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Controversial painting: ANC serves court papers

2012-05-18 23:17

Cape Town - The African National Congress (ANC) on Friday served the Goodman Gallery and City Press Newspaper with court papers over the controversial painting, The Spear, a depiction of President Jacob Zuma with his penis exposed.

Party spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said the court papers are seeking to interdict both parties from "displaying and exhibiting on their website or any other platform including the online channels the offensive and distasteful so-called portrait" of the president.

"It is our view that the continued display and exhibition of this so-called portrait will continue to be an affront to the dignity and the privacy of President Zuma in all his capacities but also as a South African whose right to human dignity and privacy is protected and guaranteed by the South African Constitution," he said.

The matter between the ANC and the two respondents will be heard by the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg on Tuesday at 12:00.

"We resorted to this urgent court application because our plea to both the parties, who are respondents, of removing this offensive so-called portrait fell on deaf earns.  An urgent application to the High Court was then the last resort."

Earlier on Friday, the Goodman Gallery said it would not remove the painting.

"We feel it is censorship to take the image down," gallery spokesperson Lara Koseff said.

The ANC earlier sent the gallery a letter from its lawyers demanding its removal. The ruling party also wants an image of the Murray painting removed from the City Press website.

The newspaper refused, saying it would leave it to a court to decide.

Koseff said their attorneys had informed the ANC the painting would stay. The gallery had stuck by its artists during and after apartheid, and still supported them.

Although the opinions of artists were not the gallery's, it welcomed the discussions that accompanied works such as Murray's.

Visitor numbers had increased significantly since the ANC demanded the painting's removal. A guard with a bulletproof vest had been posted at the door as a precaution.

Comments
  • Bruce - 2012-05-18 23:35

    The gallery is laughing all the way to the bank. If Zuma and his henchman just retreated with dignity and ignored it, it would soon be forgotten. All they are doing is drawing attention to themselves and the picture. It has been reported on BBC already, Let's face it, Zuma's lifestyle just about begs for something like this!

      Sechaba30 - 2012-05-18 23:44

      This is not right, why did this man expose the President's genitals and on top of that enlarge it?

      Peter - 2012-05-19 00:39

      Sympathy vote for corruption and ignorance?

      infijar.ken - 2012-05-19 00:52

      Sechaba30, hahahahahahahahahahaha! Brilliant, I like it.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 08:30

      These people that advocate this as Art are fools and expose their lack of depth. One must question if the Image was of Aunty Helen with her ""Bits "" exposed, I for one would be against this as well. This artist deserves a long walk off a short plank. This Government and the President are continuously referred to as a Dictator.....WAKE UP...If this was a dictatorship, this driveling artist would find himself in one of RSA's finest Penal institution.

      david.baker.sa - 2012-05-19 08:45

      @Tamaranui You may be missing the odd point and also getting another fact wrong a) it's not my idea of art either but I don't think you are I should have any say in defining what art is or isn't b) There are no laws to censor art and if there was one it would be unconstitutional. Our constitution, which is a good one, has special protection for freedom of expression especially as it pertains to art c) a lot of people are complaining about the implied meaning of the art. But we don't know what the artist meant. It is everyone that is inferring the meaning b) if auntie Helen had her bits exposed in a satirical painting then I would voice the same feeling about the protection of the freedom of expression. The difference is I suspect that Auntie Helen at the most would say she doesn't like it but she wouldn't run to the court c) by the way the people calling Zuma a dictator are part of the ANCYL who are all ANC members (or all except one who is now an ex member having being expelled)

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:04

      This sort of entertainment is welcome in the West where low moral values exist. This is NOT entertainment in RSA as all South African cultures hold themselves to a higher standard. All we want from the West is advancement in Living standards. They can keep lack of satirical culture . Hopefully the younger generation realizes that Our Cultures are far better than any Western culture. Drive their cars and enjoy their technology however beware not to dilute our culture with the worst of what the West has to offer

      mike.clery - 2012-05-19 09:28

      @Kalawa - I'm pleased you made that point. Judging by the reaction, it appears that the average IQ of SA minorities has dropped 30 points in the last few years. The fact that things like this painting ARE seen as an insult to African culture, regardless of whether "we" think that it's not, seems to escape us. And then for some reason "we" believe that hurling further insults at people is going to convince them that they're wrong and "we" are right.

      Anthea - 2012-05-19 10:08

      I don't see what the fuss is about: the artist was honouring the hardest working and most enthusiastic member of parliament.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 10:15

      @Tamaranui right now I see only South Africa with low moral values. In Western Countries not almost every women is raped, babies are raped and mutilated, and you have a President that sleeps with the daughters of his friends. This is from the web page of the United Nations: "South Africa has some of the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world." Tell the moral high grounds to the 500.000 women and 67.000 children that are raped in South Africa annually - whilst the president of the Republic runs around with his pants around his ankles and has taken NO stand against this violence that tears apart South African society!

