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Cape Town protest turns violent, cars stoned

2012-03-15 23:22

Cape Town - A service delivery protest in Cape town turned violent on Thursday when protesters stoned cars, and burned tyres, blockading a section of the N2.

"They are burning tyres and stoning cars. We've had one accident in which two gentlemen, about 50-years-old, were injured," said Yolanda Faro, deputy chief of the Cape Town metro police.

Faro said between 100 and 150 people are taking part in the protest on the N2 near the Cape Town International Airport.

She said the metro police have closed the N2 and are redirecting traffic.

"We appeal to the public not to use the N2."

Traffic has since been diverted.

Earlier, a witness told News24 that cars were driving on the wrong side of the freeway to avoid the chaos.

The witness, who spoke to bystanders, said they were unable to say what exactly  the protesters' grievances were.

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Comments
  • Mark - 2012-03-15 23:27

    How much were these ANC cadres paid to do this?

      Richard Cranna - 2012-03-15 23:31

      They weren't paid, but think they're getting free housing, or some sort of remuneration. Eish, and they wonder why they don't get ahead in life.

      Mark - 2012-03-15 23:46

      I guess these stone-throwers got bored in Gauteng.

      Sean - 2012-03-16 00:45

      Obviously all of them ! Just use live ammo , problem solved !

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 06:08

      Most people who comment on News24 seem to be angry. I suggest we all listen to house music and smoke weed before commenting on news24. Maybe then we'll be able to come up with solutions to socio-economic challenges in our country.

      Simnikiwe - 2012-03-16 07:20

      My point is, when we are sober minded we don't come up with any thing constructive. All we do is spew hate and have a go at each other. I've never seen an angry stoned person, all stoners are happy. We'll spew "happiness" when we're high.

      Andres - 2012-03-16 07:29

      Something is afoot. Was announced by nationally, that the W.Cape is no.1 for service delivery countrywide. These marches are sinister. Again, no organiser and no clear demands are stipulated. Same thing with the ad hoc march in Villersdorp and the spontaneous group that turned violent on the N7 near Langa. Small groups exercising extreme violence, with NO warning, NO clear demands and NO identified march organiser or spokesperson. I really believe these are politically motivated destabilisation marches... if they were true "service delivery" marches, demands would be clear.

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-16 07:31

      sinikiwe i believe nthat is how the leaders of this country comes up with solutions... no wonder we are turning into zim. ps house music is rubish its 3-4 tracks put on loop with 2-3 key changes, rather listen to music that can stimulate your mind like clasical music or metal and drink cofee instead of smoking weed that might just wake you up.

      roberta.keeling - 2012-03-16 07:39

      The ANC is trying to prove that the W. Cape is ungovernable under the DA. They promise all sorts of things if they get back in power, and encourage this lawlessness. Talk to the right people and you will be surprised what they have to say!

      skootzie - 2012-03-16 07:39

      "My point is, when we are sober minded we don't come up with any thing constructive." - So you want us to come up with something constructive while stoned? ... errrrrmmm ...

      Morne - 2012-03-16 07:43

      Simnikiwe, LOL. If we all smoke weed, then nobody would comment on news 24 because we`d all be busy eating due to the "Munchies." And even if we made it to our keyboards, it would take us three days to write anything because we`d forget what we wanted to say halfway through.

      Marion - 2012-03-16 08:04

      @Andres - my first reaction when I saw this was pretty much same as yours. I reckon these service delivery 'protests' are being managed by the same puppeteer.

  • Mark - 2012-03-15 23:35

    my car got pretty fuctup when i hit the burning tyres and rocks and stuff. so who do i claim from?

      Mark - 2012-03-15 23:39

      The ANC, I reckon.

      charmaine.rowlands - 2012-03-15 23:59

      sorry Mark :( I think (not sure) that you can claim from the SANRAL,(SA National Roads Agency Limited). It's certainly worth looking into. I'm sure they'll redirect you if this isn't correct. Glad you're okay, take care out there

      crystal.hebrard - 2012-03-16 00:45

      Most, if not all insurance policies excludes damage caused through political violence, but South Africa allocates a percentage of the money from gasoline into the Road Accidents Fund, which goes towards compensating third parties in accidents. I would assume that you can claim compensation from the RAF.

      bounca363 - 2012-03-16 01:05

      Road Accident Fund

      Haveyoursay - 2012-03-16 05:55

      Check your insurance. Most of them don't pay out for riots.

