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Bogus census workers rob 2 men

2011-10-11 08:30

Johannesburg - Two robbers posing as census workers held up two men in Kensington, Johannesburg on the first day of the national census, according to a report on Tuesday.

The incident happened on Monday, when Godwin Symons and a friend, Raymond Sassu, were busy having lunch at a house in Kitchener Avenue.

Symons said the doorbell rang and two men in green jackets told him over the intercom they were census workers, according to Beeld newspaper.

He opened the gate.

"One of the men pointed a pistol at me. Raymond came out of the kitchen where we were eating and they ordered him to... his knees and tied him up."

The men stole a firearm, four Kruger Rands, about R5 000 in cash and a laptop. One of the men kicked Sassu and pointed a firearm at him, but Symons said he shouted in isiZulu, "Don't shoot! Don't shoot!"

The men ran away after firing a shot at Symons. He was unhurt.

Census workers wear yellow jackets and ID tags. Members of the public can call 0800 110248 to verify the enumerators' identities.

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  • Matt :-) - 2011-10-11 08:41

    Kensington is only a couple of KMs up the road from me... And they expect us to do the census... NO!

      Flee - 2011-10-11 09:42

      i live in Kensington Matt... And Hub and I were actually discussing last night... there is no bloody way they are getting in... Ill tell them how many people live on the premises... Thats it... Why you need to know how much we earn?? Surely SARS has that info, go ask them?? And if you dont like it well toffies to you...

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-11 09:52

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! This is only THE START.... in the next few days there WILL BE MORE CASES REPORTED... If I was back in SA, I will NOT LET THEM ONTO MY PROPERTY... As I always say to the people that work for me.... "Between the Four Corners of my yard.... I am the Minister of Finance, Security, Planning, Water, Taxes, and Health... that is MY LITTLE PRINCIPALITY, WHERE I REIGN as PRESIDENT AND PRIME MINISTER... IN FACT, I AM KING!!! Outside my property... I could not give a TOSS what goes down there... as it is a "NEIGBOURING COUNTRY"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As long as I pay my taxes and pay to use their Electricity, roads and their Sewrage System.... I am INDEPENDANT of them!

  • Matt :-) - 2011-10-11 08:43

    What did they say to us? "they're all well trained, not one has a criminal record" ... Day ONE of the census and this happens...

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-10-11 09:17

      They were not census workers, just common criminals. Vigilance is required by people at all times, wherever you are, and a bit of common sense helps.

      Matt :-) - 2011-10-11 09:30

      They are putting up posters to say who is doing your street. All it takes is: 1) a guy to wear a yellow shirt and show "some" form of ID to get into your house 2) a guy to mug the census worker while on his rounds and take his yellow shirt, ID etc - read the billboard next to him and assume his name

      Kathleen - 2011-10-11 09:30

      no one has a criminal record YET!! the have not yet been caught and found guilty in a court of law. Does not mean that you can safely let rhem in your home. My brother was murdered 3 years ago, still not found who did it- they are still out there, maybe knocking on your door now to count you!!!

  • BRAD24 - 2011-10-11 08:44

    Tip of the ice-berg.

  • gj123 - 2011-10-11 08:48

    First get through my 3 rottweilers. No way I am locking them up, when they arrive. Enter at own risk. Oh by the way I am not at home.

      Flee - 2011-10-11 09:47

      Soo true, My two are hungry for a little worker meat, its been a while since they last had a good chomp... LOL.. Try get in my property even when I am there Hahaha, This I gotta see...

  • Set - 2011-10-11 08:49

    Am not going to open my door , they will have to conduct the census through an intercom!!

  • AntiThesis - 2011-10-11 08:51

    And so the show has started......

  • Ingie - 2011-10-11 08:51

    Well this is what I said from day one would happen. There is no one in the govt that you can trust and should one of these officials be robbed of their clothes, paperwork, badges etc how do we know if they are the "real" ones. They say all the toll free line - hold on forever and still get no answers. Also think its an infringement on our privacy that we have to answer what we earn. This is for the govt to see and then we will have to pay extra for other races, lights, waters, schooling etc etc. This is what this census is about and not what they are saying what its for.

