Cape Town to review booze law

2011-01-12 14:20

Cape Town - The City of Cape Town has commissioned a legal review of its new liquor by-law before any amendments are gazetted.

"Except for a few minor technical adjustments, we don't foresee any major changes to the by-law," the city's speaker Dirk Smit said on Wednesday.

"Cape Town has the highest formal incidence of alcohol and drug abuse of any city in South Africa and the new by-law constitutes part of the City's strategy to address the scourge of alcohol abuse.

The city said international research had shown that the reduction of alcohol trading hours has had a positive impact on alcohol abuse.

Cutting back on trading hours

"A study in Diadema near Sao Paolo in Brazil, found that a new law mandating on-premise consumption outlets to close at 23:00 had the effect of reducing murders by 106 per year, or 30 per 100 000 population.

"Prior to the new law, most bars traded 24 hours a day.

"Studies in Australia and in South Africa have also shown positive effects resulting from cutting back on hours of alcohol sales.

"In Tennant Creek in the Australian outback, an aboriginal community group successfully mounted a campaign to close off-premise consumption outlets on the days pay-cheques arrived and to limit bars on Thursdays and Fridays to opening only after 12:00."

The city said off-premise consumption sales were limited to between 12:00 and 21:00 on other days.

Drop in crime figure

Alcohol-related admissions dropped by 34% and admissions to a women's shelter dropped by almost half.

In Siyahlala, an informal settlement of around 1 300 dwellings in Nyanga, which had the highest murder rate in South Africa in 2006/7, a broad-based community initiative was implemented between May 2006 and June 2007.

Over this period, crime figures plummeted from between five and eight murders a month to zero, and between 30 and 38 assault cases a month to between ten and 17. One of the interventions involved getting shebeens to close by 21:00.

"We want to make absolutely sure that every aspect of the by-law passes legal muster before it is formally gazetted," said Smit.

  • modefan - 2011-01-12 14:28

    I'll stop drinking if everyone stops smoking

      Spoofed - 2011-01-12 14:37

      I wish they could make a vaccine for smoking like they want to do for alcoholism...

      Chanel - 2011-01-12 15:55

      well put modefan

      blaisin - 2011-01-12 18:32

      I'll totally stop drinking & smoking when fat people stop eating fast food. Not a drop or drag for four days now :) It's gonna be a good 2011

      Warslat - 2011-01-12 21:47

      Whether or not legislating alcohol is a good or bad thing may be debatable, frankly I think it'll be good but sets a dangerous precedent. Regardless, if everyone is only prepeared to make improvements in their own lives on condition everyone else makes sacrifices of their own obviously nothing will ever happen. This is the mentality of selfish juvanile morons.

  • Worldwise - 2011-01-12 14:34

    And in Germany where booze is available 24 hours a day, even from cafes, there are very few murders and very little crime at all. Just because closing liqour outlets in a Brazilian Favela, an Australian Aborigine settlement and a South African squatter camp (Note the common denominator?) reduced crime there doesn't mean crime will be reduced in upmarket areas or middle class suburbs of Cape Town. So why punish communities who can drink sensibly with few incidents just because there are communities that are prone to liquor induced violence prompted by a weekly pay check? Political correctness gone mad again where all must be tarred with the same brush to avoid offending the culprits whose behaviour is the cause of the new rules. Collective punishment because a few can't behave.

      alexander.lombard - 2011-01-12 14:50

      Thats right the word revolves around you.

      izaanb - 2011-01-12 14:51

      amen brother, amen.

      Lloyd6312 - 2011-01-12 14:53

      Your argument is valid BUT where do you draw the line? At the end of the day it's discrimination to let wealthy people drink to whatever time and the poor only till a certain time.

      Michael - 2011-01-12 15:12

      To the young(ish) people out there who drink responsibly and get taxis home this new law is taking away a bit of our freedom. Also losing 2 hours of drinking revenues is going to hurt all the night clubs and bars and we have 1000's of people employed through these establishments. I don't know if anyone has noticed but we have plenty of tourists all year round. How is this going to change the way CT is perceived by our much loved tourists. What choice do we really have but to wait and see if the stats show this to be a a flop or a success.

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 15:18

      In Germany men and woman also share bathrooms and sit naked next to each other in saunas. They are generally happier and less sexually oppressed, and therefor do not need to act their true colours when drunk. They also drink more coffee than beer. They have also done a study showing that the majority of young criminals in Germany comes out of homes with alcohol abuse and they think drinking and driving is appalling and will end friendships because of it, so as soon as you create that kind of culture here in SA then you can go drinking at 4 in the morning again

      Irie Fairie - 2011-01-12 15:24

      The point of it is to reduce the drunken drivers on the road... I ahve seen far to many on the street of Cape Town.

