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Bring it on, Lonmin miners tell Radebe

2012-09-15 08:14

Rustenburg - Protesting Lonmin mineworkers in Rustenburg plan to defy government's warning and continue with their unprotected strike which has crippled the mining sector.

“We have heard [Justice Minister] Jeff Radebe is going to send his police here because he says our gatherings are illegal," said a worker addressing the protesters on Friday afternoon.

"You must know that on Monday you should be ready for Jeff Radebe and his police to come and do what they normally do to us.”

The man was one of several workers who stood up and addressed a thousand-strong crowd in Marikana at sunset.

"When cows are being killed we hear the SPCA complaining about it, but because we are puppies, no one stands for us. He is coming to kill the animals," said the speaker.

In response the crowd shouted "bring it on" in IsiZulu and Sotho.

Workers had gathered near the hill - where 34 of their colleagues were gunned down by police on 16 August - for progress reports on wage negotiations.

Earlier on Friday, Radebe told journalists in Pretoria that government will no longer tolerate the violence, threats and intimidation taking place in the mining sector.

He announced that measures would be put in place to ensure the mining situation was brought under control.

These included that "illegal gatherings, the carrying of dangerous weapons, and incitement, as well as threats of violence against anyone in the affected areas, will be dealt with accordingly".

Stun grenades

Loyiso Mtsheketshe, another striking leader, told the crowd on Friday to converge again on Saturday in defiance of Radebe’s remarks.

“These things being spoken about in televisions and radios about Jeff Radebe, they will not make us change anything. Tomorrow, you [protesters] are going to report to me in the morning.

"We want them to see that we are here, we are not deterred. They have made me angry now, tomorrow we are going to meet here again."

Within hours of Radebe’s remarks, seven people were arrested by police outside Aquarius Platinum in Rustenburg.

A group of protesters had marched from Anglo American Platinum's (Amplats) Bleskop stadium to Aquarius Platinum and demanded that it close.

Mametlwe Sebei, leader of a group which has called itself the Democratic Socialist Movement, told the protesters that all mines in Rustenburg must come to a halt next week.

Sebei said protests were continuing to close all mines in the area and named Samancor, Xstrata, Murray & Roberts, Implats and Amandelbult.

They gave the company 15 minutes to respond. Shortly after police were seen chasing after protesters.

A police helicopter cornered one of the protesters, who was also being chased by policemen on the ground, and then arrested him. Stun grenades were fired and protesters ran off, clearing the area quickly.

Aquarius, the third platinum mine to be affected, announced that it would suspend operations for the weekend and hoped to recommence on Sunday.

Comments
  • dudley.mamome - 2012-09-15 08:22

    This is not a wage strike anymore its something more sinister. As time goes on we'll stop feeling sorry for them.

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-09-15 11:33

      Its all about Mangaung. ANC ripping the country apart to get their snouts into the pig's feeding trough. Finish and klaar.

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-15 13:37

      For the first time, in a long time I'M PROUD OF OUR GOVERNMENT!! You did not feel sorry for these miners because of Apartheid or the fact that they are black, you looked at the reality of savage, criminal mobs threatening our democracy and you've made the sober logical decision that enough is enough. WELL DONE SAPS AND ANC, lets keep this trend alive, you will not tolerate rubbish behaviour, AND we will no longer tolerate devious, dark characters like Julius Malema. NOW WE MUST START REBUILDING AND TRY TO SALVAGE THE BILLIONS OF RANDS LOST, Julius owes the people of this country BILLIONS in damages!!

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-16 02:15

      They want to challenge government, means they want to challenge the rest of the law-abiding citizens - just shoot these saves criminals an get it over with!

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-16 03:42

      Justice Minister Jeff Radebe’s wife, mining tycoon Bridgette Radebe, the country’s richest & most powerful woman who owns Mmakau Mining & was put in charge of the state owned Alexkor when it “Privatised”...BEE style... that means state assets that were robbed by ANC, BEE moguls. She is also the sister of Patrice Motsepe, reportedly the richest man in SA, who owns African Rainbow Minerals. The mother of Bridgette & Patrice is Magaret Keneilwe, a Tswana Princess, so they do not come from a “Previously Disadvantaged” background, rather a super rich elite background. Bridgette is also the sister in law of another BEE mogul Cyril Ramaphosa. Her & Patrice’s other sister, Tsepiso Ramaphosa is the wife of Cyril Ramaphosa, one of the richest men in the country, who heads the Shanduka Group, which has shares in Lonmin. In fact, Ramaphosa sits on the board of Lonmin. These super rich black miners & arch communists all support nationaliation of the mines. They are the ones behind Malema & his nationalisation rhetoric. “Power to the people”, they profess while concentrating more power to an ever smaller & super rich elite of BEE thieves. Robbing & raping the mineral wealth of South Africa. Never forget that in the lexicon of the Communist, “The people” means the Communist elite & the Communist inner circle. Follow the money & you will see who that inner circle is. If they have such high socialist ideals why don't they sell their assets & give their wealth to the poor blacks?

