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Christian camp man arrested for abuse

2012-03-11 16:13

Johannesburg - A Christian camp counsellor is expected to appear in the Himeville Magistrate's Court in the Underberg this week for allegedly sexually abusing his daughter and stepdaughter, the Sunday Tribune reported.

The 41-year-old was arrested at a local campsite, run by the Scripture Union SA, on March 2. He was a manager at the site.

He faces charges of sexual assault and possession of child pornography.

The man allegedly assaulted the girls in 2009. His daughter was 17 at the time, his stepdaughter 13.

Scripture Union SA director Tony Nzanzah told the newspaper they found child pornography on his computer three days before his arrest.

He had since been barred from the camp.

Comments
  • Jeeves - 2012-03-11 16:21

    Right, from now on all articles should read what religion the perp believes in. "Atheist man rapes cow". "Buddist man steals chocolate". Really man, what the hell!

      Ben - 2012-03-11 16:28

      Well put Jeeves. Some people are religious. Some just use religion.

      Sydney - 2012-03-11 16:36

      As an atheist....I have no problem with this.

      Carlin - 2012-03-11 16:43

      Your point is seen, but largely invalidated in the specific circumstances involved in this case.

      Jeeves - 2012-03-11 16:45

      "Atheist man called 'Sydney' comments on thread".

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-11 17:00

      His profession is mentioned, not his beliefs. No need to go all gaga about this.

      Cracker - 2012-03-11 17:34

      If you proclaim a religion or advertise and you act contrary to what you preach and tell others to do, it becomes newsworthy. You AND the religion you profess to represent and spread for the GOOD of the REST OF US supposedly UNINFORMED FOOLS becomes newsworthy. Whether the rest of us draw the correct conclusions from the saga may be questionable. But the newsworthiness of the events should not be in question. Fire fighter sets fire to fire engine! Judge lies in tax returns! News worthy! Atheist...does what? Contrary to what? Is a bigamist perhaps? Which of the many religions did the atheist perhaps not offend?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-03-11 18:05

      The fact another paedophile used religion to hide and get close to children is the issue, whether he interfered with kids at camp or not that was probably the intention. Paedophiles use these kinds of things to 'get' to kids.

      John - 2012-03-11 18:25

      Coming from a religious back ground, I do not agree with you. We expect politicians to abide by the laws they promulgate and to be an example. From religious leader I expect the same. When an ANC politician claims he's fighting corruption when screwing the country over we shout against the ANC, not just the individual. In the same manner, when a so called christian behaves in that manner the same principles apply. As a Christian it doesn't make me proud, it gives ammo to the likes of Godfrey... BUT... lets not hide the facts. Our history is littered with religion being nameless and shameless. What is important here, is how the organisation he works for deals with it.

      Jeeves - 2012-03-11 19:53

      I see. So if a Vodacom employee uses an MTN sim card, all Vodacom employees are traitors? You reasoning smells like bigotry.

      Sydney - 2012-03-11 21:15

      Just to clarify,I meant I have no problem in principle with a person's religious affiliation being mentioned.After all, statements of fact are only offensive or ideological upon interpretation. It would be nice however, if it were relevant. In this specific case the camp was Christian and the man worked for the camp. Therefore "Christian camp man." or alternatively a Christian man who really loves to camp.

      Sydney - 2012-03-11 21:16

      Or who is camp....

      anthro45 - 2012-03-12 07:08

      Ah , these christians. I am not a christian, but will never think of touching my son or daughter or any other person for that matter. I suppose this guy can now go and pray to say his sorry, and all will be forgiven.

  • spartanx93 - 2012-03-11 16:24

    This loon will probably justify it as "it was gods will..."

      Jeeves - 2012-03-11 16:26

      Or the devil made him do it.

  • Cracker - 2012-03-11 16:26

    I maintain that so-called conversion to some religion does not change a person. It merely papers over the cracks in his/her short comings. If you are by nature for example a plain bastard - in its many varieties, not just sexual - the new religious base often becomes the rationalization for even worse conduct than before. A bully for example will relish the idea that the Bible gives the head of the household full control over wife and others. Now watch him drag the Bible into it to justify his bullying. Quite a few everyday examples that one has noticed through the years come to mind.

      John - 2012-03-11 18:26

      Unfortunately true

      Heindrich Germishuizen - 2012-03-11 18:41

      but God also said respect ur wife. u cant take things out of the Bible to sort ur neads.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-11 19:50

      @Heindrich Germishuizen I agree But then you can't leave out facts like: 1. God killed babies 2. Condones stoning of [gays , atheist , non-believers , witches and rape survivors ] 3. As well as demanding human and animal sacrifices 4. Destroyed whole cities While not punishing Bible Hero's for incest and other sexual crimes. Damn the man.