  • nicn44 - 2011-10-11 08:52

    In Port Elizabeth court, an armed robber did not appear as he was on a 'census training course" learning to become an enumerator!

      HiJack - 2011-10-11 09:44

      Yep, saw that. I won't allow anyone into my house. I'll go out and speak to them in the front yard with pepper spray in my hand.

  • Derek - 2011-10-11 08:52

    And did we expect anything other than this to happen in our crime ridden country! The next is census takers will be mugged and their jackets and tags stolen.

  • The Devil - 2011-10-11 08:54

    OH but the Government said "it's illegal to decline access"... SCREW YOU!!! now they'll stand outside the gate with guns pointed at them while anything needs be done.

  • Haydn Gawrosnky - 2011-10-11 08:56

    This is EXACTLY why I will not speak to or allow any of these Census people near my house, until the government can realistically ensure safety in this country they can stuff their Census.

  • Christo - 2011-10-11 08:56

    Inevitable !!!

  • Ingie - 2011-10-11 08:57

    unfortunately because of all the crooks in the govt and namely the ANC, Malema, Zuma and all the high brass knobs - they have made us not being able to trust any of them...they wont come into my home to see what I have...next day you will be robbed. Its so sad that we are thinking like this but Mr Zuma and Mr Malema who have done this to us. In our complex Fri night an elderely man was attacked and all because he fired a maid from his shop a couple of months ago. The chairperson and I went and cleaned the mess up on Sat. morning and to see what they hit this old man with was so sad. A solid bar from the Trellidor B.Bars...luckily he did survive. Sorrrrrryyyy mr President you can catch a kite a hopefully it never comes down. You are all so ruthless and attack victims that cannot defend himself though must say he did put up a fight.

  • TheBestMan - 2011-10-11 08:58

    So this confirms it then...: No one is counting me!

  • Cheq - 2011-10-11 09:01

    And I bet the ANC/government didn't see this coming...The way I see it, by the end of this so called census exercise we should have a lower population count and a higher criminal count...eyedtenteez!!!!

  • Ingie - 2011-10-11 09:02

    Hope when they do the counting they do get a computer virus and then Eish sorrrry have to start all over

      Ingie - 2011-10-11 09:03

      sorry should be hope they dont get......

  • PAnzi_ne_ANC - 2011-10-11 09:04

    whaaaaa ha and how it comes to pass.. the cANCer can send their scum workers to my house to fce the music, best the send some cops with them.. its going to a bloodbath, with my dogs bing the winners,,

  • Jods - 2011-10-11 09:04

    Our company sent out a communication to all employees last week saying that you don't have to let any census workers into your house. They can get their information through the front gate. The only information they need is the amount of people living on the premises. Nothing more.

      bytjies - 2011-10-11 09:19

      Yes, i'd like to know why they need to know how many computers there are in my house, how many tv's how many cellphones, how many cars etc...............

      Rellebel - 2011-10-11 10:19

      not entirely true, they require some more info than that... You don't have to let them in though. And the information gathered is very very valuable for planning and research. the fewer people participate, the less reliable the information is. Info about hot water, TV, radio, computer is used to calculate living standards measures, again, very important for research and planning purposes. I work with Census data on an ongoing basis, please use this opportunity to provide government and researchers to get realiable information, so we don't have to do a thumbsuck to estimate population figures....

  • oosie.eksteen - 2011-10-11 09:05

    will they ban anyone from buying a yellow jacket now?

      Ingie - 2011-10-11 09:06

      Maybe if it comes from China

  • Agent Bastad - 2011-10-11 09:06

    I thought the census workers were picked from within the community they were supposed to count so that they would be recognised and also speak the predominant language...

  • fussed - 2011-10-11 09:07

    What you so worried about The next census will be done by the Chinese pricks knocking on your door

  • mac-sdi - 2011-10-11 09:09

    I'll be glad to answer all questions through my intercom

  • Cynic - 2011-10-11 09:12

    Here we go again the government has once again created a monster it cyour fault.annot control and is being lapped up by the thugs and hooligans of this country. For goodness sake post out the effing questionaires and live with the results - All you are trying to show anyway is how poorer the africans have become since apartheid but it is not

  • zibbalans - 2011-10-11 09:12

    If they want to count me, they must meet me at Dros North Riding thank you very much.... There's not way in hell anyone is coming to my house!