  • robynne.els.1 - 2012-09-15 08:27

    Well stupid is as stupid does! They have been warned so nobody can turn around a boo hoo about the poor miners when there is another big clash including very real bullets!

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-15 08:28

    Wankers the lot of them are.You would think a 133 years after Rorke's Drift incident that these people would have learned something about going to battle armed with just spears,assegaai's and knopkerries against guns.

      bless.boswell - 2012-09-15 09:01

      You forgot the rabbit and the sangoma ...

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-09-15 09:28

      The only drifts they know off Jacksons drift and a bottle of (5 past 8 )klipdrift

      blip.noodlum - 2012-09-16 00:15

      The strikers are Pondos not Zulus. They're from the Eastern Cape.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-15 08:29

    This is blatant defiance! Lets now see if the police can hold true to their word.Just proves these "strikers" are not there to air their grievances but start a civil riot. Tsotsis the lot of them!

  • martin.green.522 - 2012-09-15 08:31

    So they want more money, but at this stage they are causing the company that is suppose to pay these higher wages such a gigantic loss that at some stage there will be job losses due to financial problems, can they not see what they are doing too THEMSELVES? and worse of all, this whole situation is long time not about wages anymore, it became a political play field! The problem with this is that strength is shown by brains and not by muscles! these guys are now actually giving themselves rope, to hang themselves. I wonder who would be to blame, according to all the involved parties, when the new statistics show South Africa as BAD and INSECURE place to invest in, and when the figures show that unemployment have risen?

  • siphom.mngadi.7 - 2012-09-15 08:35

    Yo ninenkani yazi nincamela ukubulawa ama phoyisa.

  • cliffmias - 2012-09-15 08:49

    Is this really about money? or is about the widening gap between the rich and the poor? seams hardly fair that top guys get millions while the masses become the slaves

      robynne.els.1 - 2012-09-15 08:56

      I agree that employees should be paid and treated well but nowhere in the world does an entry level worker earn anywhere close to what the boss does! This is because the boss didn't just show up and start earning, he invested time and money to build it up! If people want to earn a bosses salary they must start a business.

      mariette.brand - 2012-09-15 09:26

      True-as-Bob

  • danscholtz123 - 2012-09-15 08:50

    Once again history repeats itself. Jannie Smuts had the same situation with the miners strike in his time ---- he was challenged to take action and he did ----- by putting his foot down he sorted out the problem. The ANC should learn from this --- what they have to do might not be a popular decision but they now have to make a stand. First thing I would do is rope IDIOT Malema in and sort him out. Presently he is the ignitor that is not needed in the present situation. I think some people must realise by now its not all moonshine and roses to govern a country.

  • bless.boswell - 2012-09-15 08:59

    By the time they have sorted this out, platinum will no longer be used for catalytic converters - and they will no longer have jobs - it'll all be over. Agreed that they need a decent living wage, but their recent demands are over the top. There are many folk out there, better educated, living on less and happy with it.

  • teleki.maker - 2012-09-15 09:01

    Gonna enjoy this

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-15 09:10

    'He is coming to kill animal' Oo yes!what abrilliant expressio ,Let the police blow out the brains of vicious predators.

  • Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-09-15 09:11

    The workers are in a corner. Virtually all of them are either from eastern cape,lesotho,swaziland and botswana. The police are mainly locals with with hidden agendas of migrant labour,ethnicity,stolen girlfriends, etc. The eastern cape provincial government as well as municipalities need to curb this trend of our brothers having to go and seek work in gauteng,northwest etc.. They work there for decades growing the economy of those provinces. They come back as invalids with lung infections and other occupational deseases. We have a burden of having to care for the people who spent their lives uplifting affluant communities that only exploit them whilst they still have energy. Lets diversify our income sources,mining has always been mploying slave tactics to drive up profits.

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-15 10:45

      Slaves work because they are forced for no compensation... Exactly the opposite of these miners, so i have no idea where this argument of slave tactics originates

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-15 11:03

      Shame!

