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Charges dropped against Marikana miners

2012-09-02 14:56

Pretoria - The murder charges brought against 270 Lonmin mineworkers will be withdrawn and the workers will be released on a warning, the National Prosecuting Authority announced on Sunday.

"The murder charge against the current 270 suspects... will be formally withdrawn provisionally in court on their next court appearance," said Advocate Nomgcobo Jiba, the national deputy director of public prosecutions.

"Other provisional charges will remain."

The workers were arrested for public violence on 16 August after 34 of their colleagues were gunned down by police at the Lonmin mine in Marikana. Another 78 were injured.

Last week, prosecutors announced that the arrested men would also face murder and attempted murder charges.

Unions, civil society, law experts and political parties roundly condemned the decision.

Justice Minister Jeff Radebe said he would seek clarity on the reasons for the move.

"The protesters are to be released conditionally on a warning and their case postponed pending the finalisation of investigations, including the investigations by the commission," said Jiba.

Jiba said the release of workers would be carried out in phases.

Those whose residential addresses were verified by police will be requisitioned to appear in court on Monday, and an application will be made for their release from custody.

Those whose residential details have not been verified will remain in custody until their next court appearance on 6 September, she added.


Comments
  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-02 14:59

    So the pressure worked. Did the law take it's course - does not appear so.

      madise.paul - 2012-09-02 15:04

      Different opinions cannot be interpreted as pressure!

      stewart.laidlaw.5 - 2012-09-02 15:10

      Trumped up charges anyway

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-02 15:15

      So no guilt by association then? It would be fair so that these charges were been made so as to remove the strikers from the mine altogether and give the situation time to cool down.And as I suspected no one will even be convicted for this as there are now no charges to be laid. The miners should've be charged in my humble opinion for the violence and disorder that they have been supporting in the first place if not for the 34 plus murders. The issue here does not rest with Lonmin,but with the trade union members who agitated the whole situation and therefore they themselves should be held jointly liable and accountable. The police were in an impossible situation and acted correctly.This situation is insane from the moment the violence broke out which ever way you want look at it. If the actions of the 270 were deemed unlawful and the person that stood next to you was also protesting and part of the 34 that subsequently got shot dead-then how can the survivor be held responsible for their murder? They both had the same common purpose.Those that died have escaped justice or injustice.

      farmfreund - 2012-09-02 15:58

      The government has failed the mine workers and the law, this will comeback to hunt them, either way , not looking afer the mineworkers nor the Law

      marius.koen.16 - 2012-09-02 16:21

      Malema 1 Zuma 0

      denis.delaport - 2012-09-02 16:25

      mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, lets review. Miners 10 point plan to get an increase 1. go on strike 2. Take guns to strike 3. pick a fight with police at strike 4. Kill police at strike 5. more people killed at strike. 6. Get arrested for breaking the law 7. Write a letter to ZUMA 8. Get released 9. Write another letter 10. Get 150% increase. WHAT A JOKE

      compos.mentis.58 - 2012-09-02 16:26

      @veldt ...varnish without a trace...????? Are you from Limpopo????

      foodfor.thought.73 - 2012-09-02 16:49

      and so the circus continue...

      theO rAcLe - 2012-09-02 17:14

      I told you guys that they will drop all charges, knew it from the start.

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-02 17:16

      datraveller The legal doctrine of common enterprise/purpose is universal - it has NOTHING to do with Apartheid. The liability is in the intent - as such a simple question arises (inter alia): why did the "miners" amass with weapons of deadly purpose..? In the face of prima facie evidence the matter was dropped due to public pressure is simply the Law of the Jungle (aka Majority Rule). I am not surprised that the Law Society of SA has officially sounded a warning SA is sliding towards a failed state. If the NPA's case lacked the required substance, it would not have survived legal scrutiny, hence the purpose of the COURT. I fear though (for civilized South Africans the most) - it is clear that the NPA's case did in fact have fundamental substance and the perpetrators' legal advisers knew this. Re leaving SA.., - You do not have a cooking clue who I am - some advice: be careful what you wish for... - Why don't you leave - I hear Harare is only the forth worst city in the world. A banana republic is evidently your residence of choice. - If the impetus to leave is governed by not liking what a country is - kindly tell me why all the people who did not like Apartheid, before 1994, simply leave SA..? (no red-herrings please - just answer the question). cont

      pieter.calitz - 2012-09-02 17:25

      @Claudia_Meads. I believe you are correct in your assessment of the situation. It should have been handled by the law and not with political pressure. This will create a new precedent. Expect much more of the same i.e. more strikes, more violence, police afraid to handle volatile situations, more destruction of property, killing of people etc. It has become easy, just threaten Zuma and all charges are dropped.

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-02 17:30

      - If nobody has told you yet – denial is not de river in Egypt. Not being able to defend your position with an argument of cognitive substance and simply chasing the inconvenient truth away like a stray dog, places you in EXACTLY the same camp (or is that dog-house) as the National party and its Bantustans notion. You are the one short of solutions. Simply doing the same thing and expecting different results is not a 'solution' - it is 'insanity', by definition - btw... On the topic - interesting how you are chasing me away (Apartheid style) while you are asking for solutions - look around you in SA and you will see what the such logic brings to the table - a place for which there is NO solution..?

      russellblack.cowan - 2012-09-02 20:50

      Hold on, the miners were charged with 34 counts of murder which clearly they did not commit. It is like June 16 1976 when the police arrested the protesters when clearly, the police killd them It was basically charging the miners with murdering themselves. So obviously the charges had to be dropped as it was unlawful charges. Let's stop jumping to conclusions until the commission of enquiry comes out. As far as I'm concerned, in the words of Cyril Ramaposa: "We are all to blame".

