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Brandon Huntley to appeal asylum ruling

2010-12-27 22:25

Johannesburg - The Canadian legal team of the white South African who was granted and then lost asylum status in Canada, is preparing to appeal the withdrawal of his right to remain in that country.

Brandon Huntley, 32, caused a stir in Canada and South Africa in 2009 when he claimed his fear of crime against whites made him a candidate for asylum, and a government board agreed.

Huntley, who grew up in Cape Town, claimed he had been attacked seven times by black robbers and called a “white dog” and a “settler”.

A panel of the Canadian immigration board found that his fear was justified and granted him asylum in August 2009.

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney appealed to the country’s federal court for a review of the decision by William Davis of the immigration and refugee board.

Pressure

Advocate Russell Kaplan, one of Huntley’s lawyers, alleged that Kenney would never have appealed the decision if not for “pressure, driven by allegations of racism” by the South African government.

On November 24 2010, Judge James Russell ruled in the federal court that granting Huntley refugee status had been a mistake, adding it was clear Huntley came to Canada to look for work, not because he was fleeing persecution.

Kaplan said the ruling was a turning point for white South Africans who feel they are being targeted because of their skin colour.

“In his judgment, Russell said that just because Huntley’s circumstances could not be regarded under law as persecution, this didn’t mean other white South Africans could not qualify.”

He said an application for appeal was made to the federal court of appeal on December 22, to be heard by three judges.

Kaplan said the appeal turns on three questions, of which he was only prepared to discuss one.

Canadian government painted 'racist'

The appeal goes to the question of whether the federal court had the jurisdiction to hear the government’s appeal.

He said the main argument is that the South African government painted the Canadian government as racist when Huntley was granted asylum.

“The question is whether a new judge would be afraid to be called a racist if he or she upheld Huntley’s second application.”

Huntley may remain in Canada while the legal process is completed.

Comments
  • immelmap - 2010-12-27 22:54

    Nobody can deny that SA is not safe.

      Donald - 2010-12-27 23:26

      The question is : Is it unsafe for Whites only?

      atticus - 2010-12-28 00:00

      Donald: I don't think that is the question.

      White Refugee - 2010-12-28 00:36

      @ Donald: Excerpt from African White Refugee Briefing Paper to NATO Military Committee; and 5 EU Progenitor EU Nations Officials: "The argument that asserts that simply because black South Africans are equally the victims of crime in South Africa, means whites should shut up, go blue in the face, f**k off, or endure rape, torture and murder with a smile on their faces, or be deemed "racists?; totally ignores the reality that IF black South Africans are remotely sincerely upset or concerned about crime; they are the demographic majority and capable of electing alternative political parties or leaders who are serious and sincere about the importance of a competent ethical police force, justice system and government to seriously, competently and impartially deal with everyone and anyone alleged to be guilty of any crime. White South Africans are not politically capable of removing the corrupt and incompetent ANC; only black South Africans are; and black South Africans couldn?t care less about doing so."

      Moferefere - 2010-12-28 02:34

      White South Africans were solely consulted to provided a mandate to de Klerk to negotiate the dismantling of apartheid and among many other issues unbeknown to black people who were not consulted prior to CODESA, to establish the current electoral system based on proportional representation. Effectively this means that the electorate only has to choose between the ANC and literally the former apartheid representatives who have reinvented themselves as the DA to govern. Not individual South Africans on the basis of their capability and personal integrity. Under these circumstances which are exacerbated by the unabated racism, the ANC gang obviously has an unmatched advantage because the other party has a proven track record of screwing the present majority electorate big time in the past 50 years of apartheid and before. Besides, in tangible material terms, the 1990 settlement only benefited whites, the ANC big wigs and their cronies. So the current electoral system only provides an opportunity to ensure that whites as a gang do not come near Pretoria. In other words, the elections have long been rigged at CODESA and unless South Africa changes to a constituency-based electoral system, the status quo will prevail and nobody can do anything about it. As for Huntely, his effort is a big waste of time. Canadians cannot afford to the precedent that will be set by any overturning of the court ruling against the politically problematic decision of their refugee board.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 08:31

      @ Donald : Good question !

      nuclear - 2010-12-28 11:32

      Nobody can deny it, but lets look at the chronology of events here. 2009, Huntley gets his asylum. The story breaks here & divides the country into those who support him & those who think he's a clown. Then, stories of the case & his personal life emerges which make him an even bigger joke, e.g. assaulted 7 times but not one charge laid, then it came out that he's Coloured, then his Canadian girlfriend came on TV to say he just used her to enter Canada, & lastly, his own father didn't stand by him. The SA Govt, with all this info behind them, had a very good case to appeal. In 2009 & right up until the SWC, SA was made out to be the worst place ever (Germany urging citizens & team to wear bullet proof vests; UK reporting that we were running in the streets with machetes; Australia with that seething doccie, in a last ditch attempt to steal the SWC from us), with a lot of MAINLY White South Africans leading the way in tarnishing the reputation of SA. We all remember these forums in the run up to the event. Then, the SWC was the first chance the world got to see that SA is not the place portrayed in the media, or by the White minority. The success of the event, unified us for a split second, but thankfully also gave us a break from the Malema's & whiners in SA. Now, however, that sufficient time has passed, here we go again, with too many from the minorities trying to taint our name in every way possible. I say this as one of the minority!

      nuclear - 2010-12-28 12:01

      So yes, crime is a problem, nobody's denying that, but spewing hatred only adds to the problem. The crime in this country isn't Black against White but the 'have nots' against the 'haves'. Brandon Huntley is just a guy who saw a way to take advantage of the situation in SA in order to advance himself. Therefore, his White / Coloured ass can stay in Canada or return to SA, it won't make a damn bit of difference is the bigger scheme of things. Our attitudes however, will, for the better or the worse.

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:19

      Moferefere, You make one of the most sensible contributions here and you have made yet. Huntley has become the superfluous element in his own case. Rumours suggest the dude may not even be white. Albeit only God know what white is, as I see some very pink people claiming to be “black”... There are however issues at stake here of a far, far greater magnitude. Inter alia - three pertinent issues (as brief as possible): 1) The bona fide reason the ANC REACTED SO VEHEMENTLY: the ANC government (specifically the BEE Aristocracy) survives on ‘smoke-and-mirrors’ sold to the world. According to Mike Schussler, the SA economy could be sustained at large, by as few as 300 000 people (ie near half of 1% of the population). This ‘club’ is > 95% white (for ref here, call it the ‘Club 300’). Reminder - most BEE companies are a net loss to the SA econ (eg defunct BEE companies sponsored by IDC, banks, etc). The ANC/BEE Aristocracy has demonstrated a willingness to resort to armed confrontation to extort money from the Club 300 – eg manning road-blocks. Such action is overtly in line with the action taken by the Nazi’s against the Jews. The Nazi/Jew analogy is further augmented by the ANC/BEE Aristocracy’s institutionalised stigmatisation of whites as “racist villains with a superiority complex” – eg the recent recklessly one-sided report by the SAHRC, and a plethora of comments by the ANC ‘top brass’ and its lackeys.

