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City of Cape Town loses toilet case

2011-04-29 14:13

Cape Town - The City of Cape Town has been ordered to enclose 1 000 toilets in Makhaza, Khayelitsha after the Western Cape High Court ruled on Friday that it had violated the dignity of residents there.   

Judge Nathan Erasmus also found that police failed to comply with a court order to investigate vandalism of open air toilets.

ANC Cape Town mayoral candidate Tony Ehrenreich was present at the court for the judgment along with Julius Malema and Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula.

As a heavy drizzle began to fall around 11:00, scores of protesters sang and danced outside court.

Wearing t-shirts bearing President Jacob Zuma's face, the protesters did not want to speak to media, except to say they were from Khayelitsha.

Curious tourists gathered around, taking photographs.

The DA-led City of Cape Town was accused of violating residents' right to human dignity after 51 toilets were erected without enclosures in Makhaza, Khayelitsha in December 2009.

The ANCYL, on behalf of community members, lodged a complaint about the open toilets with the SA Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) in January last year.

The SAHRC recommended to the City that it reinstall the 51 toilets, but the City appealed against the SAHRC finding.

This was when the ANCYL decided to launch a court application on behalf of the residents.

Comments
  • iamasouthafr - 2011-04-29 14:17

    Let the comments begin.

      Valis - 2011-04-29 14:21

      You mean let the *ignorant* comments begin.

      Maleo - 2011-04-29 14:28

      Let the s h ! t begin to fly...

      Thangy - 2011-04-29 14:40

      Just a question: Does this ruling mean that the DA led WC government was actually the guilty party here and indeed violated the communities basic human right to closed toilets and even appealed against the SAHRC finding?

      werner.coetzer - 2011-04-29 15:10

      @Anc13thdisciple - yeah how dare they start with infrastructure instead of just promising and leave them with buckets for years and before you start with your sanctimonious bull, I've worked in that area ALOT and no the conditions

      thirty thirty - 2011-04-29 15:16

      I smell a rat... This reeks like something that was planned. There is no way the city could have made such a blunder. Reading the last 3 sentences and asking the question why (because he knew) Julius Malema would go to the hearing hints at : the whole thing was orchestrated by the ancyl. Hell perhaps i'm just paranoid about what i see happening to this beautiful country... think i'll go for a walk... then i'll prove the spectral theorem

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:33

      The DA tried to fix it earlier but as soon as a toilet wall was completed, they were vandalised, it will happen again. The open toilets suits the ANC and ANCYL, they will try to keep it open till 18th of May at least, watch this space.

      Ondier - 2011-04-29 15:36

      @Anc13thDisciple. mmmm More empty promises from your side. just as empty as your head. Just yesterday you commented that you want fuel to rise to R16 per litre, because you want to be the only one on the roads and you shared with us how awsome it is to have a goverment job that pays for your fuel. so my impression of you is that the tax we pay on our hard earned money is going to selfish pricks like yourself that doesnt really care for anyone but yourself and that you are lying to the poor to get their votes so you can keep your stupid job that pays for your fuel. I bet you probably also using that feul to drive your friends around instead of using it to go to work and back. not that I think they really need you there. you probably dont even now how to do your job. JUST LIKE THE REST OF YOUR CORRUPT GOVERMENT.

      clark - 2011-04-29 15:40

      - The Anc continue to deny their people countrywide of the most basic needs on a massive scale, yet the DA are found guilty of this crap. This country and sense of justice are screwed. When is some one going to take the Anc to court , for it's broken promises over the last 17 years. If Malema and Anc supporters regard this as a victory, it goes to show how whacked their priorities are. People are starving out there and they are fighting over toilets. But here's the thing; unlike the Anc,who would show the courts the middle finger, the DA will honour the ruling and fix them. The Anc are living a lie .

      tanrack - 2011-04-29 15:40

      @Anc13thDisciple ask the ANCYL to sort out the ANC here: "Now, a new toilet saga is ­bubbling in Viljoenskroon’s ­Rammulotsi township in the ANC-run Moqhaka municipality, which includes much of northern Free State and is based in the town of Kroonstad. When visiting Rammulotsi last week, City Press’ sister paper Rapport encountered one open toilet after another. Some of the toilets were built as long ago as 2001 but were never enclosed by the municipality. " from http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-04-29 15:59

      Cool, this ruling gives all those residents in the rest of the country a reason to sue the ANC led government. This boys and girls is what is called a Pyrrhic victory. Look it up if you don't know what it means.

      burtfred - 2011-04-29 16:18

      It's a flash in the pan

      Electronic Cemetery - 2011-04-29 17:13

      The precedent has been set then... The ANC should now look forward to being taken to court by a myriad of people on human rights violations cases country wide... It's a step forward they now have to show their own responsibility to the people... Anyone driven through the old "Transkei" lately? I'd rather do my toilet business with the door open or no door than live in any of those towns, which have sewage all over from humans and animals and are run by none other than the "saviors" of the Khayelitsha people's dignity... Some of the people who have supposedly lost their dignity don't even have a home WITH A TOILET which should have been supplied by the ANC Government long before the open toilets were erected and became such a serious problem the case was propaganda, but now I look forward to the ANC correcting all of their mistakes that have caused the loss of human dignity... At least the DA did something with the budget instead of pocketing it!!!!

      Lou_is - 2011-04-29 17:41

      ANCLostDi(ck)sciple please answer your phone when Nkandla is phoning, they are looking for their village idiot.

      John Wilderness - 2011-05-01 13:16

      @Ozimandios. Apartheid has proven that white people can be just as destructive as what some black people can be. The NAT apartheid government, like the ANC government, was just another failed corrupt african government.

  • Jan Spies - 2011-04-29 14:21

    inb4 racist comments and blaming the 'white' DA party. :3

      paulf - 2011-04-29 14:24

      Can I maybe Correct you there. The DA is Not a WHITE PARTY!!!!

      Jan Spies - 2011-04-29 14:26

      thus the quotation marks. /sarcasm.

      paulf - 2011-04-29 14:29

      Not sarcasm but Reality.

      Jan Spies - 2011-04-29 14:33

      It's Friday man, take it easy :) I'll remove the comment if it's not your kind of humor?

      paulf - 2011-04-29 14:37

      Okay cool Jan Spies, lets start to enjoy the weekend...

