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Anger at teachers sleeping with pupils

2012-02-14 10:13

Durban - Three high school teachers in Mtubatuba, KwaZulu-Natal, have allegedly been involved in sexual relationships with pupils, the Sowetan reported on Tuesday.

Esiqiwini High School parents and pupils are threatening to take "action" if the teachers were not expelled. Mtubatuba residents have been trying to get the provincial education department to investigate the allegations since 2009.

Last year, a teacher paid "damages" to a matric girl's parents after he admitted having fathered her child, the newspaper reported.

This was after a local crime prevention organisation investigated the allegations and found them to be true.

The school's governing body chairperson Eliazah Ntshangase confirmed that a pupil is currently raising a child fathered by a teacher.

KwaZulu-Natal education department spokesperson Sihle Mlotshwa said the department is aware of the allegation.

"The district has asked the said teacher to make a statement and a decision will be taken as informed by the facts presented to the district," he told the Sowetan.

Comments
  • AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 10:22

    This disgusting reality has been going on for decades - these filthy pigs need to be in jail not teaching children!

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 10:26

      These girls are lured with promises of 'good marks' and lavished with gifts and attention ... this is nothing but criminal.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-14 11:03

      Funny how voters fall into the same trap. Vote for us and you will get a house. Vote for us and we will eliminate poverty. So it actually all starts at school??

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 11:56

      Marais Van den Berg - February 14, 2012 at 11:48 Both the 'South African Schools Act' as well as the 'South African Council of Educators Act' deem it a criminal offence for a teacher to have intercourse with a pupil from the same school, irrespective of the learner's age or whether it was consensual or not

      Bryan - 2012-02-14 13:35

      "They are lured with promises of good marks and lavished with gifts and attention".... So that means they are prostituting themselves for personal gain!! Lock them all up I say..!!

      Patrick - 2012-02-14 14:20

      A teacher asked student, What is the full form of Maths? The student answered, 'Mentaly Affected Teachers Harrasing Students'

      Sean - 2012-02-15 21:58

      This is common in Africa !! That is a fact !

      Sipho - 2012-02-16 04:10

      On the bus da other day, I heard some dude bragging that he slept with his teacher when he was at school. Then a bit later I hear him say he was home-schooled!!!!

  • Marion - 2012-02-14 10:23

    Are our 'teachers' not taught that school children are out of bounds? How can one expel a teacher? Surely teachers should be dismissed? Once you have accepted 'damages' can you still demand the teachers 'expulsion'? Why has this dragged on for three years? More questions than answers. "Hey, teachers, leave our kids alone!"

      Tulani - 2012-02-14 10:35

      i matriculated in 2006, in my school the teacher was dating my GF's frnd and that worried me, & i asked ma GF y cnt she stop her frnd, she told me that it's her frnd who's after the teacher.

      MSGRule - 2012-02-14 11:08

      @Tulani - please use all the letters available to complete the words as it is difficult to read.

      Marion - 2012-02-14 11:13

      Tulani, I don't doubt that there are kids who chase after their teachers (I'm sure we all had crushes on at least one teacher at some time) but the teachers are supposed to have the self-discipline to say 'no', you are my student and I will not cross that line. I think it's called professional ethics.

      Zulumfana - 2012-02-14 13:36

      We are fully aware of the legislations Marion (Employment of Educators Act 76 of 1998, SACE 31 of 2000). Its a selected few who have no regard for our learners and some parents who sell with their kids' souls to make ends meet at home. Pernalities are harsh...sleep around with school kids and face the axe, provided there in enough evidence.

      cathygradwell.naude - 2012-02-15 08:01

      How about leave our kids alone and keep your back to the wall in jail. Jail is exactly were these deviants belong. The minute it is reported / discovered it should be investigated and acted upon. You are quite right Marion; the teacher(s) concerned should be in their second year of a lifelong sentence by now! Disgusting!