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:20

      The ANC/BEE Aristocracy can only continue the blatant extortion, of the diminishing economic active population, as long it remains ‘under the radar’. As such, it is vital to ensure the rest of the world – particularly the West – sees the ANC as the benevolent ‘reconciliators’. Of course – nothing is further from the truth. Hence the reason the ANC HAS TO/HAD TO overturn the initial ‘Huntley’ verdict. 2) SAs crime statistics qualifies it as a ‘WAR ZONE’. It is clear that the ANC does not possess the ‘political’ will to resolve the “South Africa Problem” – ie CRIME and CORRUPTION. It is too much of a ‘hot potato’ to bring crime to levels of a civilised country. Effectively it would mean the ANC would be at war with its own constituency. Apart from the fact, some of the biggest criminals in SA, is current in the highest office and that many (if not most) of the top officials are themselves deeply entrenched in the SA criminal underworld. Corruption is so systemic in SA, its resolve would effectively take so many government employees out of circulation, the state- and/or municipal functions would entirely collapse. Most certainly there will not be even the remotest inkling of the government meeting its AA targets. The ANC was-, is- and will remain a liberation movement. It can only achieve its mandate through destruction and conflict. The ANC cannot rule a civilised country at peace – if it wants “to rule till Jesus comes” it required a pseudo lawless society (at best).

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:32

      As a consequence SA has become a “War Zone”. Huntley is a “war-refugee” and should be treated as such. SA stats of unnatural deaths exceed “officially recognised” war-zones. The world can ill afford another basket-case. Certainly not another ‘Zimbabwe’ on SAcan scale - the fact of the matter = however, bar the semantics, SA is in a full scale war... 3) Kudus Moferefere - indeed, CODESA WAS MEANINGLESS. We have a worthless constitution – apart from a pile of papers, it is frankly pointless. Something that is impossible to implement, in short, is meaningless. The 1992 referendum only tested the willingness of 10% of the population to reconcile. We still have NO measure of the willingness of 90% of the SA population to reconcile. Until this verity is established – SA WIL NOT WORK --- N E V E R...!!! SA need a 2nd referendum, with a simple question: DO YOU WANT WHITE PEOPLE TO BE SA CITIZENS..? Very, very briefly: If 51% or more, vote “YES”, then, All forms of Affirmative Action [AA] stops immediately. Any formal reference to Apartheid is a serious misdemeanour and treated severely. In short – we move on and compete equally at all levels. If 51% or more, vote “NO”, then, Whites in SA automatically qualify for asylum in the countries of their lineage. An amicable compensation is paid (the West benefitted hugely from colonisation so they must reimburse). AA and Redistribution is implemented severely and unabated. Whites can stay, but the consequences are unambiguous.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 15:16

      Spyker What are you smoking bro? GImme some of that!

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 16:23

      Gonner_in_24sec.com, The produce on offer bru, is not any different to what was available to the “previously” advantaged” fifteen (odd) years after the “liberation” of Angola, Mocambique, Zimbabwe (and alike). The only difference, I have chosen not to indulge (yet), hence a clinical assessment and a tangible solution. You see, I am not a politician, so I am not looking for a constitution, I am a professional REALIST, for this reason I have trouble sync-ing with (or is that to) the eclectic delirium of cloud nine... Request: Read it again, very sober, very slowly, thinking ALL the time – if you do not hear the penny drop, persist... Let me then ask you then – do you think 90% of the population of SA is ready to reconcile..? If you say “yes”, then kindly provide some form of substantiated evidence - iow something with a bit of “critical mass”, something remotely in the direction of deductive logic – not just the facetious ramblings from the latest publication of “Backyard Harvests for Dummies”... PS – yours was the response of app 20% of the people eligible to vote in the ’92 referendum...

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 16:45

      Gonner_in_24sec.com (aka Gonny@24.com), The produce on offer bru, is not any different to what was available to the “previously” advantaged” fifteen (odd) years after the “liberation” of Angola, Mocambique, Zimbabwe (and alike). The only difference, I have chosen not to indulge (yet), hence a clinical assessment and a tangible solution. You see, I am not a politician, so I am not looking for a constitution, I am a professional REALIST, for this reason I have trouble sync-ing with (or is that to) the eclectic delirium of cloud nine... Request: Read it again, the whole thing, very sober, very slowly, thinking ALL the time (don’t let the little words scare you) – if you do not hear the penny drop, persist... Let me then ask you then – do you think 90% of the population of SA is ready to reconcile..? If you say “yes”, then kindly provide some form of substantiated evidence - iow something with a bit of “critical mass”, something remotely in the direction of deductive logic – not just the facetious ramblings from the latest publication of “Backyard Harvests for Dummies”... PS – yours was the response of app 20% of the people eligible to vote in the ’92 referendum...

  • henrileriche - 2010-12-27 23:23

    Like we say in Afrikaans. Nou gaan die poppe dans! ;-)

  • atticus - 2010-12-27 23:59

    If he was black, he would be in, no questions asked, and of course, would not be looking for work. The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.

      Joe - 2010-12-28 02:58

      the western liberals are the lunatics. How they got this far to have a communist elected president of the strongest nation on earth, is only due to too many conservative people not taking notice, but thanks to the liberal agenda, the conservative eyes are opening, and they will take back what's rightfully theirs: freedom of oppression from political correct out of touch left wing NUTS.

      daaivark - 2010-12-28 08:29

      @ Joe. "a communist elected president of the strongest nation on earth".... What ARE you talking about?

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 08:32

      Atticus - thats BS and you know it.

  • White Refugee - 2010-12-28 00:02

    Wonder if the African White Refugees Briefing Paper and Report (www.african-white-refugees.co.nr) submitted to 160 EU political, legal and academic officials, as well as the NATO Military Committee: Chiefs of Defence in the 05-16 Jus Sanguinis Campaign had anything to do with Huntley's decision?

  • marco - 2010-12-28 04:54

    This guy Huntley really ****ed up his own future here doing and saying what he did especially about certain SA white people perceived indifferent treatment by a dominant black democratic government.It's no shame in seeking asylum in another country and more so in the socalled West if one has a legitimate cause for complaint against your country of birth inhumane treatment of it's own people,people from all walks of life do so all the time right here in the UK for example,but one thing you should never do is brandish your own country of birth for lack in care,compassion and fellow feeling for its own citizens in the way he described it and given the circumctances he highlighted surrounding his case when there is very little evidence in support of that.SA needs deserves the benefit of the doubt here.I don't know Huntley or his lifestory and I don't care too either but you never shoot yourself in the foot when you have nowhere else to turn and that's exactly what he's done.Where you gonna go now my man,Canada it seems don't want you there anymore and I don't think with your publicity SA's gonna welcome you back with open arms now are they.Did Huntley really think lashing out at South Africa as a country and it being frontpage news on CNN and other news channels you was gonna make the Canadian government take you in as one of their own or as a poor damaged soul in need of special privileges and services?They showing you the door mate what now for you Mr Huntley crawl back into the country you just the other day called a K@Kpot.