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-29 15:53

      @Anc13thDisciple We've got a thumbs up sign and a thumbs down sign. When we gonna get a f you sign for clowns like you?

      Electronic Cemetery - 2011-04-29 17:36

      @Anc13thDisciple- Someone on here mentioned that you were ranting on and on about your government job and the perks... It becomes obvious that this is why nothing gets done by your Government when fools such as yourself are involved... Everything from you and your entire political party is Sensationalism and propaganda trying to drag the DA down to your level, what you fail to realize is you're just a pawn in the ANC and that they'd happily sacrifice without a thought for you or your family's well being should the need arise for a "fall man"! Your political party feel no responsibility to the people ... None of you could care less about anybody in this country's human dignity. You are morally and financially corrupted to the core! Step aside and let some decent people run the country, even if it only starts at local government level! No one ever refers to the ANC as the "black" party, only ignorant fools such as yourself who cannot distinguish between a race and a political party would call the DA a "white" party! Have you ever even considered what the DA or the ANC actually bring to the table for the people? Do you understand that after 17 years the ANC still promise what they did at the beginning of the so called rainbow nation, and have still failed to deliver? I suppose your picture attached to your profile says a lot about you and your political party the ANC, looking straight ahead yet looking at nothing thats right in front of you!!!!!!

  • tokoloshe - 2011-04-29 14:24

    bla bla bla how sad are the ANC trying every pathetic tactic to give the DA a bad name before elections hahahha Julius has the mentality of a toilet! HELLEN ZILLE FOR PRESIDENT! THE TIME IS NEAR!!!!!!

      Logs01 - 2011-04-29 17:01

      It's called "ANC desperation".

      Larissa - 2011-04-29 23:19

      What DREAMS? Living in a gangsta paradise… - Malema style?

  • JJR - 2011-04-29 14:26

    Come now guys. We must respect the courts ruling. Obviously the city was wrong in what they did. Fix it and move on. Personally, I believe this is shocking and would like the city to apologise to the residents.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:32

      Hi JJR, if I may kindly ask that you take a look at my comment below, the situation will become apparent that the cause of the problem itself was the ANCYL and not the City of Cape Town or the DA. Thanks :)

      AndreA - 2011-04-29 14:38

      So you also prefer 5 families to share a toilet???

      AndreA - 2011-04-29 14:39

      JJR: So you also prefer 5 families to share a toilet???

      Chillepeppa - 2011-04-29 15:04

      Well, apparently, less than 10% didn't close their ablutions and they caused a ruckus. Everyone else was happily peeing in their slef enclosed toilets. That's when the ANCYL stepped in and the rest is just one messy affair...

      Carl Muller - 2011-04-29 15:13

      Support you 100 %. The way the DA handled this was just showing that they want to do it their way. And to use the tax payers money to try and prove their point. Their lawyer was most probably a friend that needed the money. They should have used it to enclose the toilets and not get into a messy court case.

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:37

      The City was earlier prevented to fix the walls, the whole Saga has been kept alive by the ANC to win votes. AndreA: In other poor communities in SA, run by ANC 5 families do share a toilet.

      Spoofed - 2011-04-29 16:23

      There were Enclosed toilette, the ANCYL came and tore them down, conveniently enough the police failed to comply with a court order to investigate the vandalism. I Smell a Rat, don't you?

  • LOLWUT - 2011-04-29 14:29

    Was the arrangement not that they could get more toilets if the built the enclosures themselves? This was the explanation offered by a spokesperson over the radio...... Instead they broke the toilets - now they have nothing.

      POLLENYS - 2011-04-29 14:34

      Exactly: That was the undertaking. You get more toilets, but then you must enclose x amount yourselves. This was agree to, then the piepols did not stick to the deal. They were most probably told not to stick to the deal= Such nice propaganda value.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:35

      Thanks, Lolwut, for taking the time to read the article(s) thoroughly. Indeed, it was the ANCYL who demolished the under-construction toilets, demanding brick and mortar (permanent facilities), despite the fact that the area was under plans for re-development.

      Gatvol - 2011-04-29 14:52

      Yes that was the original explanation given by the DA. Why did the communities never erect the enclosures as per the agreement? Let's see what did they do? uummm f@#ed up the toilets instead. They can go and use the bush from now on if they don't have any respect for the property given to them. If they want to behave like animals they can live like animals.

      Chillepeppa - 2011-04-29 15:05

      Well, apparently, less than 10% didn't close their ablutions and they caused a ruckus. Everyone else was happily peeing in their slef enclosed toilets. That's when the ANCYL stepped in and the rest is just one messy affair...

      OuWitBooi - 2011-04-29 15:16

      In fact about 95% of the people did honour their agreement with the Cape Town municipality and did enclose the toilets themselves. There were about 50 toilets that were not enclosed by the people. When the municipality saw that these toilets were not enclosed the municipality took it upon themselves to enclose the toilets, and they did this. That was when the ANCYL got involved and tore down the enclosures because they were made of wood and iron. What this ruling really means is that the agreement between the municipality and the community was not valid - and both parties were at fault in making an illegal (or non-constitutional) agreement. Personally I believe it is a very sad day for South Africa and for our legal system because it means that municipalities cannot negotiate with community leaders for anything that is not within the building regulations. So we are back to the standard of 5 families sharing one enclosed toilet as specified by the ANC central government.

      moiraine - 2011-04-29 19:12

      I think that the DA have learned a valuable lesson here actually. Never bargain with a community or group.It would be nice to think you can but unless you do exactly what is stipulate, there are always one or two in the group that will ruin it for everyone else. Rather give exactly what is mandated and no more, then you cannot be in trouble.

  • grinchSA - 2011-04-29 14:30

    Well in Alex and Diepsloot both ANC areas the residents defecate into buckets and toss it into the river. I have seen this with my own eyes. What is the ANC doing about this? And Why was Malema there? Suppose what comes out of his mouth is what goes into the toilet and the minister of sport? Since when is a toilet a matter of sporting interest? Is taking a dump a national sport now. These ANC desperado's are grasping at the only thing they can, which is a toilet. You know you've hit rock bottom when you are fighting over a toilet. And our tax money pays for these buffoons to travel to the cape to hear judgement.

      POLLENYS - 2011-04-29 14:35

      Very well said. Only in Africa.

