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Arms display at hate speech trial 'dangerous'

2011-04-14 13:29

Bloemfontein - ANC leaders going around with personal security displaying weapons sets a dangerous trend, Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said on Thursday.

"This is not a military state. This is not a military dictatorship," Lekota reacted to the heavily-armed private security guards who surrounded ANC Youth League president Julius Malema outside court in Johannesburg this week.

"Leaders of the ruling party going around with almost personal militia are a very dangerous trend," he said.

Lekota said what the country saw with Malema and some other ANC leaders were people carrying "machine guns" in the midst of a large number of ordinary citizens, whose lives were all in danger.

The Congress of the People leader said that, under the Constitution, any citizen could approach the law enforcement departments to ask for protection.

Could they control situation?

He said a study would be done and the authorities would recommend the amount of protection that was required, if necessary.

"People supplied for protection are properly trained and given appropriate weapons."

Lekota asked whether the police or the "elements" brought in by Malema would have been able to control the situation if there had been an incident at court on the day.

"How would they have taken command of the situation? Would they have been under the command of the police?" he asked, advising the public to speak out on this.

Malema has appeared in the Equality Court this week on a charge of alleged hate speech brought by the civil rights group AfriForum over his singing of a struggle song containing the lyrics "shoot the boer" or "awudubhule ibhunu".
 

Comments
  • daaivark - 2011-04-14 13:36

    OK. Not very original, as people were expressing similar dismay immediately. But perhaps if a political figure focusses a bit more attention on it, it will make some kind of impact, though the leadership of the ANCYL seem to give feathers for anyone's opinion but those held by their truly idiotic heroes. Pity it isn't coming from someone with a bit of credibility though.

      wattalotokak - 2011-04-14 15:05

      If I recall correctly, the heads of state of the most powerful nations on earth had bodyguards that were being seen, but their guns and protection tools were not. In THIS case, the guns were the main focus and THAT was the main thing about displaying the guns! The trouble is about - what would have happened if anyone entered the court house for their own cases? would they have been intimidated? YES Would they have perhaps caused some trouble? YES And if there WAS trouble - would thos "bodyguards" have opened FIRE??? on WHO??? My goodness this is a criminal act in the waiting...!

      ohsa.online - 2011-04-14 15:21

      @wattalotokak "My goodness this is a criminal act in the waiting???" It WAS a criminal act already. No firearm may be carried EXPOSED in that manner except by Uniformed Law Enforcement personnel. Those red tie wearing dodos were overdressed car-guards, no more, and as such broke the law when they not only carried those weapons exposed but also entered into an area that specifically states that firearms are not allowed. Why did the SAPS members at the Court not arrest those security guards? Why were they not stopped outside the metal detectors at the entrance to court? Why have those SAPS members on duty at the court entrance not been charged with dereliction of duty? This is turning into a HUGE COVER-UP by The Association of National Criminals and is setting the tone for JuliArse MalEneMa to stage an armed coup. Pres SH had better watch his step or JuliArse will have him replaced or recalled ALA Mbeki.

      emzozo.. - 2011-04-14 17:09

      Jealousy makes ppl nasty Just because Lekota cant affort a body guard and is not worthy of one. Malema is the MAN....

      Mundu - 2011-04-14 17:24

      Just more evidence of a Banana Republic

      Cheq - 2011-04-15 12:41

      @emzozo - I bet your first name was MISTAKE when you were born...

  • Grant - 2011-04-14 13:37

    Lekote is right, if there had been an incident, with automatic rifles, there would have been a bloodbath. I personally believe the main aim behind these bodygaurds/miltia was one of intimidation. This jelli tot is starting to remind me more of Idi Amin then Mad Bob.

      Mikea - 2011-04-14 13:59

      100%. Although I think Idi was one Brain cell ahead.

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-14 14:04

      Kiddie Amin

      sonnyg - 2011-04-14 14:28

      As well as the AWB back in the day.

      lean - 2011-04-14 14:58

      Well, if one day this'gorilla glandulars' will possibly replace Zooma/// I am afraid to say it and not to sound racist but,.... GET USE TO IT ...