  • laurentia.hodge - 2012-02-14 10:24

    Don't just blame the teachers! It takes 2 to tango...I don't see any reports of rape.... Expell the kids as well!!! The parents should rather focus their energy on raising kids with good values.

      Colin - 2012-02-14 10:32

      Hi Laurentia, I have to agree with the sentiment that children should be reared in a way that helps to think for themselves using a basis of good values as determining factors. However there is much to be said for the experience of an adult and the amount of influence he or she can exert over a teenager. In many cases children idolize their teachers as the very thing they wish to be, due to at that stage mostly not having been exposed to too much else. In cases like these, one should suggest counselling for the child and the family, and deal with the adult involved. At the end of the day, say what you like, the adult is the one who can be held accountable for his actions in this scenario.

      laurentia.hodge - 2012-02-14 10:48

      Hi Colin, Point taken. Sure the adult should have known better and yes, they should take responsibility for their actions. But the same goes for the kids - you have done something wrong - now face the consequences.

      arlene.levitan - 2012-02-14 12:43

      It takes 2 tango, is that what all the sexual predators say? A teacher has power over a pupil and is therefore responsible for the relationship with his/her pupils. Also I believe at least one of the girls is facing the consequences and raising a baby.

      Marcell - 2012-02-14 13:06

      African culture. Pay damages and everything is sharp.

      Zulumfana - 2012-02-14 13:44

      When we register with SACE (South African Council for Educators) all teachers are fully aware of the SACE code of conduct and concequences there of. The teachers in this case have broken the law and the result is the dismissal while the child will be exempted in any charges.

      amelia.vandermerwe1 - 2012-02-14 15:15

      You know what, some of our Parents do educate our children, en discipline at home are also being implemented. Do not talk of something you don't know. Some of us Parents has been there, gone through that, and let me tell you, it was no picnic. 2 to tango ????? do you have any children ?

      Schmee - 2012-02-15 10:39

      No matter how well you raise your kids with good values, they will still sometimes make stupid choices. Most of us as kids have had a crush on a teacher at some time or another. Fortunately most teachers know not to act on it. One of my son’s friends once had a crush on me; did I take him to bed? No, I'm mature enough to put him in his place. So I put the blame squarely on the teachers having low morals.

  • Running - 2012-02-14 10:25

    unbelievable...makes me want to just run away...

      reza.daniels1 - 2012-02-14 10:41

      Start running...............

      jowza1 - 2012-02-14 11:00

      do you always run away from your problems

      Charlotte - 2012-02-14 11:49

      someone please get jowza some dip for the chip on his shoulder...

      Nina - 2012-02-14 12:51

      @jowza1....lol relax....really?

  • Mpho - 2012-02-14 10:27

    Finally parents are standing up and doing something instead of just complaining in their homes.

  • Paula - 2012-02-14 10:27

    It takes two to tango...A matricuant should have some sort of sense of what is wrong or right.She probably invited the live demonstartion of biology in action...No word of force or rape it was consentual so parents tackle your kids as much as the teahers

      lenandiv - 2012-02-14 10:57

      That might be true, but a teacher is a professional and the adult in this scenario. There is NO excuse for a sexual relationship between teacher and pupil!!!!!!

      Philip - 2012-02-14 14:43

      Yes but it's OK for male to sleep with male, this world is F@%$ed up. Keep your legs closed and it won't happen!!!!

  • Andrew Sheppard - 2012-02-14 10:31

    Sickos!!

  • Susan - 2012-02-14 10:33

    If you let me score i will let you score...(lol)

      amelia.vandermerwe1 - 2012-02-14 15:18

      On the dot Susan, this is what really happens

  • Dickson - 2012-02-14 10:40

    You cant take action against these schools? You voted ANC you get ANC! Live with it!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-22 00:46

      Reading through the comments I was wondering when this was going to turn into a politicle thing.. I was not dit disappoointed. My take on this is that with sex guidance classes(which is in the corriculum) as well as the biology classes are inclined to make senior students (grade10 to 12) a bit horny and raises the desire to experiment. What better reason than to seduce a teacher. And then there is mother nature to spur them on. It's perhaps not right but I can't blame either party. The kids have to learn about the birds and the bees but that should be a parents job.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-02-14 10:42

    If the child is younger than 16 surely its statory rape?

