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Another day of protests in Marikana

2012-09-11 11:15

Rustenburg - Striking Lonmin mineworkers flocked to an open space in Marikana on Tuesday for another day of protest in demand of a wage increase.

They streamed from all directions to an open space near the Wonderkop Hill where police fired on protesters on August 16, killing 34 of them and wounding 78.

They brought umbrellas with them to shield them from the scorching Rustenburg sun.

Media crews, many of them international, have set up camp there and were watching the crowd.

There were also armed police in the area, with four police Nyalas parked at the entrance to a shaft at the nearby Karee mine.

CCMA on stand-by

On Monday, protesters wielding knobkerries, pangas and spears marched from mineshaft to mineshaft calling for the closure of all operations.

They also tried to rope in non-striking workers from the mineshafts and the mine hostels.

They then went to an open space near the hostels, from where Lonmin buses later took them to a hill where the humanitarian organisation Gift of the Givers was handing out aid.

The Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA) was on stand-by on Tuesday to reopen wage negotiations, should the striking workers return to the negotiating table.

"The CCMA is on standby to commence negotiations should miners comply with the peace accord brokered last week," said CCMA spokesperson Nersan Govender.

In terms of that accord, workers must go back to work for pay talks to resume.

No violence overnight

Attendance figures on Tuesday morning were at 3%, said Lonmin spokesperson Sue Vey.

Police and mine security had received no reports of trouble or violence at the mine overnight, she said.

The talks are aimed at ending a month-long strike at the mine, which employs about 28 000 people and is one of the world's largest platinum producers.

Production has, in effect, been halted since August 10.

The talks were scheduled to start at noon on Monday.

Representatives of the National Union of Mineworkers, Uasa, Solidarity and the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union were present, as were representatives of the company. The workers' representatives were not there.

They and the CCMA waited for representatives of a splinter group of about 3 000 people to arrive, but they sent a clergymen to say they would not be coming and would return to work only if their salaries were increased to R12 500.

Work attendance was only 6.34% on Monday. The striking workers marched outside.

Comments
  • ngaka.sehlola - 2012-09-11 11:26

    Eh guys please,your is loud and clear.We are tired of you now...oh before I go,do a noble thing and sign a peace accord for the good of us all.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-11 11:43

      At an average IQ of 68% in South Africa these people cannot even be educated nor employed.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:45

      Nun I mean num they signed that peace what what without consulting them those people are angry baba

      customdesign - 2012-09-11 11:52

      Those people are making the rest of the country angry baba, they will cripple the country and cost many people jobs- if Lonmin falls because of them, 40 000 people lose their jobs, then they must go explain to those mothers and children why they have no bread on the table

      sean.carbutt - 2012-09-11 11:53

      Here we go again. Fire the lot of them and then re-employ those that actually want to work. This lot have exceeded their "use by" date. Lets see, their logic is, rather be a happy unemployed, toy toy, type, than be a happy employed type. BTW, what most of you don't know is that over 50% of these miners already have garnishing orders on their salaries.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:57

      Gherkins on the side? Try Garnishee

      J.D. - 2012-09-11 12:19

      Alicia you are making a fundamental error in your reasoning. People who are worthy in heart and spirit who want to work do not exist. After some time they will be the same. That is why Africa is Africa.

      JockBlack - 2012-09-11 12:35

      "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Finally, a word recently coined to describe South Africa's current political situation. Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) - a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

  • stfrancisbay - 2012-09-11 11:26

    If this country was committed to working as it is to striking we could all retire at 40!

  • melanie.pienaar.92 - 2012-09-11 11:28

    I use to work there. Can SA afford tp losse 30 000 jobs?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:33

      sure they can - these guys are not producing anything anyway - only doing the African thing of wanting more for less.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:42

      Yes we can afford that

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:49

      @Chanki - cool, enjoy!

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-11 11:52

      Yes we can, but the workers may not be able to afford it. Someone said that every worker support 10 people and 40 000 jobs are on the line. Close to half a million people more will live below the breadline should the mines close down.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:57

      they still have Rabbits to eat....

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-09-11 11:28

    Shut down Lonmin mine. The protesters are arrogant!!! How do you reach a settlement when you don't go to negotiations meeting.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:08

      and Lazy-Boys

  • maree.cassie - 2012-09-11 11:28

    Fire them!!! The world has had enough of their stupidity!!! STUPID IDIOTS!!!!

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:40

      Like you

      shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-11 11:55

      @chanki- we (whites) are not stupid, we dont protest and risk having loosing our jobs. We work, hard for what we have, nothing is handed to us, & what we do have we work even harder for to keep. Oh hell I am so sorry - i used the two words that you dont understand - work & hard....

