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Cape gang war 'about revenge'

2012-07-09 09:03

Cape Town - Terrified mourners at a funeral in Ottery, Cape Town, had to run for their lives when suspects suddenly started shooting at them.

Two people were injured in this latest incident of violence attributed to an escalation of gang warfare on the Cape Flats, reported The Times.

The Weekend Argus reported that a gangster told reporters that the escalation of violence on the Cape Flats was not about drugs and turf, but about revenge and grudges.

“A gang member was shot a long time ago and now the others are retaliating. This war between the Ghetto Kids and the Americans has been brewing for a while. Now any American is a target and vice versa.”

The source said some police officers were corrupt and helping gang members.

Western Cape Premier Helen Zille on Sunday supported a call from local communities for the army to help bring a stop to the violence, which has been terrorising communities.

Zille said the violence was beyond the capacity of the police force and said the army had to provide order, albeit on a temporary basis.

But according to the police ministry, there were no plans afoot to involve the SANDF in resolving the conflict.

Comments
  • Bond - 2012-07-09 09:21

    Atleast Zellie is taking action...to bring army.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-07-09 14:20

      Her idea of bringing in the army would be snuffed on the basis that it is HER idea unfortunately.

      karen.meyervantonder - 2012-07-10 08:12

      It's not the first time she requested this. She was turned down a few years ago too if I remember correctly but that is the ANC strategy...the same as in the Apartheid days, make the 'Cape' ungovernable, regardless of how many innocent lives are lost.

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-07-09 09:22

    I remember avoiding bumping into Pagad in Salt River in 1996 , little did I know that in less than an hour Staggie would meet his death at their hands

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-07-09 09:31

    There's 200,000 gang members so if they are so tough lets organize buses to some open land in the Karoo & they can just go for it!!

  • thutothegreat - 2012-07-09 09:35

    This is the real cape town, and It is good that Zille has taken the initiative to fight these crimes. Hopefully the rest of the ministry will play ball. Cape Town is not camps bay or Clifton, thats for people who visit us, Cape town is Lavender Hill, Michelle's plain, Elsies Revier, bonteheuwel, Athlon, Khayalitsha, Philippi etc.. Dont get fooled by those who try to sugar coat it, things are really bad here..

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-07-09 09:59

      People from the areas you mentioned are as much Cape citizens as suburbians and should not be ignored

      dorothea.dotty - 2012-07-09 10:02

      i agree with you. i love the way the affluent capetonians label their 'area' as the best place in the world etc etc. people living in their bubbles and selectively deciding what areas are included int their little fantasy.

  • NePhTron - 2012-07-09 09:42

    A government becomes defunct when it cannot co-exist with all parties to find a solvable solution. It is also evident when constituents start blaming provincial where the SAPS falls under national government. Not forgetting that the national system does not protect those who would like to make a difference within their own community to stop these types of evil. Last words - If you cannot comment with positive remarks which could make a difference to this beautiful country of ours then...

  • Ebraheem86 - 2012-07-09 09:53

    @ least when PAGAD was in exsistance gangs wer afrad. Cz of govmnt thy lockd most of the top guys an theraftr wat stopin these gangs killin ech othr, or killin society as they infiltrat communs wth drugs

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-09 10:32

      Ya Ebraheem86 but those Pagad idiots , many of them were gangsters ass well they were fighting for drug turf and that the gangsters were no longer buying their drugs but importing their own stock.So be careful what you say about Pagad who also killed innocent people you idiot

  • Matthew - 2012-07-09 09:54

    Common Zille,bring in the troops,show the cops how to do their jobs and kill these animals like they deserve

  • Ian - 2012-07-09 10:04

    I do believe Helen was referring to the SADF, not those toi toiying muppets that call themselves the sandf, what a joke

      chris.andrews.547389 - 2012-07-09 10:29

      Ian don't go there pls now you're being vindictive/insulting and plain rude. U are barking up the wrong tree fellow South African...if u feel u want to talk that talk then we'll have to walk the walk...