      Deon - 2012-02-14 11:23

      Correct, but the matric pupil was probably at least 18.

      Mike - 2012-02-14 12:46

      Or 25, Deon...

  • Tammy - 2012-02-14 10:43

    Hello Aids!

  • desertratbkf - 2012-02-14 10:44

    Nothing short of savagery!

      Ken - 2012-02-14 21:04

      I could not agree with you more.

  • STYLEbudd - 2012-02-14 10:49

    There is nothing new under the sun.....

  • Michael - 2012-02-14 10:52

    How many of us had crushes on teachers? I certainly did... I used to dream of them! It has been there for a while... The teachers though are supposed to be RESPONSIBLE ADULTS and need to exercise far more restraint EVEN IF the students are hitting on them PS. Brett u r an idiot!

      jowza1 - 2012-02-14 11:01

      i agree with you on both points michael

      Brett - 2012-02-14 11:11

      No, I'm not an idiot. An idiot is a person who either chooses to ignore reality, or cannot perceive it. A bit like the nerd who has the hots for his gym teacher...

      Michelle - 2012-02-14 11:33

      The difference Michael between then and now is not many of us would have DARED make a move on the teacher. On the otherhand I do find is disconcerting that teachers are taking advantage of their students instead of taking the moral high ground.

  • Shirley - 2012-02-14 10:54

    This is the sordid reality of todays world. I dod feel parents should be more involved and observant as some of the signs are visable. This should also be a lesson to encourage children to be more open and trusting of the parents,as most parents today-due to both parents working dont have a clue what is going on in their childrens lives!Lock these vile predators away!

  • Thokozane - 2012-02-14 10:55

    These teachers are no different to rapists. I miss the good old days when teachers inspired hope in pupils, nowadays thety destroy it. I went to a township school, and we had very dedicated teachers who took their jobs very seriously. Thinking about the future of our kids is a daunting task, kids having kids in school seems to be the norm these days. Lock these teachers up and throw away the keys.

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 11:05

      Agree 100% Thokozane - these teachers are not fit to be teaching and should be arrested and jailed for child abuse.

      Marais Van den Berg - 2012-02-14 11:20

      Well put! I concur fully!

  • Marais Van den Berg - 2012-02-14 10:57

    As a high school teacher conversant with all the relevant legislation, I wish to say the following: upon the first allegations, the police should have investigated the matter, as it is a criminal offence for a teacher to have (even concensual) intercourse with a pupil. Ironically, if the pupil is over 16 and not from the same school as the pupil, there is no problem. Then, the matter should also have been investigated by the Provincial Dept of Education as well as the South African Council of Educators. WHY did this not happen? I've really had it with the bad apples dragging the name of dedicated teachers through the mud! We're supposed to care for our charges, not take advantage of them. And to those that say 'it takes two to tango': a teacher should neither invite, nor accept an invitation to 'tango'.

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 11:15

      Thanks for that Marais - I did not have the facts but could not imagine it was legal! Beggars belief that no action has been taken - shame on that headmaster!

      Marion - 2012-02-14 11:18

      Well said Marais. There are many dedicated teachers out there but, sadly, it is human nature to pick up on the vrot apples and then label the entire basket of apples as vrot. Even if those students are 21 and hitting on the teacher the teacher must learn to say NO.

      criticallyhonest - 2012-02-14 12:36

      You raise what I presume is alegal perspective...that it is no problem if the teacher and pupil (over 16) are from different schools. Maybe it is not unlawful, but surely it is not ok! In fact such an approach is a part of the root problem. Such behaviour sets the standard, and is reinforced because the teacher is supposedly a guiding principle for young people. Teacher's behaviour therefore should be beyond reproach. Perhaps not realistically attainable but certainly something to strive towards.