  • Dragons berg - 2011-10-11 09:16

    census workers will stand outside my electrified gate doing their business from now on. Cant trust anybody in this danm country

  • Gary - 2011-10-11 09:16

    So let me get this right? You have to invite them in your home? I'm going to answer their questions, right by my gate.

  • Çaponeil - 2011-10-11 09:16

    just do the world a favor, retweet and place it on Facebook! this could save someone's life! I was robbed a while back! I WILL NOT LET ANYONE in my house!!

  • Ticha - 2011-10-11 09:17

    nobidy seems to be saying anything about the fact that these 'victims' of crime allowed men wearing GREEN jackets into their home! i thought we all know that official enumerators wear yellow ones? if you gonna be that dumb, then u deserve to get jacked!! everybody just jumping on govt and the ANC - then again what more can u expect from news24.com

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-10-11 09:19

      Yep, the lack of common sense is dangerous.

      L-H - 2011-10-11 09:25

      Well, I am still waiting for this poster showing who is working our area ... As is my mother and grandmother.

      Viper - 2011-10-11 09:58

      Well Ticha, you and your buddies can kiss my a$$, no senses bloody agent is welcome in my property, the only reason for this is to make a list of things they want to steal anyway, even see the best route of entrance to kill me, f$;(@k you and the ANC.

      Lovenergy - 2011-10-11 10:21

      If the officials are criminals already then it wouldn't really matter what colour jackets they wear. No one deserves to be jacked, shame on you.

  • Realistiqly - 2011-10-11 09:18

    That is exactly why I do not trust the process and will not let anyone into my house. They can ask their questions at the gate with my Bull Terriers supervising the process.

  • Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-10-11 09:18

    These Census workers are not welcome on my property! C'est la Vie

  • Danie - 2011-10-11 09:20

    They will have difficulty entering my premises in any case. Lots of dogs will have luncheon

  • Gibbonater - 2011-10-11 09:22

    Here in the Eastern Cape they have employed people that are out on bail for various offences including violent crime as census workers. Do these things really think I will allow any stranger onto my property.

      zibbalans - 2011-10-11 09:24

      Hayi man Gibbonater, are you SERIOUS????

  • Antwahn - 2011-10-11 09:23

    Thanks for the warning. I'll have a little camping table ready in the front and show them a print-out of this as explanation. I'll have my 9mm off safety and ready. I also think about getting waiting for ADT to come and check them out -make them do something useful for the monthly fees. Then I'll make sure that the info I specifically do not want to divulge has eraser marks. On the 0.0001% chance they want to prosecute for lying, the court has to grant me reasonable doubt when I say that it was altered after I completed it. (Easer marks are my witness.) Dealt with.

  • Jax - 2011-10-11 09:24

    I was worried before, now I'm sure not to open the gate at all. They can leave the form, when they come I'll call my security company and only go to the gate when they are there. Can't take the risk.

  • katman - 2011-10-11 09:27

    So what happens when a common thief wearing a yellow jacket wants to come in? How on earth are they supposed to guarantee that you won't be in danger from impostors? They can't, so they can't expect you to let anyone in. We spend thousands on gates, bars, alarms, electric fences, ADT etc so that we can be safe, but then we're just supposed to trust that the guy at the gate is who he says he is. And don't give me the ID rubbish. If people can clone bank cards and make fake barcoded ID's, then copying a Census Id is a walk in the park. As someone said earlier, they can stand at my gate, and I'll tell them how many adults and how many children live on the property. I'll even tell them about my cats and dogs. But that's it. No banter. No cup of tea. And no access.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-10-11 09:28

    Most of the white population is already on SARS's database so F-Off!

  • WiseOwl2 - 2011-10-11 09:30

    Keep your census - your Government has failed dismally - how will this useless census help ????

