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Big screen for Malema supporters

2011-04-19 10:31

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League has put up a big screen outside the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg on Tuesday to allow its supporters to watch television coverage of the hate speech trial of its president Julius Malema.

However, not many supporters were gathered outside the court before the start of the case, with some opting to stand under the shelter opposite the court building.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane were expected to take the stand on Tuesday, time permitting.

Malema was also expected to give testimony in the high court, sitting as the Equality Court.

Afrikaner interest group AfriForum has taken Malema to court, contending that his singing of a struggle song containing the lyrics "awudubhule ibhunu" or "shoot the boer" constitutes hate speech.

Comments
  • spiral - 2011-04-19 10:36

    what an absolute waste of time! Any song sung with lyrics of "shoot anyone" should'nt be tolerated in todays murder filled society, however important the song may be to whatever group of recovering "struggle-ees". The only reason the ANC is getting its feathers so ruffled is because its a group of afrikaaners telling a group on non-whites what to do... the song i'll bet has no REAL importance to them at all!

      Shadoz - 2011-04-19 10:44

      you know that most of these people that are outside the court probely have never seen a TV before this and call it malema magic.

      REVO - 2011-04-19 10:52

      Ok, now i understand why they needed so many armed guards, they obviously have to keep the crowd back so they don’t steal the flat screen.

      Zion - 2011-04-19 10:58

      The outcome of this case will be indicative of the divergence of the aspirations and thought patterns of the two racial groups concerned. It may also indicate the weight and value those groups place on what is perceived as good and evil. This case also exposes the crude and "primitive cultural aspects" brought to the fore by racial intolerance on both sides. From a white point of view the ANC is in total acceptance of murder and brutality against its perceived opponents and whites in general even though those whites may have only just entered this country-akin to Zimbabwe.

      Protest - 2011-04-19 10:59

      I question the timing of this "Big Screen" move. The ANC supporters will only see the defence portion of the court case. How biased do you think that is going to leave them?

      ReThan - 2011-04-19 11:01

      hahahahahha @ REVO.

      James - 2011-04-19 11:54

      I agree .... WHAT A WASTE OF TIME .... and money ...... all Bullsh*t and NO brians ....

      Chief Belebe - 2011-04-19 11:59

      @spiral, you should say what a waste of our Democratic SA cos the way i see it SA will end up like many other African Nations who will go to war should their favoured Person or Party loss the Elections, watch the space! This is turned to be forshiping more that supporting and the more Malema gets coverage the more he gets a stance of being a SA President one day. It has proven before without mentioning names here.

      Michael - 2011-04-19 12:13

      @spiral and james, time-wasting is you spending 4hrs daily browsing and posting s**t on news24 rather than doing something productive!

      clifford.pike1 - 2011-04-19 12:21

      Mr Malema may have failed miserably at school, but he knows his customers inside out - because he was one of them. Playing the crowd with their choice of toys, they will write new songs about him, adoring him instead of choosing a different leader for their youth league, as seemed likely before this case thrust him into the limelight (not spotlight) once again. AfriForum are about to learn a nasty lesson in irony. Sure, they have given a stage to a very important issue in our country - that of a simmering tension, heated by a lack of true progress between different race groups. What they haven't been able to control is the surging popularity Mr Malema is enjoying. AfriForum have been doing the marketing for their opponent's product - Malema and the ANC in general. If anything, this case threatens to do more harm than good. Harm to the DA, harm to race relations in SA and harm to their own cause. Can pity really be expected from wronged people? Believe me, I am not on the ANC's side - I find their corrupt, lazy, thieving ways despicable - especially in these times of recession, when many people can't even feed themselves, they build bigger mansions with their ill-gotten gains. I'm not getting into that again, I've said the same things so many times. What I do want to ask is: how could AfriForum have expected a different reaction from SA's masses? Who did they think would rally to their cause? The timing was all wrong and Malema will be the only winner here.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-19 12:29

      @ clifford.pike1 - I must agree with you. Your views are similar to what Max du Preez said in his column today, that AfriForum made a strategic mistake is taking this issue to court. He is usually spot on.