      Eric Schollar - 2012-03-16 06:54

      Why bother? it will just get trashed again as Cape Town is made ungovernable

      malcolm.dale - 2012-03-16 07:32

      Mark - Check with your broker/insurance as most insurers have SASRIA which should cover you. Glad you got out of there OK.

      Jack - 2012-03-16 09:46

      My son was driving a company vehicle with his workers when he got caught up in it. He drove at a rioter attempting to set fire to a car in front of him, then he drove at the rioters scattering them and scattered the burning debris. He said I wasn't going to sit there and let the bastards drag me and my work mates out of the vehicle and necklace us.

      celeste.rsa - 2012-03-16 12:41

      Loss or damage as a result of rioting/public disorder is a standard exclusion on all SA policies, but if you've got a broker handling your insurance, they should have been wise enough to include SASRIA cover (riot insurance) in your policy for events such as these. If your broker hasn't included it - nail the sucker because it costs next to nothing - R2 a month for a private-type vehicle.

  • Kidwell Prime Mokadi - 2012-03-15 23:44

    This people should arrested...

      Ben - 2012-03-16 03:53

      Yes and the instigators banned from the Western Cape together with all the people being brought in, in their thousands for some sinister, unknown reason.

      Art - 2012-03-16 09:32

      Only reason they PROTESTING, is that an RDP house, free water and electricity is NOT ENOUGH!!!! They want Cape Town's Parks Dept to MOW THEIR LAWNS TOO!!!!

  • Bob - 2012-03-15 23:45

    ANC Dirty tactics.

      Sharon - 2012-03-16 07:37

      This could escalate as the DA gains ground. Look how bad it is in Zim with Zanu-PF members attacking MDC supporters.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-15 23:48

    Looks like it wasn't only the cars that were stoned.

      skootzie - 2012-03-16 07:43

      Hurrah for psychotropic-induced thought!

  • Mantsho - 2012-03-15 23:49

    When Western countries look down on us Africans, this is one of the reason, our behavior is not goot at all.this kind of behavior is becoming common and the goverment needs to come up with the solution as soon as possible, this people just wanted to commit crime by destroying property and looting,they think of themselfves as the best country in Africa, l find it hard to believe.

      Winston - 2012-03-15 23:57

      Mantsho, they think they are the best country for crime committed in africa.

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-03-16 02:32

      If the cards where turned and I was in their shoes (if they even have any), I'd probably do the same.

      john.duplessis2 - 2012-03-16 02:42

      Yes Mantsho you are one of the sighted Africans and 100% right - far to little are like you,you can SEE what the problem behaviour is. Some people will look for the problem elsewhere and blame someone/something else, like miss Barnes below...Don't take collective blame my friend, these are simply criminal elements that should be dealt with by the local police. Shoot the Fauxers!

      sophia.barnes3 - 2012-03-16 02:56

      Western countries generally do not look down on citizens protesting (Even violently - Nato supported the descent in Libya/Egypt). Governments need to take responsibility for their (in)action. No country in this time of democracy can be peaceful if 30% are driving Mercs while 40% live in abject poverty.

      Garth - 2012-03-16 06:43

      Salie Low-wit - you are an ignorant, bleeding-heart liberal with misguided principles based on zero experience and little knowledge. This was/is an anc exercise in destabilisation leading up to the elections and if you keep your eyes open, you will see a sharp increase in this time of `service delivery protest'. The useless, worthless anc has not evolved post 94 and still believes in struggle tactics.

      Art - 2012-03-16 09:34

      Sophia... what about the BMW drivers? Please lets not leave the BMW drivers out of this... they too will atart a PROTEST!!!!

      celeste.rsa - 2012-03-16 12:45

      Sophia, take a good look at who is driving those Mercs (and BMWs) and then come back and comment!