      Chanel - 2011-01-12 15:59

      Worldwise - you are not that wise! Common denominator being exactly??? 3rd world? or what? Alcohol has negative effects across the world if consumed over the legal limit. USA has a high rate of murder in white suburbs as per the ghetto. never mind the drugs consumed with the alcohol. lets drink and be merry

      Craig - 2011-01-12 18:21

      Actually in Germany (Baden-Wuertenburg) they have recently implemented similar legislation where alchohol may not be purchase after 23:00.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 19:07

      @Craig - how is this legislation similar to that which the DA is proposing? The Baden-Württemberg ban is on the purchase of booze at petrol stations, kiosks or supermarkets from 10pm to 5am. It is not related to the issue at hand, and all that your point does is illustrate how draconian it is to attempt to limit bottle stores to sell alcohol from 9am to 5pm.

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 19:29

      @cammara - how can you not see similarity between reducing alcohol sales hours and reducing alcohol sales hours? It is kinda obvious, must be the repeating vowels. And the term draconian refers to the punishment not the law, so your comparison is not related to the issue at all

      Worldwise - 2011-01-12 20:08

      @Alexander.lombard. Yes, my world DOES revolve directly around me. If your world can't control its drinking habits, please don't try to legislate mine. @Chanel. Correct, the common denominator is third world, no matter what the colour is as demonstrated by Brazils favelas. To those advocating the reduction of alcohol sales hours, it won't stop people buying booze and drinking. Prohibition in the USA in the 1920's is a case in point. It also made the Mafia powerful, which is what will happen here. In the 1980's when the boozers were shut after hours and on Sundays, people used to buy from the smokkie, who had gang contacts.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 20:10

      @cervezab please stop trying so hard to justify this poorly thought-out legislation. I was referring to liquor outlet sales. The DA's hours are far more restrictive than in Germany. So I'm not sure what the example was used for. These bylaws are indeed draconian. "When something is referred to as draconian, it is said to be exceedingly harsh or very severe". Educate yourself.

      Craig - 2011-01-12 20:25

      @cammaratagerardo - the example was used because Worldwise said "And in Germany where booze is available 24 hours a day, even from cafes, there are very few murders and very little crime at all." which, as i have pointed out and you have confirmed, is not true. I don't believe i am justifying the legislation, i really don't care about it very much, just pointing out an error. @cervezab, yip, i agree - restricted sales times vs restricted sales time.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 20:38

      @craig Baden-Württemberg is only one of 16 German states. So you are being quite pedantic.

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 22:56

      @cammara - "When something is referred to as draconian, it is said to be exceedingly harsh or very severe" -If you see the similarity between less drinking hours and unuasally severe and cruel punishment, then you sound like you have a bit of an addiction problem going on. "Baden-Württemberg is only one of 16 German states. So you are being quite pedantic." - yet you go on about a only one city in only one of 9 South African provinces? Your inability to see the obvious is astounding, so rather go educate yourself before making bad comparisons while trying to discredit other's

  • glenn.kohne - 2011-01-12 14:36

    all that cutting back on trading hours does is make people drink the same amount in shorter period so this doesn't work in the long run - look at England for eg , they extended their trading hours for this reason .

  • Apache - 2011-01-12 14:37

    People will still find ways to drink, not sure if this will help.

      alexander.lombard - 2011-01-12 14:57

      Yes sir they will. We are just limiting the efect they wil have on the majority who is not or the families they have at home.

  • glenn.kohne - 2011-01-12 14:39

    all that cutting back on trading hours does is make people drink the same amount in shorter period so this doesn't work in the long run - look at England for eg , they extended their trading hours for this reason .

      alexander.lombard - 2011-01-12 14:56

      Guy now read the law again and again and again... at some time you must realise that even with the new hours limit South-Africa would be more lenient than an increased trading hours in Britain. If you want to drink after 2AM go home. Cause I know you are not going to take a taxi and you wont be sober.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-12 20:15

      @Alexander, when I was young and drinking had to stop at midnight, we just bought plenty of booze before midnight and carried on drinking because we knew the cops would be out waiting for us. So we drank till 4 in the morning and then drove home much drunker than we would have been at 2 in the morning, when we would have gone home and only drunks were on the road. This will happen again as the cops have to sleep sometime. I am not proud of having done this but I was also an immortal youth once.