      Andrew - 2011-04-19 13:07

      MELEMA must not forget to thank AFRIFORUM for all this publicity and for increasing his popularity with black voters. In my opinion, Afriforum maybe right but they in a lose / lose situation. MELEMA is not as stupid as most people think. Even if he loses the case, he will be better off with the black voter and will be heading towards being president oneday.

      spiral - 2011-04-19 13:37

      @Michael - & u get the "4hrs" from where? I see you commented to so do you fall under the catagory you're complaining about??

      Keyboard - 2011-04-19 14:21

      @Protest.I totally agree with you. The ANC is practicing national propaganda to ‘inspire’ and brain wash the uneducated here.

      Barry - 2011-04-19 16:23

      I wonder who is paying for the hiring? uhmmmm uhmmmmm uhmmmm let me guess?????? Probably our taxes as the Ancyl still have not paid for their Hotel fees. Now we know why a former bodyguard was involved in a heist.

  • daaivark - 2011-04-19 10:37

    This is such rubbish. The man is being treated as some kind of Messiah. It is really not as if anything like a majority of people here grant him any credence, so this perpetual insistence by the ANCYL to stuff him and his truly divisive idiocy down the throats of the greater public is just insulting. I don't know quite what is worse, wasting funds on your stupid parties or on this public affront.

      Jo - 2011-04-19 12:00

      I know - poor service delivery protestors can't afford big screens, or else they could set one up across the road from this one. It would be the most sensible debate in pictures anyone's seen for ages.

  • Shadoz - 2011-04-19 10:37

    journalism is only good for these people when it serves there purpose. I hope Jub jub gets drilled in front of all his supporters and cracks.

  • Protest - 2011-04-19 10:39

    The insanity blossoms.

  • nvledwaba - 2011-04-19 10:39

    with the support i have seen in several court appearences, it means there is a lot of unemployment in SA OR MAYBE some a bunking their work to support shooooooo.i think the screens should be costing the ANC YOUTH LEAGUE SOME MOOLA.....can't they just take this money to help out for water shortage in FITTSBURG.....aniway i forget that here is mzansi, wat matters most does'nt matter.

      Deebo - 2011-04-19 12:24

      I agree, but actually it's Ficksburg, Not Fittsburg or even Pittsburgh

      nvledwaba - 2011-04-19 14:30

      eeish FICKSBURG

  • Happy-go-lucky - 2011-04-19 10:39

    oh great...now they going to riot because there is no free popcorn, KFC and coke

      derson - 2011-04-19 11:25

      hahaha - hilarious :)

      derkus - 2011-04-19 12:34

      but at least they will get a ANC cap and t-shirt

  • kolobe - 2011-04-19 10:40

    the revolution is being televised , including the bloody agent's bbc hardtalk

      mummford - 2011-04-19 10:44

      Do they know how to switch it on??

      Michael - 2011-04-19 10:49

      What revolution are you talking about? The only revolution this country will see in the near future is when the constituency take off the blinders that have been forced on them by the ANC, realise that they have all been taken for a ride by the ANC, and vote the incumbent government out of power!

      Happy-go-lucky - 2011-04-19 11:02

      trust me, with the technology that people have in their houses today, the people there who worked in those houses know exactly how to operate the TV, Hi-fi, phone, fridge and how to get the most of laying on the couch too

      The Observer - 2011-04-19 11:12

      Happy-go-lucky. You are correct but missed the point of stealing handy andy, dish wash, food etc. and then getting paid. Seems to me that is not that hard a life afterall. Sit around watching tv eating the boss's food, nice.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-04-19 11:55

      Which revolution ? The one against youself , last i looked the ANC were in charge. No revolution could last forever without leading to total anarchy. Just as the world cannot exist on wars, so they cannot exist on revolutions.