      Lennox - 2011-04-29 14:48

      I have seen the same thing happening. At least the toilets in Khayelitsha are connected to the sewerage system and won't be flowing into a river. THey have a problem about privacy but don't care when they stop along the side of the road and defecate/urinate in full view of the motorists!!!!!

      Carl Muller - 2011-04-29 15:14

      And our tax money pays for the DA's lawyer.

      pop101 - 2011-04-29 15:25

      Well Carl, it's actually the Cities lawyer, which in effect are allowed to use tax money for court cases made against it.

  • bakkebul - 2011-04-29 14:30

    I must say that I feel let down by the DA for allowing this issue to escalate to the point where the ANC (ANCYL!!!) is going to score a huge amount of political brownie points just before the elections. In fact, I’m down right the moer in!!

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:33

      Kindly refer to my comment below, or re-read the articles thoroughly. The ANCYL perpetrated the destruction of the toilets being built by the City of Cape Town and are thus, solely to blame for this matter.

      bakkebul - 2011-04-29 14:42

      Taurusaurus, do you honestly think it is going to come over like that in the press? Malema is going to milk this for all it's worth and the unfortunate uninformed masses are going to believe every word he says. The DA should have seen this coming.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-29 14:54

      hehehehe...you said "brownie points"

      bakkebul - 2011-04-29 14:57

      Good one braveinternetguy - didn't realize it when I typed it!!

      Lana123 - 2011-04-29 15:32

      Anc13thDisciple - you made a typo, you wrote DA instead of ANC.

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:41

      The ANCYL and ANC played this story well, they will probably try to stop the city again in fixing it.

      clark - 2011-04-29 16:23

      - @ bakkebul - The DA acted responsibly and with fairness in this issue. I think the judge has erred in this matter . Nonetheless , the anc have shot themselves in the foot with this one. Countrywide the people will now demand more enclosed toilets and the demonstrations will be plentiful. So who's the real winner ?

  • Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:30

    "Two weeks ago members of the ANCYL demolished tin-and-wood structures the city was putting up around toilets to give people privacy" - so this is the ANCYL's doing. Then why should the DA face ANY prosecution? If a criminal uses dynamite or C4 to cause damage to a bank, is it the bank's doing that it was half destroyed???? The bank did not try to destroy itself!!! Please people, wake up!! The ANCYL are barbaric children who need to be disciplined!!!

      Rover_ZA - 2011-04-29 14:50

      I think that the ruling relates to the legality of the toilets that the DA actually installed, whether by agreement with the community or not. The fact that they installed illegal toilets and were not able to ascertain the legality of this before doing so is disappointing to say the least. The ANCYL destroying or inciting the residents to destroy the toilets should be a separate case of destruction of government property, however the DA should still be held accountable for their part in this, as has been done.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 15:15

      The toilets installed were legal; the articles and reports clearly stipulated that they were agreed upon by the community leaders in those districts, and approved, the same as with many hundreds and thousands of other toilets of similar construction. The ANCYL fabricated a tale to impress upon others the false notion that the toilets weren't "bulletproof", and that it was "undignified" for individuals to use, regardless of the fact that the toilets were still under construction at the time. The City of Cape Town Council has planned re-development in the area(s), which is why they declined to establish brick & mortar ("bulletproof") toilets as permanent facilities. This is likely why some only see half the picture, and misunderstand the context of the situation.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-04-29 15:25

      Before the ANCYL became involved, open toilets had been erected. This is the fact that the judge would be deciding on as everything after the fact doesn't change the basis for the trial. Thereafter criminal acts may have been committed and should be investigated, but these do not have any bearing on the original case.

  • Jannie Theron - 2011-04-29 14:32

    So this is the standard for the WHOLE country now. No open toilet anywhere. Seems like an ANC own goal to me.

      pop101 - 2011-04-29 14:45

      This outcome can easily put the ANC in the hot seat. What about people still using the bucket system, or the 1000's of open toilets in ANC run municipalities. What if some party takes the ANC to court, the president has been set. The DA tried to be innovative and help people, but it backfired. What the people with the Zuma T-shirts don't realize is that from now on, they will probably have to be happy with standards set and promulgated by the ANC (housing policies etc.), which we all know, the ANC themselves can't keep up with.

  • Pfffft - 2011-04-29 14:33

    I am deeply shocked by this news. I hope the DA has learned not to ever again "go the extra mile" for these advantaged beggars. I will never trust a court of law in this country again.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:40

      Zulufox, how is Pfffft being racist? He said "advantaged beggars". There is no mention of skin color. Whites can also be beggars, or don't you have a car so that you can drive past traffic lights and see them standing there begging? Anyone can suffer from poverty. Next time, don't jump to conclusions. A different skin color doesn't automatically make you a racist. If you think that is true, then you're just ignorant. :)

      AndreA - 2011-04-29 14:46

      Agree!!!!

      Rover_ZA - 2011-04-29 14:54

      @Pfffft Whether or not they went the extra mile for these DISADVANTAGED PEOPLE is irrelevant. "Going the extra mile" doesn't earn you immunity from the law.

      Pfffft - 2011-04-29 15:00

      Methinks the ANC could now be sitting with a huge can of open worms. Zulufox, you condemn yourself by wishing my death.

      n2o - 2011-04-29 15:04

      @Pfffft: Do you call building open toilets 'going the extra mile'? I don't even want to know what the general practice for service delivery is in your standards. The only lesson that the DA needs to learn from this is that know and understand the law and conduct their business within the confinements of the law.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 15:18

      @ n2o, please read my primary comment in this article, explaining that the toilets were agreed upon by the community leaders and city council, destroyed by the ANCYL who demanded permanent brick & mortar toilets, despite the fact that the City of Cape Town council intends to re-develop the area.

      Pfffft - 2011-04-30 11:59

      n2o, you obviously do not keep yourself up to date with current affairs. Enlighten yourself with the facts before you comment.

      Pfffft - 2011-04-30 12:03

      http://www.polity.org.za/article/da-statement-by-helen-zille-democratic-alliance-leader-on-the-toilet-saga-05042010-2010-07-05

  • zulufox - 2011-04-29 14:34

    Simple logic. The DA could easily have closed off the toilets and apologised to the public. Now they have this stinking issue hanging over them going to the election... I'd say their reputation has been bruised a little... How do you explain building toilets with a view... and only for black people? The DA has to admit, their judgement was a bit flimsy this time around... and everybody will move on!

