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Animal slaughter should continue - rights group

2011-03-29 14:18

Johannesburg - Communities should continue to slaughter animals as a religious and cultural practice, the Commission on the Rights of Culture and Religion said on Tuesday.

Commission chairperson Wesley Mabuza said conflict between animal rights activists and traditionalists was brought about by a misunderstanding.

"They should listen to each other to understand one another," he said at the launch of guidelines on African ritual animal slaughter.

The commission researched animal slaughter for ritual ceremony after the outcry over ANC heavyweight Tony Yengeni's slaughtering of a bull in a cleansing ceremony following his release from prison.

Animal rights activists objected to the slaughter on the grounds that the practice constituted cruelty to animals.

Mabuza said traditionalists believed the ritual was part of their culture and that objection to it was an infringement on their rights to freely practice their religion.

The commission recommended that communities continue to slaughter animals for cultural and religious purposes, but that care be taken to consider the rights of other people who might be sensitive to the practice.

Comments
  • 4daluvofSA - 2011-03-29 14:30

    If you are sensitive to the practice just move to another neighbourhood or a flat and mind your own business...

      civic - 2011-03-29 14:47

      must feel strange living with 3 brain cells?

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-29 15:03

      must feel stupid insulting a person with 3 brain cells?

      ManOTMoment - 2011-03-29 15:09

      Must feel stupid to tell someone he must feel stupid insulting a person with 3 brain cells.......ROFLAO

      theoldmanofthemountains - 2011-03-29 15:12

      I understand your argument if I moved into your neighborhood and you've been doing this for years. But what happens if you moved into my neighborhood and started this practice? Why should I move?

      Viparo - 2011-03-29 16:46

      If you want to do this, don't move to my neighborhood. Move into the sticks and do whatever you want. You want to live like a civilized human being in a house with electricity and running water, then don't partake in uncivilized behavior. You can't pick and choose which parts of which culture you want. Pick one.

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-30 10:47

      @Viparo, sorry to burst your bubble my friend but i can leave anywhere i can afford to just like everyone who claims to be South African and if you have a problem then go by yourself an Island then you can chose who you want as a neighbour..but until then go have yourself a salad and a glass of still water.

  • Jennifer - 2011-03-29 14:33

    At the rate the ANC members go in and out of prison we will have no more animals left if everyone has to start having a "cleansing" ceremony!! ANC you cannot be cleansed EVER!!

      Mizer - 2011-03-29 14:46

      Jen.you are funny.you made my day:-)

      Kgwadi - 2011-03-29 15:51

      Monkey is the one that cannot diferrentiate between WHITE and PINK colour,am not colour blind, any some of my monkey famly have got pink ASS.

      Paul Mandla Nkosi - 2011-03-29 19:12

      @Jennifer Ahlers, after reading most of you post here I can safely conclude that you are stupid.

  • Made_In_SA - 2011-03-29 14:36

    Yeah but only if it is humane and not a savage fest like the first fruits festival where the animals are tortured and suffocated by a bunch of "warriors"... why not let them go try and kill a lion barehanded instead of twenty or more picking on a domestic bull? Then we will see who has the balls.. Culture, my arse, if you want to live your culture then live it! Do not pick and choose as it suits, you either live your culture or you live the new adopted modernised culture whereby you wear clothes, earn money, maybe have a car, a house, a cell phone, a job etc etc You cannot have the best of both only when it suits you... Either everybody moves forward and evolves or we all go back to the caveman days wearing skins, fighting opposing tribes and living in the bush.. Which one is it?

      sabrael - 2011-03-29 14:39

      Very well said.

      Sharon - 2011-03-29 14:46

      I agree with you !!!

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-29 14:55

      ...in other words you are saying that everyone in the world should just leave by the western culture...."THE SUPERIOR"? Other cultures are accomodative and willing to learn a bit from others, you should try and do the same and stop being judgemental. Who said that you way of killing cows for beef was the best and the cleanest? Just because you get someone to do it for you in a place that YOU think is appropriate doesn't make you any better.

      Badballie - 2011-03-29 15:06

      you go boy, I agree totally, these retard are quick to shout about colonists, but that hasn't stopped them adopting colonist standards and technology, double standards by the biggest racists of them all.

      modefan - 2011-03-29 15:07

      @4daluvofSA...Lets take another old religion for example, today, most practitioners of that religion have modernised, and they all agree that some of their religeous believes are barbaric and should be buried...sure, there are some who still cling to the old ways, but the overall majority agree that they should 'stop killing the infidel to get to heaven!' ... now if they can move forward, why can't you?