      Dog Poo - 2010-12-28 07:06

      South Africans are welcoming by nature, I am sure if he classifies himself as poor we can arrange an RDP house and maybe a not so fancy job, judging by the fact that he is not in anyway skilled, we can appeal to pub owners to help him out, this guy has an international bar & pub experience, that should count for something.

      perrrleeez - 2010-12-28 07:46

      Marco I agree 100%. Methinks Huntley should try Australia, they are looking for people to doi jobs the Aussies would not dream of doing - eg security guards, street sweepers etc. I know, I've met lots of my fellow SAns there who are doing these jobs. SA is a country not a banana republic. There's loads of problems here and if people choose to gap it then they should go ahead and do it but if Huntley and co have any pride, then they should never come back here. Iraq and Afghanistan are looking for those people who cant bear to live under a SA government. Hey guys, its a relatively free world out there. Your life is in your hands. Do with it what you will.

      henrileriche - 2010-12-28 21:47

      Julle ouens mis die plot heeltemal....Let me explain it in lay man's terms: The whole idea was to get his case heard again... Now that we got the worlds attention...Watch this space. This guys name is going to make bigger waves. Not the most attractive fella but this case will open a door to a psychological barrier which is the perception that whites cannot be asylum seekers and blacks are 'incapable' of racism. So in ander woorde.....This is not about one guy called Huntley. It's about you tossers unable to see the bigger picture.

      marco - 2010-12-29 01:28

      Why are so many of our fellow South Africans that are living either in England,Australia,New Zealand or Canada or those who have returned back to the Republic filled with so much unwarranted and malicious hate filled verbal aggressive speech in posting their comments and expressing their feelings on this forum?Everywhere you turn on News24 website regardless of the subject matter on display you'll find these kind of individuals who really swamp this webpage with the most beastly display of abject hatred towards their country of birth and it's people.Why is that though?They call South Africa and it's people so many disgusting hyperboles like Banana Republic,Failed State,Gone to the dogs and backwards country,ANC BEE Aristocracy since 1994 etc.And they will come back on here in response to my comment justifying themselves and arguing their point of view in defence of their exaggerated or extravagant expressions by sounding very factual and honest or even truthfull in the arguments they present sometimes with numerous stats facts and figures about the saucy and sordid goings on in the country but really what is wrong fundamentally with these kind of people is what wanna know?

      ex-pat - 2011-10-09 18:42

      Jeez, Hnerileriche, I WISH there were more people like you, capable of clear, objective thinking! But, if there were, the ANC would not be ruining (not running) South Africa!

  • Roger Jenkins - 2010-12-28 06:48

    SA policies must be racist. When a white male cannot get a job based on his skin color, then he is being racially prejudiced. It's as simple as that. Crime is the same for everybody, probably worse for the blacks.

  • Dog Poo - 2010-12-28 06:49

    Why on earth would a white South African man enter Canada as a refugee, is it because he is semi-skilled? I worked in Canada for three years, employed by Telus as a skilled worker, now I am back in South Africa, I have worked for MTN as a consultant, I will be going back to Cananda next year maybe for another three years.

  • Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 07:10

    Prison demographics: http://www.dcs.gov.za/WebStatistics/inmate-gen.aspx Chances are when you are a victim of crime, which is a matter of time, black South Africans would be commiting the crime. I'm under the impression that many black *criminal* South Africans are racist and particularly brutal towards white victims because the following are generally acceptable statements: "Here you behave or else you jump. Don't come here with that white tendency, go out bastard, bloody agent." - Malema “Kill the Boer; kill the farmer.” - Malema and Peter Mokaba. These are aggressive statements embraced by the majority and the "governing" political party. genocidewatch.org is a respected organisation. http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/countriesatrisk2010.html http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Countries_at_Risk_May_2010.doc Countries at Risk of Genocide, Politicide, or Mass Atrocities in 2010: Country:South Africa Threat Level:5-Polarization Victims:Boers/refugees Killers:Black racists Mandela is a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe - Bombings: The Church Street bombing killed 19 and wounded more than 200. - Landmine campaign: In submissions to the TRC, the ANC described the strategy and how they abandoned it due to the high rate of civilian casualties—especially amongst black labourers. The ANC estimated 30 landmine explosions resulting in 23 deaths, while the government submitted a figure of 57 explosions resulting in 25 deaths. - Torture and executions: The TRC found that torture was "routine" — even though it was not official policy— and executions "without due process" at ANC detention camps particularly in the period of 1979—1989. In February 1985 President P.W. Botha offered Mandela his freedom on condition that he 'unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon'. Mandela refused and remained in prison.. now he is a respected figure. No wonder the ANC still sings "Kill the Boer". Everyone wants to be a murderous terrorist like Mandela. http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories.htm http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories/murder.pdf http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories/culpable_homicide.pdf 16,834 murders + 12272 culpable homicide for April to March 2009/2010 is 29106 for the year. 29106/365.25 = 79.7 deaths a day. 1 in 4 South African woman have been raped in South Africa, this is worse than what happened in Congo during the various civil wars! No man taking his duty to ensure a safe and secure environment for his family can choose to remain in South Africa for any reason. Immigrate now as an expat or flee later as a refugee, it is only a matter of time. Things have not improved in 16 years, HDI measures have remained stagnent since 1994. African nations have proved themsleves in the past, South Africa is no different and is following the same trend. Civil war, famine and disease is the order of the day along with dictatorships and corruption.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 07:17

      After Mandela refused to condemn violence, 14 000 more people died between 1990 and 1994, 92% of it was due to black on black violence. Since 1994 we are now experiencing +-34 000 violent deaths a year the past 16 years. +-3700 farmers have been killed which represents 10% of the remaining commerical farmers. We are now a net importer of food. There are nations with darker histories than South Africa, the level of violence is a measure of humanity and South Africans are behaving in less than human ways. When will the ANC condemn violence?

      perrrleeez - 2010-12-28 08:01

      @Arthur Phili: You're right. This is all the more reason why those who dont want to live here should leave. Authur if you're in SA then I suggest you apply for an exit permit and leav and dont come back. Its amazing that there's all these professionals bashing down the door of the SAn governmenmt coz they can't get visas to come work here. Why are they coming if its so bad. The 3rd best SWC was held in this terrible country with all its crime and other garbage and yet there are people who are still coming. What I'm saying is that there is amixture of good and bad in this country just like in other countries. You choose to see the bad as do 1000s of other people but not the other side. If I were you I'd emigrate and leave the country to those who are working at it. NEW ZEALAND, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, THE USA THE UK, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN ARE ALL WAITING TO PAY YOU LOADS OF CASH FOR YOUR PRESENCE. GO FOR IT BOY!!