      Herman Eloff - 2012-03-11 22:01

      Good people will do good things and bad people will do bad things, but it takes religion to make good people do bad things. I am not saying this guy used religion as his excuse (don't know the details) but is surprising what people can rationalise with a sky daddy looking after them, that is also willing to forgive any sin.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-12 05:23

      Well first of all, if someone can't differentiate right from wrong without God, or the Bible, or religion, then there's something very wrong with the individual. Stealing is wrong. Killing is wrong. Molesting children is wrong. You, me and most other rational people know this without being told so by religion. A child knows he's being deceptive when he lies without ever even having heard of the bible. Wait a second. Isn't Christianity the one where God told Abraham to take his child to an altar and sacrifice him? I mean, I know that God stopped him seconds before he plunged the knife into his son's chest, but how can you say that this helps people differentiate right from wrong? It'd seem to me that this only blurs the line considerably! Non religious people are moral because it's right. Religious people are "moral" otherwise their imaginary sky daddy won't let them into Happy Magic Fun Land after they die. But if they do do anything bad, no matter how horrendous, they can just say "I'm sorry" and it's all forgiven. Religion allows them to get away with anything without having to feel any real remorse for it. So religious people are more willing to be immoral "just this once" when they have to make a moral choice.

  • The-madKing - 2012-03-11 16:36

    South africa's morality is in free fall I tell you...

  • Andrew Sheppard - 2012-03-11 16:55

    Damn happy clappers!!

  • mollie.kruger - 2012-03-11 17:07

    The "Devil" made me do it...

  • TheJaydedKing - 2012-03-11 17:17

    Christians should be sent to a island where they can all live out their lives in delusional bliss.

      Cracker - 2012-03-11 18:20

      Not only one religion. Check out the virginity tests in Egypt news item under "Africa". Time for the dominees, priests, imams and others to exit society.

      Cracker - 2012-03-11 18:25

      They are in any event going to kill each other and the rest of us. Oh yes, include the pastors. They HATE each other. Religious tolerance is a myth.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-11 19:33

      Yes away from the technology and science they love to hate. Damn the man.

  • Heindrich Germishuizen - 2012-03-11 18:37

    God is real.God is great. God fave man a choise. u cant blame God fore a man bad desition. i love God and thats my desition. this nan will be juged.

      Cracker - 2012-03-11 18:55

      Nobody here is blaming any god. There are in any event so many of them according to the many varied followers that one would be hard pressed to identify the one to blame.

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-11 19:35

      @Heindrich Germishuizen incest id a common theme is the Bible and hardly ever punished. http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestuous-relationships-in-the-bible/ So was he really doing anything wrong, I mean Adam and Eve's children must have done it. Damn the man

      jody.beggs - 2012-03-11 19:37

      And if it where the Bible time. And then they would have had to marry him, because that's what must happen to rape survivor's is marry their rapist !

      Donna Sheree Netto - 2012-03-11 20:06

      Maybe 'God' will teach you to spell Heindrich

      Heindrich Germishuizen - 2012-03-11 20:42

      ok i c ur point. as fore what ur saying its wrong. as fore living in bible time. moses law was changed in the new testemint. as fore adam and eve. God said they where the first. not the only. fore my spelling i can only apoligize. the bible is very intresting. dont think u know it unless u have read it. this man has shatterd these kids lives. his choise and he will pay. thats a fact. the bible says so. may God please look over these pips thats avected. yr in our preyers.

      Herman Eloff - 2012-03-11 21:51

      Heindrich, Moses's law (and any laws in the OT) was not changed. As a matter of fact Jesus mentions a couple of times in the NT that he has not come to change any laws and that nothing that has been said (referring to OT) can be changed. When you read the barbaric rituals and atrocities in the OT it is understandable that would want to distance yourself from it, but it is as much part of your bible as the NT. Either accept all of it or accept it as the bronze age mythology that it is.

  • Mark - 2012-03-11 19:48

    If there's a political party out there willing to re-introduce the death penalty they've already got my vote. SAfricans are not yet ready for democracy, or capitalism for that matter. We simply seem to have more thieves, rogues, rapists, child-molestors, murderers and other trash around than we deserve. Can this be because we have such a liberal constitution, can we blame it on Apartheid or must we say that the rule of law no longer exists, is no longer held in awe and thus we need something stronger as a deterrent?

  • Justin McBride - 2012-03-11 20:47

    it looks like Scripture Union reported the child pornography and barred him from the camp. The arrest was after these events.

      John - 2012-03-12 00:02

      And for that they have my respect...