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-29 15:17

      @Badballi, not all technology is western my friend, especially modern day technology.....have you ever heard of the Asians? Chinese, Japanese...ect? DO A BIT MORE READING, IT WOULD HELP.

  • bill - 2011-03-29 14:41

    Better idea - slaughter Yengeni to cleanse anc mp's.

  • Baboon sheperd - 2011-03-29 14:42

    My neighbours in Waterkloof didn't mind me slaughtering 2 sheep last week. In fact they joined in the feast washed down with beer and umqombothi which they thoroughly enjoyed.

      Annie - 2011-03-29 14:57

      What a TOOL!!!! It is narrow minded people such as yourself- get a life buddy!!

      ?? - 2011-03-29 15:11

      Dont feed the trolls

  • Macho Mike - 2011-03-29 14:48

    Eish, this story, she makes me feel all cut up!

  • thembaproject - 2011-03-29 14:56

    Something to ponder: If you buy meat at your local grocery store 100% of those animals are tortured under a system of Industrial Agriculture, yet here people sit passing judgement on communities who peacefully, quickly and humanely take the life of an animal to pay respect to their ancestors. I have been a devout vegetarian and animals rights activist for nearly 18 years, my husband is Xhosa, I have seen all sides with my own eyes. Before passing judgement look at your leather shoes, the food you eat and ask you if what you are protesting is actually better than what the status quo represents.

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-29 15:07

      Thank you @thembaproject!

      StJohn - 2011-03-29 15:21

      I agree - I'm vegan - cause I know the truth!

      Kgwadi - 2011-03-29 16:10

      The problem here Thembaproject is that: it is right when is pink but wrong when is brown.F*(*(*%$%.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-03-29 16:49

      Its called an abattoir and laws regulate the methods used thats the difference. A slaughter in your back garden with a pen knife in my opinion is objectionable but a formal ritual with a certified person to carry out the killing within the confines of ceremonial property i find perfectly fine.

      Tamz.S - 2011-03-30 07:50

      You are 100% right, people need to stop the hypocrisy over this matter! If you eat meat you do not have the right to criticize anyone else who slaughters an animal. Do some research on the SUFFERING of animals that are bred for food, from birth to death their lives are constant pain and suffering! WAKE UP!

  • arlene classen - 2011-03-29 15:01

    At Unisa on the 5th floor, which serves as lecture rooms, offices and a walkway between buildings, a gaggle of tribal beauties were screaming at the top of their voices into the cellphones that hang from ears like a piece of jewellery, were told to cool it as classes were in session. "It is unnatural tfor our culture to talk quietly" was their answer to the Prof who requested a more silent passage. To which he answered"Then get undressed and wear grass skirts, and leave Unisa, as it's unnatural for our culture to tolerate your noise". They want the best of both - slaughter, cellphones and shouting. But what do they give?

      charley - 2011-03-29 16:16

      And did they (the grass skirts etc)

  • Monika - 2011-03-29 15:02

    BUNCH OF SAVAGES! AND THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY RUNNING A COUNTRY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CIVILISED?

      Modikwe - 2011-03-29 16:15

      Are you saying all blacks are savages?

  • Madelane - 2011-03-29 15:37

    This is merely indicative of the total lack of respect,compassion and empathy that the human species has for other creatures on this planet and extends to their own kind as well. Look around the world at our behavior.

  • SSRat - 2011-03-29 15:54

    Homo africanus doing what comes naturally. You cannot fault him because he is unable to grasp the concept of modern civilization and religion without re writng his genetic coding. It is an impossibility.

      Tamz.S - 2011-03-30 07:51

      This is NO DIFFERENT to what happens in slaughterhouses, in fact it is FAR FAR kinder with FAR less suffering. Take a look at where your meat comes from before you pass judgement....

  • Mmakadikwe1 - 2011-03-29 16:02

    @ Rianadk - If you did'nt have sex with your dog you'd have noticed that I was responding to someone,but since you are so tired to even check you just jumped into conclusion,it is ok when your racist brothers generalise everything in to black,but totally wrong when we generalise everything white? a very old Apartheid mentality whereby blacks are always wrong and whites correct.Maybe you must come out of that which has stoned you so much not to read most of the comments here before you stick your finger in your pink ass and insult me.

      The Observer - 2011-03-29 16:17

      I'm glad you write Aparheid with a capital A. Means you respect it. It is actually a witch and please eloborate on the witch stoning part, I do not understand this, is not you who believe in witches?