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-09-15 13:28

      I've always suspected that the 'problem' with this 'SPEARS' is bcas they are from E CAPE,ZIM

  • albert.opperman.7 - 2012-09-15 09:16

    I thought unemployment was a serious problem to the economic growth of SA? It seems as if the "employed" are causing a bigger threat these days! Another question I have is: What percentage of these strikers are migration workers from neighboring countries? Send them home and keep South African jobs for South Africans!!!

      Zahir - 2012-09-15 09:35

      The locals don't want to work they want to earn huge salaries but are going to lose jobs

  • Duncan Colter - 2012-09-15 09:19

    Sticks vs guns. What do think is going to happen? 84 this time before they stop charging?

  • Michael - 2012-09-15 09:22

    That Sangoma gave these miners something out of the ordinary, some of them cant even think straight anymore, some of them have canceled funeral covers, who can help these folkes to understand that no strike can last forever, and in the end losers will be miners!

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-15 09:24

    "Bring it on"...yeah...and we will see who looses the most...or everything

  • riaan.w.vanwyk - 2012-09-15 09:29

    This is no longer a wage dispute issue but a display of defiance against government.. And so the revolt starts..

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-15 09:30

    Unreal. These idiots are affecting more than just the mines. The embattled timber industry which is partially dependant on them is under immense strain due to this barbarism. Thousands of these sawmillers are now in very real danger of loosing their jobs due to these mills closing down. Just either shoot them or fire them already so we can move on.

  • JamesMWood - 2012-09-15 09:32

    Looks like SA is destined to be a policed state

  • shirley.brun.3 - 2012-09-15 09:34

    Malema ---> London Malema ---> Lonmin FBI - Malema Fire the lot and get it over with! There are millions without work who will only be happy in the mines.

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-15 09:43

    Push on until your demands have been met, dont surrender for many years you have been exploited and from today onwards management and Government will start treating you with respect you deserve.Mining revolutionary has began

      shirley.brun.3 - 2012-09-15 09:44

      Respect? Do you even know the meaning of the word? Fire the scum!

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-15 10:09

      You mean with the contempt they deserve.

      riaan.w.vanwyk - 2012-09-15 10:14

      You live in a dream world Tshepo, respect is lost for these miners through their actions not gained.. They have shown the rest of SA that they are a bunch of thugs and criminals.

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-09-16 14:51

      We only need government for two purposes and that is to protect the rights of the citizens and to the best of their ability prevent the “initiation of force”. When the President of the country says that minorities have no rights in a democracy… Then they have broken the social contract with the people and lost their right to rule. Such a government is then unconstitutional, illegal and downright criminal. Such a regime should not be tolerated. In the absence of justice, civil disobedience is the only option. Civil disobedience is a necessary and integral part of a true democracy. It is ingrained into the constitution of the country… Section 17 of the “Bill of rights”. If government is a machine of corruption and theft then we should be the friction that wears it out and brings it to a standstill. If unjust laws requires you to be the agent of injustice then I say break the damn law!! If the very constitution is the evil, and there is no other way, after you have picketed and petitioned the regime, then what remains? Until the government of South Africa commits itself to treat all its citizens with FULL equality and protection under the law, as stipulated in its constitution and rids itself of its discriminatory laws and actively commits itself to the protection of minorities in the country, they should include me out from their Rainbow Nation circus and deal with my FULL resistance and criticism as it comes.

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-09-15 09:43

    This is very strange and can`t believe that this our our goverment that doing uses the same tactics that was used by aparteid goverment and as a memebr of anc we can not allow our our goverment to oparate this way.

      shirley.brun.3 - 2012-09-15 09:46

      Apartheid, ride the old apartheid horsey. No law and order means no government idiot

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-15 10:38

      Yeah mate your ignorance in believing only the apartheid government handled these things like this is sad. This is how government operates. Could be.worse, like syria... But these people deserve it. I mean wtf are they still doing in the.hostels? Arent those for legit employees?

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-15 10:50

      Mr Zondi what must the goverment do? I would like to know what you propose.

  • hsebolelo - 2012-09-15 09:47

    This is No more a strike for Money\r\n The second offer is by far the best\r\n N most are Not south africans, Nxa

      Kabeya Venny Kalombo - 2012-09-15 10:49

      Eish, i really wonder hw this country can move on when in everything foreigners must always be blamed to satisfy some SA citizens hate caracter. from wht i've getting from the news update so far, there might be a very small percentage around 0,01% of over 7000 mine workers, i dont think this few number of foreigners amongst thousands Of SA can really make a big difference. please, let stop blaming these innoncents foreigners for our own craziness, still, speaking of foreigners it's a BLACK AFRICAN like us looking for new hope and home, meanwhile, plenty of white, indians crossing the sea everyday, pakistanis,etc are also worth to be treated the same way. South africains, we quickly forget history!!! and that's sad

  • ipeleng.molaba - 2012-09-15 09:51

    Nw its nt th tym 4 warnings, its tym 2 luk 4 solution 4 th prblm 2 avoid more lyfs 2 b lost.. W must nvr lt history repeat itslf

      alansmartSnr - 2012-09-17 02:05

      @..ipeleng.molaba Are you still in primary school (grade 5 perhaps)?? or are you just plain dumb and uneducated. Try writing in english or whatever makes sense. ..This is not a mixit forum and comments are supposed to at least be in some intelligent form and for people with a bit of common sense..Idiot!!