  • danny.mozzy.sugarlump.pinkie - 2012-03-16 01:07

    If you are looking to claim for damage to your property (Vehicle) go via your insurance company and get onto SASRIA, you all have cover even if you only purchase a TP policy.

      celeste.rsa - 2012-03-16 12:48

      SASRIA insurance is optional, so it's not correct saying that "you all have cover". Some people actually opt out of having it......not a good idea at all in SA.

  • Derek - 2012-03-16 01:41

    cANCer Doing what they are good at! making places ungovernable.

  • sophia.barnes3 - 2012-03-16 02:12

    Is it so improbable to believe that there are people living in unserviced shacks in CT who are unhappy enough to protest? Maybe not the ANC, but just people who have nothing but to look forward to a wet, freezing winter living in overcrowded shacks? One only has to look out of a plane when landing at the fabulous international airport to wonder. Just asking.

      john.duplessis2 - 2012-03-16 02:32

      The answer Sophia, lies in the reason why they are in CT in the first place...nobody forced them to come here from their mud huts in EC and erect their shacks on land belonging to others.You are putting pure LWB reasoning on here and we know what that leads to....

      Ben - 2012-03-16 04:58

      You go to any place in the world without arranging or a place to stay and without a job. Put up a shack in any open space and demand service delivery. Come back on this forum and answer your own question.

      Kevin - 2012-03-16 04:59

      The anc moved everyone to the city to secure the vote in 1994. Now we sit with a problem that requires billions. The anc has created the culture that the government will supply . Blame them

      Eric Schollar - 2012-03-16 06:47

      And their disgusting behaviour gets them what? Stupid comment. They could just as well be unemployed in a beautiful traditional African village in the lovely warm dry Transkei but they were redeployed to be unemployed in a shack in cold wet Cape Town. Whose fault is that?

      Shake - 2012-03-16 06:51

      most of the people living in that shacks are not from cape town , everyone comes to cape town for work , there is not enough for all here . go back where you came from

      dhuysamen1 - 2012-03-16 06:54

      Dear blinkered, obviously tree-hugging, twit. These "poor people" were and still are being bussed into Cape Town by the ANC to embarrass the DA. The same tactic was used against the previous government by the present bunch of self-enriching idiots calling themeselves a "guvvement" Who drives the Mercs and BMW's ? Certainly not the whites as they have been denied jobs by the ANC since 1994.

      J-Man - 2012-03-16 07:43

      Protest? Sure. Stone cars, Burn tires, destroy other's property and injuring people? That is not protesting. That is hooliganism. These people just can't keep it civilized..

      Giftige_M i s f i t - 2012-03-16 08:52

      Sophia,you are a nice little troll...

  • Tanie - 2012-03-16 02:24

    How!Liniwe aka Zille, I thought you said things were hunky dori.Kwenze njani?

      Eric Schollar - 2012-03-16 06:36

      Idiot!

      Garth - 2012-03-16 06:45

      They were, until the useless ignorants that support the useless, worthless anc decided to show their criminal colours again.

      OiVey - 2012-03-16 08:11

      You are just as thick as the bricks your fellow ANC morons used in the "protest".Come on, even Stevie Wonder can see that this is a foul ANC tactic. I wont be surprised if the DA gains even more followers because of this blatant attack from the ANC. Carry on digging your own hole ANC - soon you will be buried in it along with all the corruption; destruction and harm you have brought this country.

      Felix - 2012-03-16 08:19

      Trololololol

  • Martin-Cullen - 2012-03-16 03:14

    If this sort of thing is not contained and acted upon immediately to secure the safety of ALL South Africans,the future of South Africa is bleak. Maybe you guys need to ask the thugs if they'd prefer a leader like Joseph Kony 2012. Why don't you commentors put your time into collective efforts to bring about a class action suit against government for failing to protect your citizen's rights.You can bring about awareness, positive change by collective action instead of posting some of these darn stupid comments. :-)

      sophia.barnes3 - 2012-03-16 03:33

      You've just contributed to the less than intelligent responses on this forum. South Africa is more complicated than an American "class action suit". In fact, South Africa has a wonderful constitution with a remarkable Constitutional Court. Also, this forum is filled with "sh...t" disturbers and not really a reflection of South African sensibility. North America has ghettos where there are many Joseph Kony's. Only there, they are known as "crack dealers" - subjucating the Africa American population to an apparent everlasting cycle of poverty. That's my thought.