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 08:38

      Arthur you're stuck in the middle ages - get a reality check and stop isolating yourself from the rest of the country. People of all races and creeds go through various hardships in this country - stop feeling like a victim cos ur not - theres millions of all races worst of than you. By the way, when was this (please quote credible source) : "In February 1985 President P.W. Botha offered Mandela his freedom on condition that he 'unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon"

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 08:56

      perrrleeez - your post is subjective and speculative and has no evidence backing it up. If you spend R80 000 000 000 on a SWC its sure to turn out well, given you can purchase the skills of people who can make it a success. The same dedication for results does not hold true to any other government funded infrastructure. http://www.nationmaster.com/country/sf-south-africa/cri-crime If you wish to stick your head in the sand and be a dead optimist be one. If you can't see the signs or listen to good reason then good luck to you. What professionals want to work in South Africa? 5 million unskilled Zimbabweans and 250 000 retired Brits who live in gated communities far away from the real South Africa? You're the sort who takes one incident overseas and imagines it a daily occurance. Truth be told you're having difficulty coming to grasp with reality. South Africa is falling apart at the seams and people are desperately trying to convince themselves otherwise. What indications are there, that it will get any better than the rest of failed Africa? My previous posts had facts, figures, my predictions for South Africa based on historical trends, you can't deny reality so you answer me with meaningless comments.

      daaivark - 2010-12-28 09:28

      Oh come on Arthur. And your writing is NOT subjective?! Pull the other one on your way out. Bye.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 09:30

      @Gonny Google the wording, there are many references: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30E12F8385F0C728CDDAB0894DD484D81 <-- you have to pay to read the whole. Else http://www.africawithin.com/mandela/i_am_0285.htm I left the country due to violence, discrimination, corruption, decay and the inevitible future. I'm lucky enough to be able to escape as an immigrant and not as a refugee.

      prontuit - 2010-12-28 09:39

      I Totaly agree with you Arthur. One cannot fight against true history and stats. Some people are just to ignorant to grasp what is going on. In the Congo the one race descibed the other as cockroaches and created genocide. Here in our country they call it the "war of the flea" Here a little, there a little. Not making much noise and hiding it behind crime. I laugh at those who hang on dreams like SWC and rainbow nations while this country are being slaved by corruption and the moneypower. There reality check will come when evereything has collapsed like in the rest of Africa. And then they will flee to the 1st world to find a job. I will wait (in SA!) until that day come and hopefully skilled people like you will return so that we can start building a real country led by principled leaders. Peace to you.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 09:51

      @daaivark Don't you understand how to follow links or don't you have the ability to make sense of written analytical and statistical information? Where was my writing bias vs context and facts stated? When I stated a personal opinion I did so clearly, but stating that there are international professionals who want to work in South Africa without quantifying or referencing it and giving it context is silly.

      Boerseun - 2010-12-28 10:41

      I wish those who say you are subjective, will please take the trouble to point out where you were such? I fail to see it, but I do manage to read statistics pretty well.

      nuclear - 2010-12-28 10:58

      Prontuit - "true history & stats" - Is there such a thing or is your version of history & manipulation of stats , the true one?

      prontuit - 2010-12-28 18:04

      Nuclear - The true history and stats I am referring to is those that are highlighted by Arthur. If you disagree with any of those then please provide your source. Just be careful of being so positive that you loose sight of being realistic. Perhaps that is what's making you feel safe. I choose to rely on facts - real,substantial facts! For Huntley I don't cry, but I like giving him credit for using the same excuse as the late comrade O.Tambo to get an asylum. PS: Are you really part of the minority in this country? Because if you are, it doesn't take much to satisfy you. I'd rather have a 1st world perspective.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-29 09:48

      +- 1 million people have left South Africa, most are educated and therefore white people (see previous numbers), those who can leave have left. If it is not a sign of an inevitible genocide what is? 20% of the ethic minority have left, there is a young generation which is lacking in our demographics. If you look at the definition of genocide, step 6, you will see that white South Africans are under a real threat. South Africans have become jaded and do not understand what a peaceful life means.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-29 09:51

      With regard to education, 1.4% of Whites aged 20 and over have received no schooling, 1.2% have had no more than some primary schooling, 0.8% have completed only primary school, 25.9% have had no more than some high school education, 40.9% have finished only high school, and 29.8% have an education higher than the high-school level. Overall, 70.7% of Whites have completed high school.

  • perrrleeez - 2010-12-28 07:37

    The SA government appealed not coz they wanted characters like him back here. they appealed coz he's bullshi**ing about hios real reason for going. He wants to get a job abroad then let him go. I wont shed a tear. In fact the more people like him leave the better for South Africa. Theres nothing special about these people who go to Canada, Australia etc. Let them go and they should give them a one way exit permit like the Vorster's government used to do.These chaps go and work as security guards and street sweepers in those countries them let them go. We waste too much tiome making people feel special when they are no different from the usual rif raf floating around. YES WE HAVE MASSIVE PROBLEMS IN SOUTH AFRICA AND WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THEM BUT WHY SHOULD WE WASTE OUR ENERGY ON PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO CLEAN PEOPLE'S RUBBISH ABROAD

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 08:01

      In order to immigrate you need a clean police record, a complete bill of health, you have to be relatively young, you have to have a certain skill which is in demand. You will find most expats are highly educated individuals with skills which can't be easily replaced. Engineers, auditors, doctors, nurses and teachers for the most part. Sure there are a small number who become street sweepers, but due to a high minimum wage and a balanced tax system (5% don't pay tax overseas and 95% do pay tax) you can live a very good life earning only minimum wage. I'm a professional, working in a professional occupation, earning mimimum wage as I'm basically starting my career over, yet I'm enjoying a higher standard of living than in South Africa. The position I left in South Africa was vacant for 8 months, filled by another white male. One in 6000 South Africans have matric results like I do, 1 in 9 who do study my professional qualification finish, 2 of 5 finish the professional certification. It takes several million rand to get someone to my level of education, age and experience and few people as explained have the potential to follow my footsteps. My new country realises I'm worth allot of money, South Africa only saw me as a white male. Basically I earned 3x what most white males earn in South Africa, while I still lived there and here I earn more, enjoy a higher standard of living, have a great lifestyle, top medical care, state pension, a safe environment and earn only minimum wage, my potential won't be limited by EE/AA and racist practices. I work fewer hours, have less responsibility and don't have to complete my EE manager's work for him. So remain in South Africa, but you will be calling your expat friends for help sooner rather than later begging for help, don't allienate them.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 08:03