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:37

      zulufox, please be so kind as to read my primary comment in this article pertaining to the ANCYL, as reported, being the culprits behind the destruction of the under-construction toilets at the time. Thanks :)

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 14:41

      @Taurusaurus, I can not go on what was reported in the (DA-biased) media... A High Court judge has more credibility...

      AndreA - 2011-04-29 14:45

      What must they apologise for. For providing free toilets??? It is time that these "only for black people" like zulufox, start working and paying for facilities, and not get them for free.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:46

      News24 is owner by a company with no affiliation to any political party, so how do you mean that it could ever be a "DA-biased" media company? If that were true, they would not have reported all the articles factually, and this one too, would have shown them lying to make the DA look good all the time. We saw that the City of Cape Town refused to establish permanent mortar toilets. That doesn't make them or the DA look good, but here it is, in News24, so what you said cannot be true. News24 doesn't favor any political party over another. :)

      V. Zela - 2011-04-29 14:48

      @zulufox Why do we have to lie to get political mileage?

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 15:01

      @henk maritz, I don't debate with people like you who prefer insult over cool discussion. you are like a 2 year old with brain tumor...

      Rover_ZA - 2011-04-29 15:11

      @zulufox You see insults as more favourable to comments wishing harm on people? Maybe you've put yourself too high up on your pedestal to maintain any objectivity?

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:45

      Next time the people can perhaps think of paying for your own toilet, too many people in these poor areas don't look for work.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 15:45

      @ Zulufox. Who are using the bucket toilets in Grahamstown, which is under ANC administration? On the Freedom Day march in Cape Town on Wednesday, Vuyiseka Dubula of the Treatment Action Campaign said "It is the day we celebrate 17 years of liberation and we are discussing a basic right = sanitation - it is not a privilege. It is tragic so many years after our liberation that 10.5 MILLION PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY do not have access to water and basic sanitation - that goes against humanity. We want to remind THE GOVERNMENT that our constitution allows us the right to life, dignity and safety". Is Vuyiseka Dubula a spokesman for the 'DA-biased' media as you call it? Or is he honest in acknowledging that the problem of inadequate sanitation is also prevalent in areas under ANC control? It is obvious that this toilet saga has been a case of hypocrisy and double standards from the start. The DA negotiated with the community in good faith when they agreed to build one toilet for each household. Possibly in hind sight they were naive to trust the community, although 96% of the community did enclose their toilets themselves as they agreed to do. The destruction of the toilets by the ANCYL and this unnecessary court case is why the DA are now adhering to the national norm of one toilet to be shared by 5 households. So what really has the ANCYL achieved?

      tanrack - 2011-04-29 15:53

      zulufox, what do you think about this: "Now, a new toilet saga is ­bubbling in Viljoenskroon’s ­Rammulotsi township in the ANC-run Moqhaka municipality, which includes much of northern Free State and is based in the town of Kroonstad. When visiting Rammulotsi last week, City Press’ sister paper Rapport encountered one open toilet after another. Some of the toilets were built as long ago as 2001 but were never enclosed by the municipality" from http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

      Pfffft - 2011-04-30 12:08

      Your "High Court Judge" is an ANC lackey :(

  • heebeejeebee - 2011-04-29 14:36

    The best thing the DA can do is to simply put up those toilets IMMEDIATELY. Come on DA, show us you can get the job done. There is a lot of mileage the DA can still get from this episode.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 14:42

      Please read my primary comment in this article, as it highlights the fact that the toilets were in the process of being constructed when the ANCYL themselves demolished the toilets, unfairly demanding the establishment of brick & mortar toilets as permanent facilities, despite the City of Cape Town Council planning on re-developing the area. Thanks :)

      heebeejeebee - 2011-04-29 14:59

      @ Taurusaurus. You are missing the point here. If the DA want to set itself apart from the pathetic ANC leaders, then it will abide by the rule of law and accept the court ruling. If the DA has a problem with the ANCYL who destroyed the toilets, then the DA should press criminal charges against them. I am a DA supporter and am disappointed in how they handled this whole situation. This happened on their watch. I don't care how many other people in the country have to sh$t in the bush in other ANC controlled areas, because it has absolutely no bearing on this situation. And besides, they got what they voted for.

      Taurusaurus - 2011-04-29 15:06

      @ heebeejeebee. I realize that was the situation, and looking at it from both sides of the coin, the DA's perspective may at the time have reflected on the fact that they would essentially be "giving in to terrosist demands", as the ANCYL's actions reflected. I agree with you 100% that the DA should have pressed charges (or perhaps they did and we don't know about it), and persevered on improving the situation. That way, the ANC wouldn't have had anything to complain about and would have looked even more foolish for complaining about a few toilets, when their service delivery is so appalling. :)

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:48

      The City might most probably not be allowed by the ANCYL to put it up as it suits the ANC, maybe they must do it this Sunday.

      tanrack - 2011-04-29 16:00

      The other part of this is that if the area is earmarked for re-development, spending money on something that will be redone is ineffective management of the funds they have available. They should have maid their plans more transparent and should have put it in public view sooner.

  • v3 - 2011-04-29 14:37

    Judge Nathan Erasmus - isn't he the one Rasool used when he set up an unconstitutional and unlawful commission to try to undermine the DA? Must be "transformed", in ANC-speak. I wonder why Judge-President Hlophe named him to hear the case.

      BigMoose - 2011-04-29 15:07

      Erasmus also had an axe to grind with Zille for reporting him to the JSC. No wonder he ruled against the City, and said nothing about the ANCYL demolishing the enclosures. Could an unbiased judge be appointed to review this crappy ruling?

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 14:39

    Nathan Erasmus = ANC crony. He was the inspector of prisons too, who let Tony Yengeni do as he please. Erasmus and Ehrenreich are drinking buddies too.

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 14:42

      I like how the DA people attack the judiciary system when things don't go their way, unfortunately in so doing, they forget to deal with what is at issue here...

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 14:48

      Attack? I just stated a fact. JZ loaded the judiciary with his cronies ages ago, and if I had know Judge Erasmus was hearing the case, I would have known the outcome earlier. What I do agree with is that the DA could have handled the issue better, rather than have allowed it to be heard by an ANC sympathising judge. It's equally pathetic that Erasmus did not have the integrity to postpone his judgement until after the local elections, which he should have done regardless of the decision.