      Ben - 2012-03-16 05:11

      Martin you are asking too much. What you want is collective thinking. What you get is collective stupidity. I can only assume that some of these people do not live in S.A.

      abe.taylor125 - 2012-03-16 08:00

      "stupid comments"...perception is projection...just a kind reminder

  • Mart - 2012-03-16 04:14

    Violent protests are signs of anarchy and they must be crushed. The protesters know this and choose to do it anyway....pull out the big sticks and restore order. To the protesters I say ' this football team only has eleven shirts and therefore only romm for 11 players ......do the math you tools'.

      sophia.barnes3 - 2012-03-16 04:20

      You sound like a Nat. Look where that got us. Government should be by the people, for the people. Lay the blame where it belongs. Why is there no plan in place for all the people living in informal settlements?

      Ben - 2012-03-16 05:06

      Government should be by the people for the people. Sounds good, but is it in S.A.? Is our government not more into corruption, bad service delivery, introducing an information secrecy bill etc. The whole world should be good, but is not. Why dont you tell us why not?

      werner.smidt - 2012-03-16 06:53

      @sophia Because people see no value in things that are free. If they get bored, they'll demand bigger homes and burn down theirs.

      Garth - 2012-03-16 06:55

      sophia: `Lay the blame where it belongs'. Why don't you get out there and relate that to your poor, starving and homeless peoples protesting service delivery. Wake up! This is not about any of that, this is useless anc led disruption.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-03-16 05:45

    smoke and mirrors people as soon as there is a protest somewhere other than Cape town it make them look bad so we will phone bre vusi to gather some useless idiots buy them some zamalec and you got a protest .i bet if one is caught and asked why they doing it they will not have an answer.

      Garth - 2012-03-16 06:56

      On the button.

  • braamc - 2012-03-16 06:22

    Shoot them

  • Eric Schollar - 2012-03-16 06:34

    Disgusting behaviour!

      Buhlebezwe - 2012-03-16 06:55

      Is it not disgusting behaviour to protest the plight of animals instead of protesting the plight of human beings? The question is that one does not feel when he is not exposed to poverty. We grew up in poverty and we feel porvety. It is a daily matter where we come from. We do not see the poverty of rhinos and pandas because we don not live with rhinos and pandas. We dont have the funds to visit museums and fly overseas to see the endangered panda. The finance we have is to feed our impoverished families and try to educate our children. When we are hungry we behave in an inhuman manner. It is because some people are rich that they belittle the aspirations of poor people. We dont even have the cars that were disturbed by the protest because we walk to work and our children walk to work. Let us be conscious of the country we live in, not behave like the British in South Africa. This is Africa and it shall never be Britain

      Garth - 2012-03-16 07:18

      @Buhle - over population is the root cause of all this, that and dysfunctional home lives. Poverty is bred by over population. There is a simple solution to having a better life and increasing one's quality of life. STOP BREEDING BEYOND YOUR ECONOMICAL CAPABILITIES!

      Felix - 2012-03-16 08:27

      Hey mr Sisonke, please stop using we in your tirade. By commenting on a forum such as this you are already proving you have access to the internet and are not poor. Stop pulling a Julius.

  • dooskop - 2012-03-16 06:49

    Comments!!!!! Talk is CHEAP>>>>>> Action speaks LOUDER than words...But lets face it majority of the Ignorant are not taught Right fromwrong...and as always commented WEED is a subject that is taken far too lightley!!!!

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-03-16 06:57

    wow...Wat happened to the \perfect\ Cape Town...

      Garth - 2012-03-16 07:13

      It got hit with a dose of anc - but don't worry, it is curable.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 07:29

      The ANCYL said they would make CT ungovernable, so what do you think happened?

      Abel - 2012-03-16 07:57

      the fancy western cape with no teeth hmm.