      Miss Annie - 2011-10-11 10:17

      So if we don't answer the querstions, we shouln't complain about the services says "Prof"! HaHaHa, you can complain all you want Census or no Census - nothing gets attended to anyway. Zuma promised thousands of jobs and he's met his promise alright, taking unemployed inefficient individuals and turning them into "Census Enumeraters". Govt is pushing the Protection of Information Bill through to keep information from the citizens of the country - well I've instituted MY OWN PIB - all they need to know is how many people were in my home on October 9th. The rest is irrelevant. What has how many TV's I have or what I earn have anything to do with supplying the services which I already pay for? I've read that certain information will be available November 2012 and the balance in March 2013. What use is that because by that time thousands will have died and tens of thousands more will have infiltrated our country illegally. This whole exercise is a waste of our time and taxpayers money. I am not obliged to allow strangers into my premises and similarly also I need not talk to anyone on the other side of my gate. Legal action ?? - go ahead! The Courts are so bogged down and inefficient, it will take years to summons everyone on this count! I have not taken any oath to provide this corrupt Government or anyone else with my personal and private information. Even my Domestic worker is scared of letting "these people" into her home !!!

  • Shaz - 2011-10-11 09:34

    Why is this not surprising news at all..... *sigh*

  • Anton - 2011-10-11 09:37

    LOL! And so it starts... Typically something that the pieces of crap anc try to organise, turns to crap.

  • Paris - 2011-10-11 09:37

    As always, a bs plan. I have not seen 1 of these chops in the eastern cape and i would LOVE to see these census workers go to mdantsane and do there count.... they will kill that person, take that machine and go and do his own census, not count census, how to rob a mother fker census in your home. No one is allowed near my house, in a crime ridden aids infested country like this, my dog is my friend

  • Boerseun - 2011-10-11 09:38

    It was not like it could not have been expected to happen. Criminal will atke every opportunity they get and this one sound to good to be true.

  • Suspook - 2011-10-11 09:39

    You people do realise that you can get THROWN IN JAIL for refusing to let legitimate census workers do their jobs, right? Just verify them and keep you firearm around your hip the whole time. Unless you want to be fined R10 000 or thrown in jail for a few months.

      Born To Fish - 2011-10-11 09:43

      Uhm since when do goverment have the right to invade my privacy? Are we now officialy a communist country?

      DeonL - 2011-10-11 09:46

      I agree, don't make it easy for them to lock you up. They know already were you stay.

      Suspook - 2011-10-11 09:59

      Born, since the day the ANC came into power, that's when. We are indeed a communist country wearing a cloak of democracy to fool the world. I am just being realistic here. That's the way the law has been set up whether we like it or not. You refuse a census worker and the police will be knocking on your door two hours later. I understand the situation we are in but we really have little choice in the matter. You don't have to let them into your house. We have an elctric gate so I will let them in and close the gate behind them and speak to them through my security gate with my pistol on my hip. If they are legitimate census workers I will give them the info they need and fill out the form. If they are indded criminals I will be in a position where I am safe and can simply move in behind a wall if they pull a firearm on me. Then they are effectively sitting ducks trapped in my yard by elctric fencing and pilisades. Armed tresspassers, in other words free game for the security company and the neighbourhood watch. Just use your heads and you will be safe people. The choice is on you. Stay vigelant and complete the census with no issues. Or act like a moron and get thrown into jail for about 6 months or pay anything upward of a R10 000 fine/bail. You choose.

      Lovenergy - 2011-10-11 10:27

      uhhh, I will take my chances, plus I don't have an extra R10 000, good luck for them trying to get that off me

      Miss Annie - 2011-10-11 11:11

      Ok Suspook, will you please explain to me which army will throw me into jail? If they don't have my name and Id number how do they issue a summons. Most roads in the suburbs all over the country don't have stree names (another lack of service) so all the so "officials" have only a house number to go by! According the Statistics Act of 1999, which is the act under which a census is conducted it clearly states under section 16.2(a) that all citizens are legally bound to answer any question put to them by a statistic official S U B J E C T TO THE RIGHT OF DIGNITY AND PRIVACY. Therefore WE, the citizens, decide what information of ours is private, not you Mr Zuma & Associates! I doubt any court in the land can successfully prosecute any citizen for exercising the right to privacy specified in your own act, as well as under section 14 of the Constitution of South Afica. Oh Boy, are the courts in for a field day -more jobs being created for the jobless, to get us all into jail. And pray do tell, where will the money come from to build more jails to house the multitudes who have so called "disobeyed the law"! Your solution please Suspook. By the way, I suspect it's you who's disagreeing with many of the comments - how much are you being paid per "hit" - since you're so law-abiding, be honest and tell the truth!

