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Armed response chosen over cops - report

2012-01-20 09:22

Johannesburg - People are increasingly relying more on armed response services than on the police to keep them safe, according to a report on Friday.

From 2005 to 2010 about 2 000 new security companies had entered the market as a result of the drop in confidence in the police by home owners and businesses, Beeld reported.

Dr Johan Burger, from the Institute of Security Studies, told the newspaper there was a need for armed response because of an increase in crimes targeting homes and businesses, such as robberies and hijackings.

However, the ideal situation was that security companies should work hand-in-hand with the police rather than replace them.

According to the SA Institute of Race Relations, 4 600 security companies provided armed response service in 2005. This had increased to 7 500 (61%) by 2010.

The number of security guards employed had increased by 236% over the same period, Beeld reported.

Comments
  • Piet - 2012-01-20 09:32

    What did you expect from an understaffed and under trained service?

      Aaron - 2012-01-20 10:14

      They're not understaffed, well certainly not underfunded. Government has been steadily increasing the SAPF (no longer SAPS) budget for years. They are, however, mostly completely incompetent, and I think no amount of training will help as in my experience many of them are completely untrainable due to arrogance, laziness or sheer stupidity.

      Bigwolf - 2012-01-20 10:27

      @Aaron you are 100% correct as many of these new officers are just there to collect a cheque each month. So as little as they have to do is what gets done, gone are the days we had officers like nurses who did the job with passion. Maybe this is a reason reservists have better record? Also the amount of expertise leaving is scary but I can’t blame them, now a WO who has not moved on for 15 years in rank and has to report too many of those he trained who get ahead to fill quota how demoralizing.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-01-20 12:01

      And dont forget the rude and arrogant bit. I phoned the coppers during the December as my neighbours alarm was going off for about three days. I asked them to go and check as they could be tied-up or killed. I then got told:" maybe I come and arrest you. Maybe you keeelll theemmmm !!!" AWESOME-NESS

      Myancmyfuture - 2012-01-20 13:06

      A few months ago I got the license plate and the description of a vehicle that was responsible for a number of hijackings and house robberies in my town. A day later i saw it on the streets and called 10111. i was sent from pillar to post and had to follow the vehicle for an hour before police came by, and that was despite the police station being nearly 500m from where I spotted those thugs. Not all cops are the same, but I can't stop imagining what could have happened or could they have responded quicker if I was under siedge.

      Trevor - 2012-01-20 13:08

      I must agree with Piet. Some of the reports I've read as regards the teatment of the public by the SAPS is shocking. Yet, NOTHING has been done, although the public have reported the matters to the authorities. Why is this ?

  • Gerhard - 2012-01-20 09:36

    Are there any people out there that find this surprising? Even certain police stations are protected by ADT! The police service is not a service to the communitry anymore. It used to be, but we do not get service from them. Armed response do a MUCH better job than them!! Many, many good police personnel are leaving the police to join private armed response units. Wonder why?

      Bardy - 2012-01-20 09:39

      "Even certain police stations are protected by ADT!" - Are you serious???

      Gerhard - 2012-01-20 09:42

      @Bardy. YES. Go check on the walls of Durbanville and Bellville police stations. Big blue signs: Protected by ADT.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-20 09:49

      Correct all police stations considered to be at risk are now guarded 24/7 by private security companies and armed response units. Time to start looking at disbanding all law enforcement agencies in the country they are more of a liability than anything else.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-01-20 09:50

      Berea Durban has them too after they were robbed of their weapons twice.

      Aaron - 2012-01-20 10:16

      So if ADT is protecting the police stations, who does ADT call when they need official assistance? Beyond ridiculous.

      Gerhard - 2012-01-20 10:26

      @Bardy. It is disgusting, but what I find funny is that the police is sending a message to the criminals: Do not rob us, because ADT is going to f*ck you up then!!! I mean REALLY! The irony!

      Bardy - 2012-01-20 10:30

      @ Gerhard - LMFAO! Thats classic!

      ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-01-20 10:33

      Gerhard - I was AMAZED to see the police stations being protected by private companies. With every shift the police USED to post one of their own at the gate.Do you want to tell me they are understaffed or is it they cannot trust their own men? The reason maybe that the policemen knows the inside of the policestation and might give out some valuable information to those not needing to know whats going on inside and when posted at the gate might let anyone enter?

      rohan.heesen - 2012-01-20 13:24

      Ek dink die rede hoekom daar ADT borde by die polisiestasie is, is omdat ADT moontlik die alarm stelsels geinstalleer het.