  • Riaan Werner Van Wyk - 2012-03-16 07:10

    I will take a bet that the anc is somehow behind this. Probably gave them a plackard, t-shirt and promised them a free meal and said off you go, now burn and break stuff

  • abe.taylor125 - 2012-03-16 07:10

    everyone seems to see the protesters as "these people"...they are your fellow South Africans..."these people" need help, not condemnation...you don't appear to 'know' "these people", particularly their challenges...i can assure you that when you do and you see the sinister side of politics and economics (all of it ANC, DA, FF+, IFP - big business, small business) you will most likely end up agreeing with "these people" and maybe even express your anger in more aggresive ways...so, please do yourselves a favor and get to know "these people" and their circumstances..then we can talk again...otherwise, follow Simnikiwe's advise...and have peaceful day...:-)

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 08:00

      It is a complex situation, but there are two sides to it. On the one side you have a government with an obligation to do their job to the best of their ability within resource constraints, and on the other people need to take responsibility for their choices and actions. Right now we seem to have a situation where a lot of people just expect government to look after them. If we look at cause and effect, it starts to paint a different picture. Take for example EC, where we have massive poverty and unemployment. Why? Well, we also hear about the massive corruption, lack of service delivery etc, in a province with some of the most fertile land in the country, and massive opportunities. Education, school feeding schemes and bussing schemes all collapsed due to ANC incompetence and corruption R60 BILLION "missing" from SASSA funds in just one year. Councils on the brink of collapse, but town managers earning multi million rand salaries. What do people do? Vote for the same party year in and year out, and then migrate to the one working province, because their failed. And now doubt vote for the same failing party again in their adopted province. A vote gives a person the authority to choose a political party, but most do NOT take responsibility for their voting choices. THAT is the failure of democracy in SA. Until voting habits change, it will not improve.

  • leslie.rabie - 2012-03-16 07:20

    Hello Joburg... Ummm Sorry I mean Cape Town

      Giftige_M i s f i t - 2012-03-16 08:55

      LoL'z

  • pws69 - 2012-03-16 07:29

    "The witness, who spoke to bystanders, said they were unable to say what exactly the protesters' grievances were." Huh???

  • malcolm - 2012-03-16 07:30

    Once again people rioting because they are not happy with the very same failing, lying government they voted for time and time again. Will they ever learn. If you don't get service delivery, try and change it the democratic way. Put your cross in a different block.

  • Nyandeni Simphiwe - 2012-03-16 07:34

    Strikes have become our national sport I tell you...whats worse is we can't even do them properly...its easy to see that these people are being influenced by peer pressure...doomed is my country, adults falling under peer pressure.

  • malcolm - 2012-03-16 07:41

    ABE.TAYLOR125. I have lived in Africa all my life. I know, "these people", very well. They will vote for the ANC based on racial & emotional sentiments. These people are the same as those ANC people who keep stealing from them.They won't change the way they are, or the way they vote for their own good.

  • sariena.robbertse - 2012-03-16 07:47

    Phumi,go and drown yourself in a filledup toilet.That's the only place your face will relax.Sorry but you have no brain that can relax.Your stupid name saya it all.

  • martha.stclair - 2012-03-16 07:53

    Wow, a whole 150 people... The DA must be quaking in their boots!

  • odupreez - 2012-03-16 07:53

    Typical ANC tactics, disrupt antthing that works and break it, then follows corruption.

  • Clive - 2012-03-16 08:02

    And we haven't even reached the SAMWU street-trashing season yet.

  • Abel - 2012-03-16 08:06

    wow Protest in Europe i can imagine white ppl protesting its like a Darkie in streets of germany scared to be robbed by whites goes like "eish white ppl at it again" here in SA they lyk "eish blacks at it again"

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:17

    Face it DA doesn't work in khayelitsha, langa, gugulethu, capeflats, N2 and mitchells plain etc just like in Gauteng where ghettos are last priority in ANC...does it?

      Clive - 2012-03-16 10:04

      Yes, the poor people are everywhere, and they will stay poor under an ANC national government. And what about the hundreds of protests in ANC-run municipalities countrywide, or do you close your eyes (and your mind) when these are shown on TV?