      Marais Van den Berg - 2012-02-14 13:03

      @Criticallyhonest: thanks for your comment. I question why the whole Dept. and Police force was not all over the case when first reported in 2009. And then I point out the irony in the legislation. According to the relevant acts, it's a crime if a teacher abuses the 'learner-teacher power relationship' to force a learner into intercourse. As far as I'm concerned, sex between a teacher and a pupil, no matter whether they're from different schools, is immoral and contributes to the low esteem in which the teaching profession is currently held in SA. Such teachers should lose their licenses and be jailed for a very long time.

  • Thoka - 2012-02-14 11:01

    I thought having sex with a minor is a punishable offence regardless of proffesion, sick

      Ntsigo Max Nito - 2012-02-14 11:15

      minors are under the age of 16, im sure these teachers dont go for minors

  • Eeny Meeny Miney Mo - 2012-02-14 11:02

    Oh the idiots are out blaming the ANC again. I'm by no means an ANC supporter but it's a bit stupid to blame them for Teachers sleeping with their students. Kids are easily mislead and we read about kids being 'groomed' by paedophiles. These are teachers who are taking advantage of young ppl and they should lose their jobs. They have a duty of care and have grossly failed. Action should be taken against these teachers.

      Michelle - 2012-02-14 11:37

      I think the implication is that under the current govt there does not seem to be much control of the teachers, they are unqualified, don't come to work, etc. and therefore the lack of discipline filters into all aspects, therefore people are blaming the ANC

      Chyreene - 2012-02-15 14:33

      @Eeny Meeny Miney Mo: You are the idiot if you don't see that the indictment on the ANC was for the fact that under the ANC government nothing is done about the situation and the teacher is continually allowed to teach at the school.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-02-14 11:04

    Freakin dogs! This country's value system is rotten to the core!!

  • Jayne - 2012-02-14 11:05

    How is this even almost alright? They have known about this since 2009 and are only taking a statement now????? Sigh of despair..... is this country ever going to come right????

  • Vusumuzi Sibisi - 2012-02-14 11:06

    the dept.has to dismiss them because people do not want 2 listen

  • Annemarie - 2012-02-14 11:09

    o well, what's new? 'these people' (I know I'm generalising now...) have absolutely no morals.

      Duncan Thabiso Mphailane - 2012-02-14 19:06

      Which people are you talking about??

  • MSGRule - 2012-02-14 11:11

    Teachers are there to protect and nurture children. I agree it takes two but the teacher is responsible for not eliciting sex or on the other hand to to stop it happening in the first place. Immoral dogs!!!!

  • Phumi - 2012-02-14 11:12

    Another misleading article "Last year, a teacher paid "damages" to a matric girl's parents after he admitted having fathered her child, the newspaper reported." So which means that the child this year is no longer in school and presumably in tertiary. Besides according to our customs when you pay damages and the family accepts then that issue is settled between the two parties. Why should now this teacher be expelled for someone who have left school already and who clearly was not a minor at the time? This is just one of the teacher and nothing is said about the other two. As much as I love to hate Sadtu but I feel that they are needed in this instance to defend the defenseless!

      Vermie - 2012-02-14 11:50

      Hmmm The top did state that there were 3 teachers but since this is the first article, there will most likely be more with details as they are released to the media. As for the defenseless. Who? the adults who should have known better?

      Andre - 2012-02-14 11:54

      .....they live amongst us AND have a vote....scary!

  • Ntsigo Max Nito - 2012-02-14 11:13

    nothing can be done to stop this frm happening!school girls throw themselves at male teachers hoping for private lessons and free marks lol

      Sarah - 2012-02-15 00:58

      It's the teachers duty and responsibility to say no. We as human beings have self control and can make a cognitive decision about what is right and wrong. It's sad these girls feel they have to sell themselves like that, but really the teachers should set them right.