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-02 20:58

      Not surprised at all, how can one prove that all 270 of them commited murder? What a joke.

      russellblack.cowan - 2012-09-02 20:59

      @Claudia Meades. Yes, as a matter of fact I do see a future in SA. I believe this country has potential. Just look where we have come in 17 years. We are the only country to have hosted all 3 world cups in such a short space of time. We have such a diverse population. While I not see our govt will not provide us with that future, I believe if all South Africans work together, we will have a bright future in our rainbow nation. VIVA SOUTH AFRICA VIVA!

      claudia.meads - 2012-09-02 21:07

      Black B.E.E Diamond If you are too dense to grasp the concept of common purpose liability then do not comment on it. The principle is simple: if you initiate an illegal action and somebody is killed as a consequence of that action then you are responsible for that person's death - what is so difficult to grasp..? It is the reason you get charged with murder, if you willingly get drunk, you drive and then you kill somebody.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-09-02 22:41

      Malema is down and out, and we should not help 'his course' by appearing to act unfairly to 'his course'. ANC, Cosatu, SACP, CYL, and some members of the ANCYL are all against Malema, so we should not worry that much. This is just a kick of a dying horse. Additionally no opposition parties support Malema...

      veldt66 - 2012-09-02 22:43

      Nobody stops people at OR Tambo from leaving @Claudia Meads!!!!

      veldt66 - 2012-09-03 08:08

      @Claudia Meads i live in Europe for the past 12yrs by choice & i never ran away from anybody. Just to let you know"i hve never cast a ballot for anybody all my life!!!

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-09-03 08:38

      I said it for the past two weeks that charges will be dropped and miners will walk for free, just a waste of Taxpayers money and time. I am celebrating Aluta Continua.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-09-03 08:46

      @datraveller, What the hell has old apartheid laws gotta do with this??? These miners should be charged for the murder of those 10 innocent lives. They were all apart of the killing. Typical you are still living in the past to bring up apartheid. Get over it.

      Rudolf - 2012-09-03 11:01

      I LIKE Claudia_Meads... Oh to be able to 'state my case' like that... The world assuredly needs more people [intellectuals] like C_M

  • Bongiwe Bongie Mabongz Dlutu - 2012-09-02 15:01

    I wonder who will win this battle{police/miners}

      Bongiwe Bongie Mabongz Dlutu - 2012-09-02 15:39

      I have to be in suspense Modise, I know the procedures...

      theO rAcLe - 2012-09-02 17:20

      Don't be stupid, How were they going to prove who shot who, who pulled the trigger, who stabbed who...Think guys

      SharonE - 2012-09-02 17:46

      It was daft to charge them in the first place. Dropping the charges after the fact makes it appear as if they folded under the pressure. It also endorses the miners' behaviour, and strengthens Julius' image, as it would appear that he had a hand in the charges being dropped. The government ends up with egg on their face, appearing divided and indecicive. The decisions made from the start of this saga will have far-reaching consequences, socially and politically

      gift.mushi.9 - 2012-09-03 08:40

      The battle is won already, miners victory. So now we suspend and charge the commander of the massacre and his/her bosses.

  • madise.paul - 2012-09-02 15:02

    one way or the other, i don't mind!

      fussed.anderson - 2012-09-02 15:07

      But we know who won this one and the gov not protecting the police one bit on this one. So who will be upholding the law in future

      Rudolf - 2012-09-03 11:02

      What "law"..... ?

  • sunette.bridges.9 - 2012-09-02 15:08

    Well, I suppose the guy with the biggest "spear" or most "spear bearing hooligans" behind him, is firmly in charge of this country and by the looks of things, it is NOT Zuma! lol

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-02 15:10

    So no guilt by association then? It would be fair so that these charges were been made so as to remove the strikers from the mine altogether and give the situation time to cool down.And as I suspected no one will even be convicted for this as there are now no charges to be laid. The miners should've be charged in my humble opinion for the violence and disorder that they have been supporting in the first place if not for the 34 plus murders. The issue here does not rest with Lonmin,but with the trade union members who agitated the whole situation and therefore they themselves should be held jointly liable and accountable. The police were in an impossible situation and acted correctly.This situation is insane from the moment the violence broke out which ever way you want look at it. If the actions of the 270 were deemed unlawful and the person that stood next to you was also protesting and part of the 34 that subsequently got shot dead-then how can the survivor be held responsible for their murder? They both had the same common purpose.Those that died have escaped justice or injustice.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-02 15:13

    Accountability. African dictionary. To be sure that only slight punishment if any at all is handed down to the person(s) breaking a law.bso

  • RoryKlein - 2012-09-02 15:15

    This is absurd! The law was broken no matter what the situation and what message does this send to the public. I really don’t care who is at fault, the guilt must be punished there is no reason to resort to violence to solve any problem. It is barbaric! Nothing is solved by violence. This is going to result in more violence down the line and as a result more people will be hurt or killed. Why? Because the individuals responsible have not been held accountable for their actions. No this has nothing to do with anyone else other than the people who started the conflict, no matter what brought them to be there. The intent to use violence was made by those individuals that should be held accountable, no one else. Arriving at a gathering arm with weapons and guns is going to provoke the authorities to defend themselves. One would think that our people of South Africa have seen enough violence and would want to move forward. But by reading and seeing articles like this the answer is no. Think about the lives lost and how it has effected the families and loved ones left behind. It is sad, a loss of life that was not necessary and achived nothing. Respect one another and help build a better South Africa, the politicians and religious leaders are not going to do this, ONLY YOU can.