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 15:05

      "ANC sympathising judge"... so a judge who does not offer a ruling that favours the DA is "ANC sympathising" ... listen to yourself man! it does not make sense what you are syaing... they ANC could have said the same if the ruling did not go their way... So, do you think it was okay for the DA to build unenclosed toilets for the people?

      BigMoose - 2011-04-29 15:05

      Erasmus also had an axe to grind with Zille for reporting him to the JSC. No wonder he ruled against the City, and said nothing about the ANCYL demolishing the enclosures. Could an unbiased judge be appointed to review this crappy ruling?

      OuWitBooi - 2011-04-29 15:40

      @zulufox - like many others here I am very disappointed by this ruling, but I would genuinely like to understand your point of view. You say that "the DA people forget to deal with what is at issue here". In my opinion what is at issue here is that the municipality and the community agreed to build 5 times as many toilets as required and that the people would enclose the toilets themselves. Clearly, in your opinion this is not the issue. I really would appreciate it if you could explain what is, in your opinion, at issue here. It is only by explaining our own points of view, and by listening to each others' point of view, that we can ever start to understand each other and work together.

      Kent007 - 2011-04-29 19:52

      @zulufox. And how Winnie "attack the judiciary" in the hate speech case with Malema. Take the

  • Two Cents - 2011-04-29 14:42

    i feel the anc is bitter about the good work the da has done in the western cape and most da ruled areas, so now they hold on to this one sad story. i feel for the guys in Khayalitsha but really, instead of ONE toilet for FIVE FAMILIES, they built them ONE for ONE famaly, all the Cape Town government asked/agreed with the local community is contribute to their own wellbeing and build four small walls around your OWN TOILET. i feel the courts did not get it right. the ancyl hamstringed the cape town munisipality when they did try and fix the problem. in the last two local munisipality elections i have come across more of a smear campaigne by the anc than lift their game can just do what they promised in 94. they have the means.

  • AndreA - 2011-04-29 14:42

    I wonder waht would be the reason for this perculiar judgement. Were there not an agreement that ever house should get an open toilet, to be enclosed by themselves, rather that 5 families share a toilet. Can the Judge or some legal person please answer this!!

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 14:52

      I am sure Erasmus knows he did a naughty, but the damage is done. If the DA tries to appeal his judgement, it will look like more sour fruit. Zapiro should do a cartoon of Judge Erasmus taking a dump on Lady Justice.

  • mlungisi - 2011-04-29 14:45

    Looks like they were saving for the election campaign!

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 15:56

      Yes, mlungisi, we are really looking at the dirty face of politicking now.

  • Pfffft - 2011-04-29 14:45

    Many, many thousands of unenclosed ANC toilets DO NOT violate the dignity of residents??

      Mizer - 2011-04-29 14:48

      ??????

      pop101 - 2011-04-29 14:53

      And thats my point. Tit for Tat, the president has been set. Good luck ANC.

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 15:09

      errr... the ANC isn't at trial here... it's the DA...

      freedom - 2011-04-29 15:09

      of course not the anc can do what they like its acceptable. Its when the DA does somethingthe ANC will go out of their wayto discredit it, they are not interested in buildinga nation butrather lining their own pockets! they have lost the vision that their leader had for the country!

      Pfffft - 2011-04-29 15:12

      Mizer, the toilet situation in ANC held municipalities is much worse than in any DA area.

      n2o - 2011-04-29 15:12

      Facts please and not puffed up and vague comments like these.

      tanrack - 2011-04-29 16:08

      @n2o, "Now, a new toilet saga is ­bubbling in Viljoenskroon’s ­Rammulotsi township in the ANC-run Moqhaka municipality, which includes much of northern Free State and is based in the town of Kroonstad. When visiting Rammulotsi last week, City Press’ sister paper Rapport encountered one open toilet after another. Some of the toilets were built as long ago as 2001 but were never enclosed by the municipality. " from http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-29 16:11

      @zulufox valid point. should be time the ANC were put to trial. The precedent has been set.

      Wonderboy - 2011-04-29 18:19

      @n2o I think you got it wrong, it is H2O. unless you had sh*t in mind.

  • Snakepit - 2011-04-29 14:45

    The full story - The toilets were build, but before the cubicles could be build to cover the toilets, the ANC supporters broke 51 of the toilets. So Cape Town said they will not rebuild the 51 toilets and then the court case started.

      n2o - 2011-04-29 15:16

      Not correct sir? An alleged agreement was made between the community and the city. The city was going to install the expensive parts of the toilets and the community had to enclose the toilets by themselves.

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:55

      You are both correct, apparantly the community changed its mind in enclosing the toilets, when the city started the enclosing it was not good enough according to the ANCYL and they demolished it.

  • warickw - 2011-04-29 14:47

    I need some clarification here, to my understanding the DA held meetings with the council leaders of Makhaza, Khayelitsha and in this meeting it was discussed that the DA would erect X amount of toilets with enclosures or 2 x X amount of toilets without enclosures. The representatives of the Makhaza, Khayelitsha people opted for the toilets without enclosures and the community would put up there own enclosures. If this is the case the only people to blame are the people from Makhaza, Khayelitsha.

      Happy-go-lucky - 2011-04-29 15:07

      unfortunately, with the way that this country has been governed and the masses that have had their brains turned into lab-rat style...the 'poor' can NEVER be blamed. The ANC have not played fair games...the DA did the right thing.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 16:18

      The DA agreed, after negotiating with the community, that they would build one toilet for each household. However, due to budget constraints they could only do that if the community agreed to erect their own enclosures, which they agreed to do. The national norm is one toilet to be shared by 5 households. The requirement was for about 1300 toilets and 96% of the toilets were enclosed by the owners as agreed. When the DA discovered that 51 toilets remained unenclosed, probably because the owners could not afford the materials, they erected zinc enclosures which were then destroyed by the ANCYL who demanded brick enclosures. The reason the DA did not originally enclose all toilets originally with brick structures was 1) budget constraint due to extra toilets provided and 2) it was the intention to incorporate the toilets into permanent dwellings at a later stage therefore it was necessary to erect temporary enclosures in the meantime so as to avoid unneccesary expenditure. The thing is nobody in the community was forced to use open toilets because communal facilities were available. After the ANCYL destroyed the zinc enclosures, the DA removed the 51 toilets as well pending the court decision, so that there would be no 'open toilets'. Because of these problems they are now adhering to the national norm. Apparently not all the Makhaza community supported the ANCYL's destruction of the toilets but were intimidated by them and some of their leaders.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 16:24

      I forgot to mention that after the interim court decision, the DA was told to rebuild the toilets and zinc enclosures, but the construction people were threatened by some in the community and could not gain access to the area in safety.