  • zaatheist - 2012-03-12 04:17

    All I want to know is this. Why does an omnipresent (I see everything), omnipotent (I can do anything) god allow these children, attending a god worshiping (kiddie brainwashing) camp, to suffer? Absolutely useless god if you ask me. Never there when you need him. He just watches it happen and does nothing. Of course the much more likely answer is that this god simply does not exist.

      Herman - 2012-03-12 05:13

      Yes, zaatheist, what this man did, can never be justified. What is good though, is that the man is barred from the camp after porn was found on his computer, before he was arrested, which indicate that his actions is not condoned by the organization running the camp. Lastly, if you want God to take action every time something evil happens, there would not be anybody left over on the earth, would there be? That is why the bible teaches that God is longsuffering, and that He wants people to repent of their sins.

      zaatheist - 2012-03-12 09:44

      @Herman You ducked the question, didn't you? The Christian god is omnipresent and omnipotent. Which means he is everywhere at once (he even knows what each of 7 billion people are thinking at any particular moment). He sees everything, has a plan so he knows what is going to happen next, and is all powerful. So he saw his kids going to a Christian brainwashing camp where they were going to learn to fear, praise, flatter, thank and beg him. He knew there was this dirty bastard at the camp and knew that it was going to rape the children. He watched as the children were raped and that the experience would affect them for the rest of their lives. And he did nothing to prevent it because he was too damn busy giving millionaire sports competitors an unfair advantage so they can win and become richer. There is something badly, badly wrong with a belief system that can explain this away.

      Herman Eloff - 2012-03-12 10:23

      In the words of Epicurus:\r\nIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

      Kelly Ann Boulter - 2012-03-12 16:59

      @ zaatheist: dude when is ur birthday!! I wanna buy u a big wooden spoon!! Lol! Don't get me wrong, u r more than likley right on most of the stuff u write!! But hell u do like a good religeous fight!!

  • FNWitch - 2012-03-12 09:21

    Strange, very strange. Headlines: "Witch murders ...", and every christian is on the bandwagon. Witches must be destroyed, run out the country, etc. etc. Witches are evil, etc. etc. Not once do you hear that the religous affiliation of the person should not be brought into the story. Please christians, and other religious people, stop being so two-faced!

      zaatheist - 2012-03-12 09:45

      Hypocritical is the word. The only answer must be that the truth has long since stopped being relevant for religious people. They are simply not interested. It's a social club for them.

  • Serge - 2012-03-12 22:06

    @ jody.beggs - where did God kill babies and where did he demand human sacrifices???

      Herman Eloff - 2012-03-13 09:24

      \The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords.\   (Hosea 13:16 NLT)\r\n\r\n    \Next we headed for the land of Bashan, where King Og and his army attacked us at Edrei.  But the LORD told me, 'Do not be afraid of him, for I have given you victory over Og and his army, giving you his entire land.  Treat him just as you treated King Sihon of the Amorites, who ruled in Heshbon.'  So the LORD our God handed King Og and all his people over to us, and we killed them all.  We conquered all sixty of his towns, the entire Argob region in his kingdom of Bashan.  These were all fortified cities with high walls and barred gates.  We also took many unwalled villages at the same time.  We completely destroyed the kingdom of Bashan, just as we had destroyed King Sihon of Heshbon. We destroyed all the people in every town we conquered – men, women, and children alike.  But we kept all the livestock for ourselves and took plunder from all the towns.\   (Deuteronomy 3:1-7 NLT)\r\n\r\nAnd He [God] said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. – Genesis 22:2\r\n\r\nThou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto Me [God]. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it Me. – Exodus 22:29-30\r\n\r\nPlenty more if you want to see, just read your bible. I just copied and pasted the first ones I could find online.

      LanfearM - 2012-11-27 11:27

      "Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." - Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Also, the first seven chapters of Leviticus have extensive rules regarding animal and food sacrifices. These offerings are supposed to be burnt so that God can smell them. If you read through these it seems clear to me that the priests were getting their followers to make a big feast for them every week. The priests were very particular about what kind of food to bring and how to prepare it. There are many more verses I can quote...

  • samgaf - 2012-11-28 19:43

    "If we believe absurdities, we shall commit atrocities." [Voltaire]

  • xchemistx73 - 2013-04-24 09:36

    Stop. Who gives a crap what faith this pervert is affiliated with? It has no bearing on the crime committed. He did not say his faith made him do it like the Muslim psychos do just before blowing themselves up. He committed the crime on his own and not to make a religious statement. The article should be about the crime and his punishment and not about his faith. This is yet another example of generalization at is best and is part of the discord we all have to endure due to the crap appearing in our news.

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