      RoryKlein - 2012-09-02 15:27

      Violence in not the answer, they have themselves to blame for their actions. No one put the weapons in their hands, they did that themselves. The people that filled their heads with empty promises failed to deliver what they should have done in negotiations. Anyone instruction another person to do harm to another individual should be charged with breaking the law and held equally accountable.

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-09-02 16:56

      Madise: focus on the violence....it NEVER achieves a positive result....NEVER. It may produce a respomse, but the benefits will not last and will be for very few people. The vast majority, including you if you are not a mineworker, are immediately impacted negatively by the threat of more violence.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-09-02 18:00

      madise ... the fight was between 2 different unions factions. And then they killed each other ... 10 people in fact. And then they charged the police with weapons (after killing 2 policemen) It had very little to do with the bosses wage offer - but I guess you forgot about all the facts already ... and you feel less than nothing for the people these rioters killed. Disgusting mentality.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-02 15:15

    Claudia Meades: Just keep on running,all the time let the kids decide for themselves.You are still here most probably.

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-09-02 15:21

    So who is responsible for the 10 that were murdered before this all happened??!!

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-09-02 18:04

      Let them off, the concensus seems to be their lives were worthless anyway according to Malema and his followers. Prideless people.

  • Jay Marian - 2012-09-02 15:24

    No one gives a damn about the policeman who lost their lives as a result of the miners actions, yet the government still has the audacity to apologise to these hooligans. S.A. is crumbling!

  • scaztanza - 2012-09-02 15:25

    Banana Republic of South Africa. I bet Zuma is smiling uncontrollably somewhere...well

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-09-02 15:31

    Only this morning Mac said Zuma would not bow to pressure and would not release the miners...and that justice must see it course A few hours later, the opposite! These people have forked tongues and don't know their own butts from their elbows!

  • Joseph KG - 2012-09-02 15:32

    good so are the police who killed 34 in duty at moment?

  • gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-09-02 15:33

    Anarchy reigns supreme,savagery wins, South African citizens lose.... again.

  • cecilia.vanderwesthuizen.5 - 2012-09-02 15:34

    They should be charged for the ten murders they comitted. People they hacked to death, stoned to death and set on fire. Where is the justice for the families of those ten men?

      denis.mhendi - 2012-09-02 16:23

      I'm so glad to hear the good news of realising the Lonmin mineworkers.I think now it's gonna be easy for the commission's investigation,they can get the truth so simple now,what happened there,who's started to formed that or who's caused that tragedly

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:15

      Cecilia grow a brain between those two evil eyes. 3500 miners took part and 270 were arrested. What if the the arrested were not even at the march the day the 10 were killed?

  • gerhard.minnaar.716 - 2012-09-02 15:34

    Another blow for the Law! Viva to the LAWLESSNESS in our banana Republic! This will create a trend and inspire more lawless strikes and murder!

      dee.980 - 2012-09-02 16:20

      Rubbish! How about the alternative of inspiring more fascist actions by (ill equipped, ill disciplined and poorly directed) police? If EVERYONE was to be charged for murder in this multi-multi-multi WRONGS-on-all-sides - then Minister and Commissioner of Police should have also be up on murder charges.

      gerhard.minnaar.716 - 2012-09-03 03:38

      Hi dee.980 To start with, it was an elegal strike between 2 unions. The miners behaved like barbarians an started killing each other, 2 security guards and 2 police men. The situation was tense. Some of them went to their Sangoma for muti to make them invincible to the police when they attacked the police. But unfortunately they got dead. NOW, to be simple minded and petty them stupid barbarians who were shot by the police is just idiotic. What do you think will happen to you if you charge down a police officer while being armed with the intention to do the police officer harm. Please man, use some common sense...

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-09-02 15:34

    This is what is right,you are not doing any faver for no one here.

      simphiwe.nofuma - 2012-09-02 16:05

      It was shocking to witness NPA charge the miners with Common Purpose while the were just victim of the brutality by police. The miners were not a threat to society even the first 10 pple that were killed include miners and the media was just selective on reporting, currently we don't know what happen to the 10 miners including two police. Our NPA is just a tool manipulated by political power which is used on daily basis. Just mention one case NPA is not manipulated, Shaik, Selebi, JZ etc

  • Jonas Samoan Ndou - 2012-09-02 15:37

    so those 2 police men n 2 guards,they died 4 nothing?jaa ne,only in mzanzi

      buti.Bambo - 2012-09-02 15:42

      Murder charges were not about those 2.it was about 34 killed miners.SAPS is investigating those separate.

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 15:57

      Who said they were charged for those people? Are you as ignorant as these racist in this platform?

      hsebolelo - 2012-09-02 16:11

      Died for doing their jobs

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:17

      Ndou you are such a moron. Read before you get your Venda paws on the keyboard. The charges were for the 34 people killed by the police. Venda education.

  • buti.Bambo - 2012-09-02 15:38

    NPA never had a case from the begining. They are wasting taaxpayers money.

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 21:26

      I'd prefer to do something about this than spew hate..... Come on use some of your energy helping me fight this rather.... http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Grannies-may-lose-foster-grants-20120902 It's disgusting!