      Suspook - 2011-10-11 12:03

      Miss Anne, I don't take part in petty text debates so I will make this quick. 1. The ANC bends the law of this country to their will and no ammount of crying and clutching at 11 year old paperwork will save you when push comes to shove. 2. You seem to think that they would need to go through courts to arrest you. No. According to the government denying a census worker is a criminal offence. You can thereby be arrested on the mere principle of your offence. Are you telling me that you can shoplift and just because they don't know your name, ID and so forth they will not arrest you even though they know exactly where you live and how you look? Get real. You commit a criminal offence, you get arrested. Period. The courts come AFTER arrest, not before. 3. You live in South Africa. Even in our legal system it is lawless. If you think you can take on government instated laws and win, by all means go ahead. I will be watching closely for the bodying that will ensue both in the courts and in your every day life. The law is not your friend in this country. Deal with it. 4. I have not given a thumbs up or down to any comment on this page except a thumbs up for Deon because he has enough logic to understand what might happen. Obviously you won't believe my statement and you will most likely continue you pathetic attempt at undermining me with fallacies. Whether you do believe me or not, I could't care less. In closing, you are naive. I'm done here. Have a nice monolouge.

      bublebee4506 - 2011-10-11 12:06

      And just what will we be charged with"not allowing a tresspasser to tresspass"well in that case then I think the police should then employ another 300,000 policeman, to come an arrest a million people for not wanting to co-operate with the field workers, Then they will have to build another thousand courts for all these people to appear, before,they get thrown in jail... and so the dominoes will fall...don't spread crap.

  • Daemos1 - 2011-10-11 09:43

    Ja ne..I'll wait until the census is online, thanks

  • Charmaine - 2011-10-11 09:51

    Typical! Just another day in Africa .... I will not be letting anyone into MY house!

  • FRpower - 2011-10-11 09:52

    I disconected my intercom,so they can push the button as much as they like.

      Miss Annie - 2011-10-11 10:20

      Likewise, my intercom has "given up the ghost" and will not be repaired for this precise reason. I can see on my monitor who is at the gate will not open if it's anyone I don't know!

  • JCWR56 - 2011-10-11 09:55

    2 scenarios: 1) Mug and rob a real census counter, take his ID, yellow jacket etc. Pose as a census official and rob the public blind 2) A real census official will get a R10k fine according to media i have seen / heard. So make it worthwhile, make sure you rob the public of R20k, sell it pay the fine. 100% profit. you want to count me? let me think... ermmmmmmmmm, no.

      Neles - 2011-10-11 12:47

      you forgot a 3rd scenario 3) Sell or stash my belongings and then make it look like a census scam robbery for insurance purposes - it might seem far fetched but it fits in nicely with your illustrations above.

  • akba19763 - 2011-10-11 10:01

    have you ever seen anybody set themselves up for failure like the anc does. its realy becoming a talent for them.

  • Truth@ - 2011-10-11 10:05

    Would LOVE to know who all those are who dislike the comments posted on this article hey?? Mmmmm bet they're all ANC & ANCYL supporters or should I rather say they're definately not anyone of conscience or morality. Oh! Well that is the ANC & ANCYL then hey?!?

  • 50something - 2011-10-11 10:08

    Predicatble

  • Skietlood - 2011-10-11 10:18

    I don't open the gate to any one I do not know. Especially the cops and/or census 'workers". heard this morning over the radio one of them is out on bail for assault with the intention to cause serious bodily harm! Shows you what they employ to do their work. Be warned people, black and white!