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-09-15 09:57

    We must remember that this is the same goverment that created a wide gap between the rich and the poor in therefore big campanies must give workers what is due to them bcoz these companies have been milking our economy for a very long time its time to pay back and goverment must stop protecting the intrests of the capitalists.

      riaan.w.vanwyk - 2012-09-15 10:17

      These companies have provided the food on your table idiot, if they close you go down aswell, wake up!

      shirley.brun.3 - 2012-09-15 10:27

      a Company cant milk an economy! What kind of reasoning is that? They are the tax payers, kill them and you kill the economy! Funny how your Malema visted London for loans from white people. Remember white capatalists?? He is killing the whites and jokery his name and then expect them to trust him! He failed, then he came back and started on the mines to show everyone how he can cripple a country. I really hope the fat pest can feed the rest of the country.Zimbabwe reasoning failed and why will it not fail here?

  • vuyani.zondi - 2012-09-15 09:57

    We must remember that this is the same goverment that created a wide gap between the rich and the poor in therefore big campanies must give workers what is due to them bcoz these companies have been milking our economy for a very long time its time to pay back and goverment must stop protecting the intrests of the capitalists.

  • Khayoh Mfiswah - 2012-09-15 09:57

    Abeze maComrades bazonya. \Thina senza nje uma silwela amalungelo wethu\ *ecula*

  • joe.smit.549 - 2012-09-15 10:01

    Just make sure Malema is in front, when you storm the police again. And just to prove that he really cares, make sure he does it without the muti.

  • aroka.murombe - 2012-09-15 10:01

    Still its jeff speaking, were is your idiotic president in all of this?

  • raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-15 10:08

    So funny. When the police open up on them again and they will. It will be all how did this happen. Can't wait for these murderous a**holes to get what they deserve a 5.62 high velocity round straight to the face. This time there will be no sympathy, they could play the victim card once now it is blatantly clear they are the aggressors. Viva deadly force viva .

      elliot.hlatshwayo.1 - 2012-09-15 10:41

      I have been reading comments ever since this Marikana saga started and it is now clear that white people won't stop hating Africans for nothing. Well let me tell you something whities you will never ever rule in this land instead we will drive you back to the sea where you belong

      Maketa Khayalakhe Khekhe - 2012-09-15 11:18

      speaking like a real afrikaner this people in power are still da same as those previously in power 2 me now ANC is like those old apartheid boers dey can kill those miners they won't change anything

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-15 11:33

      @Elliot , don't assume to know me. When this all started I agreed with the miners but as soon as they started killing people they lost my support. So please take your bigoted racist sentiments and shove them. You ignorant ,uneducated dimwit . But hey it's so easy to blame whites for your own lack of hard work,keep plugging your stupid theories at your peril. Ass .

  • dentamokhabz - 2012-09-15 10:15

    Is Jeff Radebe protecting his brother in law interest I mean Motsepe interest in mining sector. Mines are making Billion but can't pay thousand to its employers.

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-09-15 13:16

      Yes!Yes!

  • YamkelaFortuneSpengane - 2012-09-15 10:20

    Izwe lethu. These miners are doing a wonderful job, its time the establishment of comprador ANC and white supremacy understood that the power belongs to the people and the people have more power than the people in power. These miners are starting a long awaited revolution, we will bring this government and its corruption and exploitation of the black man together with all its cohorts to its knees. They feed themselves with sky high unnecessarily huge salaries and bonuses while they refuse to pay the people who make their money a decent salary. It will stop, or they must go dig for a change. Amandla awethu, hayi iANC nabo Oppenheimer nabo Ramaphosa.