  • shela.babygoal - 2012-09-02 15:41

    Thank u Julius. You are a powerful Man

      asarhondo - 2012-09-02 16:18

      Malema needs to really educate African people, politically educate them. The road will be long and the propaganda from the European side will be heavy. African for Africans.

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 17:56

      Before we politically educate people how about we just focus on providing everyone with a quality education.... The only real freedom in the world is achieved through education... Until that happens the uneducated masses will always be USED as political pawns, they will forever fall for the false promises, they will always believe the propaganda spewed by the empty vessels in & out of government and they will always be viewed as just be votes and not people..... Until we start challenging our government and using our votes as our voices we can just expect more of the same and a further decline in service delivery and rise in corruption. We need to stop the blame game and move forward... If not for our sakes then for our children.... Come on people it's effing logical.... Let's leave a legacy we'll be proud off a country that everyone has worked for instead of one that's being raped bare.... "Free yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" - Bob Marley

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-09-02 15:41

    This sends out a message that we can attack and kill police and security guards and other non-striking workers!!!! if i was family of any of the 10 deceased viciously murdered by those miners - i'd hunt them down and take them out one by one (i wonder if i cover myself if muti if i'll also get off). SA laws and government you all suck and you are creating your own monster. SA will become a vigilante State soon. Cops won't want to do the job.

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:21

      Can't you stupid people read? These were the charges for only 34 people killed by police. You are white and still can't comprehend something written in English. Get education.

  • Yong-Se Cosa Nostra - 2012-09-02 15:41

    well we all know what will happen now. . . strike continues. . . police killed coz they will be too scared to defend themselves. . . ! good thing i left the government. . . !

  • chanki.modise - 2012-09-02 15:42

    Yes people were killed during the strike.Police action were wrong by shooting them.My take is all the party are wrong I think all partys'. must sit down to fine proper solution after that the police can start investigating who kill those miners and police officer

  • antionette.oberholzer - 2012-09-02 15:52

    Cowards

  • WysJouMys - 2012-09-02 15:58

    Well, the devil looks after his children... is ANYONE really surprised?

  • mxolisi.kiviet.5 - 2012-09-02 15:59

    Good move by our justice system.

  • Michael - 2012-09-02 16:01

    I watched the press conference, there was nothing wrong in charging them with murder, the charges have been provisionally withdrawn as the investgation is on going. They maybe charged again. This had nothing to do with Malema demands.

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 16:01

    The constitution of this land was drafted by people for people, and most importantly to administer fair justice to as compared to the racist past regimes. There was no reason in the first place for NPA to use apartheid laws that were done with so as to please the rotten racists of this country!! Now let's wait for the outcome of the inquiry and then we will see what went down in Marikana, not what people think/ assume went down!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-02 16:24

      Apartheid laws which discriminated on the basis of race were repealed after 1994. The "common purpose" doctrine is based on the common law (unwritten laws which evolved from practice, which remains in force until expressly repealed by other legislation.

  • nkululeko.ngubane.165 - 2012-09-02 16:02

    The pressure worked indeed....

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-02 16:13

    I new that the criminals would be set free. That is the way the law works in this country.

      Yosi Sesoana - 2012-09-02 16:46

      anc gov. kill its own people defending capitalists

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:23

      Before you can know anything about law learn to spell first or at least know the difference between "knew" and "new" and how and where to use them.

  • bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-02 16:15

    Its like a panic stricken coach that makes substitutions all the time; the results are bad so we have to try something else! And again! And again!

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-09-02 16:17

    so as from today its been aproved that any body whose aproaching the police with the panga the police must run.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-09-02 16:26

      NO! Police has to smile, stay polite, and say something like: "Dear Sirs; Please be so kind as to put those devices away? I might get the impression that some of you would have hostile intentions, and that would not be nice?" Maybe the officers could put some flowers in their hair, that might help too.

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-09-02 16:18

    Ok so we should release people that spent 10 years in jail before their trial were finalised !!!! This country and its lack of any common sense and leadership is a JOKE !!!

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-09-02 16:27

    Of course. good preceent as well.

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-02 16:31

    Pressure is the cause of release.Now we can carry weapons,damage property and even kill when we strike.Malema has won.We can even kill police.what a shame!!

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-09-02 16:31

    Claudia Meads. We came back from aborad 6 years ago. Somehow, we were under the impression (partly through misinformation from homecoming revolution)that things here were improving. We have now had to come to terms with the fact that the whole thing is a miserable disaster which simple mathematics does not allow to succeed. I am 51 and I will be heading back out of here next year. My son is already there and as much as I miss him, I have told him not even to THINK about moving back. So sad to say; I agree with you.

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 17:09

      Go back and take some with you!!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-02 17:24

      enlightened ~ Homecoming revolution should be banned and it's nothing but propaganda. Good advice to your son over there. I keep telling my family who are still here to go as well and those that are homesick, to forget about the beautiful country this once was. As for me, I'll don't care if I go down fighting because at least I know I'll take a couple of these thugs out with me. The likes of beki.khumalo, asarhonda and chule.qalase will be the first ones in my sights and I cannot wait.

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 17:33

      Irene it would do you goodto take everyone called buthelezi with where ever too think tys safe and by that you'd has done us a favor!! And also every racist here!!!