      DeonL - 2011-04-19 12:01

      The revolution is dead in SA, go to Lybya, you are in the wrong country, ha ha.

      kolobe - 2011-04-19 12:10

      Mad Hatter africans are not in charge of the jse

      Barry - 2011-04-19 16:35

      mummford you gave me a good laugh

  • Badger - 2011-04-19 10:42

    I hope they remember to dish out peanuts to his supporters while they are having the big screen!!!

      derkus - 2011-04-19 12:36

      so that is where my stolen big screen has has landed

      Henry - 2011-04-19 12:47

      That will get a few votes

  • FRpower - 2011-04-19 10:43

    What a Circus and all the clowns will be there.

      Phineas - 2011-04-19 12:32

      And other clowns are busy writing crab on the blog while other IDIOTS think singing liberation songs is a cause for extinction of white settlers. Just disappear, you sucker! Netherlands is waiting for - forgot your home??

      FRpower - 2011-04-19 15:57

      @ Phineas your one funny phucker,me dissapear im hear to piss you off everyday for the rest of your miserable life SUCKER! I take it your watching everything on the big screen just like your uneducated brotheres and sisters. Ive been to Netherlands but my roots never started there prick.

  • Zion - 2011-04-19 10:44

    Now that is nothing compared to the big screen we have - South Africa. The whole world is watching and commenting on the country that has passed Zimbabwe on corruption and all the other ills. Facebook also records a large percentage of comments made here on NEWS 24.

  • Farmer@Zulu - 2011-04-19 10:45

    The "shoot the Boer" song has got nothing to do with farm attach as some of Afrikaans speaking people may justify it. It has got nothing to do with the farm attach too. I work and stay on the farm, I have been victimised for several times. The problem with the song is for it to be sang either on public or any gathering. Just imagine someone waving an old SA flag..... are we gona ask him/her to stop it? All revolutional songs and those flags must be kept in a museum and be removed from public.

      The Observer - 2011-04-19 11:14

      Excellent comment and I fully agree. Remember the past but don't practice the past.

      Nexus6 - 2011-04-19 11:32

      Hear-Hear! Excellent!

      Nexus6 - 2011-04-19 11:36

      Where are all the people like Farmer@Zulu? C'mon people we need you.

      Stella - 2011-04-19 11:41

      Good for you farmer@zulu.

      Mswati - 2011-04-19 12:33

      Good point

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 10:49

    The Hate Speech Hearing is currently being aired on tv. ANC veteran Wally Serote being cross-examined by Adv. Pieterson. Serote is refusing to acknowledge that the struggle song is, in fact a PAC song. During further questioning Serote concedes that 'people' have taken these songs and changed the words to suit themselves. He acknowledge that the "zoo's" chant of umshini-wam (bring me my machine gun) is also a PAC struggle song dating back to the 1980s. Asked about land distribution it was pointed out to Serote that on the ANC website there is a document which has the words: "colonialism should not be resolved, it must be destroyed" and serote admitted that Colonials/Colonialism means "whites". Serote was adamant that there must be land redistribution because 87% of farms are owned by whites.

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 10:56

      The ANC has a longstanding tradition of co-opting symbols, songs, even heroes from other groupings when it suits them. They are even trying to do it with the legacy of Robert Sobukwe. The ANC claiming authorship or ownership of anything related to the struggle means absolutely nothing. Pure posturing to the ignorant.