  • craig - 2011-04-29 14:48

    "Judge" Nathan Erasmus is a ANC supporter, no wonder he ruled in favour of the ANCYL ---> http://mg.co.za/person/nathan-erasmus. I really hate these people!!!

      n2o - 2011-04-29 15:25

      Correction. Judgement was passed based on the constitution and evidence presented before the court and not by political affiliation. That is how the law works. Study to show yourself approved my friend. What do you mean "these people"?

      craig - 2011-04-29 15:44

      Oh really? is that how the law works? like when Jacob Zuma rapes a woman but doesnt serve time? or when tenders get reworded to families and friends within the ANC? or when corruption gets swept under the rug? you mean that law? Why dont you read up on how "judge" Erusmus got his job in the first place. And by "these people" i mean you and people like you!

  • JustinD - 2011-04-29 14:50

    Yip this is what happens when you try to do a deal with the devil. Give a hand and he takes your whole arm.

  • Anton - 2011-04-29 14:50

    All you commentators are revolting TROLLS. I really wish .24 would mediate so that we can be saved all your drivel. It is really sad that you lot are the so called 'future'... God help us

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-29 15:05

      So go away then, if you don't like it here. There are many discussion forums on the net, and I'm sure you'll find one that suits your particular taste, where people only say thing you like to hear.

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:57

      Ha Ha, this is democracy to have different opinions. Maybe we should rather discuss the 2 recent weddings?

  • Lunguza - 2011-04-29 14:52

    In life when you have made mistake you must say sorry and possibly explain why you did wrong. ANC makes mistakes and DA makes mistakes. At the end of the day we vote for a party we feel comfortable with irrespective of their mistakes. But I must commend the IMPARTIALITY of Western Cape High Court!!! Also perhaps it is better to be patient and wait for the appropriate moment and do a full job, at athe same time rid our municilapities of any trace of corruption that still exists back from the days of apartheid.

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 15:59

      Maybe DA feels sorry for trying to give every house in these areas a toilet, not like the rest of SA where it is suppose to be 5 families a toilet. Beggers should not be chosers.

  • Wow! - 2011-04-29 14:52

    1000 Toilets? Yet the DA erected 51 without enclosures. Who did the rest. The ANC?

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 15:15

      The deal was that the City (not the DA) would build the toilets, which the residents had to then enclose themselves. All but 51 out of the 1000 complied, which is about the same ratio of support for the ANC vs the DA in the area.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 17:37

      Sir Eidolon, yes what many people don't realise is that the Cape Town City Council comprises members from all political parties, not just the DA.

  • Wollie - 2011-04-29 14:54

    Now is the time to take all the ANC ruling munisipalities to court for not delivering services.

      Gungets Tuft - 2011-04-30 12:57

      Starting here http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

  • GreatSA - 2011-04-29 14:54

    This is all a ploy so that the ANC can look good (if that's possible) before the elections. ANC play dirty, yet again. Smear campaign

  • derkus - 2011-04-29 14:56

    1,000 toilets?

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 16:09

      This is a huge area, not many of them are working.

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 16:15

      DeonL: the toilets or the people?

  • JohannV - 2011-04-29 15:00

    WHY? WHY should the CITY, which is US, the residents and tax-payers, PAY for toilets for people who don't even pay tax or vote for the DA? WHYYYYY? What do WE get for free in return? How about no crime, no drugs, no littering of graffiti in those neighborhoods?

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 16:11

      Ha Ha, at least we have some place to ride our bicycles according to Tony

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 16:29

      JohannV, I really don't object to my taxes being used to provide facilities to the poor because I believe that everyone is entitled to their dignity. That is my personal feeling anyway, but I detest the hypocrisy and double standards involved in this issue.

  • rix.wallace - 2011-04-29 15:02

    a huge farce is all i can say, clever electioneering politics though

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-04-29 15:04

    To be fair, it was never a case that they could win. But, the ANC will never admit that the DA is doing more for the poor than they ever did.

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 15:12

      Yeah. And they've just about had all the mileage out of the toilet saga they will get. It's amazing to see that all the ANC has to pin their hopes on are a few lavatories...

  • shakie - 2011-04-29 15:08

    Most people comment like kids hence they claim intellect.DA fault, irrespective of what the ANCYL did - period.Until the forum understand that a fault is a fault whether from DA or ANC, then peace will never be attained.Here, we shouldnt be saying what the ANCYL did or didnt, we should be indicating whether DA has mechanism to rectify the error so that those who thought DA was good in WC, can salvage some dignity and still vote for them, but IDIOTS, all they do is point ANCYL error - u people lack internal locus of control.Accept the judgement and correct it before it is too late.for Vote purposes, just like Zuma went public that he will revisit the counsellors list - Zille must go public and proclaim that she will revisit the toilet issue to win some dignity, not to be so low and blame it on ANC because her voice will never surpus that of Malema, but her actions can if she be INTELLIGENT - and SMART.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 17:47

      The thing is, shakie, that they DID try to rebuild the toilets and enclosures but some people in the Makhaza community chased the construction workers away. Will they have to go in with police escorts now? The only 'fault' of the DA was that they trusted the community. There was no problem until the ANCYL intervened.

  • 50something - 2011-04-29 15:08

    What is the real story? Surely no-one in their right mind would have built toilets without enclosures. Was there an agreement somewhere that the community would do the rest, or was it a case that the community is again waiting for government to do everything for them?

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 17:49

      The community agreed to erect the enclosures themselves so that they could have more toilets than the national norm.