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 18:15

      Irene need some help, I'm staying come hell or high water. I too am mourning the demise of a country that I hold dear..... I refuse to immigrate, I am South African it's all I've ever known.... I still have hope and I will continue doing my community service and pushing education as it is obvious that though some can type and read they still have no clue..... Politicians (including Malema) are merely for themselves, they use the voters for their little ego trips, vendettas and the like... They don't actually give a toss about their citizens..... I just don't understand why people are soo delusional and blind when it's glaringly obvious to the rest of us?? If they genuinely cared about us we wouldn't have daily service delivery protests, the country would be prosperous, we'd have a handle on unemployment and crime.... Come on think logically...... I just don't understand how people can blindly follow..... "Free yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 19:04

      You leave my son out of this ( he is my child and nothing to do with you.... Would you rather him be raised in a orphanage instead of with two parents whole LOVE him more than life itself) So please leave him out of it. I am not the enemy..... I have not done anything to harm or oppress you neither do I want to.... I want to raise my son in the country I love... Perhaps you should set up your own little Azania like Orania and leave the rest of us that want a free, inclusive, modern prosperous and happy South Africa to get on with it... I am not European I am South African and you my "frenemy" can't change that.... Deal with it... Your hate has no place and you my "frenemy" are the racist trying to implement your own form of ethnic cleansing... It's pathetic and sad... How unhappy your life must be with your dark evil thoughts....

      beki.khumalo - 2012-09-02 20:51

      @Irene Buthelezi: some of us love this country too much and we'll make it work. If your friends want leave, they must do so and leave us to continue building unity. I have no respect and absolutely no sympathy for whites who claim to be victims of an 'unfair black government'. So, I'll say it again, leave and DON'T come back! South Africa is a great country alive with endless possibilities. Some of you can't stand being under a black government and you miss 'the good old days'. That's your problem, not ours, and if leaving the country is your solution go for it! How the hell does the release of these miners affect your personal life so much so that you'ld want to leave the country? You'll find any reason to leave the country! What, are we to beg you to stay? There are a lot of intelligent white South Africans working hand in hand with fellow South Africans to build a better country. So, the rest of you, f#ck off!

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 21:28

      I'd prefer to do something about this than spew hate..... Come on use some of your energy helping me fight this rather.... http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Grannies-may-lose-foster-grants-20120902 This is disgusting!

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:29

      Get as many of your ilk as possible and get the hell out of Africa. You are doing nothing here anyway except to annoy us with your stinking whining.

  • jeffrey.d.walker.9 - 2012-09-02 16:39

    I don't believe it! direct/ indirect Political interference in the Judiciary once again. This is a major infringement of our "wonderful Constitution" which only happens when the perpetrators are black, it's a disgrace and an insult to law abiding citizens.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 17:11

      Oh shut up Calvin, you are the racist. This is not Zimbabwe, they completely wrecked that country. I will do anything in my power to ensure the same does not happen here. It should not be about white and black, it should be about criminals and law abiding citizens trying to make a decent living. When will the majority start to see that the white man is not the bad guy, the ANC and ANCYL are a bunch a criminals stuffing you over far worse than the white man ever did, eveyone is just too stupid to see it, or mabey they do see it and deny it out of pride anyway, I don't know anymore. Can't we all just live in peace, that way things will actually start to get better for everyone not just members of the ANC government.

      omphile.umphimodise - 2012-09-02 22:34

      Jeffrey.d.wanker.9 you are one stupid rubbish. Where were you when the waterkloof 4 were released after killing a black homeless man? Is it because they are white trailer trash like yourself?

  • chris.potgieter.73 - 2012-09-02 16:41

    The bottom line is that strikers will be careful not to be overtly threatening in future. Reality is that the government has taken the gloves off and the mere fact that they, and the company, stalled in taking action condemns them as being criminally liable for the death of South Africans. Let them forget the final outcome the French Revolution at their peril.

  • andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 16:43

    Anyone so infavour of the miners being released is obviously a criminal as well. Think about it, they probably put themselves in the miners shoes which is why they want them to be released. It is obvious to any decent citizen that bringing weapons to an illegal strike and murdering those security gaurds and police can only be caused by a violent criminal. If I am not happy with my pay then I find another job, the owner of the business does not have to employ you. When you signed up, both the employer and the employee had a choice. If it were not for him you may have been on the street. Don't go around killing people else you belong behind bars!!!

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 17:00

      God forgive you, it's people like you who like you who had our freedom fighters killed and those people who fight for what is right death be in vain. So according to you injustice is better than complete freedom and sharing of wealth by all?

      lazola.lala - 2012-09-02 17:09

      Andile you say they should look for other jobs,do u think if they could get better jobs they would be doing the one they doing at the moment? Please put yourself in the shoes of a husband and Father that cannot put food on the table and take their children to school or tertiary.. Think before you comment next time.think of the families that are now left with no bread winner,think about how the cops handled the situation! Shoot to kill? They could have used rubber bullets,the minners weren't even at the work place,they hadn't ruined anything,for Susan Shabangu to say they should be charged is irresponsible thinking.Please think about how this is taking our elders back to apartheid. I'm only 20 but I can think this through properly...