      Anyway, I'd rather be free, safe and stress free and pick up rubbish than get treated like a rubbish white slave working only to pay tax to support a corrupt former terrorist organisation which uses grants as bribes and false promises to purchase votes.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 08:13

      ...and another thing. You're like the king of a moleheap in South Africa. You think your BMW and Santon house (if you even have that) impresses people. Once you enter the real world you realise your bling, so called flashy job where few people have any form of education to compete with you means nothing. You will also realise the street sweeper overseas is as respected as the auditor, because people don't equate their level of self-worth with money and position. I rather like it. Its pathetic that you are not mature enough to realise it. If you serve a god called Mammon you're probably a South African, your whole sense of being is related to your superior position in society, which other people don't perceive as being superior or better or even comparible. A dishwasher here gets treated with dignity and respect, if you can't show people dignity and respect, please remain in South Africa.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 08:40

      @ Authur : "Basically I earned 3x what most white males earn in South Africa, while I still lived there" You have gotta be joking! White males still earn way more than other race groups in SA. In that case you must be earning 10 x more than the Asian, Coloured & Black men as compared to SA salaries.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 09:18

      @Gonny The reasons are due to relative levels of education and experience. The median age of black South Africans is 21 The median age of white South Africans is 35. 5.2% of black South Africans have an education higher than the high school level. 29.8% of white South Africans have an education higher than the high-school level. The median annual income of Black working adults aged 15–65 is ZAR 12,073. The unemployment rate of the White population aged 15–65 is 4.1%. The median annual income of White working adults aged 15–65 is ZAR 65,405. People are paid what they are worth, for the most part.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-28 09:20

      The unemployment rate of the Black population aged 15–65 is 28.1%. Forgot to paste that. Obviously people are breeding kids with no future, these kids are unemployable.

      CTScientist - 2010-12-28 10:40

      "Obviously people are breeding kids with no future, these kids are unemployable." @ Arthur Phili: You do an exceedingly good job at making a certain group of people sound like cattle. I, for one, am glad you are gone. You are no doubt also happy to be gone. A win win situation for South Africa, I rate. And, regarding your earlier posts, I am a professional who wants to work in South Africa. That makes 1, at the very least.

      nuclear - 2010-12-28 11:01

      But Arthur, if there's genocide for the Whites, why is the median age drastically higher than that of the Blacks? Surely, it should be the other way around? Doesn't fit your theory so nicely hey, but that's stats for you.

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:05

      Sorry nuclear, you have just dropped a stink-bomb onto your own counter... The median age of the EU = around 40 years (the comparable for the belligerent settlers before ’94). It has already dropped by 5 years in around 15 years. I would say the genocide is alive, well and VERY EFFECTIVE..! PS – trust you understand what “median” means – it is not the average...

      Brenton - 2010-12-28 15:52

      @Spyker "Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide To refer to your situation as genocide is an insult to all who have suffered these abuses. The "Genocide" that you so loosely refer to is criminals targeting innocent civilians of any color, race, etc. Or are the effects of crime more serious to you than the rest of the populous?

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 16:39

      Brenton-brakkie, Let us then plot the decline in the median age, of each of the major population groups, over the last fifteen years and assess the rates of decline... We may also take factors into consideration – eg each population group’s access to medical technology - ie to isolate the effect of ailment vs homicide and alike. But perhaps it will not [to quote an unintentional ally] fit your theory so nicely hey, but that's stats for you [unquote]. The inconvenient truth is – each “genocide” has always been a matter AFTER the fact (never during).

      Brenton - 2010-12-29 11:01

      @ Arthur Philli, your statistics are misleading and out dated. The percentages that you refer to are for 4,923,638 whites and 35,416,164 blacks and are based on a 2001 census. Be that as it may based on the percentages you provided you will see that the amount of blacks that have completed high school is 7,791,556 (more that the entire white population) compared to 3,446,547 whites. The percentages for blacks that have completed higher education are 1,841,640 compared to 1,477,091. Based on these numbers the medians that you provided for your arguments are meaningless, as for one they are outdated and they are comparing apples with oranges. @Spyker to use the median age of a populous, an outdated one for that, to try and justify an argument that there is a genocide against white people is foolish at best, but that is what you are a fool because you obviously don’t know what a median is, and if by some small chance you do you don’t know how to analyze it.

      linsenbolz - 2010-12-30 00:58

      Wow Arthur, I have never seen someone so bitter! If you're so happy in this new country of yours (wherever that may be), then why are you here? You don't sound like a remotely happy person. In that case, I'm glad you're gone. You sound like the type who simply complains rather than focusing on a solution. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • johnbradfield27 - 2010-12-28 07:48

    Dream on, boet

  • Greg - 2010-12-28 08:10

    The South African government got involved and organised this case be over turned, which in my opinion proves Mr Huntley's case that he is being persecuted in the country. The government had no right whatsoever to even get involved in this case. The ANC led goverment has recently publicly called us white people BASTARDS and BLOODY AGENTS. What more proof does the Canadian government need.

      Cyril - 2010-12-28 08:31

      No Man, the guy you are Referring to is Julius Malema. He's a typical young and angry individual. There is no general "going after whites" type of things going on in SA. That is not to say that SA is not dangerous, it is dangerous, thats a fact!!!!!!!!!

      Mthandi111 - 2010-12-29 14:03

      Are by any chance a British journalist who was at Luthuli House? If you are not , you are a stupid bloody agent.

  • Hugh - 2010-12-28 08:13

    I feel that the arguement in support of Huntleys appliation oud be the governments relutance to investigate the wanton violence against whites. It is easy to say that black also experience violence. According to my calculations based on population ststs, as rough as they are, Whites are 170 times more likely to experience crime than blacks. As for his claim at being sworn at during crime. Anyone who has knowledge of an African language will know that blacks are quick with demeaning words for whites.

      Cyril - 2010-12-28 08:28

      Man you talk absolute SHIT!!!!!!!!!

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 08:49

      Violence against Whites? What country u living in ? Zimbabwe? Stop thinking only white people are victims of crime. Stop acting the fool (Seriously) : "Whites are 170 times more likely to experience crime than blacks. As for his claim at being sworn at during crime. "

      nuclear - 2010-12-28 11:04

      I dare you to spend one day in the townships & then look at you '170 times more likely' figure again. It's the other way around.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 13:56

      @nuclear - if ur talking to me - Then are u daring whites only? what about colords and asians?

      nuclear - 2010-12-29 07:55

      Gonny, what are you smoking? The dare goes out to anybody who believes that '"170' times more likely" figure. Coloureds & Indians included. Rainbow nation & all!