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 12:16

      Shelley please you work hard everywhere we go construction site mining site factors you fine black people working like ants while you white people sitting in around doing nothing.please please

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:25

      @ Chanki .. without Engineers etc.... there would be no building sites. Without Investment - there can be no mines. It's not about black and white. If it was not for BEE, we would all be subjected to the same rules. Without education - very few people anywhere in the world will economically well. You can only get paid for your economic worth, which translates to your education. Nobody forces any miners to accept their jobs - if they dont like the conditions or pay, they are free to leave. Many people would give their eye-teeth to have those jobs. The problem is the 'We demand' mentality in SA - which is unsustainable, and can never work. That is why I think it is time for Lonmin to call the bluff, close the mines, and disinvest. SA can only grow according to it's tax base and external investment. So if the miners want to cut off their noses to spite their faces - I am all for it! The lesson needs to be learned NOW!

      Pixi3kid - 2012-09-11 12:48

      Look at this guy and the mindset he is in! sorry but i know some of my black friends doing very well for themselves because they have an education behind them. We have 10 year olds protesting and burning tyres cause their principal wanted them to take extra classes TO HELP THEM!! and let me tell you now, those same kids will grow up into these miners with no education and no ground to stand on when it comes to the wages they so arrogantly demand! if these ppl get their R12500 then we are all free to demand R20, 30 or even 40 000 as a salary, because if UNEDUCATED ppl can get that kind of money educated ppl can get more!!! I REALLY HOPE THEY ALL LOOSE THEIR JOBS

  • willem.botha.5623 - 2012-09-11 11:28

    Close the mine.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:39

      They can't close the mine this lonmin company still need to pay creditors

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:42

      No they don't Chanki. They should cut their losses, close the mine and disinvest. That way, at least there will be one semi-winner -aka Lonmin

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-11 11:57

      Expenses still goes on despite no work being done, this is a difficult one but maybe they must close this mine and open up at another site?

      shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-11 11:57

      ang again chanki - tell the workers that - without them working there is NO, can you read the word NO, there is NO income so how will they pay creditors??????????? Man you really don think do you?

      Pixi3kid - 2012-09-11 12:54

      Not close it... fire the F@#kers and let them go look for a R12500 job somewhere else. easy peasy, loads of ppl need and want to work!

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-09-11 13:33

      chanki, you have got it all wrong, nobody forced these people down the mine to drill, they were offered a job at a certain salary and accepted it, they can not now demand a 300% increase, if I was unhappy at my work place for whatever reason and my employers could not meet my requirements, I would leave, I have no right DEMANDING anything, you can not go around threatening people because your absurd DEMANDS are not met.

  • comrade.mg - 2012-09-11 11:28

    Workers rights are human rights,forward with living wage forward!phansi NGO modern day slavery wages phansi!

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:32

      Viva comrades

      DJPotifar - 2012-09-11 11:35

      You are incoherent. You sound like one of them.

      Karel du Toit - 2012-09-11 11:35

      get another job if you feel you dont get enough money. dont start killing and breaking things.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:40

      and the money must come from WHERE? Oh wait - I forgot - tch tch - let's just print more!

      riaan.harmsen.7 - 2012-09-11 11:43

      obviously you are just as dumb as they are.....?

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-11 11:53

      Comrade - doesn't your a**ehole get jealous when your mouth sprouts the brown stuff?

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 11:57

      Now we deal with this mines issue comrades after that we shift our focus to land distribution comrades

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 11:57

      Close the mine and let them go work for the anc

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-11 11:59

      It will be a human right tragedy when the mine closes down and the owners moves to another country. R5 000 p/m nett is better than R0.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:01

      @Chaki - that you Polyotonki? We have missed you.

  • nickey.vanrensburg - 2012-09-11 11:32

    Why the hell are Gift of the givers allowed to give out food ? THIS in itself will allow the strikers to continue striking. Because of this, their stomachs are full and therefore can continue indefinitely.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:45

      Gift of the Givers should be helping those decent few who are being intimidated. I am not in favour of the Givers getting involved in illegal actions which are unjustified and unsustainable.

  • deicide - 2012-09-11 11:33

    yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!exhausted story

  • Tim Elliott - 2012-09-11 11:34

    anarchy usually results in a dramatic end game..watch lonmin reach breaking point and close the mine.the cost to SA will be incalcuable as investors flee in droves.Where oh where is the intellect in this country?