      Zukile Marcus - 2012-09-02 17:09

      Andile I cant believe you the one saying this; i dont have words for you.

      buti.Bambo - 2012-09-02 17:22

      Any1 like Andile Vabasa is an ignorant empty tin that make noise without knowing democracy

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-02 17:25

      calvin ~ It's a pity you just don't have just one of andile's brain cells. You really missed out in that department when you were spawned.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 17:28

      Yes I hear what you are saying, lets get the facts straight and then we can debate: 1. The miners could have had a normal strike and not bring weapons (obviously they intended violence by doing so). 2. The Police DID USE RUBBER BULLETS AND WATER CANNONS to try and calm the crowd, it is when they ran at the police that they got shot. I do feel bad for the families who lost husbands and fathers it is a huge tragedy but it was their fathers and husbands own doing by doing what THEY KNEW was wrong. I can't see myself bringing a gun and striking in public, it would not feel civil. Now tell me why did they not have an organized strike which did not involve violence, because violence is what they got. The police were simply there trying to maintain order but things got out of hand. Also as I understand most of them come from Zimbabwe etc. did they not try the violent thing there also, that is why the country was in ruin so they run to South Africa to get work and try the same thing here. When SA is in ruin where we going to run we have reached to tip of the continent. Please comment I want to try and understand both sides of the story.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 17:33

      Oh and Calvin, clearly you are a stupid black person go back to Zim, why do you say such things to me? Tell me where I am wrong by wanting peace not war.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 17:52

      @asarhondo, They are not getting slave wages, they were getting like R5000 a month, I know tons of white people or black people earning those salaries because it is what you are worth to someone. If you have the brains to begin a successful business and make money from other people then by all means it is just the way it works. Anyone is aloud to do it. Also you are extremely racist, you want to kick all non Africans out, even those who voted against the apartheid government so that you could live among them and say things like that. In any case the point is if they had an arranged strike and asked for mabey a R2000 increase which is R7000, almost what a qualified teacher earns who studied for 4 years and put a lot of money into it. Them things would have been different. They probably would have gotten it if the corporation could afford it and also no would have died, I especially feel bad for the security guards that were killed as they were just doing their job and probably get paid even less, their families are probably even more devastated. Oh one thing I do agree with is that charging all 270 suspects with murder was a bit harsh, I would say maybe public violence and those who did kill the security etc should get murder.

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 17:56

      Andile you must be a joker of some kind. You only believe what you were fed by these papers and you think you know what went down here??? The thing most people like you believe of people going to fight with police is utter nonsense. It never happened as it will be revealed by the commission and IPID. Wait and see for this to come through rather comment on something know very kitten about!

      Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-09-02 17:57

      Andile. You've merit in regurgitating the obvious which constitution should explicitly state "no weapons in striking" other than that your line of thinking is shameful because you lack solidarity with the plight of the Father, son exploited by Lonmin! You are the kind of person that would easily be a BEE token because the white boss would make you salivate with a few thousands in your wish to forget that you're black and your history as a black person in SA.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 18:05

      @Lunga, You make a valid point, but the only mistake is that getting a pay increase is not a "right" it is a privilege. Also they demanded R12500! I was fortunate enough to obtain an engineering qualification and it was no picnic getting it, it took years of hard work and endurance. When I completed it my employer was only paying R5000 to R6000, I was not happy so I looked for a new job everyday and must have applied to hundreds before I got a response, I then managed to get a new job where I was happy. That is how things are meant to be done, I am sure that is how the owner of the mine started off as well.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 18:21

      chule.qalase, here you go proof that they were using rubber bullets, I saw more footage, let me know if you want more. One of the miners first shot at the police. Put yourself in the polices shoes for a minute, when someone shot at them obviously there was a brief moment of chaos especially when the cops all shot at once, I would say no one really knew what was going on. http://ewn.co.za/en/2012/08/22/Cops-use-rubber-bullets-to-disperse-protesting-hawkers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elxRqqOgBHc

      hudayfah.newman - 2012-09-02 18:27

      Put them in their place Andile.

      sophia.nienaber - 2012-09-02 18:28

      If only half of South Africans (black and white) had the same mindset as Andile

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 18:37

      Andile and to most people out there, killing people is not a solution and I don't care if you've seen YouTube or what ever. If we were to rely on what we think is right everyday of our lives everything would be a mess. Your engineering qualification means you work according to what has been proven right not what you perceive as right. Killing of people by whatever means especially by law enforcers will be proven right by laws of this country not what they think is right. Same thing that happenses with he dead Soweto boy who got killeed by a cop who thought he was doing it for self defense, it will be revealed even this one!! I see that most of your likes have already found who is right/ wrong in this case.

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 18:41

      Andile, unfortunately the responses you're getting aren't constructive and it's sad.... I'm sorry as you've been eloquent and constructive. I was really hoping for some worthwhile debate and responses... As I said earlier I'm staying come hell or high water. I too am mourning the demise of a country that I hold dear..... I refuse to immigrate, I am South African it's all I've ever known.... I still have hope and I will continue doing my community service and pushing education as it is obvious that though some can type and read they still have no clue..... Politicians (including Malema) are merely for themselves, they use the voters for their little ego trips, vendettas and the like... They don't actually give a toss about their citizens..... I just don't understand why people are soo delusional and blind when it's glaringly obvious to the rest of us?? If they genuinely cared about us we wouldn't have daily service delivery protests, the country would be prosperous, we'd have a handle on unemployment and crime.... and most importantly we'd all be TOLERANT and love our fellow South Africans. Come on think logically...... I just don't understand how people can blindly follow..... How can you allow double standards to prevail i.e. Aurora mine vs Lonmin..... Why aren't more of us forcing the Aurora shareholders to pay their miners who aren't seeing a cent of anything... "Free yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds" Bob Marley