  • darinjgraham - 2012-02-14 11:14

    This teacher is probs our future president.

  • Julie - 2012-02-14 11:15

    Sick society we live in...

  • braamc - 2012-02-14 11:18

    Scum. Statuary rape, fathering babies with kids. Other side of the story the girls whorish?

  • Aiyo - 2012-02-14 11:21

    This is why corporal punishment should not be abolished. Spanking is better than Shagging...

  • Rossellini - 2012-02-14 11:23

    How about creating a rule on humans wanting to study in becoming a Teacher/Lectors/Dosente/Prinsipals giving them lisences. Making it clear that when giving lessons to pupils,student from the age 0-50 years your lisences will be determinded (if you get horny of a temp to have sexual interaction with the learner ). If you study in Becoming a Doctor you know the hash rules and regulation in doing something stupid and if you know the sport cricket and its rules wouldnt you say teacher should bemade 'n voorbeeld of from once in the New South Africa...ps if you spot any spelling erro!!!!! Its valentines day so enjoy your day.

      Marais Van den Berg - 2012-02-14 11:55

      The South African Council of Educators issue teaching licenses. You have to be registered with SACE in order to teach at any level up to university in South Africa. Should you be found guilty of serious misconduct, such as in this case, this license can be revoked, and said teacher may not teach again in SA. That is in addition to any other legal penalty/sentence imposed for the offence.

  • Zizi - 2012-02-14 11:25

    Similar to male nurses, what can I say "Let's teach our duaghters to be aware of these barbarians"

  • Randy - 2012-02-14 11:25

    Thoka, minors? some of the 'kids' are in their 20's

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 11:52

      Randy - makes no difference - it is still not allowed - if she is in the same school as the teacher. Problem is Heads of these schools are not pressing charges.

  • Ryan - 2012-02-14 11:26

    Statutory Rape is a criminal offence punshible by many years in prison not just expulsion and a fine. WTF!

      Chyreene - 2012-02-15 14:56

      It's not statutory rape if she is over 16

  • Herbert - 2012-02-14 11:28

    This is bad !!!! When do they do their homework!!!

      Susan - 2012-02-14 12:34

      Herbert i think this is a dumb question,, they don't need to!!

  • Xzaviera - 2012-02-14 11:28

    Oooooh - I have a 15 year old boy! Some teacher's gonna GET DEAD if she crosses my son's path! This is sick. People are polluted!

  • Herbert - 2012-02-14 11:30

    So now we have KZN, and Limpopo. Seven to go to proof how rotten the role-models have become!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-22 01:05

      @ Herbet.. your maths is wrong! Not 7 to go. Only 5 1/2. Lets not make this political.

  • Rossellini - 2012-02-14 11:30

    And in becoming parents its better to learn your child(rens) dissipline in home like our parents did in the old days...om te verwag dat iemand ander tyd maak vir jou kind omdat jy te bussy is om die wereld te besaai en die fools aandag te gee wat weet wat aangaan in die wereld(better focus on more's leaders in standing for something positive and followers that can lead by example).

  • Lucky Manaswe - 2012-02-14 11:33

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all against teachers sleeping with learners is morally wrong but since we live in a country were the law and constitution takes priority I just want to find out from you guys if is there any law that forbids teachers to engage in sexual relationship with learners? I'm talking about over 16 years girls. If there is no law, on what grounds will they dismiss them and if there is law in place then jail them.

      Marais Van den Berg - 2012-02-14 11:48

      Both the 'South African Schools Act' as well as the 'South African Council of Educators Act' deem it a criminal offence for a teacher to have intercourse with a pupil from the same school, irrespective of the learner's age or whether it was consensual or not.

      Marion - 2012-02-14 12:23

      @Lucky ... for anyone in a position of influence or power to be having sex with someone in a subordinate position is always unacceptable. That would result in 'sexual harassment' charges in the workplace to say the very least. Doctors may not have sex with their patients so why would teachers be allowed to have sex with their pupils?