      paulf - 2011-04-19 11:22

      Who really is attempting to rewrite history? Is the controversial song urging the killing of “Boers” truly part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage, or are such claims simply an ingenuous, or perhaps sinister, attempt by the ANC leadership to defend its Youth League leader Julius Malema by distorting the historical truth? Or is the ANC itself trying to rewrite history after it accused the courts of doing so when two successive court rulings found the song to incite racial hatred – findings in line with one already made by the Human Rights Commission (HRC) as long ago as 2003? These are questions that come to the fore from an investigation into the origins of the controversial song, "Dubula iBhunu". The truth seems to be that words to the same effect first were chanted in Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC) circles in the early 1990s along with their infamous slogan of “one settler, one bullet”. Shortly thereafter, the late ANC youth leader Peter Mokaba borrowed the slogan and began chanting his “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” version in 1993 after the murder of ANC and Communist Party leader, Chris Hani. In none of the sources on the origins of the song which could be identified, could any indication be found that the song has ever been part of the ANC repertoire of songs during the struggle days. Although the controversial song sung by Malema is claimed now to be a historical liberation struggle song, it was not included in a 2-CD history and recording of 25 freedom songs released in 2002. Senior ANC and former Umkhonto we Sizwe leaders, including Ronnie Kasrils, Baleka Mbete and Pallo Jordan among others, had collaborated in the production of the collection. At the time of its release, the CD set was described as a collection of field recordings of songs and chants used in the liberation struggle, complemented by a radio documentary providing an overview of the songs, their history and context in the struggle. These songs were sung in ANC camps, at meetings, mass rallies, demonstrations and other gatherings. The set, it was said, was designed as an archival and historical document. Nowhere did it mention “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” or “shoot the Boer”. All indications are that the slogan or chant and the song, or even songs that developed from it, originated with the Pan Africanist Congress (PAC). In August 1999, Thomas Ramaila told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that he had been a PAC operative and had been influenced by what he called a PAC slogan, namely “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” to kill a farmer, Neville Rudman. Most of Ramaila’s testimony and his amnesty application were rejected, but his reference to the slogan was not. The slogan/song in any version was used first in circles associated with the PAC in the early 1990s, although the PAC never officially took ownership of it and, after the first democratic elections of 1994, distanced itself from it. At almost the same time, the ANC’s Mokaba began using the slogan in 1993 when the armed struggle for all intents and purposes was a thing of the past. In that same year, a large crowd of PAC supporters marched through Cape Town’s Kenilworth and Claremont suburbs, demanding the release of PAC members who had been arrested in connection with the massacre of 11 churchgoers at the St. James Church and chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer”, “one settler, one bullet” and “one church, one bomb”. Also in 1993, at a rally in Tembisa near Johannesburg, both Mokaba and a PAC representative used these or similar words in speeches to the large crowd. Mokaba reportedly also urged the crowd to direct their “bullets” at then president FW de Klerk, declaring that he hated De Klerk. To which the PAC representative added, “war against the enemy... kill them”. In March this year, a former participant in an August 1993 march (called “Operation Barcelona”) against increased exam fees in Cape Town, wrote in a comment to an article on the Internet, that he was among PASO (PAC student wing) students in the march who chanted “kill the Boer, kill the farmer” immediately before American student Amy Biehl was killed by members of that mob. In 2002, then president Thabo Mbeki, as president of the ANC, and in 2003 then ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe - who is now ANC deputy president - firmly and unambiguously distanced the ANC from any such song or slogan, saying it had never been, and would never be, a part of the ANC. No claim was made then that it – in any form - ever had been an ANC liberation struggle song. That is until now, when, in March this year, Malema began singing a generic version of Mokaba’s chant. Suddenly senior ANC leaders, among them secretary-general Gwede Mantashe, are claiming this to be an old ANC liberation struggle song that apparently never was sung to incite violence against white farmers or whites in general, but was aimed against the apartheid regime. Mcebisi Ndletyana, senior researcher at the Human Science Research Council - in another defence of the song and attack on the judges who ruled against its use in an article in "The Sunday Independent" - claims the song embodies black hatred of “whiteness”, but not of people of European descent... with a very wooly explaination of what the difference is intended to be. No documentary or other evidence could be found that the chant or related songs were indeed ANC liberation songs before 1993, when the liberation struggle was practically over and constitutional negotiations in full swing. The Mokaba chant of “kill the farmer, kill the Boer” was next heard in June 2002 at an ANC Youth League meeting in Kimberley, and at Mokaba’s funeral in Limpopo. The funeral was attended by prominent ANC leaders, including Nelson Mandela and Mbeki, and the chanting was stopped immediately. The Freedom Front lodged a complaint of hate speech with the HRC, which subsequently rejected it. However Mbeki, as president of the ANC and the country at the time, on 19 June of that year told Parliament: “Nobody in our country has a right to call for the killing of any South African, whatever the colour, race, ethnic origin, gender or health condition of the intended victim. Those farmers and boers are as much South African and African as I am...” In June 2003, the HRC, chaired by Professor Karthy Govender, assisted by Professor Henk Botha and Mr Khashane Manamela, heard an appeal by the Freedom Front against the earlier HRC ruling. In their decision, delivered on 15 July, they overturned the earlier HRC ruling and found that the slogan "Kill the farmer, kill the boer" as chanted at the ANC youth rally in Kimberley and at the funeral of Mokaba constituted hate speech as defined in section 16(2)(c) of the Constitution. What is even more interesting is that part of the record of submissions made to the HRC at the time contains a letter from Motlanthe, then ANC secretary-general, stating that the ‘’utterance has never been, cannot and will never be a slogan of the ANC, not used by the ANC at all.’’ The logical assumption then is that, according to Motlanthe, it was not part of the ANC’s liberation struggle heritage.