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-07-09 10:09

    Gang are probably the dumbest thing on earth. Flats, West Coast, East Coast. All of em , MORONS!!! Why be in a gang? To protect yourself and others....From what? Other gangs. A downward spiral of stupidity. These people are F-ed and they're F-ing others. There is no justification for what they stand for or do. They should kill themselves. Give some already struggling communities at least a chance... And something should be said about a government/ local government that allows gangs to be run by "bosses" sitting behind bars in proson. WTF?!? The guys have more power in prison than they ever had outside. That's where I'm with Zilla. Send the army in there and show these wannabees what war is about. Its not driving with your buddies and gunning down another moron from another gang walking with his girlfriend or whatever. Wipe em out. Give their community a chance. Let the kids play in the streets without fear of being shot by some moron that hold his gun sideways. Their stupidity is killing innocent people.

  • Jeanet - 2012-07-09 10:25

    If they could start controlling what goes on inside the Cape Town prison, then a whole lot of crime occuring on the outside would be reduced. the gangsters control the prison and the police not the other way around. going to prison should feel like hell. some of these thugs commit crimes just so that they could be arrested

  • Rebecca - 2012-07-09 10:29

    let them all shoot each other, one way of getting rid of the gangs, surely if they carry on at this rate they can't possiblely be breeding as fast, let them get rid of themselves, then no more gangs, sorry for those stuck in the cross fire but you should work with ther police a little bit more to put a cap on this!!

  • keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-09 10:34

    Bring in the Military and show those scumbag idiots what it is to fight a war .

  • pieterr3 - 2012-07-09 10:34

    just a thought, why do everyone expect the government to get rid of these gangs? it happens in the community, not parliament. the police can only do so much with the info they get. so if you want to blame someone, blame the community these gangs operate in. the people witnessing these events, knows who are doing it. speak up and save innocent lives. if nobody say anything, nothing can be done and more children will die in cross fires.

      Adil Smit - 2012-07-09 10:37

      Just last week a community member and neighbourhood watch woman was shot dead - so i fully understand why people are afraid to speak

  • busicor.nel - 2012-07-09 10:39

    What if find strange that a lot of ANC member’s comment that it is the DA that cant govern that creating the problem. I would assume that you know what we call SAPS is trained and supplied by government. The Intelligence Community being used to secure a second term. This is really wrong. The police that are managed by government is of no affect. The provincial metro has a gang squad that look into gangs but then it needs to go to the SAPS where it dies. This is so sad, but been like this for ages, ANC will rather see people die and further political points.

      Mzakes - 2012-07-09 11:06

      We understand that SAPS report to gov(ANC), that aside who is in charge of the provincial government in the WC? even SAPS has to comply with the provincial government

      busicor.nel - 2012-07-10 06:41

      @Mzakes- the police is a national police that has a headquarters in Pretoria where they have a politically appointed leader and Minster. Policy and employment is made from here. Training and manpower is determined here. The province has the power to train and deploy Metro, but all cases must go to the National police. Crime intelligence( also big politicks) is ran from Pretoria. This is why we are in trouble, nobody wants to accept responsibility and the people get cross at the wrong people

  • alaina.nel.12 - 2012-07-09 10:46

    Poloya,and you are a bad donkey on the field.

  • alaina.nel.12 - 2012-07-09 10:48

    Wake up please.The Anc is a bad moon on the rise.They are nearly there.Let us all stand together and stop them...

  • jerolan.gengiah - 2012-07-09 10:52

    Hellen Zilla is one fugly creature.

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 13:12

      No need for that.

  • Saleé - 2012-07-09 10:56

    It's not acceptable that calls to bring in the army should be made so lightly in a constitutional democracy. The army should not be used against its own people willy-nilly. It's gangsters today and rebels tomorrow. Nowhere in the world is the army used to deal with gang vioence. Places like LA, California have gone through worse periods of gang violence. The army was never called in. What would the rules of engagement be? The army knows nothing about policing civilians. The Western Cape government must use its imagination and get on with the job of sorting this mess out. No excuses. No running to other provinces to march about drugs. I do not want the army running MY streets. Not now. Not ever.

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 11:13

      The reasons are contained in my comment. I am neither going to repeat them nor am I gonna lose sleep over the fact that the truth hurts you.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-09 11:26

      What truth?