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-09-15 10:30

      Your ignorance is astounding. What do think is going to happen? You put these idiots in power and now you complain maybe if you started to use the democratic process(voting for some one else) you would not be in this situation. But if you don't do that don't moan and carry on like a spoilt child.

      christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-15 10:31

      What does it matter if they are white? Throughout these forums it seems that you guys are bothered that the white bosses are rich, as if they were black it would not be a problem... Greed for money does not pick a colour my friend. If those people were black theyd treat you the same. Its clearly evident through cyril. But you are to biased in your hate for the white man to see it

      YamkelaFortuneSpengane - 2012-09-15 14:26

      If I saw some brain matter input behind these two comments, i would dignify them with a response. But imagine I having to engage such spews of bile. Give it a rest, you people for some reason think whiteness makes you superior, and you are going to be in for a massive suprise; you are going to be flabbergasted i tell you.

  • thomasj.dawson.75 - 2012-09-15 10:22

    And so The End is Near...When The End Justifies the Means,Hopefully Prosperity Will Dawn From The Ashes Of RUIN.

  • sampson.mamphweli - 2012-09-15 10:36

    Dr Mamphele once said that people need to be educated about democracy, I think the protests that have become violent is one indication of the ignorance of people about our own constitutional rights and the meaning of democracy. The protesters feel that they are the law unto themselves and they can just kill whoever disagrees with them, as much as the right to protest is one of the bill of rights in the constitution, that does not take away the rights of others to a peaceful and clean environment. I echo the justice minister's sentiments, thugs must be brought to book and illegal gatherings must come to an end.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-15 10:45

    Anarchy in "our long fought free democracy". You get the government that you vote for!

  • rohin.jadin - 2012-09-15 10:46

    if they insist on this attitude of "Bring it on" - they must accept the consequences and not cry foul when the police bring it on.

  • heinrich.venter.9 - 2012-09-15 10:48

    "Democratic Socialist Movement" mmmm not contradictive at all...

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-15 11:12

    Cde Radebe has no police ....only prosecuters, magistrates and judges......i think the miners are thinking of cde Nathi Mthetwa....i see that they have already taken Juju's IQ

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-09-15 13:08

      Let us JUJU followers educate u:J Hadebe INDIRECTLY CONTROLS THE POLICE through his CHAIRMANSHIP of the JUSTICE

  • FinalJustice - 2012-09-15 11:24

    ROTFLMAO, this almost killed me now ... 'The Democratic Socialist Movement'

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-15 12:39

      i understand why you laugh,you do not care about other people and you are satisfied about your salary or needs.also you are confused.

      irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-15 12:43

      among other things you decide to laugh while others are suffering,indeed you must be very happy.

      FinalJustice - 2012-09-15 13:02

      You're missing the point bro: If you understood the meaning of 'democratic' and/or 'socialist' you would have truly understood why I'm LMAO ... Not because I feel especially sadistic today or for any of the other reasons you mentioned above. Catch a wake up and don't be so freakin' racially sensitive to any comment you read here, please.

  • marie.mckay.501 - 2012-09-15 11:36

    Don't these miners realise that if the mines close down, they won't have any jobs at all, never mind increases. In a country where there is such a dire shortage of jobs, they should be grateful that they've got jobs. Marie Mckay Paris

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-09-15 12:02

    When the massacre took place at Lonmin we cried of leadership. Even now for me its still the case, how do you threaten instead of negotiating solutions? We need diplomatic approach to lonmin situation not fake intimidations from the so called comrades. Its worse our president is hiding behind the commission of enquiry.

  • tony.naidoo - 2012-09-15 12:09

    ANC - roar like lions, bite like chihuahuas and steal like professionals!

  • adam.nkuna - 2012-09-15 12:17

    Its very bad for other poor workers that needs to feed their families because some will be arrested and some will be fired also some will be crippled on the fight with the police or even killed

  • batlilemalik.ramasodi - 2012-09-15 12:56

    If people are killed again, a case of war crime shud b opened against julius malema he's the 1 who encouraged them to strike, all he wanted was to b in the spot light again using other people pain

  • John Peter Steyn - 2012-09-15 13:34

    Mein Bok Malema has never even worked in his life. How can he address working men?

  • siyanda.yeni.5 - 2012-09-15 13:34

    Why take police there again,I mean after what happened? Why not go there alone and address the peaple,make false promises like they always do?

  • John Peter Steyn - 2012-09-15 13:35

    Hardegatte

  • jacques.swanepoel.372 - 2012-09-15 13:52

    Will get the pop corn ready, it is going to be an interesting one. This is exactly what happens when lawlessness is in the order of the day. SANDF and Police we support you all the way.

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-09-15 14:14

    Give people money

  • Kalimowakene - 2012-09-15 15:12

    We will continue protesting until we are heard by those who are xploiting us. Evenif u arrest us united we stand, divided we stand. we want to be called to the round table.