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-16 20:32

      You will always have poverty when the people keep having children...3,4,5,...and the mothers are left to bring up these children because the "so called fathers bugger off".The"so called more fortunate" seem that way because they choose to have fewer children that they can afford to feed and educate, and most of the time both parents stay together as a family and contribute to the up bringing of those children...maybe the day poor people begin to plan their lives intelligently ..is the time things will begin to improve for them.Learn this lesson from "the more fortunate people"...don't blame Gov or whites for your poverty...WHY NOT TAKE A LOOK AT WHERE YOU ARE GOING WRONG.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-16 08:32

    Malcolm, you are so right...the ANC freed them so they seem to stay forever ANC members...CRAZY..I WONDER HOW MUCH WORSE THE SERVICE DELIVERY AND POVERTY NEEDS TO GET BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY SEE..THE ANC AFTER 19 YEARS HAVE NOT IMPROVED THE LIVES OF MOST..AND HAS ACTUALLY GOT WORSE.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-16 08:36

      so are the poor people in cape town...tell me anything new...then i'll believe.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-03-16 20:49

      Make fewer babies that they can afford...just this decision will make a huge difference to their lives...The-AZANIAN..YOU WANTED to be given a reason to believe that something could change the plight of the poor..THERE you have it....HAVE 1 OR 2 CHILDREN and create a family life (father/mother).Half the problem solved.

  • snylo - 2012-03-16 08:40

    Have those sheep never stopped to think if they actually pay for services, the delivery may be better? Then again you can't blame them, they have just learn't all their actions by watching and following their parents and leaders, with their 'you owe us' mentality.

  • Giftige_M i s f i t - 2012-03-16 08:57

    the Western Cape is a DA political Fortress !!!! Stick & stones will NOT break our bones...Please try again...

  • Nigel - 2012-03-16 09:13

    ANCYL thugs!!!

  • Alison Ling - 2012-03-16 09:19

    Sisonke, what planet did you fall from? Where the heck did the matter of UK come into this????

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-16 09:31

    Quite silly to note how the pro-DA lot on here choose to bury their heads in the sand. DA-led Cape Town is by far the best performing metropole in the country, and plenty of stats back this up. However it's naive to believe that the city doesn't have problems. A poor person is a poor person. Whether they live in corruption riddled ANC-led cesspits like Polokwane, or well-performing DA-led cities like Cape Town, they still have the right to air their grievances.

      pws69 - 2012-03-16 09:35

      Accurate comment. But related to this article are two thing that make people question this. 1. It seems no one knows WHY they were doing this 2. The ANC and ANCYL are on record saying they will make the WC ungovernable. So, does 2+2=4 here?

      Grant - 2012-03-16 09:48

      Agreed PWS69. I'll add that the ANC could only muster between 100 - 150 'protesters'. I could muster a better fart than that.

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-16 09:58

      Point taken. However I must note that even when people Do KNOW what the protest is about, commentators on here still reach the same conclusion. I would agree 100% with you if you were to say the ANC are bandwagoners. Often poor people will initiate a protest themselves, and at the end of the day the ANC will try and score cheap political points from the protest. For example the Hangberg anti-eviction protests last year, as well as this year's Rondebosch sit-ins. Hopefully you can tell from the tone of my post that I'm in no way here to try and defend the failing ANC. I'm trying to change the perspective many Capetonian DA commentators seem to have regarding poor people in the city. You can't wish these people away, they are there and their lives need to be improved. Just continue providing good services to the community and these protests WILL go away.

      elspeth.hassall - 2012-03-16 10:59

      It is OK to protest... a democratic right... BUT... why must there always be VIOLENCE??

  • Justin - 2012-03-19 08:26

    One of the victims whose car was also stoned there and subsequently crashed his car, died over the weekend. I guess those responsible will never be brought to book. :'(

  • Justin - 2012-03-19 08:33

    Spare a thought for one of the victims of the stoning. He was involved in an accident there after his vehicle was also hit there. Sadly he subsequently died over the weekend. (Brain dead) I guess chances of bringing the perpetators is slim to none. Why everyone should suffer when some have issues is beyond me! :'(

  • Mark - 2012-03-19 08:46

    The ANC bussed them in to get the votes..so bus them back to the ANC strongholds..let's see how long it takes before they start their crap there...wake up SA we are under siege by a dictatorship government..

  • comurray - 2012-03-19 09:26

    Why do these so called protesters have to resort to violence when grieving over non service delivery, stoning cars belonging to private individuals will achieve absolutely nothing. Burning down government buildings just means that the citizens of that particular area will have to travel a lot further afield to pay or to further complain at a later stage.

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