  • kevin.nortje - 2011-01-12 14:46

    I'll stop smoking when there are no more murderers, pedo's, corrupt officials, spouse abusers and terrorists and drunk drivers on the road. See where I'm going with this?

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-01-12 14:53

    This doesn't work, and has been shown around the world not to work. All it will do is increase binge drinking, which is a worse problem.

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 15:22

      the article shows many examples of it working around the world, yet your comment gives no examples but just generalizes, please where has it shown that decreasing drinking hours does not work?

      Worldwise - 2011-01-12 20:16

      @Cervezab. The UK.

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 22:36

      @Worldwise - what about the UK? please give proper info

  • Michael - 2011-01-12 14:58

    What an enormous waste of time! People don't drink because there is an allotted time to do so. Everyone has different personal reasons. Solving the problems caused by alcoholism will involve hours(years) of counselling and therapy not less hours of drinking. Come on Zille always been a big fan but WTF!

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 15:18

      Yeah. My hunch is this is Patricia de Lille's pet project. It reeks of incompetence and stupidity.

  • daaivark - 2011-01-12 15:04

    Wow they had to hunt around for their examples, didn't they. And what obscure examples they dug up too.

  • cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 15:05

    International research? Quoting a few anecdotal reports, more likely. It's hard to deny the link between violence and alcohol abuse, but the new bylaws are primarily going to impact the obedient middle class, rather than the source of the problem, which is our poorer communities. Few if any of them ever see the inside of a restaurant or city club.

      Michael - 2011-01-12 15:20

      Exactly I feel like a little bit of my freedom just disappeared. I thinks restaurants, clubs and bars are going to suffer for the 2 hour loss of revenues and we have 1000's of jobs through these industries. How many students work there way through their studies within the industry? Is this going to change the way tourists and there much loved foreign currency view the fairest of Capes? Solving 1 problem(maybe) only to creat many others...can't wait to see how this works out! We don't really have a choice!

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 15:38

      I'm not too miffed about the club trading hours. But gets my goat is the stupid hours they've proposed for liquor stores: 0900 to 1700. That's when I'm in the office, working. And if I receive an invite after lunch to go to a braai, how else will I be able to get some beers to take along unless I take an hour out of work? Very stupid and misdirected legislation. I expected more from the DA. This is a puritanical and draconian measure I would have expected from the verkrampte NP, but not from a party I thought was fairly liberal. Time to rethink my alliance.

  • Allin - 2011-01-12 15:07

    One of the very few times the DA has got it totally arse about face. So all the pubs in Long Street will have to close earlier, but who is going to enforce this in the townships?

      watalife - 2011-01-12 15:22

      I say fuck the townships, let them ANC supporters get drunk and moer each other broken that will mean less crime in town.

      daboss247365 - 2011-01-12 15:51

      watalife, you comment is not necessary bra...

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-12 17:17

      Watalife - If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything bro!.

  • nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-01-12 15:10

    I smoke weed ... Who cares that you drunks can't drink all day?

      watalife - 2011-01-12 15:23


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      Homo-Sapien - 2011-01-12 15:47

      ya maaan!

  • Will99 - 2011-01-12 15:39

    Abuse in drinking is a choice, not forced by trading hours!

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 15:50

      @Will - the same can be said for abuse in drugs, so lets fight to legalise dagga, what is fair for 1 addictive substance should be fair for all, don't you agree?

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-12 17:21

      I agree Cerezab, I am an occasional weed smoker, I say legalise it!

  • Lestor - 2011-01-12 15:43

    You guys are being really childish about this. It will be your decision if you decide to drink the same amount in less time. All you will be proving by doing that is that you have no personal responsibility. Well done on showing why something needed to be done in the first place.

  • Homo-Sapien - 2011-01-12 15:46

    99 bottles of beer, sitting on the wall...

  • Ben - 2011-01-12 15:46

    Basically the whole of Cape Town now pays because of shebeens and the Fetal alcohol syndrome... Close shebeens at 9... problem solved.

  • Ben - 2011-01-12 15:49

    Basically the whole of Cape Town now pays because of shebeens and the Fetal alcohol syndrome... Close shebeens at 9... problem solved.

  • Dylan - 2011-01-12 15:50

    Stop blocking my effing comments!

      cervezab - 2011-01-12 16:01

      your comments are not blocked, it just takes time to update the database, now stop repeating yourself

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 16:02

      Dude, they take a while to show. Chill. Have a few drinks. While you still can!