      Pagel - 2012-05-19 10:18

      @Tamaranui: I have a Western culture - with you on this one that this is disgusting. This is not freedom of expression - that would mean I can do the same to anybody in SA (surely freedom of expression does not only apply to the president)? This is purely out there for shock value - and an artist that cannot make it on skill, so have to "be different". Where do we go from here? - start painting pictures of people masturbating, having sex and hanging it in our galleries calling it art rather than porn - that would be freedom of expression as well - right? I can go on, but when a society can no longer understand that there are moral boundaries and have a sense for where these are it is late in the day. The thing is - most people with some sense of morality will likely agree with me, but the average commentator on these forums will not - so let the thumbs down come - this is not a popularity contest - I am merely trying to voice some reason. Once read the following quote: "There is right and there is wrong and the two are very distinct if you look straight at them." Forget about grey - is this right or wrong? I'd like to bring up my kids to understand that this is wrong.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 10:38

      @ Mike, You are a detractor so your opinion is null and void. This article is about what is acceptable in RSA society and this tripe is Not. A question, Would you hang this sort of Art in your home....THINK about it.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 10:59

      @Tamaranui - no I would not hang this in my house. Now to what is accepted in South African society. You are telling me we should all accept the rape of children, babies and women; it is also seemingly acceptable in South African society that the head of the AIDS Council has unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman and takes a shower; it is accepted in South African society that the President of the Republic has more wives, and children of them plus fiancees and love children from them than several football teams combined? That is a fundamental problem within our society its display or lack of. We have to have a President that displays moral values; and takes a stand in sexual violence and educates people about the dangers of HIV/AIDS and not is the main actor in all of it; and as it seems now also in a painting.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 11:08

      Mike, Rape, corruption and all that you speak of is also not acceptable in this country....Educate yourself on what are criminal acts. These perpetrators of these crimes are charged and if found guilty are routed to a Penal institution. As far as the President's personal life , it is just that ...PERSONAL. He may have a thousand kids and due to our Constitution this is not a criminal act. View RSA through African eyes and NOT European eyes. If that's the only view you have inherited , then unfortunately you are on the wrong continent.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 11:20

      @Tamaranui - of 100 rapist 5 get convicted. And no the Presidents life is not personal - he is servant number one in any country; particularly a democratic one; hence he should lead by example in a country where many people will follow his example; as being President means whatever you do is in the public interest and in public view; he should even be a bigger role model in a country where many uneducated will not make their own judgement. And that is the fact of life regardless of African, American, European or Asian eyes - it is called morality; and if one does not display it; one is not fit to hold that office and/or needs to respect the consequences that come out of it.

      gouws2 - 2012-05-19 11:35

      keep 0n singing kiII the b0er z0000mer, winning aI0t 0f friends there!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 11:39

      @ Mike, Amazing how morality from your ilk's perspective has such a fluid ability. Utilize or not recognize this phenomenon as the event dictates. We are a young democracy and we must ensure all the faults of older democracies are not duplicated here. Who is fit to hold office is no longer for the minority to chose via their corrupt political views. Viva my President Viva.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 11:48

      @Tamaranui I shall not go into your comment "minority to chose via their corrupt political views" as it shows your principles of democratic understanding or lack thereof. Just on a side note the exhibition where this painting is displayed is called "Hail the Thief II" I guess that is to the "corrupt majority that enjoys self celebration".

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 12:04

      Mike, Firstly, I understand Democracy better than you are I have experienced it for the last 18 years, Thanks very much. From your Ivory tower you do not see the progress... Here on the ground the evidence is plain to see. Once you detractors wake up and smell the roses , you will see the progress as well.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 12:15

      If you would Tamaranui you would refrain from making comments like this "View RSA through African eyes and NOT European eyes. If that's the only view you have inherited , then unfortunately you are on the wrong continent." and "Who is fit to hold office is no longer for the minority to chose via their corrupt political views." - as my views as a citizen of South Africa can be any views; and that is democracy. And I might remind you to paragraph 9 of the constitution: "The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth." And sentence should be foundation of anyone who has democratic principles.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 12:32

      Mike, Remind the detractors then you may speak to me. The fact is that this issue shows the differences between the RSA cultures. I have visited homes where the guy's naked wife's picture is hanging on the dining room wall. Certain items are acceptable within the confines of one's private property however in the Public arena this image only lowers our Moral standards to those of the West. We don't want No GaGa's here flaunting their bits to the public,thanks. Unfortunately you are NO one to me and I will continue to Post my comments without Bias.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-19 13:08

      Shame, the ANC will have to sue everybody that exposed zuma in a painting after this. Poor Ayanda Mabula. That will teach them not to paint such disgusting things...

      sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-05-19 13:41

      Satirical works and art have been happening since our earliest history, unfortunately if I look at the picture the artist has painted he has done well in depicting his subjects character. Depicting this subject as a champion of the people or a virtuous worker to this country would be untrue. If you took someone like the Pope or Mother Theresa and drew genitals on them and the Stalin communism stance we would all agree it is distasteful as it would be untrue. The point is has the artist lied in his work or did he hit the nail on the head? Unfortunately for our President this is how most citizens see our president which is based on his actions and lifestyle. Sorry...

      seymour.howe - 2012-05-19 15:30

      If I were Zoom-Zoom- Zooma, I'd be most honored particularly as there is considerable enlargement depicted in the Painting, everyone's walking around saying " Did you see the Big Prick?" - Everyone's seen it on the internet so it's a bit late to prevent people from seeing it. As for Zoom-zoom's right to human dignity and privacy - well I think everyone agrees he lost that in the shower!

      carpejugulim - 2012-05-20 07:16

      Sechaba good comment! The reaction from the ANC smacks of a double standard though because Ayanda Mbulu painted the prez with his dangly bits supported by a crutch and Bishop Tutu in the altogether in 2010 and nothing was done about it then ... why the uproar now???

  • Christo - 2012-05-18 23:42

    hey Zuma, at least they gave you a big one ;)

      John - 2012-05-18 23:57

      And they were generous - they left him 'hanging'... :) it's an inaccurate depiction!

  • gesigboekie - 2012-05-19 00:44

    To ANC & Gallery,is this painting really worth all the stress and bad publicity? I don't vote for ANC or condone Zuma's behavior,but really, what can be gained by displaying such a disgusting painting?

  • Mohubedu - 2012-05-19 01:21

    SA s 2 democratic.datz s so disgustng n disrespectful.

  • manie.vanwyk.12 - 2012-05-19 01:27

    THERE IS NO NAME, NO NAME ON THE PICTURE,,,,,, if the shoe fit put it on.

      Jan - 2012-05-19 15:29

      agree. I say go to court, tell JZ to pull out his slong and if its not the same size.................... case closed

  • Lukhanyo - 2012-05-19 02:33

    wish I could have seen that mshini

  • Blip - 2012-05-19 03:30

    The Constitution specifically guarantees the unimpeded right of artists to depict what they like.

      mike.clery - 2012-05-19 08:39

      It doesn't.

      Ali - 2012-05-19 08:55

      I find it really worrying that, judging by public comment in general, people don't seem to appreciate what wonderfully symbolic moment this should be. Can you imagine a similar painting of PW Botha in the 80's? No? These rights, such as Murray is exercising, are exactly what the struggle was supposed to be for.

  • Carl - 2012-05-19 03:38

    First of all, where in the painting does it state that this is Jacob? Second of all, are the measurements of the "spear" in scale to that of Jacob? If so, WELL DONE SON!!! If Jacob feels that it is him in the painting, then 'OBVIASLY'he feels guilty about something right? Childish little F**ked up goverment!!! Eish, Shame!? Why not focus on the people u still owe all the things u promised!!!!!!!!! Fu**ing LYARRS!!!!!!!!

      koos.vandermerwe.92 - 2012-05-19 06:46

      He want to feel important. That's why he think it is him. Perhaps he sees himself like that. You can put him in a suit but you can't hide the nature of the beast.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:11

      ...doesn't the fact that the company did not deny that its him saying something to you? ANC said "you have violated JZ right to dignity" and they say they have a right to freedom of expression. JZ brought it to himself by his spate of sexual relations incidents. A sane mind can deduce that they agree the painting portrays JZ unless one is ridiculously in denial.

  • Carl - 2012-05-19 03:41

    And now, if the ANC feels bad, then buy the painting. At least then u give back some of the billions that u stole from the public. Corruption is a disease. ANC=African National Corruption!!!!!

  • Nicolaas - 2012-05-19 03:44

    @sechaba30, the MKvegetarians has been incorporated into SAPS and if you had read the news, 27 000 cannot shoot, get it?

      Tshepiso - 2012-05-19 06:58

      I agree with you nicolas

  • Carl - 2012-05-19 03:49

    Guess What, if the ANC, once again thought before acting, there would'nt be any publicity!!!! But now they admitted to it being old zuma. And everybody's got the pic! HAHAHA, Internationally! HAHAHA!!!

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-19 04:33

    Yes, ANC up in arms after the the world saw the pic. Next time you wake up, it would be the first. Stop wasting tax payers money.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:17

      ANC is not using taxpayers money. have your facts straight.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 10:11

      Yes, do tell. Where is all the money coming from.

  • Wayne - 2012-05-19 06:11

    @Sechaba30 - since the tax payer is paying for the upkeep of JZ's numerous wives, concubines and offspring, his penis is definately not a private matter, but is certainly within the public domain.

  • Keith - 2012-05-19 06:32

    Complaining now is a case of "too late"; but not "too little"!