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 11:31

      As I said, I will not repeat myself.

      manu.dibango.96 - 2012-07-09 13:22

      salee I agree with you 100%. People have to think about the end game here. For better or worse these gangsters are also SAns and if soldiers are send are sent after them then effectively there is a state of civil war and the suburbs become the battlefields. The real problem here is the dehumanising nature of some of these suburbs. Any person who has visited these suburbs will not fail to appreciate this. These places breed a culture of desperation that forces some to grasp for anything that brings a sense of security. It's this culture that needs to be broken down. Sending in the army will just reinforce this culture of desperation. People need to ask themselves why these things aren't happening in the affluent suburbs.

      magdaleen.smuts - 2012-07-09 14:40

      I agree with you. Since it seems that you are living there with first hand experience do you have some ideas on how to gurb this problem. Would it be possible to get a group of people together who can advice the Western Cape rulers?

  • Saleé - 2012-07-09 11:20

    These people have no clue what "state of emergency" means. In a state of emergency, constitutional rights are suspended. A step closer to using the army as a weapon against our people. No, Zille must use her brain. The one thing I like about our country is that the army stays away from us. Keep it that way. This is not Mali.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-09 11:25

      There is no mention of a state of emergency... again, you creating drama where there is none.. Calm down.

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 11:32

      There is. Read up on the law so that you can understand what legal avenues are used to "bring the army" in. I am not going to educate you.

  • piet.boerie - 2012-07-09 11:41

    These okes are right, you want our vote, show us the DA solution Helen. Take some leadership action and create a plan, make us believe you are not just a "white party" madam! We are looking for alternatives to the current outdate regime and one thing we would like to see is leadership and solutions, cos as far as I know that’s just the basics required for office. I challenge you to Govern!

  • byron.white.357 - 2012-07-09 11:43

    My partner is a doctor who is being enforced by the Health dept to work at Hanover Park Hospital, she says they hear the gunshots everyday, its total chaos there and I worry for her safety all day but the army is not the solution, it will only result in the phenomenon of escalation, whereby when one side ups the ante on arms the other follows suit and even more so. If the army come with machine guns, the gangs will respond with bombs, if the army brings grenades, the gangs will find ways to torch their base. No the answer does lie in exceptional urgent community action. The police need to be a constant presence, not armed forces gearing up for battle.

      karen.meyervantonder - 2012-07-10 08:13

      We need a narcotics unit----let's face it.

  • irenee.kaminuza - 2012-07-09 11:49

    The army is good enough to go fight in foreign countries but not good enough to help its own citizens. Twisted priorities!!

      Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-07-09 12:09

      Will sending in the army help or make things worse? And would they now what they doing or will more innocent victims get killed

  • tyroymike3 - 2012-07-09 12:14

    Gangs are run from prisons - that simple !! For a start , new prisons must be built where convicted gangsters are held in solitary confinement , without any communication with the outside world . This is inhumane to the prisoner but will half the violence immediately . Next , community watches must become paid police reservists and joined by the huge private security industry to police every street corner. This must be followed by a type of regimented education system - your child is not in school - you go to jail !!! At the same time , focussed job opportunities must be created in the affected areas . Strict adherence to legislation banning the membership of gangs , with hard labour building community projects and re - education being the consequences. Finally , a fund must be set up - all funded by the ordinary people of CT administered by Cape Town 's civilian leaders to uplift the poorest of the poor. This seems like Armageddon in Cape Town - we need people with b*lls to stand up and rescue the ordinary and vulnerable people !!

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 12:49

      No - that's not true. Street gangs and prison gangs are not the same thing. There are about three prison gangs and dozens of street gangs.

      Saleé - 2012-07-09 13:06

      But in the main, I agree with you.

  • sachasea - 2012-07-09 12:59

    This criminal is lying. Everyone knows that drugs are currently the lifeblood of criminals and gangs, because they are pushed into the the realm of organized crime i.e. an unregulated black market. Criminals make millions of rands from them being illegal! We need to stop this now. Deny them of these lucrative profits by legalizing, controlling and taxing drugs. The politicians know that this is the only long term solution, but they are scared to commit to this about turn because they think it might jeopardise their careers. Well we have seen it happening in Latin American countries and the majority of the public actually support them. We must follow suit to put an end to the bloodshed.

  • christian.erasmus - 2012-07-10 10:05

    Zuma won't do anything to help cape town, because he doesn't have enough comrades in cape town...

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