      Organist-1 - 2011-04-14 16:27

      The sooner helen and patricia declare the western cape a selfgoverning republic the better. At least then our poor colord folk who belong her will get the service delivery the Gov won't supply.

      onetickie - 2011-04-14 22:42

      That is exactly what the jARSE is obviously hoping for. Some whitie to be shot, and I'm being serious.

  • simcard1506 - 2011-04-14 13:43

    How did the court security allow these armed bodyguards....Surely some1 was not doing their duty....Come on COPE.....focus on the issue rather than the noise..

      daaivark - 2011-04-14 13:50

      There we have it. Nicely said.

      DeonL - 2011-04-14 14:13

      Yes, they should have been arrested according to a piece in today's paper.

      Jo - 2011-04-14 14:18

      I guess he was raising the part of the issue that he wanted to - glad someone from any political party actually manned-up to ask the question. Both his and your questions are relevant.

  • Bottom line - 2011-04-14 13:53

    Unfortunately COPE is useless, can't even sort themselves out.

      DeonL - 2011-04-14 14:16

      Lekota is not so bad, his co-leader / founder is the problem. If there were only ANC and Cope to chose from, Cope would get my vote.

      Point Blank - 2011-04-14 15:10

      @DeonL, neither would get my vote... Lekota was a completely useless minister!

      Gatvol - 2011-04-14 16:49

      If I only had the option of voting for the ANC or the devil, I think the devil will get my vote

  • DieBaas - 2011-04-14 13:54

    Julius is scared shitless, there might be a "wit wolf" in the crowd waiting for him.

      FalseGods - 2011-04-14 14:17

      He's not scared at all, it's show man ship, it's just how mentalists and con-men get away with their tricks, if he was so scared, why would his 'body guards' dress so visually? The kind of person that kind of weaponry would be needed for, would a professional, and you wouldn't want to stand out for a professional...it is a distraction, and helps to fuel his agenda.

      K_za - 2011-04-14 14:56

      Unfortunately, it's what appeals to the youth. The gangster look. It symbolises power (to them).

  • K@K Praat? - 2011-04-14 13:55

    I wonder if they would have pointed them at the AWB if they where present?

  • MadMatt_88 - 2011-04-14 13:55

    http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Malema-SA-could-be-swallowed-by-Bric-20110410 Cant believe I actually agree with something coming out of this idiot's mouth.

      alison - 2011-04-14 14:51

      i seriously doubt that those are his words at all. might have come out of his mouth but not his brain.

  • MadMatt_88 - 2011-04-14 13:55

    http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Malema-SA-could-be-swallowed-by-Bric-20110410 Cant believe I actually agree with something coming out of this idiot's mouth.

  • Lethu - 2011-04-14 13:56

    Funny he see this now...

      Jo - 2011-04-14 14:19

      Actually, I'm only thinking about it now too - I wonder how the court allowed it? Maybe we should all start asking more questions.

  • beansdog - 2011-04-14 13:59

    Simple answer to the headline really... Julius is probably kakking off that one of the boers he plans to shoot might make the first move...

  • beansdog - 2011-04-14 14:00

    Simple answer to the headline really... Julius is probably kakking off that one of the boers he plans to shoot might make the first move...

  • HJS - 2011-04-14 14:00

    Good to have the support of "Terror" on this one, a voice of sanity in a sea of morons. Perhaps one for the Hawks to deal with, are those weapons even licensed? Ordinary law abiding citizens can not even obtain a license for a single normal hunting rifle to get a bit of biltong in winter? Me thinks all those "gangstas" should have the weapons confiscated and be locked up. Court entrance security must have felt they were "outgunned" so did not stop them going in.

  • Adrian - 2011-04-14 14:02

    How come non-police bodyguards get to walk around with automatic weapons? I thought that only the Police & Army were allowed to do so. As far as I know nobody else could get licensed for automatics. So if I call my wife my bodyguard is she then allowed to carry a R4, R5, what about an AK47 (are they legal). It would be very interesting to know what exact weapons they were carrying, where those weapons came from and where they obtained the licenses to carry them.