      Shawn - 2012-01-21 20:16

      I heard a story recently about some bloke who woke up in the very early hours of a morning, stumbled through to the kitchen for a glass of refreshment, only to see torch light flickering in his tool shed.He grabbed the fone, dialled the police and was told that there were no vehicles available! He reitterated that if they came immediately, they would catch the night visitors red handed. Again, he was told he would be attended to when there was a vehicle available. He put the fone down, waited a few minutes, and then foned again. When they answered, he told them he had shot the intruder and there was no longer any need to rush.Within minutes there were squad cars around the house, with a chopper circling overhead, and they caught his night visitors red handed, as he had promised. While leading the suspects to the car, the cop in charge, shouted that he was told that he had shot the suspect, to which he replied, "I thought you had no vehicles available"!!!!

  • Deon - 2012-01-20 09:36

    Response time 2-6 minutes against 2 hours or up to 2 days, this is an easy decision for most of us.

      CarlS - 2012-01-20 09:38

      That's IF the station has a serviceable vehicle.

      Twain - 2012-01-20 10:14

      I remember a case where a business called the police station in order to report a break-in. The police response was "sorry, we don't have a vehicle." The joke? The business was on the opposite side of the road of the police station.

      Thandi - 2012-01-20 10:56

      Thats because the police vehicles are all busy being used for private business.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-01-20 12:04

      @eye-see-all, where do you stay? I went through the same type of thing few weeks back? I wonder if we have the same neighbour ???

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-01-22 08:36

      Investigating officer came 10 days after I had an armed robbery, after I nagged him. His attitude was that he had other crimes to attend to in "black" area's, that crime did not just affect white people! Amazing, and they wonder why we have no respect for them - and the black okes also have no respect for them, so its not just their racism towards "us", they do nothing for their "own".

  • CarlS - 2012-01-20 09:37

    No surprise.

      Albert - 2012-01-20 09:44

      We should be able to deduct this cost from our tax

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-01-20 09:42

    Not all of them are bad ALL the time. When a druggie trespasser entered my parents property one day, i phoned the police AND pushed the panic button for armed response. The police were there within 5 minutes, armed response only came once the police had left already. And now armed response told my parents they will NOT enter the property due to the dog. So they both have their pro's and cons...

      Tyron - 2012-01-20 10:12

      will the police enter the property with a dog being there?

      Aaron - 2012-01-20 10:19

      Bet you it was ADT - we fired them for the same reason. Slow response, and too much effort to come onto the property. Most neighbourhoods have a smaller more localized security company - trust me, they're ALWAYS miles better than ADT which seems to have become nothing more than a privatized extension of the police.

      George - 2012-01-20 13:28

      Phoned the Witbank cops one night to complain about a disturbance at a nearby night club and the "ossifer" tells me to ....ehhh, why you dont moov de haaws eef you are toomash anheppi wit de noiz, I mean eishhhh.

  • Shirley - 2012-01-20 09:45

    Tha lacklustre response time by police is pathetic! By the time they arrive the thief is gone/or you are dead! When they do EVENTUALLY get there they take 2 hrs to take a statement and thas the LAST you ever hear! At least these security companies take the job seriously and you dont see them doing shopping when they should be working with company car!

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-01-22 08:39

      Also, never ask an SAPS member to engage in physical activity like try following the spoor of criminals. They say they are not trained for that. What exactly are these slobs trained for, certainly not even taking statements, they always make a complete mess of those?

  • rickvcooper - 2012-01-20 09:45

    RSS and ADT are so much better at fulfilling a security mandate than the local police station. The SAPS has become a gangster haven, with only very few exceptions. That is why our SAPS cannot install cameras on their vehicles as is done in the U.S.

      Sharon - 2012-01-20 10:07

      THEY CANT INSTALL CAMERAS BECAUSE THEN ALL WOULD SEE THE BRIBES THEY TAKE AND WHERE THEY PARK (TO DO STRANGE STUFF)

      jeremy002 - 2012-01-20 13:33

      @Mike - I live in Paulshof, and I was always glad to see a police van going up my street and around the suburb, until those two girls were raped by them one night about a month or two ago. Don't see the police van anymore.....