      derkus - 2011-04-19 12:40

      i'd rather watch KTV it's a lot better

      Jacques Claasens - 2011-04-19 15:37

      @paulf Brilliantly presented and my I say I never want to get into an argument with you regarding the apartheids days because it seems to me like you have it all under the belt ;-)

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 10:51

    Dr. Wally Serote is an ANC veteran.

      daaivark - 2011-04-19 10:57

      No-one disputes that. However, he was outside the country for most of the struggle years - very comfortably, one might add - but that is actually irrelevant. The point is not his affiliation, but that the song originated in the PAC.

      BurnInEffigy - 2011-04-19 11:18

      Only the version in question as far as i know...

  • Bosduif - 2011-04-19 10:51

    These people don't work to do? Oh yeah ANC is failing in job creation, they just don't see the bigger picture.

      Victor Paul - 2011-04-19 11:24

      The biggest picture for them is Big screen outside the court.....

      Bacon - 2011-04-19 11:41

      Just playing devil's advocate here, but doesn't everyone on this forum have work to do?

      DeonL - 2011-04-19 12:07

      Bacon, some of us can do our work and be on the internet, adsl helps. At least we are at work, should Winnie not be helping her people?

  • Henk van Tonder - 2011-04-19 10:51

    It's all a publicity stunt on his behalf. And you fools are his fodder. Your reactionary comments cocretize his support base.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 10:53

    Serote says that after this Hate Hearing “if we think it meant that they were going to kill farmers is wrong!” and they will have to address this.

  • Fred Basset - 2011-04-19 10:57

    Has anybody checked the local police stations for reports of one stolen big screen TV in the neighborhood?

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 10:57

    Serote was asked to refer to a document where the word Bhulala (sp?) means KILL, MURDER DESTROY, HURT, INJURE. There were more listings of the meaning which I didn't manage to write down.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 11:04

    Its very apparent from what is coming out in this Hearing that the ANC is determined NOT TO MOVE FORWARD BUT TO LIVE PERMANENTLY IN THE PAST. Therefore there is no future for any colour/culture in SA under ANC rule. Its only the past that matters - hence lack of service delivery, mal-administration, corruption, nepotism they reigns openly in South Africa.

  • Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-19 11:06

    weird thing... all the anc supporters cant spell + bad grammer, and after u get past that, what lies ahead is a brainless uneducated comment!!! Not all the ppl in the anc r totally retarded, some of them know that there supporters r mostly under educated... and the funny part is that u idiots still believe the crap that they tell u. The DA will do much more for black ppl than the anc could ever think of, but as long as u fools stay narrow minded u will suffer under ur own clown party!!!