      Shistirrer - 2011-04-14 14:13

      Firearms Control Act 60 of 2000 Prohibited ?rearms 4. (1) The following ?rearms and devices are prohibited ?rearms and may not be possessed or licensed in terms of this Act, except as provided for in sections 17, 18(5), 19 and 20(1)(b): (a) Any fully automatic ?rearm; ... (e) any imitation of any device contemplated in paragraph (a), (b), (c), or (d); (f) any ?rearm— (i) the mechanism of which has been altered so as to enable the discharging of more than one shot with a single depression of the trigger;

  • Rensche Schwartz - 2011-04-14 14:03

    Carrying guns? Are these people (our leaders)feeling threatened by the "democracy" they've created? Looks more like an admission of guilt....

  • Kabelo - 2011-04-14 14:06

    Poor Lekota...when did you notice that? Is it after Mbeki's era or when u started heading COPE? U r a very stubbron and short tempered leader - you failed Eastern Free State as a premier, you are greedy and u want it all to you. If it was u - it will be fine n u'd not care about what people say. Don't look for things to critisize even in small things like this - those guys are doing they job - they get paid. Rather focus ur energy on ur party - why is Shilowa out? Isn't he also a pillar in this party of urs? tELL us such not this.

      Grant - 2011-04-14 14:13

      Kabelo, this is not about Lekota, it is about Malema and his private army....are you saying malema is right to be surrounded by heavily armed thugs?

      willieman - 2011-04-14 14:24

      Kabelo, obviously you cannot debate rationally

      willieman - 2011-04-14 14:24

      Kabelo, obviously you cannot debate rationally

      willieman - 2011-04-14 14:25

      Kabelo, obviously you cannot debate rationally

      clifford.pike1 - 2011-04-14 14:43

      Hmmm, Kabelo, I'm not sure that the big issue in this story is whether or not Lekota or anybody else has commented on the necessity of having a band of heavily armed guards present in court. The issue is more a series of questions: 1) Why the need for such a show of force? Who or what is posing a threat serious enough to justify this display? 2)Are the assault rifles they carry a necessary precaution or a means of intimidating those around them? The weapon of choice for many high-profile bodyguards is the Uzi machine pistol - it can be concealed, which suits the purpose of protection, rather than intimidation and / or assault. Big weapons are intimidating, aggressive and can provoke situations that may or may not be necessary. 3) Why start an "arms race"? If people in politics start brandishing big guns, it creates a need for them and soon, every public political event will require ever-increasing numbers of muscle and firepower. The NP aggressively used big guns, armoured vehicles and other tools of intimidation to "protect themselves", too. How long until big guns are fired and not just brandished? Think about that and then try to justify your argument...

      Philip - 2011-04-14 15:15

      And Kabelo to add another question to that of clifford.pike1: What is anty Winny Mandela doing at the woodworking geniuses side? What does she what to gain? Does she get paid by the state to be there?

      Philip - 2011-04-14 15:16

      And Kabelo to add another question to that of clifford.pike1: What is anty Winny Mandela doing at the woodworking geniuses side? What does she what to gain? Does she get paid by the state to be there?

      Philip - 2011-04-14 15:16

      And Kabelo to add another question to that of clifford.pike1: What is anty Winny Mandela doing at the woodworking geniuses side? What does she what to gain? Does she get paid by the state to be there?

  • customdesign - 2011-04-14 14:08

    Those guns are illegal- funny the article didn't mention it

  • Kabelo - 2011-04-14 14:08

    Poor Lekota...when did you notice that? Is it after Mbeki's era or when u started heading COPE? U r a very stubbron and short tempered leader - you failed Eastern Free State as a premier, you are greedy and u want it all to you. If it was u - it will be fine n u'd not care about what people say. Don't look for things to critisize even in small things like this - those guys are doing they job - they get paid. Rather focus ur energy on ur party - why is Shilowa out? Isn't he also a pillar in this party of urs? tELL us such not this.

  • ricardo.mafuna - 2011-04-14 14:08

    Lol,cope will never be a ruling party,lekota should focus on the enternal issues of his mickey mouse party,power hungry leaders.