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 18:41

      @Thanduxolo Galada, I never meant for this to become a race thing it just shows how bad it actually is. What do you mean the white boss? You can't hate someone for being white and starting a company and employing black people amongst his staff. Black people can do the same and I have heard of many such cases. This is not about race anymore, that time has come and gone many many years ago. The official abolishment of Apartheid occurred in 1990 already when FW De Klerk lifted all the apartheid laws. In 1992 the white people voted that black people should also be aloud to vote and thus the ANC came into power in 1994. They have been stuffing whites and blacks over almost ever since or rather when Mandela stepped down. I say blacks because if you read the news you would actually find that they are so corrupt and steal so much of the tax payers money for their own personal gain instead of using it to help uplift the country as a whole. I say whites cause of open racism like BBEEE and that only blacks can buy certain shares in some companies and things like brutal farm murders are looked over which happen to be white people. It is almost like apartheid backwards for them. So we must stop blaming whites for everything, they are not in control any more. They have not been for 20 years. We are all victims in this country and have equal right to have a share in it. I hope all my brothers will one day come to see this so that we can finally live Madiba's dream of a rainbow

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 19:19

      @chule.qalase, who are the agents of doom and destruction, that sounds like something from a comic book.

      asarhondo - 2012-09-02 19:23

      African people! Andile needs ” white” validation. He does not see the world in a historical context. Why do you think euros have the ability to form business? Come on, from stolen wealth. Do you think South Africa is operating in a vacuum? Read “The shock doctrine” by Naomi Klein “post-apartheid South Africa, key demands for economic justice were sacrificed in the name of a smooth transition.” And you’re spreading Al-Jazzera video propaganda as truth? LOL! But hey, those euros will keep on pressing thumbs up since they need traitors like yourself to undermine a African Nationalist. Have you noticed African people that this Andile has not said one bad word about colorless people? Smh As I said before the only logical discussion should be how do we expunge euros, period. If they are so industrious and smart, they should have no problem making a life in Europe-

      chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 19:36

      Andile an agent of doom and distruction is any one who is against what is right, whether black/ white I don't care. It's the one who will say even when things are worse and pretend all is well, even when suffering is all over to be seen, will pretend not to see. Yes I see you love peace and harmony, but so do I. I hate racisim with all that I am, so is murder of who ever. I hate crime and everything that has got to do with human suffering. People here seem to care about who was wrong and who was rights all I care about is sufferig that will be upon the affected individuals and their children.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 19:47

      @chule.qalase, Ok I understand where you are going with this, you sound like a very nice person then, I too wish there was no death and violence, I truly hope that the families will find comfort. I lost a loved one not too long ago and I know what they are going through. The ones who keep commenting about how the euro's must leave and so on are the ones who are annoying me. They are the reason SA can't move on from it's past. But enough about that, I am sure things will work out in the end for everyone.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 19:59

      @asarhondo, My brother you need black validation ,because now you are just making us look bad. They made it in Europe and in Africa and in America. Look at the rest of Africa where they all left. Not going too well for the folk they left behind now is it. All the African countries where there are no whites are poor and dying. Clearly they are not the problem there and they arn't the problem here either, you just want someone to blame ,because I suppose it is going bad with you. But I am telling you it's going bad with you ,because you can't move on, you use too much energy on the wrong thing. What do you want me to follow Juju, because he says so. I am telling you now that he is an idiot and we do not need the white mans wealth we can build our own. Please hear me, I beg you to try see my view, we must build our own wealth in order to move forward. If I give you a piece of land what are you going to do with it? Ask yourself that. Many black South Africans are doing well for themselves ,because they learnt the trick man. Get out of the mass of idiots and see yourself as an individual not a poor black victim! I bet there are a lot of white people out there who want you to do well for yourself so much that they are praying for you.

      asarhondo - 2012-09-02 20:16

      If you believe anything you just attempted to write; I know, the South African school system is horrible across the board. I constantly see Subject-Verb disagreements, unneeded words, problems with creating fluid meaning in what people are writing, from that area; Nonetheless, If you believe what you just wrote, there is no hope for you in the future South Africa. Oh by the way, African countries, when measured based upon GDP growth, are out pacing European countries. Also, Ghana, Tanzania, Rwanda and Angola are doing quite well without a large euro peon presence among others, but you would have to actually read some books to actually figure that out, as well as travel. Nonetheless, I recommend all Africans to read: Dr Amos Wilson's "Blueprint for Black Power". Amazing book. Read!

      asarhondo - 2012-09-02 20:18

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuGbu34EZo

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 20:22

      @asarhondo, Ok then what do you suggest. Should we form an angry mob and chase them away? Clearly I am not going to get through to you but I want this sorted out so whats the plan man? They all leave and what then?

      asarhondo - 2012-09-02 20:28

      Everybody check out the video but more importantly read his work; Dr. Amos Wilson "Blue Print to Black Power" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEuGbu34EZo Tell me what you think?

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 20:33

      Andile, I am one of those white people who want us all to be successful, hell I want us to be a kicka$$ country!! We have that potential. I cried at the tragic loss of 44 fathers, brothers, husbands, sons & lovers.... I still cry for their women & children who have all suffered a tragic heart wrenching loss & I shed tears for those poor policemen who were forced to return fire. This tragedy must never ever happen again. @asarhondo I was raised to think of others before myself, I volunteer time at Orphanages helping with homework & just being there for the kids to talk to, hug, love and care for..... It takes a village to raise a child and we are all responsible for our orphans! Perhaps once you have gotten rid of your hate this could be a more worthwhile outlet for you? I could hook you up as there are 100 000's of orphans needing someone to just take an interest.... I've had "my kids" keep me updated after they've left & studied & become successful it is most rewarding.... Hate is a terrible thing & a waste of energy. Energy that could be channeled in a positive way for the improvement of our youth. They are the future of our country. @asarhondo I really wish I could have a conversation with you as I want to learn why & how you became so hateful & bitter? Why you expend soo much energy on hate? Only once all South Africans are equally educated can we take on government and corruption & for that to happen we need to ALL stand together and demand....