      Pfffft - 2011-04-30 12:20

      http://www.polity.org.za/article/da-statement-by-helen-zille-democratic-alliance-leader-on-the-toilet-saga-05042010-2010-07-05

  • motsokwane - 2011-04-29 15:13

    The ANC-youth have just out battle the adults-DA,what does it say about the capability of Hellen,Patricia and their crew? useless.

      werner.coetzer - 2011-04-29 15:22

      Do me a favor and just sit one moment and really consider the potential of a country where 2 equally strong opposition parties battle each other for the presidential position. Where they KNOW if they don not deliver they WONT win. Can you imagine what that would mean for your living conditions and mine? Just seriously consider it, thats all I ask. Forget prejudice for a moment and think Utopian, cause thats what we ALL should strive for.

      motsokwane - 2011-04-29 15:34

      Werner, DA will never match the ANC,we are still waiting for a party that will bring about the changes you referring to.And I'm afraid it won't be in your or my life time.Reason being we are too negative and negative,simply we repel each other.

      werner.coetzer - 2011-04-29 15:42

      Then be the change you want to see in others. Why can't the DA become YOUR party, it'll take alot less resources to change their mindset if you talk to them about concerns instead of trying to create a brand new party and out of what? A faction that breaks away from the ANC like COPE did with all that infighting as a result? If you and I can have a civil discussion about our differences having never met, and I'm betting way different backgrounds, what prevents a another revolution (and by that I'm mean a radical change of mindset)from coming over this nation and actually being able to SEE that change in our lifetime?

      schmurtle - 2011-04-29 16:01

      The ANC youth need to focus above toilet level if they want a future. they should pass school then judgement. or is that so new school?!

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 16:13

      small victory, but the battle is far from over.

      Gungets Tuft - 2011-04-30 12:58

      Oy, Motso - what are you going to do about THIS then? http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

  • gizzy - 2011-04-29 15:15

    I wouldn't be celebrating too soon ANC. This court case has set a precident and I hope the communties up north take the ANC councils to the cleaners!!!! ha!ha!

  • zulufox - 2011-04-29 15:16

    Read: http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=9401 ... The DA has accepted the ruling, best you all DA fans here do the same and we can all move on to a great long weekend! You sound so pathetic trying to defend a bad judgement made by the DA in the first place... There is so much hate for black people here... so much it is disgusting!

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 15:21

      They have accepted that Judge Erasmus screwed them, yes.

      pop101 - 2011-04-29 15:30

      Yes, I've read it...what a brilliant response from the DA.

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 15:35

      "We also note the order to enclose the toilets. We have tried to do this on several previous occasions and each time enclosures were destroyed by the ANC Youth League. We will, however, try again"

      Mbelo - 2011-04-29 15:39

      Hey Zulufox my brother.....If you want to see hate against all people of this great nation then go to the Sowetan website- thats real racism! The zulu's hate the xhosa's and visa versa and they all seem to hate whites too! Go check out the comments on that site and then come back here and make a comment! Peace!

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 15:40

      @henk maritz, hiccup? why do you repeat everything you say?

      iamasouthafr - 2011-04-29 15:46

      You promote hatred you CHOP!

      schmurtle - 2011-04-29 15:54

      Zulufox, opposites attract are you flirting with the DA website you little peeker you!you might just end up their speaker. nothing like a true convert.Enough toilet mouth!!

      DeonL - 2011-04-29 16:15

      Great, I hope the ANCYL also accepts the ruling and don't brake down the cities work again, it used to be you brake it you bought it, but not in the poor areas.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 17:55

      Yes, zulufox, the DA would accept the court ruling because they respect the law. As for hatred towards black people? Yes, I'm sure some are guilty of that, but I suggest you go to the forums on www.sowetanlive.co.za. There you will find equally disgusting hatred towards white people. I don't condone hate speech but you must be fair in your judgement of people, irrespective of their race.

  • RIMRIM - 2011-04-29 15:16

    The ANC didn't even build any toilets at all when they where in power in the WC.

      n2o - 2011-04-29 15:27

      Yes, the DA showed them!

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 18:04

      Actually they built more than 4,000 open toilets in Brown's Farm, Phillippi, but also to be enclosed by the coummunity. That is what I mean by hypocrisy and double standards.

  • JF - 2011-04-29 15:17

    So the DA made a mistake and are going to rectify it.... How many itmes has the ANC messed up and done nothing about it? How many times are ANC members bust for coruption, Fraud etc ? so the DA made 1 mistake ,whoopy doo... there is not a calculator big enough in this country to add the mistakes the ANC has done.

      50something - 2011-04-29 15:26

      It is called politics

      WITBUL - 2011-04-29 15:46

      @Anc13thDisciple. Do you think we give a toss about losing the WC? All it means is that you and your brothers in the WC will suffer like the rest of the country under the ANC rule. Me, I will be sitting in my comfortable 5 bedroom house which is fully heated by the way, watching you lot suffer through the winter because you choose incompetence. Enjoy comrade!! Retard!

      WITBUL - 2011-04-29 16:00

      I really hope you are the person to turn up an try. Let this boertjie quickly show you a thing or two, looks like you and your brothers forgot that a small minority like us ruled you for 350 years according to you.

      craig - 2011-04-29 16:07

      @Anc13th-asshole - I hope you try and skop us out, come to our colored community and see how far you'll get.

      Buzzbar - 2011-04-29 16:30

      To ANC 13th... I think you may be greeted by Messr's Smith & Wesson at quite a few houses if thats your plan... You may even get to meet an old gent called John Moses Browning or the German duo Heckler & Koch.

      JF - 2011-04-29 16:52

      Anc13... your comments just show how stupid and ignorant you are, you say the DA is not perfect anymore? When did they ever say they were? as for the ANC who say they are perfect and let the country down ( not one province but all of them )each and every month. You even steal from your fellow "comrades"... also maybe you need to re-look at the education the ANC gave you cause as you say " this is a bog mistake"... unless you refering to the bog and the amount of kak you speak... then i agree to your spelling "mistake"... and you can gladly take land and houses , cause you cant afford them anyway and you will just break it and mis-use it like everything else in the country... its people like you who know nothing about Unity and what the people of this country..black, white, coloured fight for regardless of the "party" they in.

      Gungets Tuft - 2011-04-30 12:59

      http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANCs-open-toilet-shame-20100711

  • VM1 - 2011-04-29 15:17

    First the Cape toilets then the afriforum case - I have a feeling it will go the same way.

  • Notuagain - 2011-04-29 15:20

    A good time for someone to lay a charge with the SAHRC against the ANC for not providing ablution facilities in many other settlements around our country. Their human rights are also violated. I'd far rather see tax money spent on toilets than funding parties, flights to visits girlfriends in prison and fancy hotel bills. The state of our rivers and sewerage treatment plants is a disgrace.