  • Cyril - 2010-12-28 08:23

    SA is a very dangerous country, Brandon Huntley is only wrong about one thing. "The attacks on Whites issue". Crime covers all races. We have 18000 Murders a year, imagine then how many attempted Murders etc... etc..., Mr Huntley is correct to stay away as long as is possible!!!!!!

  • daaivark - 2010-12-28 08:28

    Huntley is an opportunistic chancer. I have absolutely no patience nor sympathy for him.

      Boerseun - 2010-12-28 10:43

      Jusat your opinion. 1milion + other have also left, for more or less the same reasons, so what are they? Also liars, chancers and nono patriots? Wake up, the roads might be a bit different, but the reasons for being on the road is the same.

  • Rajty - 2010-12-28 08:31

    The only reason he is seeking assylum id because he has no skil;ls to offer canada. he was a bum in SA and he is still a bum in Canada. Crime in SA is not soley directed at whites- crime is directed at those who have ( and in the current climate it includes anyboby and everybody). These claims of Huntley cannot be backed by any evidence that he ever reported being robbed- this guy is a bullshitter. he is looking for a free ride.....

      daaivark - 2010-12-28 09:29

      Exactly.

      Glenham - 2010-12-28 10:08

      Rajty. I agree, a lot of SA,s go overseas looking for a free ride,and the land of milk and honey, regardless of their skill levels. Do what a lot of us have done, move North. Lets do for Africa what we have done for SA, develop, Africa is the continent of opportunity. After 15 years in Tanzania, I have a house,3 boats, a nice car, my own business. I am as safe, as anywhere else. I love the country and the people, even thinking of giving up my SA citizenship. Long live Africa.

      blondie - 2010-12-28 14:55

      Very true he has two step brothers in cape town who are both drug addicts and his own mother who is not much better wants nothing to do with him

  • sradsteve - 2010-12-28 09:11

    I dont see what the issue is ? Just get his legal team to log on to this site and prove what a divided and viscious bunch we are. Case closed.

      daaivark - 2010-12-28 09:30

      ANd does it look as though we care what such a whiner thinks?

  • Boerseun - 2010-12-28 10:35

    The Canadians need to be amde aware of the crime stats in RSA. How can we all help to get this to them and force it dowen their throats, that is the real question.

  • K1d - 2010-12-28 10:41

    Let's hope he wins - we don't need his kind. If he loses, RSA should refuse him entry, let him become a real-live airport zombie. A-hole.

  • Khoisan - 2010-12-28 10:47

    Please God I pray that his appeal will be successful. Let them deal with this bile. We don't need him, he's of no use to us...all he will do is to contribute towards the violent psyche of SA, since he would want his revenge when he get's back and will perhaps kill 'seven black robbers'. Black robbers my arse. Please God, answer our prayers and let him win his case. As usual the argument is twisted by certain segments of SA's society. The issue is no longer "whether SA is safe or not" and as Huntley's legal rep. states, it's one of "whether he is a racist or not". Stick to facts. the dickhead abused the hospitality of his adopted country. When it suits you, doing wrong can be justified by claiming the "victim status”.

      141mat - 2010-12-28 13:09

      God does not work like that (and please do not pray to God and then call someone a dickhead, kinda defeats the point). I know you know this. I personally do not care what happens to the guy all i know that is that he is causing more problems for himself than anyone else.

  • nuclear - 2010-12-28 11:05

    But Brandon's not White! He lied about that too! LOL

  • morne.naude - 2010-12-28 12:29

    You Go Brandon!

  • BBCapeTown - 2010-12-28 13:04

    Donald, what makes me so bitter about this issue is that whenever a white person is murdered, the story hits the news and all of you get all excited about it. When a black person is murdered (which happens on a daily basis) no one gets to hear about it. A white granny died last week and everyone is hating on black people. My aunth was murdered in a white surbub last week and her breast was cut off. Did you hear of that story, NO.! Everyone is affected by violent crime, it's not just white people. Black people are just as angry about crime, black people are afraid for their lives, I check and recheck my doors and windows about 20 times before I go to bed because everyone feels unsafe. It's not fair to point fingers as if black people are not affected. My family and I are hurting from what happened last week. We are human and hurt just as much as white people do. My aunt has an 8 year old and a son who was doing his first year at Varsity. The 8 year old now has to move in my mother. Her children are inconsolable. So all of you must not come here and talk to us about about whites are the only ones affected by crime. I'm not saying deal with it but I am saying that black people are HUMAN too and have feelings too and things like these affect us too and we mourn too. Dont you dare think I'm not scared for my 3 year old daughter's safety. So how about we all stop pointing fingers and start finding solutions.

      shocked - 2010-12-28 13:18

      Did they find the guilty party responsible for murdering your aunt?

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 13:59

      BBCapeTown Sorry to hear - hope they punish the culprits to the max

      Dana - 2010-12-28 14:45

      BBCAPETOWN, first of all, my sincere condolences to you and your family for suffering like this. What a disgusting and heartwrenching barbaric act! Most of us have been victims of crime or have family, friends or colleagues who were victims of crime. To mention just one case - a Black colleague's son has been poisoned by someone and he died a very painful death. Criminals commit crimes and they are NOT limited to any race or nation. I agree with you that we all need to stop pointing fingers and start finding solutions.

  • Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:21

    As a consequence SA has become a “War Zone”. Huntley is a “war-refugee” and should be treated as such. SA stats of unnatural deaths exceed “officially recognised” war-zones. The world can ill afford another basket-case. Certainly not another ‘Zimbabwe’ on SAcan scale - the fact of the matter = however, bar the semantics, SA is in a full scale war... 3) Kudus Moferefere - indeed, CODESA WAS MEANINGLESS. We have a worthless constitution – apart from a pile of papers, it is frankly pointless. Something that is impossible to implement, in short, is meaningless. The 1992 referendum only tested the willingness of 10% of the population to reconcile. We still have NO measure of the willingness of 90% of the SA population to reconcile. Until this verity is established – SA WIL NOT WORK --- N E V E R...!!! SA need a 2nd referendum, with a simple question: DO YOU WANT WHITE PEOPLE TO BE SA CITIZENS..? Very, very briefly: If 51% or more, vote “YES”, then, All forms of Affirmative Action [AA] stops immediately. Any formal reference to Apartheid is a serious misdemeanour and treated severely. In short – we move on and compete equally at all levels. If 51% or more, vote “NO”, then, Whites in SA automatically qualify for asylum in the countries of their lineage. An amicable compensation is paid (the West benefitted hugely from colonisation so they must reimburse). AA and Redistribution is implemented severely and unabated. Whites can stay, but the consequences are unambiguous.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 15:19

      What you smoking? Ganja?