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-20 09:47

    Security Companies should not work with police officials they do not fully trust, to do so would simply lead to a loss in confidence in the security companies as well, the Police have effectively made their bed and must now sleep in it. An armed response officer is currently accepted as such just by showing up in uniform, a policeman in uniform with an ID card still needs to be dealt with with extreme caution, as his motives are still questionable. Just another vote of no confidence in our government and the jokes that are supposed to protect us.

  • Ruben - 2012-01-20 09:47

    Well the polce are extremely slow!!! Alllllll Theeeeeeeeee Timeeeeeeeeee!

  • Treacle - 2012-01-20 09:54

    this, including outdoor and indoor recording cameras, electrified perimeter fences, outdoor alarm detection beams, indoor alarm with numerous panic buttons, burglar proofing, attack dogs outside and barking dogs inside, baseball bat next to my bed, paintball gun, ready and loaded with pepper balls, doors bolted, windows closed every night, security gate in passage, booby traps in garden......... ...and I still don't feel safe!

      Shirley - 2012-01-20 10:11

      I had an incodence of violence in my shop which was caught on video, the perp was standing across the road by the time police got there. When I played it back[in colour] they said you cannot see his face clearly so they were going to leave the guy! Too lazy to do their job-he had the same clothes on etc.All the technology in the world to assisdt them and they still dont do their job!

  • Paulo - 2012-01-20 10:07

    ja along with the police you can also add health & education to the list of non delivery. you almost have to ask why should we pay tax, oh yes I forgot it's to fund the elite. gotta love tribal africa, the chief gets it all and the citizens must just obey (wasn't this the called the dark ages in Europe)?

  • Tulani - 2012-01-20 10:14

    when it comes to tax, it should be pay tax if u vote and don't pay pay if u don't vote, i guess in that manner some things will work ryt in our Government system......

  • Ewald - 2012-01-20 10:14

    Every police station has got some armed response and/or alarm system boards on their walls! How ironic is that the police have to have alarm systems. Which makes you ask the question how many times have criminals broke into the police station?

  • ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-01-20 10:27

    Yep, I am one of them. You cannot trust any of those two so use the better one - the security guards that are first on the scene.The seriousness of the crime will determine if I wanted to report to the police or not. How many people encountered crime and did not report it to the police? That means that the police statistics are incorrect. Seeing that the statistics should relate regarding crime and not only crime reported to the police, the security firms should submit THEIR crime statistics to the police and that, together with the police stats, must be presented to the public. In the bygone days when one was going on holiday, one could give one's details to the police and they would patrol the area. I wonder if that service still does exist and if so how many people are making use of it. Would be interested to know.

      Siyanda - 2012-01-20 11:00

      You can't do that. The police will rob you blind!!!!!!

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-20 10:28

    They are/were not very popular, but the old SAP was well trained. I wonder what went wrong from then till now? Can anyone answer?

      David - 2012-01-20 11:36

      Yeah. Civilians were appointed as national commisssioner, and they proved to be dodgy(Cele) or criminals themselves(Selebi). Apparently it takes a thief to catch a thief.. New SAPS motto..LOL.

      laura.levatte - 2012-01-20 11:45

      Yes. The training is no longer the same. It's like a crash course and not a very good one at that. Just look at who heads up the dept, Selebi, Cele I mean really, do you think they want a good police service who will catch criminals ? lol what a joke. Then you also need to take into account the fact that when the ANC took charge the disbanded all the special units. The majority of the people who knew what they were doing have left.

  • Aaron - 2012-01-20 10:35

    I called them to arrest a trespasser. When they arrived I pointed the man out to them as he was just brazenly standing on the street outside the house. They just shrugged their shoulders and drove off. Apparently, he has "connections". This was in Randburg, Joburg northern suburbs, not some township. I then drove to the police station myself to make a statement. Nothing has happened months later. In fact, even though I made a statement, they said I needn't bother as they don't care about trespassing and do not bother to investigate such a minor crime as someone breaking into your property. Needless to say I am moving as I no longer feel safe in Joburg. It is my opinion that basic policing has simply collapsed and it is no longer possible to have even basic property rights enforced. The only protection left is private security.