      Jo - 2011-04-14 14:23

      Weird comment - maybe you could focus on the question and not the man? It's a good question for any citizen to ask: why were there so many secuirty guards, who are they, why wasn't there court security provided, are all their guns licenced, are they properly trained to shoot automatic weapons in a court-house full of innocent people? These are the sort of questions leaders SHOULD ask.

      Dessy - 2011-04-14 16:48

      Stop focusing on the man Ricardo He never talked about himself, he critised Malema's mafia croonies, show of forece Ricardo get off your wooden soap box, grow up a bit. The citizens of the country have the full right to ask that questions or do you think the ANC members are untouchable hmm, no they are not and they should respect other people in South Africa. I fully agree with Mr Lakota since when is South Africa a Military state.

  • Trevor - 2011-04-14 14:08

    Called intimidation,16 lawyers,heavy guards, he's trying to create the scene that he's bigger than he really is...in fact, I would any day love to stand in a EMPTY room with him ALONE, just one on one,only one walks out, love to see what kind of a man he really is seen as he thinks woman are 2nd rate humans & he's such a "tough guy"...anyday Julius...any day..we;ve been gatvol of yr crap for a long time....you the Cancer of our country.

      philani.goba - 2011-04-14 14:34

      actually trevor there's a much bigger problem that everybody is niglecting..we keep on saying Julius is bad bla bla bla..but the actual citizens who support him, actually fuel this wildfire up..there's the cancer right there..my fellow black citizens

  • wide awake - 2011-04-14 14:18

    This is the normal behavior of dictators. As history shows a dictator needs to get rid of the whites, reason being the majority of whites are linked in one way or another to first world democracies where governments are made to work for the people, so whites are the first to notice things like corruption, ineffective use of money etc. The dictator cannot allow his followers to be aware, he needs them brainwashed and easily manipulated. In this case the cANCer who realize their followers are starting to notice that they are stealing everything and not delivering on their promises. Create a diversion, revive racism, make it about some sort of struggle, keep the population busy let them sing songs etc. When they ask about the promise of a better future etc. Tell them to go and take whatever they want from the middle class. What follows is the majority of whites leave, those that remain have an attitude of it is pointless making a noise and they refrain from being aware of whats going on, farms turn into wasteland etc. Next comes continued protests from the population as whatever money is left is continually stolen, big business and investment become a memory of the past and the situation becomes a select band of wealthy dictators running a country with a starving population. The latest antics by the cANCer and the spectacle of the Malema court case as well as the killing of a protester by the government are sure signs that is where this country is headed.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-14 14:18

    This is the normal behavior of dictators. As history shows a dictator needs to get rid of the whites, reason being the majority of whites are linked in one way or another to first world democracies where governments are made to work for the people, so whites are the first to notice things like corruption, ineffective use of money etc. The dictator cannot allow his followers to be aware, he needs them brainwashed and easily manipulated. In this case the cANCer who realize their followers are starting to notice that they are stealing everything and not delivering on their promises. Create a diversion, revive racism, make it about some sort of struggle, keep the population busy let them sing songs etc. When they ask about the promise of a better future etc. Tell them to go and take whatever they want from the middle class. What follows is the majority of whites leave, those that remain have an attitude of it is pointless making a noise and they refrain from being aware of whats going on, farms turn into wasteland etc. Next comes continued protests from the population as whatever money is left is continually stolen, big business and investment become a memory of the past and the situation becomes a select band of wealthy dictators running a country with a starving population. The latest antics by the cANCer and the spectacle of the Malema court case as well as the killing of a protester by the government are sure signs that is where this country is headed.

  • mark.molema80 - 2011-04-14 14:19

    I'm sure the DA, who actually give a damn about our country would say the same on this.

      youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-04-14 17:34

      The DA seems quite silent on this matter. Seems like they are unwilling to fight for the rights of Afrikaners...