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 11:11

      @Kpt - until you learn to give advice without it just being an insult, you will drive away the very people you need to make SA a better place. "*Come on, lets work together, you stupid moron, listen to only me,. ps: lets be friends*"

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-19 11:35

      well thats the advice, ulike malema the rest arent total idiots, the know if the go into the location and tell the ppl there that is the DA was to rule over SA, apartheid will come back, and they believe them!!! THE DONT UNDERSTAND THAT THE DA WILL DO MUCH MORE FOR THE BLACK PPL THAN THE WHITE PPL!!! lost of black ppl r struggeling in sa cause some fool said "make more babies" and they beieved him.(if they were schooled by an able person, this would not hav happened) go ask sum1 with brains thats married why they dont hav children yet, most of them would say we cant support a child finacially at the moment, while dumb ppl just make more and more babies!!! a unschooled person is like a child, they believe what u tell them, and unfortunatly in this case the anc supporters are like children(most of them). u can tell me whatever u want, but this is true.

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-19 11:39

      bad keyboard, sorry for the left out letters

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-19 11:47

      and cerveza u idiot, u think by making nice comments the ppl will like u and u will solve the problem, pffffff

      Jo - 2011-04-19 12:04

      I'm not sure how you convince anyone by calling them fools.. it really just hardens peoples' hearts.

      GATVOL - 2011-04-19 18:13

      True the DA is a black peoples party hence their attempt to win Soweto-vote FF+ FOR YOUR RIGHTS TO BE PRESERVED

  • Born To Fish - 2011-04-19 11:06

    Uhm, so clearly they do not have their hands in the cookie jar. They have the whole tax jar to pay for all this shit!

  • sean.redmond3 - 2011-04-19 11:06

    What an absolute waste of money,the ANC know how to that.

  • Evan - 2011-04-19 11:06

    Bwahahaha... All the supporters outside the court have all probably been promised a big screen just like the one they watching on now. Gimmy a I, gimmy a D, gimmy a I, gimmy a O, gimmy a T, gimmy S... What dows that spell?? ..IDIOTS..

  • Lulama Ndukwana - 2011-04-19 11:07

    All this for a song? We sure love our music.

      LOLWUT - 2011-04-19 12:15

      Would love to see what the public's reaction is when I start singing the songs that the people that fought in Bloedrivier. Pretty idiotic of a man that is supposedly a leader to show such lack of judgment and common sense.

      Salfred - 2011-04-19 12:33

      Lulama clearly you don't see the seriousness of the situation.....

  • LOLWUT - 2011-04-19 11:10

    Why don't these damn "supporters" go do some work for a change.

  • tut - 2011-04-19 11:12

    And now and in colour and always better on the big screen you get to see a closer wide angle view of South Africa's largest rectum imitation.

      Evan - 2011-04-19 11:21

      hahaha..! love it!

      GATVOL - 2011-04-19 18:20

      True!!!

  • Cuba12 - 2011-04-19 11:13

    Wonder if they are going to show Takalami Seseme...

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-04-19 11:21

      Thats a bit too higher grade for Malema supporters.

      FRpower - 2011-04-19 11:28

      Hopefully they might show some educational video's,but i fear this will go through one ear and out the other as usual. The lights on but nobody's home,hahahaha

      DerpyHooves - 2011-04-19 11:31

      pedobear spotted, captain!

  • Vhangani - 2011-04-19 11:13

    Hamba juju, ndi khodala.

      santoro29 - 2011-04-19 13:20

      VOETSEK JUJU !!!

      Barry - 2011-04-19 16:52

      Vhangani This is an international English site. Idiot

  • frangelico - 2011-04-19 11:16

    @spiral you're so right,but maybe just maybe they may blow up this BABOON & WINNIE & etc.you catch the pun?

      onetickie - 2011-04-19 13:07

      Why do people insist on comparing these human thugs with innocent animals?