      Goldie - 2012-01-20 13:20

      I had an armed robbery at my home in May last year. Randburg police was great and showed up within minutes after I was able to call them. They took my statement, sent fingerprint guys to do their thing, the sector manager even came to see me. Man, was I impressed. I had another attempted burglary a few weeks after this incident (apparently they just wait until your insurance replaced everything) and again the Randburg police was there within minutes and searched my property thoroughly. I was just starting to think that my perception of the police may be wrong... But alas, 7 months later and I have still not heard a word from the investigating officer or anyone else. So after all the fuss and hoohaa, they actually did nothing to catch the bliksems. It is all in the follow through people! Making the right noises mean nothing unless you also do the right things.

      Heiku - 2012-01-20 14:39

      You wanted police to arrest a black guy for standing in the road in front of your house? .... some people..

      Evaline - 2012-01-21 18:14

      @Heiku Yes. I believe entering someone's land or property without permission is called TRESPASSING. A bit presumptuous, are we? Where did he say it was a black guy? I've not lived in South Africa for very long, but I can clearly see that everyone is a bit too obsessed with race.

  • Anthony - 2012-01-20 10:37

    OK OK lets all say this together ANC YOU HAVE FAILED

      Gerhard - 2012-01-20 10:54

      ANC YOU HAVE FAILED Next.....

  • ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-01-20 10:39

    If News 24 could start a blog were anyone could relate to their experience with crime and the police as well as general public opinion and keep it open for one week that could be a perfect stats for future use, especially if someone @ parliament was taking on the minister of police and needed that kind of support to make a point.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-20 10:41

    You can only work "hand in hand" with each other if both parties promptly response to a call-out and are always present at an incident. If not, you can class the absent party as inferior and just good to assist you with the admin duty afterwards. Does this sounds familiar?

      Heinrich - 2012-01-20 14:18

      Nicely said. The Armed Response saves our lives and the police takes care of the legal documents that is required by insurance companies or courts.

  • paul.darne - 2012-01-20 10:43

    I was in the Hogs Back recently and the house we were staying in was broken into for the umpteenth time just before we got there. The house has an alarm that notifies the police but the police say that if they know that no-one is occupying the house at the time of the breaking, it is not their duty to investigate but the job of an armed response company. Apparently there are not enough clients in the Hogs Back to justify an Armed Response company so there isn't one. The police reply to this is that if no-one is in immediate danger (criminals breaking into a house while no-one is home) they refuse to do anything. So apparently smashing windows, prying of burglar bars and stealing stuff is not a crime.....

      Deon - 2012-01-20 10:49

      My brother has the same problems there, such a nice area but not so safe.

      Kevin - 2012-01-22 10:40

      In Africa, smashing windows, prying of burglar bars and stealing stuff is just what the ANC likes...

  • E=MC2 - 2012-01-20 10:44

    Id rather call adt than our local overweight, uneducated public servants!

  • Thandi - 2012-01-20 10:50

    Just bear in mind that the police are very often the first to arrive at a crime scene - usually just before the crime is committed.

      Gerhard - 2012-01-20 10:56

      And Thandi is off to a fantastic start yet again! Hit the nail on the head!

      ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-01-20 11:29

      Thandi I appreciate your humor, a good start to the weekend.Tx

  • Ian - 2012-01-20 11:02

    gee, i wonder why, DUH

  • WigzellRM - 2012-01-20 11:17

    Ah well, at least it creates some jobs, which the jolly old government has failed to do.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-20 11:46

      Eish - job creation. That must be like rocket science to these fools.

  • Anthony - 2012-01-20 11:20

    My neighbor's house was broken into. She locked herself in her room and started screaming, I heard and activated my alarm, ADT was there in under two minutes, in five minutes they had secured the area, police arrive three minutes later...so ask me again who will I call the next time.

      Anthony - 2012-01-20 11:24

      That's not to say I don't respect or admire certain officers in the police force. It take real courage going to work knowing you could be called into a situation where you will be shot at and possibly injured or, hopefully not, killed. It's just that in an emergency I know who has the ability to answer first.

  • chrisjayweed - 2012-01-20 11:22

    They are working hand in hand. Look at it like this, we pay the cops to look after us, which they dont! They pay the private security firms to look after them. And its all coming from our money, taxes and hard work.

  • Fran - 2012-01-20 11:23

    BUT ADT IS CRAP THATS WHY THEY GOT DUMPED.

  • Dickson - 2012-01-20 11:24

    And the Government shows that crime has been reduced over the last 5 years? Well done private sector, if you don't do it, well there is no one else.

  • Tilly - 2012-01-20 11:31

    I had a young girl working for me and she told me when she did her secretarial training at a certain police station, calls would come through for assistance and they (the police) would say "all the vans are out at the moment" YET "all" the vans were parked in the back of the station and the police were playing card games.