  • wide awake - 2011-04-14 14:19

    This is the normal behavior of dictators. As history shows a dictator needs to get rid of the whites, reason being the majority of whites are linked in one way or another to first world democracies where governments are made to work for the people, so whites are the first to notice things like corruption, ineffective use of money etc. The dictator cannot allow his followers to be aware, he needs them brainwashed and easily manipulated. In this case the cANCer who realize their followers are starting to notice that they are stealing everything and not delivering on their promises. Create a diversion, revive racism, make it about some sort of struggle, keep the population busy let them sing songs etc. When they ask about the promise of a better future etc. Tell them to go and take whatever they want from the middle class. What follows is the majority of whites leave, those that remain have an attitude of it is pointless making a noise and they refrain from being aware of whats going on, farms turn into wasteland etc. Next comes continued protests from the population as whatever money is left is continually stolen, big business and investment become a memory of the past and the situation becomes a select band of wealthy dictators running a country with a starving population. The latest antics by the cANCer and the spectacle of the Malema court case as well as the killing of a protester by the government are sure signs that is where this country is headed.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-14 14:20

    This is the normal behavior of dictators. As history shows a dictator needs to get rid of the whites, reason being the majority of whites are linked in one way or another to first world democracies where governments are made to work for the people, so whites are the first to notice things like corruption, ineffective use of money etc. The dictator cannot allow his followers to be aware, he needs them brainwashed and easily manipulated. In this case the cANCer who realize their followers are starting to notice that they are stealing everything and not delivering on their promises. Create a diversion, revive racism, make it about some sort of struggle, keep the population busy let them sing songs etc. When they ask about the promise of a better future etc. Tell them to go and take whatever they want from the middle class. What follows is the majority of whites leave, those that remain have an attitude of it is pointless making a noise and they refrain from being aware of whats going on, farms turn into wasteland etc. Next comes continued protests from the population as whatever money is left is continually stolen, big business and investment become a memory of the past and the situation becomes a select band of wealthy dictators running a country with a starving population. The latest antics by the cANCer and the spectacle of the Malema court case as well as the killing of a protester by the government are sure signs that is where this country is headed.

  • observing - 2011-04-14 14:20

    I think we should now all refrain from dangerous utterances. Eg 'One farmer ons taxi'. My workers who are first class citizens does not want to be killed by a witwolf.

  • Maria - 2011-04-14 14:20

    I have personally been so surprised by his need for that kind of protection. I agree with you completely this is not a military state. Can you imagine what would have happened if there was an incident, it would have been a major gunfight and would hate to think of the amount of innocent lives that would have been affected. Has he had some really serious threat's on his life for him to feel the need to have this kind of show. Mandela himself doesn't parade around with armed men. Which should be fined by the fashion police as there matching ties where a joke. The one thing I love about South Africa is freedom of speech and expression. It is also important to have heritage. The struggle is OVER there is no more apartheid it is history. As long as the youth keep looking back things will never move forward. I also wish that we can be the rainbow nation that makes South Africa so unique. Why does it always have to be a black and white thing. GET OVER IT it is 2011 and everything is possible. If farmers where not getting slaughtered then it wouldn't be an issue. Peoples lives are been devastated but spreading this negative angry song. By Malema preaching this as a public figure he is by default condoning the farm murders. That is not acceptable!!

      Wayne - 2011-04-14 14:59

      I honestly wish there was a gunfight and Malema was a casualty :P Then the ANC would be held responsible for being negligent and get sued for the lives lost.

  • observing - 2011-04-14 14:21

    I think we should now all refrain from dangerous utterances. Eg 'One farmer ons taxi'. My workers who are first class citizens does not want to be killed by a witwolf.

  • observing - 2011-04-14 14:21

    I think we should now all refrain from dangerous utterances. Eg 'One farmer ons taxi'. My workers who are first class citizens does not want to be killed by a witwolf.

  • Andrew - 2011-04-14 14:22

    This story sucks!! Too much talk about what is obvious. The last time we saw this kind of thing was from the AWB. Same same.... Wankers filled with their own self-importance!

  • Andrew - 2011-04-14 14:23

    This story sucks!! Too much talk about what is obvious. The last time we saw this kind of thing was from the AWB. Same same.... Wankers filled with their own self-importance!

  • ngalo - 2011-04-14 14:24

    Owww shwassh off, you're jst looking for some votes now or or or

  • Rey Mister - 2011-04-14 14:25

    Why are we giving this fart in the wind airtime? The fact that the white people dislike him makes the ANC support him more. He is so one dimensional it isn't funny. Let him into government, his own people will run him out when they see he is as thick as two planks.