  • derrick.kruger - 2011-04-19 11:16

    Ja And who is paying for the damn screen

      Perfume - 2011-04-19 11:37

      Us that are working and paying tax :-)

  • ZACKIE - 2011-04-19 11:18

    The Anc circus is in town and the show is free

  • Johann - 2011-04-19 11:19

    IT'S Called the circus!!

  • Luyanda - 2011-04-19 11:20

    Who said boere is a reference to white farmers only. Is farming exclusively for whites in South Africa? Dont we have black, coloured and indian boere? If someone sings "kill the farmer" does it mean one must kill a white farmer? Why do whites think that this is specifically directed to them only. Has any been killed after singing the song? Was the farmer who killed his whole family and comitted suicide thereafter yesterday influenced by the song?

      Fred Basset - 2011-04-19 11:28

      So let us then surmise that the song refers to ALL farmers. Does that make it any less hateful? The case is about hate speech. If somebody sang "Stab the gays", it would be hate speech without identifying the colour of the gays in question. And, Luyanda, YES, several farmers have been killed since the song was sung. Any other questions?

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 11:29

      @Luyanda - Boere and Boers are terms that have been used to refer to the Afrikaner nation since before the Anglo-Boer War, hence the word boer in the name of the war. Yes the word has more than one meaning, and different people can interpret it differently, and that is why the song is insensitive, offensive and unconstitutional

      onetickie - 2011-04-19 11:30

      they have already admitted in court that "Boer" stands for whites & colonial people!

      Kpt_Keyboard - 2011-04-19 11:51

      luyanda, did u actually made this comment, or am i dreaming?

      The All Seeing Eye - 2011-04-19 12:07

      If I get this right Malema refers boer as oppressor of aparthied now if I we were to combine your logic with malema, which is boer = farmer black/white/indian and the oppressor . It means that aparthied was implemented by farmers. Not whites meaning that I was oppressed under aparthied. ????? OH YEAH THIS GETTING FUN!!!!!

      Christel Olivier - 2011-04-19 12:14

      Wake up and smell the s..t Luyanda! We want peace in this country. We want to be able to provide for our kids, provide a good upbringing and to teach them to care for their fellow South African. They must have the opportunity to receive a good education and everything else they deserve. In other words, we want the best we can possibly provide to our children, and that includes your children and every other citizen of South Africa and their children. At this rate, none of that is possible. Education? Shocking state. South African citizens are being choked for the last penny they own in ways of taxes upon taxes upon taxes. That money has and is not used appropriately. It is being abused and used to pay for personal interests, cars, luxury homes, and even on world cup tickets. Now our money is being used to fund a court case which should not have happened in the first place. Everyone knows that song does not form part of the ANC struggle/heritage. The only thought that comes to mind is that it is for a current/new struggle about to be launched on those that are not ANC? Another thought. According to the media, bus loads of people were arranged yesterday to be brought to court today for support to Malema. If they are currently employed, do their employers have to pay for them not being at work today? Just my penny's worth.

      LOLWUT - 2011-04-19 12:19

      "Boere" has been the namesake referring to white Afrikaans people for a long time. The Literal meaning directly translated means "Farmers" But tell me little sheep- you think that Malema is not referring to white people when he sings the song? And if not what is he referring to? Would love to see your answer

      Salfred - 2011-04-19 12:29

      Luyanda I think you're missing the point "kill the boer" in my opinion doesn't only refer to farmers it refers to white people in general. The songs was sung in the past and should be left there. With the supposed freedom of our country do we really need people like Malema whose leading the youth to be making statements in public. He is the next Bob and if we as south africans don't do anything about it now this is very much the next ZIM.....

  • Colin - 2011-04-19 11:22

    And the circus continues...

  • Ghost - 2011-04-19 11:23

    WTF!! Do these thugs feel like movie stars now????

      Perfume - 2011-04-19 11:36

      Looks like it, he must look like a demi-god to them, they cling to every deceptive word he spews!!!!! This is costing money, what are they dragging this case on and on for!!!!