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-05-19 06:41

    lets wait for the outcome of this case

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-05-19 06:51

    I don't see what all the complaints are about. He is depicted as a Well Hung Warrior. If it was a scrawny little spear. That would be demeaning.

      Florence - 2012-05-19 07:12

      U r right Greg a Warrior with a super ever-ready masculine spear...

      tshepo.terence - 2012-05-20 00:37

      hahahaha.

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-19 07:16

    I wish this sense of urgency could also be applied to service delivery.

      Adil Smit - 2012-05-19 07:17

      And to justice for victims of rape, murder, child sexual abuse.

      koos.vandermerwe.92 - 2012-05-19 07:46

      My case is dragging on for 8 years.

      mholthuysen - 2012-05-19 10:20

      And to the 500.000 women and 67.000 children that are raped annually.

  • Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-19 07:16

    Just show the small mentality of the anCancer. They can make noice of a painting that proof there is no respect of this country headless leader but they can't make the same noise for the big coruppted party's thiefs. Please step down mr usless president to prevent this country more shame!!!!

  • Kykweer - 2012-05-19 07:23

    If the way the ANC treats disgustingly stupid ministers is anything to go by they should be happy if they could manage to get the painting sent to another gallery.

  • Armand - 2012-05-19 07:23

    How quick do the ANC get of their backsides now to act. Just a shame they don't do the same with serious issues!

      mpho.c.moreki - 2012-05-19 08:02

      Ja,It only took 24 hrs to serve city press and Goodman Gallary with papers.I didnt know that ANC is capable to act that fast.city press please hold zuma randsome, put up that painting on the website, streetlight poles and everywhere possible until Zuma and ANC attend to the most critical issues in the country.

      Mbavhalelo - 2012-05-19 08:13

      Are u a fool dis is a serious issue and dis artist must b taken 2 a mad house

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:07

      Oh come on! His toti spends most of its life outside his trousers anyway

  • Patieluv - 2012-05-19 07:24

    Lol, this is not the 1st painting that depicts the spear of JZ, therz anatha 1 by Ayanda nton nton

  • nntosh - 2012-05-19 07:36

    Even if JZ was not the Resident, that is totally wrong, imagine if it was ur father's photo, what will u be saying. Lets not make jokes about serious issues knowing that ayisoze ithandwe nanguwe xa inokwenziwa ngabanye abantu ngawe.

      vernsm - 2012-05-19 07:48

      Funny its wrong when displayed in art form, what is it when Julius announced it on National TV calling people \thing\, \monkies\, and \cockroaches\. And for one if our president did not use his tool loosely, this wouldn't have been necessary, but he brought this on himself. Sorry, no sympathy from me for him.

      mikenortje - 2012-05-19 11:12

      @NNTOSH do you understand the concept of Freedom of expression. If this was a picture of Hellen Zille with her bits sticking out would I like it well NO, would I put it up in my house well NO, would I think it's disgusting well YES, I would not even think it was good art ...... however the constitution give the artist the right to produce it and show it where he wants. Freedom of expression is an absolute not only when I like the art. To take this to court is pointless and will make the lawyers rich and waste the courts time, rather use your wallet and don't go to the gallery and don't buy City Press.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-20 11:06

      My father would never have behaved in a way that would have made someone satirize him with a penis painting. He had 1 wife, 2 children and gave his life for this country.

  • Alan - 2012-05-19 07:40

    it is a known fact the zuma thinks with his penis, so displat it !!!!!

      Langa - 2012-05-19 07:53

      Uyabheda wena...penis think now????

      angel.mukhwantheli - 2012-05-19 07:59

      Alan what is wrong with you, Zuma he is an elder how can you say that about your elder, despite the violation of right to dignity what this people did is wrong why not just paint him without revealing his private part. Alan RESPECT YOU DONT SAY THAT ABOUT AN ELDER OR ANY ONE FOR THAT MATTER OKAY

      sydney.matubandlela - 2012-05-19 08:13

      Alan, you are an idiot, period!!!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 08:43

      Why does Zuma not behave like an elder? His Behaviour is disgraceful. He brought this on himself.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:22

      @alan, ....and that same person you call him your president. what does that tell you about yourself?

  • nhlanhlass - 2012-05-19 08:00

    When someone can humilaite our President like the way they did clearly this reconciliation its not working us bring back the spirit of Harry Gwala and Peter Mokaba.