      Sean - 2012-01-20 14:44

      Agreed, their work ethic is nil. I don't even see them writing facts in their notebooks. We need smaller units in each area, perhaps drawn from there with local knowledge.

  • denise.wilshire - 2012-01-20 11:35

    Sometimes in life one has to accept that even though you have paid for something, it does not guarantee that you will have service delivery. So stand up and be counted. Be proactive in your own life and set an example by your actions. In my experience, NONE of the security companies (ADT,CHUBB OR LECTRONIC FORCE) INCLUDING THE SAPS were visible in my suburb until we started a volunteer COMMUNITY POLICING FORUM. We now have all of these on our streets 24/7 including 2 civilian volunteer patrol vehicles. We police the police and security companies. They have become our friends we have had 0 crime during the patrol times for at least 6 months. Our overall pattern is that we have had 3 incidents since April 2010. Previously we had crime on a nightly basis, ranging from murders to petty crimes. Life is sweet. With this effort in mind, we sleep safer at night. Turn this country around. ALL IT TAKES FOR EVIL TO PREVAIL IS FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO DO NOTHING!

  • Eric - 2012-01-20 11:46

    The police arrested a thief caught INSIDE my house. Between the house and the SAPS station, they released him on the grounds that he said 'he worked for us'. I drew the obvious conclusion and engaged a security company to electrify the fence install alarms and provide armed response. You survive as best you can - and place no faith in the police at all.

  • Robin - 2012-01-20 11:57

    My only surprise here is that it's taken so long for somebody to realise this!

  • brad.norval - 2012-01-20 12:03

    Make the SAPS Private run it like a business... A Security business!

  • Patrick - 2012-01-20 13:08

    Thank God for ADT Security -

  • Rob - 2012-01-20 13:31

    If you believe that police in any country are capable of effective crime prevention I think that you are deluded. Crime prevention starts in the home and is reinforced by school and society peer experiences. In order to be effective at crime prevention you would need to have a policeperson located in every home, obviously not feasible. In a manner of speaking this is the role of private security companies, although thier perspective is the community not the home. Therefore the police's main responsibility is surely crime investigation....do security companies do that, not that I know of. So the question of who does a better job is loaded and emotive. There are good and bad police, and good and bad security companies.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-20 13:39

      Don't fool yourself Rob. If you knew anything you would realise that Police presence, knowledge of the laws that protect induviduals, willingness to actually do some work and comon sense is what will keep you and me safe. America knows this and their police force is trained accordingly. The bad apples just fade away with a proper system.

      Rob - 2012-01-20 14:12

      Star Struck: Which part of the USA are you saying doesn't have crime???????? At best a high police presence outside my home will ensure that the criminals move their activities to somewhere else. Of course, policing can reduce crime becuase an informed and effective police system will have criminal intelligence (the information type) and therefore will be able to identify and process perpetrators.....after they have committed a crime. This is not crime prevention in my books, it is effective policing of criminal behaviour.

  • branden.hart - 2012-01-20 13:52

    Why phone the police if A) They can't understand you. B) They don't know the road names in their own precinct C) They don't have cars.

      Sean - 2012-01-20 14:42

      Compare this with our local security company. 1. The call centre is very far away from the area and they don't have local knowledge. 2. The patrol vehicles sometimes don't pitch up because they prioritise calls the way they feel like. They don't call back (ever). 3. You can't notify them about a crime occuring at your neighbour's premises because you "aren't the subscriber". 4. They don't know the area, they don't know the local criminals, they don't have anything (apart from a small spreadsheet) of records specifically for crime intelligence -and on a social scale, don't care if your suburb gets vapourised.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-20 15:55

      @ Sean - Comunity policing is by far the best solution. The comunity stand together and protect their families and friends. ohh and cameras on light poles seems to scare them off too.

      StarStruck - 2012-01-20 15:56

      Community ------- this day is just too long, lol.

  • Andre - 2012-01-20 14:00

    Apart from a very small group of dedicated policemen, the rest cannot be trusted. They are dishonest and unco-operative, apart from their bad attitudes. They are definitely not there to serve the community no matter what they say and is useless in reolving cases in any case. They are completely incompetent and untrainable. They are sloppy and non-chalant wherever you see them. Sorry, but it is true. God forbid that one has to deal with them in anyway.