  • Rey Mister - 2011-04-14 14:27

    Why are we giving him airtime? Let him in government, his own people with tire of him when they have to admit he is as thick as two planks.

  • ? - 2011-04-14 14:27

    I am left with the impression that theres nothing more racist than a black south african and black zimbabwean

  • uMegaladon - 2011-04-14 14:32

    If you look at pictures every one of the "bodygards" are holding their rifles in a different way. These are no highly trained specialists, they are a mob of ragtag ruffian bullies who probably couldn't shoot their way out od a paper bag.

      K_za - 2011-04-14 15:03

      I had the same thought yesterday LOL. Looks like they were told "just look intimidating in your men in black suites". Maybe they are hired actors LOL

  • uMegaladon - 2011-04-14 14:32

    If you look at pictures every one of the "bodyguards" are holding their rifles in a different way. These are no highly trained specialists, they are a mob of ragtag ruffian bullies who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag.

  • uMegaladon - 2011-04-14 14:33

    If you look at pictures every one of the "bodyguards" are holding their rifles in a different way. These are no highly trained specialists, they are a mob of ragtag ruffian bullies who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag.

  • VuyosWors - 2011-04-14 14:35

    Its amusing that the brave lion Malema is so scared he needs a personal army to protect him. Its good to know that he still fears the white man.

  • VuyosWors - 2011-04-14 14:35

    Its amusing that the brave lion Malema is so scared he needs a personal army to protect him. Its good to know that he still fears the white man.

  • uMegaladon - 2011-04-14 14:36

    If you look at pictures every one of the "bodyguards" are holding their rifles in a different way. These are no highly trained specialists, they are a mob of ragtag ruffian bullies who probably couldn't shoot their way out of a paper bag.

  • crocoros - 2011-04-14 14:38

    Was it perhaps a display of POWER? I don't think that even the American President has had such a display of openly armed bodyguards. Goes to show the mentality of South Africa's leaders.

      multicon - 2011-04-14 14:44

      Its rather a sign of paranoia.

  • Santapola - 2011-04-14 14:38

    Mr Lekota could you please shut up...You were surrounded by the bodygurds while you still in power...Who said there will be an incident? U can fix ur party and leave our issues alone

      The Observer - 2011-04-14 14:48

      Santapola. "Who said there will be an incident?" So why have automatic weapons?

      The Observer - 2011-04-14 14:48

      Santapola. "Who said there will be an incident?" So why have automatic weapons?

      K_za - 2011-04-14 15:04

      Does it not bother you that these were automatic weapons? Is that what Lekota had?

      black mamba - 2011-04-15 12:40

      Its because boers hate our comrades. We have too shoot now.....

  • crocoros - 2011-04-14 14:40

    Was it perhaps a display of POWER? I don't think that even the American President has had such a display of openly armed bodyguards. Goes to show the mentality of South Africa's leaders.

  • multicon - 2011-04-14 14:43

    I like Lekota. Good man,

  • Kelvin moyo - 2011-04-14 14:49

    malema is mugabe

  • Kelvin moyo - 2011-04-14 14:51

    malema is mugabe

  • neddy - 2011-04-14 14:51

    He's right but as usual black politicians always state the bleeding obvious but never do anything about it. Malema and all his asociates should be removed off the face of the earth. Come on decend black people don't settle for the monkies who are giving you a bad racial wrap.

  • neddy - 2011-04-14 14:51

    He's right but as usual black politicians always state the bleeding obvious but never do anything about it. Malema and all his asociates should be removed off the face of the earth. Come on decend black people don't settle for the monkies who are giving you a bad racial wrap.

  • neddy - 2011-04-14 14:51

    He's right but as usual black politicians always state the bleeding obvious but never do anything about it. Malema and all his asociates should be removed off the face of the earth. Come on decend black people don't settle for the monkies who are giving you a bad racial wrap.

  • neddy - 2011-04-14 14:52

    He's right but as usual black politicians always state the bleeding obvious but never do anything about it. Malema and all his asociates should be removed off the face of the earth. Come on decend black people don't settle for the poopouls who are giving you a bad racial wrap.