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 11:26

    Serote commented that the struggle is still continuing. In a document presented to him by jARSE’s legal rep. it was pointed out that the song “is not hate speech” according to the document. He admitted also that he has sung “debule ibuke (?) to illustrate it was an old PAC song and nobody complained about his singing it. Serote was asked who the PAC are Serote replied it was a ‘breakaway congress’ from the ANC. He also said liberation songs had no copyrights so people changed the words when singing. When asked why the people who chant/sing this song point their finger he said it was to “inspire and mobilize”.

  • Perfume - 2011-04-19 11:27

    For what may I ask, are these people workers!!!!!!!!!

  • onetickie - 2011-04-19 11:27

    Serote commented that the struggle is still continuing. In a document presented to him by jARSE’s legal rep. it was pointed out that the song “is not hate speech” according to the document. He admitted also that he has sung “debule ibuke (?) to illustrate it was an old PAC song and nobody complained about his singing it. Serote was asked who the PAC are Serote replied it was a ‘breakaway congress’ from the ANC. He also said liberation songs had no copyrights so people changed the words when singing. When asked why the people who chant/sing this song point their finger he said it was to “inspire and mobilize”.

  • Deric Slabberts - 2011-04-19 11:30

    Why am I not suprised that ANC fans are sitting on their asses watching TV as usual! Go and work you useless bastards!

      onetickie - 2011-04-19 11:38

      I am watching the proceedings and I AM NOT AN ANC FAN. People who have a concern for farmers/people being killed in SA should be following the political situation. Get a life before yours is taken by one of the singers! Then a different tune would be heard by your family.

  • Erica - 2011-04-19 11:32

    so is the tax payer for this?

  • Jakob - 2011-04-19 11:33

    shoot the malema

  • Perfume - 2011-04-19 11:36

    Is the World Cup back in South Africa??????

      Lost 4 Words - 2011-04-19 12:33

      NO!!! This is bigger and better. And what is more, you get paid to attend. The international fan base is not too shabby either ;)

      Perfume - 2011-04-19 12:54

      @Lost4......roflmao!!!!! just making sure, I thought Shatter brought it back to SA

  • bill - 2011-04-19 11:38

    You can see potato- head in black and white grunting and picking his nose.

  • Iggy - 2011-04-19 11:39

    This article shows poor journalism. Who cares about a big screen? This is completely irrelevant to a very important case before the court! As far as the rest of the article goes, thanks for stating the obvious....

  • Virginia - 2011-04-19 11:42

    These proceeding should be thrown out of court, Malema and the ANC are using it as a Election ploy. Let them have their song to sing, then racial acts are free and fair in this country. Give me back the old South Africa without apartheid when everyone still had respect for each other and there was not Zumas and Malemas disgracing our majority nations.

  • Vitruvian Man - 2011-04-19 11:45

    Chapter 1: Founding provisions, Section 5 of The South African Constitution and Bill of Rights reads: The national anthem will be decided by the President. Does this mean Pres Zuma may declare 'kill the boer' our national anthem if he so wishes?

      Jo - 2011-04-19 12:06

      great - then we'd have proof of our devolution: from God save Africa to Kill the Boer...

  • Slapper - 2011-04-19 11:45

    It is disgraceful that a court case can not be carried out without this kind of political influence. It is as if we are watching the Zuma matter all over again, with the bussed in mob and the intimidation.

  • Nexus6 - 2011-04-19 11:45

    ANC & ANCYL = Epic Fail (Fail in Job creation, Fail in Service Delivery, Fail in Stamping out Corruption, Fail in Providing for others but Succeed in Providing only for themselves, Fail in Upholding the Law, Fail in Human Rights, Fail in Running a Country.)

  • Paul - 2011-04-19 11:47

    And they wonder why we call them a circus.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 12:59

      And you wonder why we vote the ANC?

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-19 11:49

    Where there is a RAT there must be a Sicelo Shiceka and many unqualified traditional wannabe kings to infest all municpalities.

      Rustman - 2011-04-19 12:57

      And where there is a rat there are people from Pikitup striking.