      Liz - 2012-05-19 08:44

      @nhlanhlass. I understand where you are coming from. The attitude displayed in so many of comments has actually filled me with both anger and such sadness. As you say the reconciliation that so many of us believed in and worked hard to support - is now just an empty term that has been totally discarded. Many of these comments come from people who though being non African claim they belong here and see themselves as "Africans." They are not - they have no understanding that self respecting "Africans" do not indulge in this kind of disrespect of elders and the scoolboy toilet vulgarity that they have displayed. They do not know the damage they have done!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 14:28

      Liz, another thing, black boys and men have no regard for women, so this snooty attitude is misplaced - for them to be offended by the painting is just hot air. One moment they are shaking fists at him because he's taken yet another wife and the next they're defending his morality and dignity. You don't suddenly acquire dignity and respect because you become president - he has neither. He does not treat his own people with respect. Could you ever imagine Oliver Tambo having to deal with this issue? No, he was educated, dignified and highly respected.

      Liz - 2012-05-19 16:46

      @Bless (1) - I find the painting in poor taste and offensive. We are a multicultural country grappling with a number of transformation issues. For a singnificant section of our population this picture is very offensive and in my view sets us back in our efforts to heal our fragmented and fractious society.

      Liz - 2012-05-19 16:59

      @Bless (2) Luckily for me I do quite a bit of work in the gender sector and I am aware that this will offend African men and women alike... and I understand why.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-20 11:03

      Liz, are you saying that we as a nation must overlook Zumas excesses, and still "pay homage" to him even though he has proven himself to be unworthy of such respect? What president ( who is worthy of his position) who comes from such very humble beginnings will allow his people to suffer the most extreme poverty and deprivation - when he himself lives in the most extravagant luxury and indulges in unnecessary excesses? Do you respect that? Do you believe that with all his family responsibilities - 4 wives and more than 23 children and who knows how many lovers, that he actually has time to run the country properly? If you have answered yes to any of the above, then I would really like to know why. I have just 1 spouse, 1 child, 1 home, 1 car and I actually have difficulty balancing it all.

  • nhlanhlass - 2012-05-19 08:00

    When someone can humilaite our President like the way they did clearly this reconciliation its not working us bring back the spirit of Harry Gwala and Peter Mokaba.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 08:41

      The prez humiliates himself. Why did the artist do this in the first place?

  • mariuskowie - 2012-05-19 08:14

    If the ANC gets to destroy the zumadick art, it will open the floodgates to declare any media they feel is counter revolutionary to be destroyed. Remember the book burning the Nazis had before the atrocities kicked into top gear. Small innocent looking steps is how you willingly give up your freedom. When you realize what is happening, it may just be too late.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 08:36

      Please we are not Nazi's ...those were Europeans...We are Africans

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 08:39

      The sentiment is the same.

      mikenortje - 2012-05-19 11:18

      The sentiment is exactly the same Mr. Tamaranui, but how very ANC / Cosatu of you to solve all of SA problems with violance.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 11:44

      Yeah, who taught us these violent tendencies.....NP, AWB among others however this has nothing to do with this lowering of Moral standards.

      mikenortje - 2012-05-19 13:26

      OK Mr Tamaranui, so because the AWB / NP were violent that makes it OK?? Again I have to say how ANC / COSATU of you solving your problems with violance, seriously are you 3 yrs old. So with your logic because the NP was corrupt so it's OK for the ANC to be corrupt ...... what happened to a better life for ALL .... not just people you agree with ..... you know what that makes you??

      mikenortje - 2012-05-19 13:32

      Mr Tamaranui what does your acceptable level of morals have to do with Freedom of expression. The constitution allows Mr Murry to create this piece of art and display it as he sees fit. The Freedom is absolute and not only for people you like. What happens if next week a ANC artist makes a picture of Hellen Zille with her bits sticking out, should I be calling for it to be censored or banned ...... well absolutley NO, it is his freedom of expression even though I would find it offensive. My right would be to ignore it and not support the artist and gallery. Not threaten the artist with violance in Orania. The sign of a mature democracy is the level of tolerance.

  • Konanani - 2012-05-19 08:16

    Murrey have how many securities?

  • Melanie - 2012-05-19 08:16

    one can interprete the painting in many ways. 1. The painting reflects the well known fact of breading and spreading of aids/hiv pandemic of this country because majority of the citizens always f**king.

  • john.m.mcdowall - 2012-05-19 08:21

    You've all missed the point here. Simply put, another extreme waste of taxpayer's money for Zuma to have his day in court.

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 08:33

    This sort of entertainment is welcome in the West where low moral values exist. This is NOT entertainment in RSA as all South African cultures hold themselves to a higher standard. All we want from the West is advancement in Living standards. They can keep lack of satirical culture . Hopefully the younger generation realizes that Our Cultures are far better than any Western culture. Drive their cars and enjoy their technology however beware not to dilute our culture with the worst of what the West has to offer.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 08:50

      In the west the average president of a large country does not produce 23+ children from 13 different mothers and continue to philander when he has an harem of wives. Do not talk about low moral values. South Africa is the rape capital of the world, check facts before you attempt to whitewash the prez. He has no morals and many of his followers have neither scruples nor morals. If he did not have a reputation for bedding lots of women, this issue would never have come up, are you proud of his Behaviour? Many black people are not and many white people are disgusted by his shenanigans.

      albevdm - 2012-05-19 08:57

      So... You have no problems with the west as long as you can parasitize them. Makes sense, in an African mentality kind of way. A westerner would have been ashamed to even utter such words, never mind believe in them.