      Pride Matutle - 2012-02-14 12:56

      law or not teachers can not look at school kids in that way. most of the kids in high school they still on adolescent stage...hai no this is sick

  • Vincent - 2012-02-14 11:35

    Unless strong , firm and immediate action is taken by the Education authorities to stamp out this behaviour, it will continue. We need action now. Actions speak louder than words

  • jjlambrechts - 2012-02-14 11:40

    Heading should read: Teachers not on strike, getting laid instead

  • Emma - 2012-02-14 11:40

    This is child abuse. So sad.

  • Herbert - 2012-02-14 12:01

    So glad this article was written in English and not Afrikaans! Imagine a comment "Wat was jou beste vak op skool" !!!!!!!!!!!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-22 01:12

      @ Herbet.. LOL.. I'm sure some did not catch your humour. Ek dink nie hulle is toe nie, maar hul mag 'n bietjie te vinnig oor jou kommentaar lees.

  • Carl - 2012-02-14 12:14

    "Last year, a teacher paid "damages" to a matric girl's parents after he admitted having fathered her child, the newspaper reported." Pre-mature lebola?

      Marion - 2012-02-14 12:25

      Lobola is paid for the bride and 'damages' is paid for any kids that arise out of the union before marriage.

      Marcell - 2012-02-14 13:13

      That is the reason why it is ok. The parents get the bucks and the girl gets a grant.

  • Gordon - 2012-02-14 12:23

    It seem that it is not only the pass rate that is dropping, some pants as well!!

  • Francois Shannon Ackermann - 2012-02-14 12:28

    Today's teachers "suck"?!?!

      Herbert - 2012-02-14 12:38

      I think some of the pupils too !!!!!

  • Tandas - 2012-02-14 12:37

    Brings new meaning to outcum based education...

      Marion - 2012-02-14 13:00

      lol... Some outcomes are more noticeable than others...

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-22 01:15

      LOL.. I love this humour when everybody is so serious

  • Tshwarelo Mungoni - 2012-02-14 12:39

    Its no excuse but I still say girls shud be wearing skirts that hit their knees to scare off these Monsters!!!and on the school's side,Teachers's appointments must be seriously scrutinized by their schools and as for the Government,the statutory rape law must be used effectively bcos most of this Teachers get away with it and Parents u must also teach ur kidz about this Law!!!!

      Marion - 2012-02-14 13:02

      When we were at school the rules stated, just as they do today, that the skirt should touch the knee. As I recall, at Pretoria Girls High if your skirt was considered to be too short then you were made to kneel on the floor and a ruler used to measure the difference between the hem and the ground. Even as far back as the '70s girls were still hiking their skirts up. Not a new thing. What is new in my opinion is the number of teachers who are crossing the line with their students. Totally unacceptable.

      Alex - 2012-02-14 15:57

      I am confused!? What exactly does skirt length have to do with ANYTHING?

  • Tshwarelo Mungoni - 2012-02-14 12:47

    Its no excuse but I still say girls shud be wearing skirts that hit their knees to scare off these Monsters!!!and on the school's side,Teachers's appointments must be seriously scrutinized by their schools and as for the Government,the statutory rape law must be used effectively bcos most of this Teachers get away with it and Parents u must also teach ur kidz about this Law!!!!

      Vaaldonkie - 2012-02-14 14:51

      We should make a law that school girls must all be fat so the teachers don't find them attractive.

  • CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-14 12:48

    It is a CULTURE

      Marion - 2012-02-14 13:06

      Where is it a culture? In the USA where even female teachers have had illegal relationships with their students? It's not a cultural thing. It's a sex thing.

      Marcell - 2012-02-14 13:15

      In Africa it is a cultural thing. They(men) need to make sure the factory is in working condition. He is prepared to pay the damages and move on. Simple as that.

      Marion - 2012-02-14 15:15

      Ja, whatever.