW more than ever before.

  • sthembiso.msindo - 2012-05-23 13:41

    Can we forget about this picture and focus on Mdluli and Cele plz.

      Felix - 2012-05-23 13:46

      Plus the e-toll saga.

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 14:06

      perhaps that is why the ANC is making such a big boohaa about this issue. Deflects attention away from the real issues. They certainly never complained when ol Jacobs tool was previously painted. http://worldart.co.za/news/

  • george.frangs - 2012-05-23 13:41

    This guy fails at racism... what a chop. The worst kind of racist is the racist that hates his own race... A reverse Uncle Ruckus guys? Amirite guys? Guise?

  • tebza.ngoatoana - 2012-05-23 13:42

    Okay, whats done is done..we saw JZ's penis and a white man painted on it..its fair n square...back to pressing issues now shall we...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 14:27

      Thank you!!!

  • Jonathan - 2012-05-23 13:43

    I think zuma is just upset because the artist made his penis so small

  • taryn.tavares - 2012-05-23 13:45

    Really what a load of rubbish this whole thing is. There are so many problems in the country yet these people are worried about a painting. Get a life. The comment re the painter being white is also pathetic,what difference does it make. Really catch a wake up. I read this other interesting article showing an equally disrespectful painting of our president amongst others,there was no ho ha about this one. http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Ayanda-Mbulus-picture-of-Zuma-20120521 Come on. Start worrying about real problems like poverty, crime, the state of our hospitals, education facilities, fraud, corruption the list is endless.

      Nthabiseng - 2012-05-23 13:52

      i agree with u man,de are many thngz 2 wori abt.its jst a pantng let jst focus on important issue.ag mahn.

      mzi.magwaza - 2012-05-23 13:57

      Mxm y white paint black poverty u the one started whites y dont u paint de klek o hellen zille then we gona see

  • wagrobbelaar - 2012-05-23 13:47

    Here's his "blog" - interesting read, http://www.elections2009.co.za/

  • rtrecia - 2012-05-23 13:47

    I wonder why the security guard did not attacked the white man but the black dude.stupid guard

      Felix - 2012-05-23 14:17

      Because the OLD man willingly let the guards put cuffs on him. Your silly racial bias is showing.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-05-23 15:10

      The security guard was a bit heavy handed with the B dude. He head butted him and threw him to the floor.

      rtrecia - 2012-05-23 15:40

      no comment @Felix

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 13:48

    Ag jissis, you see what these religious people do. What right does he have to destroy a creation of someone, which happens to be his livelihood. Only jesus can be naked on the cross... what-the-f**k-ever

      eil33nn - 2012-05-23 13:53

      And Jesus is not on the cross either...he raised from the grave and sits at the Lords right hand, if i am not mistaken?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 14:28

      Neither exist, so.... whatever you want to believe is up to you...

      dewaal.cloete - 2012-05-23 14:37

      Oh someone missed a few hugs..

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-05-23 15:29

      Nope, i had a very loving childhood :)

      Carol - 2012-05-24 16:05

      You are a SICK person - go back on your meds !!!

  • willybegood - 2012-05-23 13:48

    http://worldart.co.za/news/ then this must be what an insensitive black person's creation must look like. How about defacing that? No? Its two years old already and not a word in protest from our moral, cultural and race police ... aka ANC.

  • Charlie - 2012-05-23 13:48

    Good ol' christian boy...

  • Mashudu - 2012-05-23 13:50

    Thank you kindly Barend la Grange & Lowie Mabokela.

  • JevonMarshallJohnson - 2012-05-23 13:51

    Why was the other FAR FAR worse painting not defaced then??? Black Artist maybe?

      Phenyo - 2012-05-23 14:01

      U sound racist

      willybegood - 2012-05-23 14:08

      good question... but i doubt you will get a rational response. http://worldart.co.za/news/

      Bheki Nas - 2012-05-23 14:23

      only whites are known of defacing...any kind of arts dats nt a black thing..

  • Deon - 2012-05-23 13:52

    I can not wait for Pieter Dirk Uys new show: Adapt or fly, hope no painters dislike his new puppet: "Kidi Amin". This is after all art.

  • Chris - 2012-05-23 13:53

    '“Only Jesus can be naked on the cross. You can't do that to President Zuma,” said La Grange.' That sounds like a challenge to me...

  • Sagren - 2012-05-23 13:54

    defacing the painting, will not change the negative perceptions of Zuma. Zuma did it himself.

  • Craig - 2012-05-23 13:54

    Frikking nut case!

  • Dale - 2012-05-23 13:55

    you know what the funny thing is. Nearly everyone was saying that this is racist and damn these white people. Its funny that now everyone is calling Barend a Comrade and a hero. two faced!!! all of you!!!

      Phenyo - 2012-05-23 13:59

      I couldnt hv said it beta!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:05

      We dislike the Old Apartheid Trash B*st*rds.... We love the new improved South Africans like Rev. Grange here. Detractors learn from this Elder, this Icon of RSA, This Patriot ,Gentleman and Scholar how to behave with Respect.

      Dale - 2012-05-23 14:16

      I'm sure most people disliked apartheid. But instead of just letting it go. Its thrown back in the people faces, the people that didnt have anything to do with. You say Old apartheid cause there is a new one headed our way. But its just that the roles have been changed

      christiaan.h.jacobs - 2012-05-23 15:07

      Dale, the worst part of it all is that this blatant racism is condoned by the rest of the world under the guise of so-called democracy and freedom. The ANC is the ''hero'' and now everyone just turns a blind eye to what really is happening. The majority is now protecting themselves from the MINORITY by using BEE, BBBEE etc and that is nothing different from a reverse kind of apartheid.

  • Neville - 2012-05-23 13:56

    We need to do nation building from all side , first it was Malema and certian sections did not like what he did, now it is this stupid thing done by adults and some people agree , We must ask our children at school who try so hard to make it work to educate the adults ,

  • Theo - 2012-05-23 13:56

    AH, A "CHRISTIAN" FRUIT LOOP.SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.ALSO JESUS WAS'NT NAKED ON THE CROSS WAS HE?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:06

      Tell us Please....

  • neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-23 13:58

    The ANC is very insensitive over the murdering of white people in SA

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:06

      Opinion, Not a bright one however an opinion anyway.

      Felix - 2012-05-23 14:19

      Coming from you Tambluzulu, that is a major compliment.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-23 14:33

      First I was Tsotsi then Vinesh now tambluzulu............ I am Victor for Victory ...yes.

  • Plato Pravda - 2012-05-23 14:01

    @Jevon - I agree, the other painting far worse, but as you correctly pointed out, the 'colour' of the artist a different hue, hence no hue and cry from our 'esteemed leaders'!!

  • albert.deklerk2 - 2012-05-23 14:04

    As an old shool friend of mine pointed out so eloquently on his Facebook page- poverty, unemployment, crime, protests gone wrong etc. You'd think that there would be more important things that need national attention than the president's penis. Sadly not.

  • mohumahadi - 2012-05-23 14:04

    He said that it felt right to deface “an insensitive creation by a white person”.(i quote)

      PointBlank - 2012-05-23 14:26

      yes \A whiteperson\ singular.. Not the entire white population the ANC has turned this into..