      Peter Zylstra - 2012-05-19 09:07

      Look at Africa....do you call that culture? Having a shower after an illicit sexcapade is that culture? wake up!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:11

      @ albevdm, You do have the wrong end of the stick , don't you??? More like the other way around , The West has and continues to pillage every culture outside Europe to ensure they have First world standards. The West needs RSA more than we need them......Checkout the economics.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:16

      Bless, We are not the WEST. Our President can have a thousand kids that is his personal life and according to the constitution , He is not committing a crime. Why does this irritate you ??? He does have Morals.....Look into the mirror and see whom does not contain enough Moral fibre. People like you are the problem, yous continue to grade RSA through European eyes. There is the Fatal mistake. Learn our own cultures before bleating rubbish on the net. It exposes your lack of education regarding this country.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 10:06

      I know a lot about our country and it's culture. The reason I find the presidents Behaviour unacceptable is because we have to pay for it. Where do you think the money comes to pay for all his wives, mistresses and children? That is money that could have been spend on houses, food and medical facilities for your people. Every time he takes on another lady and whatever related responsibilities it's a further burden to the country. The very people he promised to uplift are the ones that are still suffering hardship. Do you not care that this is happening? It seems I care more than you do.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 11:45

      Bless, We had to pay via our taxes for a corrupt NP government. At the very least here you have a vote.

      Patsy - 2012-05-19 12:00

      The fact that we are the rape capital of the world is a higher standard than that of the Western world? I take it that is a bad joke?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 12:01

      ? Please answer my question

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 12:10

      Bless, As I have indicated you are unaware of the progress already made. I have no issue with the President's wives and kids, That's his personal life. I do have an issue with this so-called artist appeasing the anti -ANC regime. For this he will pay the price....

  • Willem Anton - 2012-05-19 08:40

    This is not a painting of mr Zuma because there's no shower head painted over his head

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 10:00

      Actually Willem I do think the painting resembles Vavi much more than - don't you think? If it was suddenly revealed that it is in fact Vavi, I wonder what would happen? :p

      Willem - 2012-05-19 10:37

      mmmm, you've got a point, on second thought it could resemble Vavi.

  • Pat - 2012-05-19 08:46

    Just show the anc cannot face yhe naked truth

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 08:47

    Look at the dynamics of the Poster advocating the rights of this debacle. Is this the RSA we want for our kids.......No and Never. If this is where RSA society is heading then NO Thanks. Our Cultures are being infected by the distasteful Western thinking.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 08:52

      Culture? Corruption, theft, rape ... Oh that culture.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:07

      One has to ask considering your take on RSA Why are you still here ?? Is Life such a tribulation ??

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:14

      Because this is my home. I was born here, my parents before them and so on, x 11. The fact that the land and it's people are being abused by the government makes me sad, but I believe that it can come right if the poor governance can be controlled. There is a place here for each and every one of us - I just think that some people want more than their entitlement and are greedy.

      sabelo.xaba1 - 2012-05-19 09:18

      He is still here because RSA is a great country and yes we have problems.... Everybody has problems, but its the attitude of the people that must change in order to improve RSA. Such a depiction of the president is precisely western culture.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:30

      @ Bless, People like you and some others are part of the problem with your Racial rhetoric.Never recognizing the accomplishments just complain about the failures. If you really are a real RSA Patriot...think about whats best for RSA and book that ticket, Thanks.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:31

      @sabelo, spot on. and these people are not going to implement western culture in our beautiful land. we need to take action against them. they are ruining the possibility and the vision of growing cultured, disciplined, respectful children.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:52

      You're dreaming, beautiful land? Have you been to your town lately, have you hit a pothole, is your water and lights account correct, have you tried to swim in the sea with maybe a small cut and had it fester almost so you have to have your hand amputated? The country has turned into a cesspit. It's heartbreaking. But it's still home to many whites who believe that there is hope it will recover its former beauty. Unfortunately African culture needs to catch up - one does not per or poo or slaughter goats on the beach, or throw bottles, wrappers out of your car window, or just leave the remains of your lunch on a bench or pavement, not flush a toilet when you've been, steal the toilet flush units from public toilets, take what is not yours, rape a baby or woman who does not want you, break into other peoples homes and take their things, kill someone for a cellphone - these are things that occur every day - things that spoil our beautiful country - things that make us sad, because they don't have to happen. If you disagree - tell me why.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 10:46

      @ Bless, This is our beautiful country.....You have exposed your feelings towards RSA, which is quiet frankly as disgraceful as this so called Artist. He ain't even original , just pandering to the anti-ANC regime. The detractors like yourself seem to think this was the land of milk and honey ( well this was for a sector). From where I come I see huge progress. People have homes , Kids are now being educated among other things. So the road to Purgatory has a few potholes.....so what??? The important issues are being addressed within the confines of available funds. Help in the transformation....What have you done????