  • terry - 2011-03-29 16:26

    I am so glad to see South Africans of all backgrounds discussing these issues so constructively and maturely! It is only through dialogue that we can understand one another. The level of intellectual debate on these forums fills me with pride to be a South African ......LOL! There really is no hope, is there?

  • Modikwe - 2011-03-29 16:29

    I gather from the comments that most folk on this blog are white and it shows the level of intelorance that they have and it means we are still a long way to build a united country irrespective of colour or culture!. We have white colleagues who smile with us and joke with us, but deep down they hate our existence. As much as people can debate it will just cause disagreement and people will get upset. This is Africa and as much as white people have the right to practice and preserve their cultures and religions, they must just accept and embrace the right for black people to practice and preserve their culture and religion. Culture has nothing to do with wearing skins and being barefoot. White people seem to thing that black people wouldn't have evolved if it hadn't been for them. As big headed as they are, that is utter rubbish. We would have evolved and been cilvilized in our own way.

  • Mmakadikwe1 - 2011-03-29 16:36

    @ Observer - I like your sense of humour,but for your information I don't believe in the stoning of individuals just because someone has accused them of whitchcraft.I can not again say that I have seen a witch since I was born,so it will be difficult for me to elaborate on the subject.As for the slaughtering of animals for ritual purpose I honestly don't think you guys must condem it since you don't have a role to play in promoting or doing away with it.If it is such a useless and stone age practise as most of you are saying,then let's give those who believe in it a chance to perform it without making them feel inferior with what they believe works for them.I have never seen God but I can not call those who are stauch believers of God stupid and uncivilised,they are doing what makes them happy and believes they are saving their souls.Apartheid with a capital A,Amazing how observant you are.

  • Luna - 2011-03-29 17:47

    So they have the right to slaughter animals, that have just as much right to live as we do, and say its apart of their culture/religion but when a person lights a few candles in a grave yard to honor the dead because he/she is Wiccan its wrong? wow, this country is going dowwn the drains quicker than I thought..

  • Mike Webber - 2011-03-29 17:49

    As a soon-to-be Rastafarian convert, I'm somewhat supportive of this new precedent-setting ruling. Cultural and religious rights, blah, blah. Somebody pass me the splif.

  • Spoofed - 2011-03-29 18:19

    So satanists can slaughter cats/birds in their backyard because thats their religion/culture right? your pet might end up on a chopping block one day because it's the people's culture... Why should everybody be so upset then when the Korean's eat their dogs? you can't have the one and not the other... The majority don't agree with slaughtering animals, therefore it should not be happening... or what?

      cruelone - 2011-03-30 13:13

      what majority are you talking about?People...., if you do not have culture it's nobody's fault, only yours. you cannot set standards for me and i cannot tell you what's wrong about your culture cause it's your problem. You do not have a clue as i read your comment now as to why people slaughter. yours is uninformed opinion based on steriotipical views of the west.

  • Tamz.S - 2011-03-30 07:52

    To all of your criticizing these people slaughtering animals, if you EAT MEAT you are doing the SAME THING!!!! In fact, MANY of the animals killed in slaughterhouses are SKINNED ALIVE! Pigs are the worst treated of all, some live their entire lives with broken backs. Most animals bred for food will NEVER SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY and live in cages where they cannot move. They are permanently ill and fed anti biotics. Their babies are taken away from them immediately after birth. I agree that this practice of slaughtering animals is wrong entirely, but please take a look at what you are supporting before you make hypocritical comments....

  • SSRat - 2011-03-30 08:03

    Guys, it's not about the killing of the animal. The mere fact that these people believe in some mystical power or effect they get from killing it is what puts them right back in the stone age. Then they also seem to believe that the more violent and drawn out the death of the animal, the better the chance of the "mystical power" taking effect. Just yesterday there was a piece about a chicken being set alight because it was supposedly cursed. One cannot argue, debate or reason with a culture like this displayed by Erectus, any attempt to do so might well drive a reasonable man insane.

  • cruelone - 2011-03-30 10:21

    Well, it becomes a problem when africans are "cruel" to animal, but when it's whites it's OK. They kill fish in thousands, they shoot animals in game hunting, they kill creyfish, they kill chickens cows and sheep. But when one family kills one animal for one very important ritual . It's labelled as cruel. All other religion including Jewish and muslim do kill animals. But African are the only ones being frouned at. All death is crue.

  • Alan - 2011-06-13 16:35

    I believe that it is my right to own slaves...it used to be my culture. I wonder how far I would get with that????

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