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-20 14:14

    My negative points about the SAPS. They often do not have vans to attend to you, they arrive roughly about 45 minutes after the emergency and on three occasions the police receptionist could not understand my perfectly fluent English. However, I must add that since the world cup in 2010 I have seen more police vans doing the rounds. Which I love and I applaud. Also as any young person I do my errands at night like vampires, I have been stopped a few times but I have never been assaulted or treated like a criminal by any police official. However, I know many people who can tell a different tale.

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-01-20 14:22

    lets replace the fat corrupt police with enforcers with muscle to tackle crime. problem solved.

  • Chris - 2012-01-20 14:27

    I would be carefull to put to much trust in security companies. They have their own ways to get a foot in an area, send crime teams in to cause havoc and then the maketing guys come in and tell everybody they can reduce crime. Everybody signs up and the armed response vehicle come into the area and the crime team leave and everyone think the security company is the next best thing to sliced cheese. They are just an bunch of gunslinging wannabe cops, and if you speak to them they always have a Rambo attitude and more secretice than the KGB.

  • Sean - 2012-01-20 14:36

    Using commercial companies to do police work is a risky venture. My own experience is quite chilling. I was told I couldn't joint the local eWatch scheme because I was not a member of ADT - and ADT had made this part of their conditions in providing information to the suburb. The Resident's Association has ADT flags everywhere during crime meetings and on their website and newsletter. To attend, and try and discuss the failures of ADT is a social no-no. Even the DA Councilor shuts people up at AGMs who complain when ADT messes up. Imagine if ADT were the only contact? It just would not work.

      Patrick - 2012-01-21 11:27

      Please send me your contact details - would like to discuss the above with you.

  • Willie - 2012-01-20 15:10

    Yep first hand knowlege, the cops can take up to two weeks to react to a complaint. Or as in my case never follow up on an armed robbery, that's why I now live in Australia, where the police actually care about their duties. By the way what does SAPF stand for? Service absent pathetic F!@#$%^&k ups? The South African Police is an embarassment not only to themselfs and their families but to every real policeman trying to do their jobs all over the world. Sies Skaam julle, and I do not mean the hand full of Policemen and woman working their butts of you have my support and respect. Must say the worst of the worst must all be assembled in Empangeni KZN.

  • Patrick - 2012-01-20 17:41

    Reading all the bad comments is not good at all. The SAPS have some good and dedicated members. There are some bad ones like in all organisations. Residents need to take back their streets and stop always throwing stones at the SAPS. Why don’t residents get involved by attending the Community Police Forums and Sector Policing Forums. These two platforms are the platforms residents need to attend to make their voices heard. In my community I attend them (Kuilsriver Cape Town), and you won’t believe what great SAPS personnel we have working in our area. We keep them on their toes and they give us residents feedback at every meeting, and they are always on time when attending meeting. We also have an community website with all SAPS information on. We as residents need to take the SAPS hands and form a partnership with them. Come on all you complainers and negative residents, get involved in your Neighbourhood Watchers and help make your area a safer place. Together we can make an difference.

  • isiphukuphuku - 2012-01-21 04:16

    Life in The Third World...

  • amanda.terblans - 2012-01-21 07:31

    Tax rebates please!! and also for the fact that you cannot use state schools or state hospitals.. we should be rebated for all these things as quite clearly we are paying taxes for services we cannot use.we should be able to submit our accounts for armed response. school fees and medical aid costs with our tax returns and be refunded !!!

  • Francois - 2012-01-21 08:14

    The Police would do their job better if the courts would stop releasing the ones caught! You would also stop doing your job if your boss keeps sending back your work (no matter how well you did it).The answer is not changing the police, it's changing the law!

      Boer - 2012-01-21 21:32

      Right 100%

  • Koekies - 2012-01-21 10:25

    Fortunately we have alternatives....

  • an0nthinker - 2012-01-21 13:09

    Even the police stations have subscriptions to security companies. What does that tell you?

  • Frank - 2012-01-21 16:31

    Wheres Cele??

  • Johnny - 2012-01-22 00:08

    I think one thing which could improve the situation is: to hire a whole bunch of civilian secretaries to do the paperwork for the police... At the moment policemen are just secretaries with guns, they know that if they catch someone they will have to do five hours of paperwork... That's a big put-off! But, if they knew all they had to do was catch criminals - and there were secretaries available to take reports etc - I think we would see a slight improvement in services...