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 20:43

      Dr Amos Wilson is American and not African???? Which African writers can I read?

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 20:47

      @asarhondo, you see now, look at what Jonidwd is saying, you hate him simply because he is white. He cares about you as a human being. He does not think black and white this and that. Now you need to be the same and stop filling your head with cr@p. Be an individual and try and accomplish as much as you can by building and being productive. Then one day you too can be like him and help other poor african people or white people or whatever people living in poverty to give them a chance to be something and make something. This will create a snow ball effect and eventually SA will be a much happier country. Instead of the hate game which will just create more violence, disorder and destruction which leads to poverty. Look beyond race brother.

      andile.vabasa - 2012-09-02 21:03

      @asarhondo, Oh and you were saying something about GDP, here is a list of countries in order of GDP, look who is on top and who is at the bottom, note the South Africa is highest African country not by a little, but by far. South Africa is a diamond in the rough man. And those other countries may be growing faster by percentage but if it is only like 30000 then a huge 2 percent increase really ain't much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 Also these people you support like the ANCYL, what are they saying when they say things like make the Western Cape ungovernable. They are scared because they know that the Government there is going to make the ANC look bad. Check this out too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 21:18

      "You must climb over your history to reach your Destiny" Been interesting sleep tight all!

      jonivdw - 2012-09-02 21:30

      I'd prefer to do something about this than spew hate..... Come on use some of your energy helping me fight this rather.... http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Grannies-may-lose-foster-grants-20120902 This is disgusting!

  • nkosinathi.g.malindi - 2012-09-02 16:54

    They should have also charged the dead miners with suicide.

  • konanani.rachicoper - 2012-09-02 17:03

    Pppsh,i expected this to happen,i just cant believe they took this long.

  • Samukelisiwe Tana Shelembe - 2012-09-02 17:10

    about time, this whole thing was just bogus

  • boyce.kunupi.1 - 2012-09-02 17:16

    I blve the judge should be charged for the trauma that he made the famalies go through

  • lunga.mncube - 2012-09-02 17:16

    The case of miners is a tough case ,inwhich any decision taken will be judged harshly by the ppl ,the fact that it was the miners whu instigated an attack on the police shld mean that they shld b held accountable for all the wrongs that took pplace bt the twist is ,that only 4cops died nd 34miners died 1myt look at this situation nd say that the courts shld have sympathy on them nd detain the police(bt it was nt the cops whu aggravated them)..if this case is based on judicial facts all of the involved miners should be held accountable nd face the law regardless if at the end of the day their were fyting for their ryts!

  • mnguni.ngubonde - 2012-09-02 17:20

    Our judicial system in particular NPA has been a laughing stock since the departure of Advocate Bulelani Ngcuka'the man knew what he was doing ' The NPA knew from the onset that charging the victims with so-called \Common Purpose Doctrine\ was not a way to go ' instead they continue to embarrassed them- self international, what a disgrace' Mbeki and Ngcuka are celebrating with this blunder 'Your skill is being tested Mr President where is Menzi Simelane and Mkotetshe. Mptshe' Thlali Thlali please my brother could u assist' the ship is sinking'at least u can interpret the Constitution of the country' the President' Justice Minister and Acting National Prosecutor should consider their positions and do the right thing they have embarrassed the country not once, not twice' if not one will be sentenced to death' and is going to be carried out under this leadership

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-09-02 17:35

    Sorry for those who have already passed judgment on the case. The knowledgeable, the educated, the intellectuals must let the commission and the courts do their work without any interference.

  • chule.qalase - 2012-09-02 17:41

    It's funny how the racists in this medium claim to be law abiding citizens of this country!!!! We have a Constitution that protects all citizens of this land not the so called common laws!!! Rights are applicable to all and the commission will hopefully reveal the truth about all this, not the agents of doom and distruction.

  • yolanda.bezuidenhoutfraser - 2012-09-02 17:44

    What's new pussy cat....\r\nWho ever expected the law to acctually go ahead? Political preassures is more than a ton of bricks. Who ever believed the law is separate from politics???\r\nIf they carge the cops.... Well that's where they going with this! This is South Africa! Who expected anything else? In this country the mob has the lions balls in their hand. Not the cops. The cops is eye blind candy to civer corruption!

  • aubrey.k.masola - 2012-09-02 17:45

    Gud news to the families of mine workers.

      johan.monnig - 2012-09-02 18:44

      And bad news for the rest

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-02 17:54

    The stupid media played a huge role in this by using the phrase "apartheid era legislation" to describe the common purpose doctrine under which the hooligans were charged. There is a number of "apartheid era legislation that are still in place because they are neutral, such as the common law "common purpose" doctrine which is used to charge a big number of people in circumstance where it will be impossible to prove which of them exactly committed the crime. I don't see anything wring it where a mob was involved. However, that NW director of public prosecution, Mr Smit, must have been high to attribute the death of the miners who were killed by the police, to the miners themselves.