  • patch - 2011-04-29 15:22

    Irrespective of what agreements were struck before the toilets were erected, this was an obvious outcome. Let's hope the DA at least faces up to it, and makes sure this doesn't happen again. And maybe highlight some of the ANC's failings just for good measure - just to show all politicians are fallible.

  • Mike Hoxbig - 2011-04-29 15:26

    The good news is that the precedent has been set, and the ANC will now have to deliver brick-enclosed toilets to the rest of the country.

  • Pierre - 2011-04-29 15:26

    Judge Nathan Erasmus is a loyal ANC cadre. This is the guy who accepted the appointment from then-Premier Ebrahim Rasool (the guy who pays journalists for favourable coverage) to head the "Erasmus Commission of Inquiry" against the DA. A commission which was later found to be unconstitutional and politically motivated. It is disgusting that this ANC party henchman was allowed to hear this case.

  • mev - 2011-04-29 15:31

    I'm sick to death of sugar coating everything I say. Pi$$ing in the streets while I have my little girl in the car with me isn't degrading? Dropping your pants and building the ANC member base in an open patch of grass, viable to passers by isn't degrading? I bet the rent a crown doesn't even live in that area. I live in JHB, an ANC run region and I tell you what, go to the Cape for a week or two, come back to JHB and if you're 100% honest with yourself you'll admit that we live in a dump. Get your priorities right. Start working for what you WANT and stop demanding things other people have worked for. Stop shagging like bunnies and stop having more kids than you can afford. Stop making deals with the city when YOU can't uphold your end. Stop with the whole entitlement mentality the ANC has brain washed you with. Stop with the double standards. And any trolls reading this: _|_ kthnx

      henk maritz - 2011-04-29 15:43

      I like.

      Pfffft - 2011-04-30 12:29

      Well said and the truth.

  • Kim - 2011-04-29 15:36

    If I'm not mistaken, the ANCYL was the guilty party in this whole ordeal. The residents had a choice - they could have the toilets built into their houses or outside on the following basis: inside would reduce the m2 of the rooms or ouside but then they would need to enclose the toilets themselves. The RESIDENTS chose to have the toilets outside and then ANCYL came along and destroyed all the toilets because 51 families forgot what they agreed upon.

      motsokwane - 2011-04-29 15:54

      Kim, as a leader you need to advice your followers.Do you or Zille know anything about the millenium goals?

      spacemonkey - 2011-04-29 16:40

      @Kim You ARE mistaken. The ruling acknowledged the allegation that ANCYL members had destroyed the toilets and it was noted that they would have to face the consequences for those acts of vandalism. But, whether the temporary enclosures were destroyed or not had no bearing on the ruling. The ruling did not agree with the DA's claims that the residents had agreed to enclose the toilets themselves. It found that the residents that there was insufficient communication with residents, they had not been made aware of costs or implications of the decision and they had been pressured into accepting the agreement out of fear of not receiving any toilets at all. The ruling also noted that the agreement was supposed to a temporary measure, but that the toilets had still not been replaced with permanent structures more than THREE years later. It acknowledges budgetary constraints, etc. but found that the DA's plan to replace the temporary structures (and the implementation thereof) were inadequate.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-04-29 17:36

      Is it not irrelevant if the practice of building open toilets is inherently illegal? Therefore the DA should not have even tabled this proposal or accepted it if proposed by the community. Let's not lose our collective cool on this though, it was a mistake which the DA have had the good sense to accept and are moving on. The interesting point here is whether the ANC will react as swiftly when the communities they are responsible for realise that they too can take the matter to court.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 18:08

      mmmm, not quite correct, Kim.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 18:14

      @ Rover ZA. Agreed, sensible comment. I hope they have learned not to make agreements which are difficult to uphold in a court of law. It is a pity, though, that their acting in good faith has had such unfortunate consequences.

  • pensioner - 2011-04-29 15:51

    @ Anc13thDisciple--I see that you are already in heaven as promised by your "leader" Zuma. Where have I missed the earlier evidence that the residents were asked on what would they prefer the money available to be spent--on better toilets, which they could enclose themselves, or an enclosed toilet of a downgraded standard. They chose the latter and it was only when the ANC Youth League got involved and stirred up the emotions, that the trouble started. This about-turn is typical of our ignorant masses such as the 13th Disciple.

  • Henry - 2011-04-29 16:01

    How much did the anc pay the judge to get this ruling? They must look at the original arangement. Then the DA put temp sink coverings around the toilets, then the anc broke them down, then the court case. How much did the judge get paid??

      zulufox - 2011-04-29 16:04

      in a court of law, it's not what you know... it's what you can prove

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-04-29 16:21

      Yeah. Those people stay in cardboard houses, but they want brick outhouses. Clever. Now there will be 51 guards sitting on them too.

      Pierre - 2011-04-29 16:23

      They didn't have to pay the judge. Nathan Erasmus is already a well-known ANC loyalist. Google "Erasmus Commission of Inquiry" and see what I mean. How did a politically-charged case end up getting allocated to a judge who is an ANC loyalist? Simple: the person in charge of allocating cases to specific judges is the Judge President, John Hlophe. A racist d**khead who hates the DA with a passion.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-04-29 18:26

      @ zulufox. You are right. Their intentions were good but they had insufficient proof of the agreement.

  • LionF - 2011-04-29 17:04

    Cape Town has long passed the stage of seeing things according to colour, it is done through delivery and promises kept. Do South Africans still see things according to colour, where? South Africa are people of Character. Julius, please learn from the masters. Do you remember Madiba, a Real Man and Martin Luther King, Jr. Surely even Little Julius remembers them Never, never and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another. Nelson Mandela I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  • VivaSouthAfrica - 2011-04-29 17:34

    This is infact a huge VICTORY for all South Africans with open Toilets. I wonder if the DA did not maybe play hardball wanting a court case only to loose it deliberately to have a president set which can now be used to FORCE the ANC to comply in the rest of the Country.

  • Old dog - 2011-04-29 19:05

    Put Malema in the toilet and flush the water

      Fanie - 2011-04-29 19:50

      Ag nee sies! dit sal nou 'n drol in die drinkwater wees