      Dylan - 2011-01-12 16:44

      ah, sorry news24, love you long time. It showed up but when i refreshed the page it disappeared.

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-12 17:25

      Clear your internet history, refresh the page and your comment will appear!

  • James - 2011-01-12 15:57

    I don't see this having a realistic effect. What's to stop people stacking up on booz prior to the shut-off time? Illegal alcohol traders will always be open, regardless of 'law'. This is Africa, our government is barely able to tackle the seemingly simplest of tasks facing this country. This is a law with good intentions, but its just not practical.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 16:34

      It will also lead to people buying booze in bigger quantities from the bottle store, because the ridiculous hours make it inconvenient to shop there. And what happens when alchies have lots of booze? They drink it all in one go. Well done, DA. I'm dubbing you the Draconian Alliance from now on.

  • tinkerbellzac - 2011-01-12 16:09

    More house parties!!

      Homo-Sapien - 2011-01-12 16:19


  • tinkerbellzac - 2011-01-12 16:20

    More house parties!

      Michael - 2011-01-12 16:36

      Need a DJ :)

  • Anarchy - 2011-01-12 16:40

    I'm not a drinker but it seems that maybe we should be looking at a different approach. Maybe a thought that is waaaay out there like I don't know...Visible policing with harsh sentences for offenders. We should not be taking away people's choices but encourage them to make a right choice, this would apply for most offences. Same goes for the traffic cops who claim to want to keep people on the roads safe but their contribution is hiding behind a bush with a camera.

      Jaques - 2011-01-12 17:22

      Hi Anarchy, you said it: "We should not be taking away people's choices but encourage them to make a right choice" We have a law, we need to implement it and have retribution for our actions. Then people will start to think twice about what they do, but without retribution everybody just does what they want.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-01-12 17:03

    I hope that the Cape Council have realised that things need to be gazetted before they are law. I believe a 2nd year law student had to point this out to them on New Year's Eve.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 17:31

      "We want to make absolutely sure that every aspect of the by-law passes legal muster before it is formally gazetted," said Smit. Clearly the DA did not gazette it properly before attempting to implement the new by-law. Now they're trying to save face for someone's massive blunder. Shame.

  • Kaleidoscope - 2011-01-12 17:23

    Guys, I have a solution. At 01h55 buy all the alcohol you need for the rest of the night and line them up on your table.

      cammaratagerardo - 2011-01-12 17:41

      That's not the only solution. At many beerfests, you buy vouchers at the till, and then fetch your drink from the pump as you require. So at 0130, you go buy ten 'spirits' vouchers, and ten 'beer' vouchers. At 0200 the establishment closes the till, and no longer sells booze, but you can drink until you run out of vouchers.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-01-12 18:31

    I think the whole booze law is pathetic. Those that abuse it will still get it, like drugs. No, let's punish everyone because a few can't handle their drink.

  • Suzanne - 2011-01-12 18:59

    So how come in the UK the laws were reverted? It was found that shortening the trading hours created binge drinking. Perhaps based on your article the new laws should be implemented in areas where crime/assault/abuse is rife

  • phillip.havenga - 2011-01-12 20:55

    Why must people consume alcohol in order to have a good time? This law should make no difference to your ability to enjoy your evening out. Unless you are an alcoholic.

  • Tim - 2011-01-13 07:29

    Thx CCC 4 your plans to put trading hrs of alcohol to a regulatory system.CT needs to fight crime caused by alcohol abuse.Now what about the problem of houses selling drugs.

  • maximax - 2011-01-13 08:17

    Who has watched Boardwalk Empire on Mnet? The more our country tries to withold liquor from people the more they will fight for the right to have it. Closing pubs/clubs earlier will increase the asking price for drinks as we will now have a shorter time frame in which to cover expenses. The only person that loses in this is the one thats drinking.

  • maximax - 2011-01-13 08:19

    Next year they will probarbly pass a law stating you need a licence to have liquor in your own house

  • Reynold - 2012-03-01 17:08

    Hi all my peeps. Cape Town is really starting to suck. I cannot go to the beach and braai and have a dop. I cannot go clubbing because i only stop working at 21:00 in the evening. Who goes clubbing this early any ways? I cannot get a dop to drink at home because the smuggle houses are closed. I cannot park with the wife and have a dop because of drinking and driving laws and because the gangster are on tik which makes them crazy. I feel like a old man drinking tea when i get home from a hard days work. Dis nou lekker sleg in die Kaap.

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