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 16:26

      Gonner_in_24sec.com (aka Gonny@24.com), The produce on offer bru, is not any different to what was available to the “previously” advantaged” fifteen (odd) years after the “liberation” of Angola, Mocambique, Zimbabwe (and alike). The only difference, I have chosen not to indulge (yet), hence a clinical assessment and a tangible solution. You see, I am not a politician, so I am not looking for a constitution, I am a professional REALIST, for this reason I have trouble sync-ing with (or is that to) the eclectic delirium of cloud nine... Request: Read it again, the whole thing, very sober, very slowly, thinking ALL the time (don’t let the little words scare you) – if you do not hear the penny drop, persist... Let me then ask you then – do you think 90% of the population of SA is ready to reconcile..? If you say “yes”, then kindly provide some form of substantiated evidence - iow something with a bit of “critical mass”, something remotely in the direction of deductive logic – not just the facetious ramblings from the latest publication of “Backyard Harvests for Dummies”...

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 16:40

      Gonner_in_24sec.com (aka Gonny@24.com), The produce on offer bru, is not any different to what was available to the “previously” advantaged” fifteen (odd) years after the “liberation” of Angola, Mocambique, Zimbabwe (and alike). The only difference, I have chosen not to indulge (yet), hence a clinical assessment and a tangible solution. You see, I am not a politician, so I am not looking for a constitution, I am a professional REALIST, for this reason I have trouble sync-ing with (or is that to) the eclectic delirium of cloud nine... Request: Read it again, the whole thing, very sober, very slowly, thinking ALL the time (don’t let the little words scare you) – if you do not hear the penny drop, persist... Let me then ask you then – do you think 90% of the population of SA is ready to reconcile..? If you say “yes”, then kindly provide some form of substantiated evidence - iow something with a bit of “critical mass”, something remotely in the direction of deductive logic – not just the facetious ramblings from the latest publication of “Backyard Harvests for Dummies”... PS – yours was the response of app 20% of the people eligible to vote in the ’92 referendum...

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 19:09

      Spyker - this space is for comments not for thesis by dissertation. If you have so much hatred why dont you just leave? (if you havent). If you have left - why dont you direct your energy to positive things. Yes 90% of the population i know personally see me beyond my skin color - they see me as the friend and colleague - finish n klaar!

  • Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:34

    Moferefere made one of the most sensible contributions earlier. Worth expanding on, Huntley has become the superfluous element in his own case. Rumours suggest the dude may not even be white. Albeit only God know what white is, as I see some very pink people claiming to be “black”... There are however issues at stake here of a far, far greater magnitude. Inter alia - three pertinent issues (as brief as possible): 1) The bona fide reason the ANC REACTED SO VEHEMENTLY: the ANC government (specifically the BEE Aristocracy) survives on ‘smoke-and-mirrors’ sold to the world. According to Mike Schussler, the SA economy could be sustained at large, by as few as 300 000 people (ie near half of 1% of the population). This ‘club’ is > 95% white (for ref here, call it the ‘Club 300’). Reminder - most BEE companies are a net loss to the SA econ (eg defunct BEE companies sponsored by IDC, banks, etc). The ANC/BEE Aristocracy has demonstrated a willingness to resort to armed confrontation to extort money from the Club 300 – eg manning road-blocks. Such action is overtly in line with the action taken by the Nazi’s against the Jews. The Nazi/Jew analogy is further augmented by the ANC/BEE Aristocracy’s institutionalised stigmatisation of whites as “racist villains with a superiority complex” – eg the recent recklessly one-sided report by the SAHRC, and a plethora of comments by the ANC ‘top brass’ and its lackeys.

  • Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:35

    The ANC/BEE Aristocracy can only continue the blatant extortion, of the diminishing economic active population, as long it remains ‘under the radar’. As such, its vital to ensure the rest of the world – particularly the West – sees the ANC as the benevolent ‘reconciliators’. Of course – nothing is further from the truth. Hence the reason the ANC HAS TO/HAD TO overturn the initial ‘Huntley’ verdict. 2) SAs crime statistics qualifies it as a ‘WAR ZONE’. It is clear that the ANC does not possess the ‘political’ will to resolve the “South Africa Problem” – ie CRIME and CORRUPTION. It is too much of a ‘hot potato’ to bring crime to levels of a civilised country. Effectively it would mean the ANC would be at war with its own constituency. Apart from the fact, some of the biggest criminals in SA, is current in the highest office and that many (if not most) of the top officials are themselves deeply entrenched in the SA criminal underworld. Corruption is so systemic in SA, its resolve would effectively take so many government employees out of circulation, the state- and/or municipal functions would entirely collapse. Most certainly there will not be even the remotest inkling of the government meeting its AA targets. The ANC was-, is- and will remain a liberation movement. It can only achieve its mandate through destruction and conflict. The ANC cannot rule a civilised country at peace – if it wants “to rule till Jesus comes” it required a pseudo lawless society (at best).

  • Spyker - 2010-12-28 14:47

    As a consequence SA has become a “War Zone”. Huntley is a “war-refugee” and should be treated as such. SA stats of unnatural deaths exceed “officially recognised” war-zones. The world can ill afford another basket-case. Certainly not a ‘Zimbabwe’ on a SAcan scale - the fact of the matter = however, bar the semantics, SA is in a full scale war... 3) Indeed, CODESA WAS MEANINGLESS. We have a worthless constitution – apart from a pile of papers, it is frankly pointless. Something that is impossible to implement, in short, is meaningless. The 1992 referendum only tested the willingness of 10% of the population to reconcile. We still have NO measure of the willingness of 90% of the SA population to reconcile. Until this verity is established – SA WIL NOT WORK --- N E V E R...!!! SA need a 2nd referendum, with a simple question: DO YOU WANT WHITE PEOPLE TO BE SA CITIZENS..? Very, very briefly: If 51% or more, vote “YES”, then, All forms of Affirmative Action [AA] stops immediately. Any formal reference to Apartheid is a serious misdemeanour and treated severely. In short – we move on and compete equally at all levels. If 51% or more, vote “NO”, then, Whites in SA automatically qualify for asylum in the countries of their lineage. An amicable compensation is paid (the West benefitted hugely from colonisation so they must reimburse). AA and Redistribution is implemented severely and unabated. Whites can stay, but the consequences are unambiguous. Assess it cautiously...