      Willem - 2012-05-19 10:57

      To late to cry about the western thinking or culture. The Western and Eastern thinking/culture already invested you country and your own lifestyle. Do you have a cellular phone? Do you have a computer? Do you make use of Facebook? Do you have a microwave? Do you have a TV? Do you have a car? Do you have a stove? Need I say more?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 11:13

      Like I indicated earlier, Technology no issue Immoral Culture................NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO

      tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-05-19 13:10

      Tamaranui - how many years have you actually lived in SA (or should i rather ask, how much of your life have you spent in SA), your speech appears to come from stats, the news and what you've heard. Let the people who actually live in SA their whole lives (both black and white) have their opinion.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 13:41

      Tamaranui: you still have not answered my questions. Why? Because you cannot? Or will not. All you're doing is deflecting them with other questions. I do plenty for black people and don't have to justify my existence. I earn my keep and don't prey on the innocent in order to make a living - which is more than I can say for this government!

  • asivhanga - 2012-05-19 08:49

    You talk of Julius Malema being disrespectfull raising important issues about some few changes in the country. Now the painting, that is what you'll get for worshiping this pink, red or yellowish people.

  • Florence - 2012-05-19 08:53

    True (real life) stories do come out as MOVIES shown in CINEMAs. ZUMA in this instance is projected in an ART form shown at the GALLERY. It all started as an IDEA around the world we live in!

  • Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-19 08:59

    Just take it down

  • chris.greenland.9 - 2012-05-19 09:05

    The incompetence of legal advice to government and the ANC continues to be displayed, at very turn. The relief sought has to be denied just on the brutum fulmen test. What this means is that a court will not grant an order that cannot be enforced. There is just no way that this picture can be prevented from being displayed all over cyberspace.

  • tambela911 - 2012-05-19 09:05

    This is sad, if the artist was ever exposed in the same way he exposed our president\r\nHow wud he feel??? Do unto others as you want other 2 do unto u.. Very sad

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:09

      You'd probably find the artist would expect to be "exposed" if he behaved in the same way. People are just tired of Zuma's excesses.

  • sabelo.xaba1 - 2012-05-19 09:06

    At the end of the day, fact remains this painting is a step too far.... In western culture this is acceptable as the peoples moral values have degraded along with society. But in South Africa no this is not part of african culture it shows lack of respect and great disregard of our own president and by that the country which he represents..... Yes the ANC is a crappy government but our government nonetheless. And to depict the president in such a manner is just a step too far, its unpatriotic. You can analyze the painting however much you want and try to justify it. But fact remains, its offensive to most people. The painting must go.....

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:42

      Agreed,

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:15

    I personally feel the painting is totally beyond respecting others and grossly violating JZ constitutional right to dignity as a citizen of the country. It further undermines the Presidency Office and the ANC as JZ is the President of both. I hope the court will do the right thing and rule against the artist. Then, ANC must sue the bastard and have him banned from practising in any painting work.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:35

      If the prez behaved himself this would never have happened. It's a matter of cause and effect. Simple.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:50

      I guess it all goes the same way with ET hatred of black people; His brutal murder by those two blacks is justifiable because his behaviour was cruel against blacks.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:57

      Comparing a satiric painting with a brutal murder is asinine.

  • Hannes Truter - 2012-05-19 09:18

    Is this really more degrading than elderly people been murdered...

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:26

      is it really sane to compare degrading to murdering? I doubt so.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:39

      In a way, it is. Look at the fuss the painting has caused. Farm murders have hardly raised a ripple. The prez's toti is much more important than all the farm families lives that have been lost.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:44

      Oh there is crime in RSA (This is worldwide phenomenon) hence we must degrade our cultures to suit Western wackos...NO THANKS.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-19 09:54

      @Tamaranui, I'm with you 100%. we can't and we actually wont allow these selfish opportunists to turn our country into a "western idiots playground".

      aspruyt - 2012-05-19 09:54

      siyadyosiba - May 19, 2012 at 09:50 Report comment I guess it all goes the same way with ET hatred of black people; His brutal murder by those two blacks is justifiable because his behaviour was cruel against blacks. There you just compered the two in your own comment above...

  • lizonia.stellenberg - 2012-05-19 09:24

    Mr Zuma is the president of SA and it is absolutely disgraceful that we can so easily portray him in this disgusting manner.We need to show our utmost respect at all times for our president irrespective of what our perceptions and opinions of him might be.Remove the damn picture man

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:44

      Agreed,

      gavin.dandridge - 2012-05-19 18:27

      Why? He is no different from the rest of us. He can't be immune to criticism, untouchable egos is what leads to corruption.