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-11 11:59

      Anarchy Nepotism Corruption

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:59

      SA's intellect is largely in New Zealand now

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-11 11:36

    can't we just fly over them and drop a few bombs and say OOPS we pressed the button my mistake!! ?? This is getting to be a bit much. & when they all lose thier jobs due to mine closures they will b&tch and moan and cry out to the world and blame everyone but themselves for bringing this upon them.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 12:33

      I wish hellen zoo to go and address this miners maybe she will manage to solve this impasse

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:42

      maybe the anc zoo should let a couple of inmates out to take control. The Govt is as usual hiding away from the issue.... I guess that is why the Prez wanted a new jet - to get the hell out....

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-11 11:37

    More attention seeking? Fire the whole bloody lot of them and employ people who want to work and will appreciate their jobs. I feel sorrow for those who want to work but are intimidated by these thugs and forced to stay away from work and/or join their march. Enough is enough!

  • anje.duplessis.9 - 2012-09-11 11:40

    I guess they haven't learnt from the past event. Hopeless!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 11:46

      they do not have the mentality to learn. They are mere puppets for the likes of Juju. They cannot see past their noses, which in many cases may not protrude excessively.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-11 12:06

      At the turn of the centuary planes flew over striking miners and shot over theire heads. This won't work either. The problem here seemed to be the rival minority union wants to have a bigger slice of the union's pies. Majority should decide to be the only voice.

      Ze Don - 2012-09-11 12:31

      @Deon. Actually Gen. Jan Smuts bombed strikers in 1922, he also used artillery against them... the good old days?

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-09-11 11:50

    Another day of play for the children/savages.

  • nardus.debeer - 2012-09-11 11:50

    Just fire them and get it over and done with. If the miners lose their jobs they would come crying back for their jobs within a few days. Our nations Economey is suffering and Investors are now moving their capital out of South Africa, Just because the miners want R 12 500.00 an increase of 300% in their wages. That is just plain crazy!!! Nobody in their right mind would ever give an Employee a 300% increase in his/her wage. Can someone also just please explain to me why a person stops working (in effect stops receiving a income), to demand a higer income? The workers would now have to work harder to make up for income lossed in the "strike". This mentality that we as South Africans have of killing and threatening our co workers if they dont join our "causes" needs to be stoped aswel. There is only about 3000 drill operators that demand the increase, yet of the round about 35 000 workers at Lonims Marikana Shaft, less than 3% arrived for work. So I say the reports that Police and mine security had received of no trouble or violence at the mine overnight is hard to believe, why els wold the rest of the workforce stay away?

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-11 12:05

      The maths is very simple - for every week these guys stay off work, they are forfeiting 2% of their annual salary - gone forever - and I am sure these union morons and the likes af fatboy are well aware of such simple facts, but they have their own agendas and don't give a hoot.

      Arnoldus.DuToit - 2012-09-11 12:12

      Agreed. I remember a company that fired all illegal striking employees. The employees after about 2 weeks went back and begged for their jobs back. The company signed all back but as "new" probation employees with a starting salary. Lower than the amount they got before striking. That would teach them.

      heiku.staude - 2012-09-11 14:44

      If the economy is suffering then let's just let it die. I mean shame, poor thing.

  • Badger - 2012-09-11 11:52

    Returning to the scene of the crime ????? Talk about "Stuck On Stupid !!! "

  • bradktm - 2012-09-11 11:54

    The Lonmin mine busses, bus them to their dinner destination sponsored by "gift of the givers" - do we want this to end or do we want to continually sponsor this barbaric behaviour. Gift of the Givers - I dare you to pitch up at my house requesting donations/sponsors. This whole bloody country is becoming a farce !!!

  • grant.n.dickie - 2012-09-11 11:56

    This happens when the majority in our country have no sense of accountability and live for today not thinking about tomorrow. It is time we stop protecting the rights of the majority who do not want to work and look after hose who do.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:07

      sadly - the thinking is inspired by the role model sent out by Govt.

  • mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 11:57

    They going to close Lonmin and then these guys wont have any work , I hope the unions are ready to support them and their family'foolias malema is behind this , he wants these mines remember

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-11 12:06

      At least everyone at Lonmin will feel the heat!! Let it close down!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:06

      What good will the mines be to Malema without intelligent life running them? They will be worthless. And aside from that - the anc have instilled such a culture of more pay for less work in SA, that the 'voters' (sometimes called "workers") will never stop their demands until one day when they are sitting on an anthill in an arid desert, wishing that they could just have the opportunity to work so that they could feed their starving 18 children.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-11 12:07

      It shows how brainless you are missing man.you can't just close the mine is not shop

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:11

      What is he CHANKIng on about now?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:11

      eish Chule .. another genius!

      shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-11 12:20

      oh for crying out loud. chanki - you are brainless. Allow me to explain to you if ANY compnay does not have a turn over, this equalls NO INCOME which in turn means that NO-ONE, creditors, staff etc CAN'T be paid, and therefore the company/ mine closes this is called LIQUIDATION.......... Oh hell & you are allowed to vote????

      rock.jason.52 - 2012-09-11 12:31

      Dozen of other companies eyeing in case lonmin fail these firm will come with better offer.... We will call the chinese or french at least them will give the workers better wages...