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-28 19:10

      "Whites in SA automatically qualify for asylum in the countries of their lineage." Dream on - Britain is run by the Asians now - fat chance they gonna give whites in SA "automatic asylum"! lol

      Spyker - 2010-12-28 21:30

      Gonner_in_24sec_flat May I facilitate in making yours a fuller experience, as your initial request was proof that you are running low on stock of flora of the giggle strain... The meaning of “Comment”: “...the act or process of furnishing critical commentary or explanatory notes, intended as an explanation, illustration, or criticism of a passage in a writing...” If the majority is as amicable as per your exposition – the suggested referendum should not be a problem, now should it dear brother..? I do though sense a slight dithering (ie a little “speed whobble”), as your malevolent attempt to infuse trepidation (I guess ‘LOL’ is not ‘Lots Of Love’), serves only to demonstrate your own reservations in your facade of confidence... You saw it fit to tender “hatred” – shall I remind you AGAIN how our benevolent friends (the ones who see beyond skin colour) published the recent SAHRC report – perhaps the single greatest piece of “white-bashing” yet. Shall I also remind you that the said friends, in groundwork for the elections, are pursuing formal action to incite the masses to the amicable tradition of... KILLING. Further – in recent days, the ANC saw it fit (obviously in a rage of total colour-blindness) to indict the entire white population, of a superiority complex and that they should accept their fate as a corollary of the black inferiority complex... Be careful what you wish upon others, be VERY, VERY F**KING CAREFUL... It has a bizarre tendency of going 360...

      mpanzame - 2010-12-29 07:00

      A bit late in responding - but, may I add to this - Spyker - I agree. The ANC , by virtue of their involvement in this case, has indicated that they are racist. There is more than enough evidence to support this statement. The greater SA popu;lation has voted for the ANC, and therefore by association are racist too. With the NP it was the opposite in the whites favour. So, as a white person in Africa, either you need to accept that you have few rights and are voluntarily or forceably will be milked for what you have, or you need to accept that you need to get the heil away from Africa.

      Gonny@24.com - 2010-12-29 09:05

      Spyker : WTF! I dont understand what you're going on about? Are you Afrikaaner cos your english in incomprehendible - seriously what are you on about? "Be careful what you wish upon others" --> Where did i wish anything? Are you on cocaine?

      Spyker - 2010-12-29 11:18

      Gonner_in_24sec_flat, No bru, I am not on ‘Cocaine’, I am on ‘Comprehension’ – clearly the substance of your indulgence, sorely absent from the upper corner office, of the corporate house...

      Mthandi111 - 2010-12-29 14:23

      I like this guy Spyker, if 90% vote " No" to whites. Do you really think white's will up and go. These guys got houses, Cars, Boats, Private Jet, Farms etc their lives firmly planned for SA. Are trying to call for civial war. I am black I wont mind a Farm for myself. Me thinks SPYKER is a poor white man with nothing to lose

      Spyker - 2010-12-29 15:18

      Mpanzame, Kudus, bru. You have joined the ‘lonely hearts club’ of the few who are able to see that the Apartheid regime and the ANC/BEE Aristocracy regime are exact hybrids of each other. They have simply gone and painted the black stripes white and white stripes black. NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN SOUTH AFRICA. We are still a severely polarised country governed by racially divisive laws and a bigot fascists’ government. As for making a ‘duck’ – is it so far-fetched..? How many people went into exile under Apartheid – it stands to reason, that under a regime that is an exact hybrid of Apartheid, many will chose exile. By the shear virtue of people ‘going into exile’ – iow they are coerced to leave, but would have stayed under a different political dispensation – serves as tangible substance that SA is under the shackles a fascist regime. Under Apartheid my line of reasoning was branded as Communism, Lefty Liberalism; under the ANC/BEE Aristocracy regime, the exact same line of reasoning is branded as Right Wing Racism, White Superiority Complex. As under Apartheid, the said line of reasoning was/is overtly scorn by the electoral majority... The central debate here is – does Huntley deserve political asylum..? More so – do white people in SA qualify as political refugees..? I am asking, what is the purpose of speculation – lets formalise the issue and have a Referendum. Why are we suddenly soooo scared of democracy..?

      Spyker - 2010-12-29 16:41

      Mthandi..., You present a ‘case-in-point’. Three points to consider (amongst many), 1st, The SAcan syndrome of the emphatic lack of foresight - coupled with a complete lack of any depth of thought. To such people everything in life is merely about the very thing veneer on the surface. They do not have the faintest clue what is below the surface – in fact their minds cannot even go there. Let me try by example – a black man in Zimbabwe wants a farm. He doesn’t understand what farming is. What is behind the things he sees on the surface, etc. But he wants the farm. He thinks all that is needed is training - that the government must give, naturally. But he cannot think critically and ask himself, but who trained the white man..? In fact, where did the 1st white man come from, to train the 2nd one..? But these thoughts are too abstract, too deep, so they never occur... The consequence is of course very visible on the surface, specifically the surfaces around Home Affairs’ offices around SA, at this very moment... 2nd, The above leads to the harebrained assumptions that white people are prisoners of their wealth. Because you see – all that exists to people who make these assumptions – are the things on the surface. Assumptions that white people in SA will never leave and are therefore ripe for the pickings of exploitation (eg tax, corruption, crime, etc).

      Spyker - 2010-12-29 16:49

      Lest we forget one obvious matter – most white SAcans have a lineage from people who packed everything to come to Africa. Then they packed everything again and trekked North. White SAcans have done it (at least) once before, why not again..? In 300 years, European settlers of SA, had built one of the strongest economies in the world (some say the strongest, eg Rand > US$) This is what most people in SA cannot understand – wealth is not a fixture (“...houses, Cars, Boats, Private Jet, Farms..”), it is an essence. But such meanings are too abstract, so it cannot exist and does not in the minds of the masses... 3rd, If this notion was presented to white people in Zimbabwe (let us say) 20 years ago... Guaranteed, the response would pretty much have been what yours was. In light of the above then, my gratitude for you most valued input, you have reaffirmed that mine is the only workable solution. The key matter here and the core of the debate = does Huntley (who I understand may in fact not even be white – I rest my case partly already), but more so, do white SAcans qualify as political refugees..? I say, let us have a referendum, then there is no doubt – why is everybody suddenly soooo scared of democracy..? ... You see, me thinks you are a cognitively poor black man, with everything to lose. I shall leave you alone with this thought - Ayn Rand once said “Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.”

  • Ebutu - 2011-10-09 12:02

    @Spyker & Daaivark: The solution here is simpule. When our visionary, the great President Julius Malema takes the presidency of South Africa then all white peepole must pay a wealth tax. This will uplift poor impoverished black peepole who have suffered under the arpheid regime. The whites lavished in their riches then; now its the balck youth's turn. Dont be sore losers. Take one or two black familes inot your mansions then we can all live together; have braaivleis and brandy and coke. I long for the eminent day of out great leader to deliver his opening address in Parliment. Viva JUJU get well comrade.

  • Ebutu - 2011-10-09 12:06

    @Spyker en daaivark: You see the solution is simpule. When our great visionary leader Julius Malema takes over the presendency of South Africa then all poor impoverished blacks will be uplifeted. Natioanlisation, White Wealth tax and forcing white peepole to take two black familes inot their mansions will unit us. Then we can all have braaivleis, brandy and coke together. I long for the day which is immenant, that President Malema addressed Parliment. VIVA MALEMA - get well comrade.

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