  • Kevin - 2012-05-19 09:24

    Now if only the anc could have the same reaction to crime and corruption, we could actually have some progress. Hypocrisy at its best. The painting is very fitting... Called as it is seen. pr1ck.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:44

      Plick above,

  • georgebrightons - 2012-05-19 09:27

    Please President Zuma send the artist to Zimbabwe for a month, his life will never be the same again. I won't be surprised to see a picture of naked corrupt Zille or De Klerk. This is really bad. Is this white culture?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:33

      George, you'd be most unlikely to see the portraits you mention, the people in question's behaviour has not earned them that special recognition.

  • georgebrightons - 2012-05-19 09:28

    Please President Zuma send the artist to Zimbabwe for a month, his life will never be the same again. I won't be surprised to see a picture of naked corrupt Zille or De Klerk. This is really bad. Is this white culture? Racism at it's best.

      Zenzile Tshanda - 2012-05-19 09:45

      Mr zuma has been through hell and he will survive this one as well. let's see who will be the last man standing.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 09:46

      Let's make that a year in Zim for this Non-Original Artist.

  • Alex - 2012-05-19 09:31

    Everyone (parliament) claims the painting is disrespectful to our president, but the way he runs our country is disrespectful to the people ... You reap what you sow, dumbA$$

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:37

      Thank you Alex. Agree 100%. You reap what you sow.

      Richard Mbiba - 2012-05-19 10:34

      people as u guys always preach to us to 4gt the past apartheid regime tht has caused black people to luz their love ones and opportunities, but u guys are unable to forgive Zuma. thats y most of us cant forget apartheid, as a punishment of tht i will never in my lyf vote for DA or anything tht i thnk it relate to those who have brought apartheid in SA.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 13:27

      Apartheid ended18 years ago. In the years since many white families have died, not because of political uprising but because of murderous thugs. The hardships now being suffered are because of greed and corruption, not because of apartheid.

  • zaid.personal - 2012-05-19 09:42

    The comment thread on here is disgusting for the most part. Justifying the undermining of someone's human dignity on the basis of freedom of expression is a pathetic attempt at being a liberal. Ask the painter to paint a similar image of his mother or father and let's see how liberal his views will be then. I despise Zuma for the most part, but this is not about Zuma. It's about common decency and respect. Something everyone is happy to claim only when they're the victims of such an affront, but rarely because it's the right thing to do. I agree with the sentiments that the West has very little to offer in terms of culture. So assuming that their superiority in technology and design, and other quirky distractions is testament to their superiority in culture or common sense is ridiculous. This is one time that I pray that Zuma wins this court case because if he doesn't, it makes anyone fair game for perverted artists that are happy to undermine the dignity of unwilling subjects in the name of freedom of expression.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-19 09:53

      Again, I say if he had not earned this it would never have happened

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-05-19 10:04

      Well said Zaid, I hope ANC sue the scum for all his worth! This is uncalled for, its sad to note that they are some parents ululating at this painting - I feel sorry for their kids, shame

      Bibi - 2012-05-19 10:59

      I think 'artist' is being used rather loosely.This infringement of basic human dignity is not art and Mr Murray is no artist.

  • Thabang - 2012-05-19 10:00

    People please help us understand the meaning behind that image.A man`s penis was created by God and all of us males have one.Please also help us understand what is offensive about the image.

      ncmpangase - 2012-05-19 10:10

      Then i believe if you see nothing with it, you will walk naked in town and let everybody see ur dick....

      Zenzile Tshanda - 2012-05-19 10:10

      take a naked photo of yourself showing your penis and post it to News24.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-19 10:34

      Same pose? I'll do it!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 10:51

      Sick westernized fool. Take this or any image of similar provocativeness and hang it in your home for your kids to draw their moral standing. Please wake up.........

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-19 10:51

      Tony , There ain't a brush small enough to get your details on paper....

      Ntobane Setabola - 2012-05-19 11:34

      Zuma is self-displayin his genitals by showin them 2 every lady he gets a chance 2,if he lives up2 200 years half of s.a. Ladies will have seen his dick...

  • Nare James Mashamaite - 2012-05-19 10:10

    The President did everything in his power to be everything everyone sees him to be. Human dignity my foot! Is he even aware he possess one? if yes then why does he go around behaving like a being ruled by instincts?!!

  • FunkyLastic - 2012-05-19 10:13

    When u bored & act like an absolute monarchy, u get aggitated by publicity stunts like this. Lazy, 4king ANC politicians, u make us sick seeing how u abuse what we all fought for & only u, the minority are reaping the benefits. You force us to live from hand to mouth & you have the 4king nerve to call this democracy. Yours day will come & justice will prevail. Long live the REAL ANC, not this farce organization you created.