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:46

      @Rock.Jason ... *awards him the COMEDY TROPHY* for funniest crack of the year. (The Chinese will pay more) WHAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA More like they will be forced to work harder for peanuts, and mysteriously dissapear if they fail to produce...

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 12:59

      @ chule.qalase At least they will stop loosing money as well , They can go mine in other continents the world is bigger than africa if you havent realised that.

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 13:01

      @ chanki.modise I think your post itself just proved how stupid you are!!

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 13:03

      @ alan.gernet , He will cash in on all the infrastructure like the mandela's and zuma's did at grootvlei , then sell the rights to the chinese and build him a palace like mugabe , Its africa after all !

  • Rodney - 2012-09-11 12:04

    why alwayz we need to poor becouse of the investers. There were not here wen we fight of thse democracy let thm f@@k out of the country. Viva tht is true democracy. People not ANC NOT UNIONS,. LETS GO AND FIGHT. NEHAWU PUBLIC SERVENT ARE DONE OF U.

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-11 12:10

      ?????????????????

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:14

      yep - they we can all sit around grass huts and ponder on the old days. Uneducated peopl can never sustainably aspire to anything in the world. If ONLY if ONLY, the anc put value on education, and people stopped breedign like flies, we could be living the life that the anc promised, but can never fulfil now.

  • Leonard Mokgotlhwe - 2012-09-11 12:09

    The people who are there are not employed by Lonmin.They unemployed people from eastern Cape .Lonmin employee want to work while CCMA is in process of resolving this issue ,they are sick of this thing

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-11 12:14

    I like the fact that the miners chose not to be associated with any of the stupid unions. I did say it before Lonmin underestimated this strike and now every employee there including the English will feel the heat end of this month!! Aluta continua, operation ASIJIKI!!!!!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:29

      Says Chule, who possibly has had the opportunity of education, and has no problems feeding himself, whilst working for some other company like Anglo..... Talk about a hypocrite

  • Rodney - 2012-09-11 12:15

    were is COSATU.., AFTHER ALL.HOLDING CONFERENCE AT THE TIME OF WAR OF LABOURS.WARNING TO NEHAWU.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-11 12:17

    I used to think Gift of the givers did amazing work. Now Im not so sure. If they are supportive to thugs like this,Ill think twice before donating to them again! Fire these tsotis,there are thousands who REALY want to work!!!

  • stephen.j.dickson.3 - 2012-09-11 12:20

    Time for Trojan Horse and K-Car. Give them a whiff of the old 20mm cannon...........bottom line.

  • lnmcleod - 2012-09-11 12:30

    I can't believe that none of the negotiators have the capacity to relay the message that giving in to wage demands under these circumstances would require breaking the law and could even be seen as “negotiating with terrorism” with the opening of the proverbial Pandora’s box spewing unmitigated anarchy and mayhem throughout the country. Wage structures and negotiating mechanisms are well structured and available throughout our country, without which future business planning and control would be impossible – Patterson pay bands are well defined towards skills and decision taking, should the rock drillers rates prove to be in the wrong band this could only be corrected under fair negotiations without threat. I for one will no longer ever donate to the NGO “Gift of the Givers”, as I believe that the monies are being misappropriated towards ongoing self inflicted distress instead of natural disasters.

  • sonk.goosen - 2012-09-11 12:37

    Alicia the reality is that are no such other people. Employ them and after a short while they will be the same. Afica ia Africa

  • mknnko003 - 2012-09-11 12:40

    How are they going to pay their bills?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 12:46

      abdicate .. and the debt will be written off. ESKOM 101

  • craig.king.7505 - 2012-09-11 12:43

    Presumably Lonmin is about to go bankrupt. They have had no income for a month now and there are some big debts coming up for repayment at the end of the month. They are talking of closing shafts this week to save money which is always a bugger as restarting is expensive and time consuming. Who will take over the mine from Lonmin I wonder? The workers, the Chinese, Zuma's son?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 13:03

      hmmm - well who has the best credentials to loot the assets (and not pay the miners)????

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-09-11 13:14

    What does Solidarity do there?They dont represent interests of black people.They should leave.

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-09-11 13:42

    Lonmin has been exploiting them for far too long.Now they have to pay.Pay up Lonmin and stop playing victim.

  • clourens - 2012-09-11 15:15

    Sounds like another day in Africa !!!!

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