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Bulletproof vests 'not user friendly'

2012-05-08 22:39

Polokwane - The current form of police bulletproofing is unusable and potentially dangerous, the Police and Prisons Civil Rights Union (Popcru) in Limpopo said on Tuesday.

“The form of training that the police undergo is not amongst the best in the world, members are not equipped with necessary training to deal with violent crimes and bulletproof [vests] are not user friendly,” Popcru provincial chairperson Khehla Masemola said.

He was speaking in Polokwane at a summit on police killings.

Masemola said there was a need to look at the quality and design of police bulletproof vests because officers did not wear them because of their size.

This meant that they were often caught in dangerous situations without protection.

He said Popcru members should not subscribe to suspended police commisioner General Bheki Cele's "shoot to kill" slogan.

University of Limpopo professor Corenelius Reolofse said most Limpopo police were killed during their off-duty time.

Comments
  • Vernon - 2012-05-08 22:52

    can you believe this.... 'tummies in bums out'

      Gestoffle - 2012-05-08 23:54

      Not User friendly ? - FFS, arent there only 6 velcro straps to think about...or is the velcro getting stuck in their hair or something?

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-05-09 04:53

      Well bullets are also not user freindly

      Koos - 2012-05-09 05:20

      To much KFC. Doesn't fit over the belly. The velcro straps are too short.

      Robin - 2012-05-09 06:51

      Its industry standard used all over the world. Of course its not gonna be comfortable with 50kg chicken weight around your gut..union stirring nonsense to gain a few members...

      NrGx - 2012-05-09 07:42

      stomach in, vest out

      alexander.lombard - 2012-05-09 08:27

      Bullet proof vests are too big : Solution: Give them tshirts blessed by sangomas. These things are big because they need to stop a bullet.

      alexander.lombard - 2012-05-09 08:29

      Maybe if they wrote D&G on the vests it wont be as bad.

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-09 08:36

      take the skin OFF the KFC, before you eat it. That should help your fat a**es. Holy heck, can you imagine a situation where a cop in SA will take a bullet for you? Cops in the states will, because they are DEDICATED serviceman! but TIA! where police laziness is seen as fashion style (and my god, does it catch on fast!) Those cops get respect, because they have a backbone and self respect, they actually work hard at their jobs, and get promoted because of fine work...not because of cadres and backhand deals with thugs. Yip, TIA

  • Sharon - 2012-05-08 23:11

    "The form of training that the police undergo is not amongst the best in the world, members are not equipped with necessary training to deal with violent crimes" He says that and then focuses on the vests? Well here is my advice: Put your police force through a rigorous training programme, which includes a strict diet. The vests are not designed for an obese police force. See? All problems solved - trained police and vests that fit!

      Glenn - 2012-05-09 00:31

      I think the SAP recruits are not the best in the world, there in lies the problem The old SAP used to be quite efficient in all aspects of policing

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-09 06:17

      Glenn, the old SAP were better and had more pride, but really were not that great either. They had much easier circumstances - firstly 90% of the population feared them, not respected them. Black people were not allowed to move around in white areas at night without a pass - so there again, not easy for criminals to access us. But ja, at least they answered the charge office phone properly, and were not too lazy to put effort into their jobs. At least the pictures on the walls of their buildings were straight.

      Andre - 2012-05-09 08:46

      Sharon, I believe that our police are the best. In 90% of all crime cases they are on the crime scene even before the crimes are reported!

      Vernon - 2012-05-09 09:00

      andre,if you are joking .....good one

  • Gert - 2012-05-08 23:37

    "Their size" Is it the size of the vest or the size of the officer?

      Zing - 2012-05-09 07:50

      "officers did not wear them because of their size" heh heh heh heh heh

  • Shanan - 2012-05-08 23:56

    If it is not user friendly, don't wear it. I usually take my vest off when I do nothing.

  • tg.gumbu - 2012-05-09 00:22

    Popcru is right,not only bulletproofs but almost everything,skorokoro vehicles,torn furnirshing in charge offices while units not serving the public transport politicians with hummers,mercs,bmw's,etc

      Koos - 2012-05-09 05:21

      I wonder in what condition the cars are that were donated not so long ago. What happened to all the cars that were purchased before the WC? All dented and f upped I supposed?

      wesley.nel.5 - 2012-05-09 05:36

      Why is it broken like that, i am sure they bought new equipment, who will buy torn funiture otherwise they must fire the buyers

  • merushan - 2012-05-09 00:32

    They should go on a diet, then th vest should fit comfortably!

  • Nicky van der Vlies - 2012-05-09 01:36

    stomach in shoulders out guys

  • Buzz - 2012-05-09 03:12

    Well if most of the police officers are killed during their off duty time, it's best the SAPS start investing in bullet proof night shirts and pyjamas. Then again, I suppose you can wear a vest to bed...

  • Brian - 2012-05-09 04:53

    Okay, so I will get the next tender from the government, a Bulletproof vest with a big arch in the front.

  • kharnyge - 2012-05-09 05:07

    obviously none of you have actually felt the weight and size of a police bulletproof.....................its old tech compared to lighter and smaller versions available on the market.....even for a physically fit guy like myself its a hassle to wear.

      Koos - 2012-05-09 05:24

      So, the old guard were stronger, tougher and in a better shape? It's not like they ran with it anyway. They just shoot the prisoner as he/she runs away or lie on the ground.

      merushan - 2012-05-09 05:46

      So you choose comfort over your life?

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-09 08:08

      13kg for a SAPS bulletproof vest (made in SA). 1.5-3kg for most overseas police forces. Try walking, let alone running when you add 13kgs of clothing

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-09 09:22

      @Lacrimose- not to mention the heat in summer...easy to talk if you don't have to wear it

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-09 09:24

      That will be interesting to know what the local vets cost comparing to buy the lighter one directly from factory overseas. If the cost is not so much different why not make it an item that will be deducted directly from the cop's salary if lost. Does the lighter one gives the same protection? Remember, some of our criminals use a higher caliber gun to due crime with than some overseas countries are used to. I know of a couple of cops that are more build like Ryk Neetling, that also complain. How uncomfortable will it not be for the average cop? We all cant look like Ryk. Ok, I am now not talking of those that look like Dumbo.Lol.

      koos.vandermerwe.92 - 2012-05-09 12:29

      My kit in the SADF were heavier than 13kg ehen you went on patrollie. Seems like a bunch of poefters.

  • wesley.nel.5 - 2012-05-09 05:38

    Currently it seems more SAPS are killing themself, you dont need a bulletproof vest for that. Perhaps better gun control

      koos.vandermerwe.92 - 2012-05-09 12:30

      You shoot a pig in the head.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-09 06:09

    Thet're just lazy and unfit. Try asking an SA cop to follow a criminal - if it requires walking more than 10 meters he won't do it. Popcru will always look for excuses for their members to do less work, just like all these pride killing trade unions. They mostly die after working hours - do they wear these vests after hours?

  • IcemanGP - 2012-05-09 06:32

    I smell a multi billion rand cadre tender here.

  • anthro45 - 2012-05-09 06:46

    Do I smell a new tender coming up?

  • Danny - 2012-05-09 06:54

    Sure the size is not right, the only bullet proof devise that fits some of our "large" officers is a BRADLEY tank (it has a very large entry hatch)... I've not heard so much rubbish in a long time.

  • whoowhoohoo - 2012-05-09 07:10

    Strange that I never once in my 30 years of SERVICE to ALL members of the public, BLACK AND WHITE, had the need to wear a bulletproof vest. But then again I am white and blessed with intelligence. In my days being a policeman was a CALLING, not a JOB. Most of the present day so-called cops would not get work at some of our largest security companies. I have yet to see any member of our local security company untidy or dirty, fat and frumpy, not wearing the same kind of bulletproof vests issued to cops or driving a car with so much as a scratch on it. But then, the bulk of them are pre-1994 cops that our clever so-called government got rid of.

  • Martin - 2012-05-09 07:15

    its not that hard to put on seriously, oh wait i dont weigh 200kg

  • Warren - 2012-05-09 07:33

    I wonder who will get the tender to design this now, perhaps a cousin.

  • Warren - 2012-05-09 07:34

    This is how job creation is made in SA

  • ntunjab - 2012-05-09 07:37

    Coz most of the Polices got Beer Belly's

  • Kevin - 2012-05-09 08:10

    I'm sure that there must BEE the making of a Nandos advert in here somewhere...

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-09 08:31

    Why not user friendly? If you r unfit,sick,under/over weight,wrong size,not follow manual's instructions then they can not be user FR.\r\nR u trained to use it?

  • Nare - 2012-05-09 08:43

    most of u are overwEIGHT......lOOk at the TRT GUYS, SLENDER, AND THE VEST FIT THEM WELL

  • rianette.kemp - 2012-05-09 09:47

    the part that worries me most is this: "The form of training that the police undergo is not amongst the best in the world, members are not equipped with necessary training to deal with violent crimes..." In a country where this is prevalent surely this must be priority!!!

  • Dirk - 2012-05-09 10:03

    Just another way for one of there "brothers" to get a tender in and make millions... And the vests they produce will not be effective...

  • Sean - 2012-05-09 11:02

    Bullet proof vests are not meant to be comfortable. They are meant to be comforting. Most police who do not where the vests they have been issued do so out of laziness. They are not fit enough to where the vests all day so they toss them asside.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-05-09 11:41

    Easy let them us small calibre vests and lets see how quickly they moan about getting killed. The jackets in question have been good enough for the police for the "300 years" of black suppression, whats the problem now, need more hand outs? Why not force the idiots to wear the full military issue rigs and lets see how long they last wearing long sleeve flack jackets and vests weighing in at over 60 Kg. When you idiots start preventing crime and bringing criminals to book we can talk again until then my message to the honest policemen and woman of this country.......both of you are doing a sterling job

  • Tello Moleko - 2012-05-09 17:37

    SA i think we must stop comment on things we dont know.person who never wear that vest must keep quit,those vests damages kidneys for drivers.how can you say someone is unfit when he says its painful?is the same as wearing shoe not your size,can i say you are unfit?Gazo

  • Tello Moleko - 2012-05-09 17:40

    if never wear the vest,keep quit.Gazo

  • Thabonyana - 2012-05-15 19:28

    i agree that the vests are not user friendly, they cause discomfort when driving especially these old bench sit vans. But i must put it on 4 my safety

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