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Cop bribe survey 'tip of the iceberg'

2010-11-15 11:10

Johannesburg - A Lead SA survey showing that nearly 2 500 people had bribed traffic officers over the past three months was just the tip of the iceberg, the Justice Project SA (JPSA) said on Monday.

"We hasten to add that as surprising as it may seem, the poll has not revealed just how bad things are, even though the figures produced are shocking to some," the JPSA said.

"We would estimate that the results are merely the tip of the iceberg and the problem is way larger than even this poll has revealed."

Primedia radio stations and Independent Newspapers did the survey as part of the Lead SA campaign.

It reported on Monday morning that almost 2 500 people responded "yes", when asked if they had bribed a metro police officer in the past three months.

Most of the bribes were paid in Johannesburg, with 1 889 incidents reported, followed by Ekurhuleni with 387 and Tshwane with 121.

Capetonians seemed to be the most law-abiding citizens, with only nine people admitting to bribing officers.

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Comments
  • sceptic - 2010-11-15 11:35

    The public bribing the cops???? Bwahahahahahaha. I think its the cops bribing the public!!!

  • kevick - 2010-11-15 11:36

    When a cop pulls you over it is only to get a bribe. Even drunk drivers get off if they pay a bribe. This is the country of zero integrity. No one in charge is honest or upright and as we all know its starts right at the top. Hello Banana Republic.

      Sizwe - 2010-11-16 06:47

      And the general public falls victim, even though they pay the bribes?

  • SuperCal - 2010-11-15 11:57

    Welcome to Africa....we now use the prepaid vouchers....its cheaper....when he stops you for speeding and asks for your drivers licence...just hand over a prepaid voucher and away you go....fi fo in Africa baby

  • Greg - 2010-11-15 12:01

    It takes two to tango. The bribe payer and the bribe taker, lock them both up.

      elton.plath - 2010-11-15 12:20

      The problem is when the cops say you are "resisting arrest" or "obstructing justice" then people pay out of fear. Its a sick state of affairs. How does one stay optimistic a an environment like this?

      Greg - 2010-11-15 12:44

      Then register with the Justice Project of South Africa (JPSA) or eBlockwatch who have 24 hour numbers to call immediately after these threats are received. The other alternative is to invest in a good but cheap mini video recorder that looks like a cell phone and start recording the rubbish going down. Check the two organisations above on the internet.

  • Clare - 2010-11-15 12:01

    It would be interesting to see the statistics of how many people were pulled over compared to how many offered to pay a bribe. In Johannesburg, my experience is, if you are pulled over in one of the big Metro Police roadblocks, they are genuinly checking for offences. But if you are pulled over by a cop on his/her own or with one partner, they are looking for a bribe.

      Donald - 2010-11-15 16:46

      I agree with you Clare. I'm all in favour of formalised road blocks. I have been stopped several times recently and have found the JMPD members to be polite and professional. These 'rogue' cops who just pull you over are the ones to fear - I was stopped and an attempt was made to arrest me for drunken driving and he didn't even breathylise me - which if he had he would have known I hadn't had a drop to drink. A very obviously other drunk driver saved the day by diverting the cops attention. What would the outcome have been had this not happened? WTF!

  • dyllon.leigh - 2010-11-15 12:02

    Yeah, its not the public bribing the cops but rather the cops giving the public the opportunity to bribe them. I was pulled over after a night out by 2 police men, they threatened to take me to the police station for drunk driving, i agreed as i believed i was not over the limit, the one cop actually climbed into the car with me driving it and directed me to the police station while his friend followed. He constantly threatened me saying i'd have to spend the night in jail until i eventually said "how much to get ride of you?" and he said R200... i gave him R100 and he climbed out!

  • AJ - 2010-11-15 12:02

    I dont blame people for bribing cops to get off going to the police station. If you safety whilst in custody was guaranteed etc, then perhaps there would be less inclination to bribe. But anybody would rather bribe than be carted off to a polcie station over night where you stand a chance of being raped / stabbed or worse. People are not going to take that risk. Whilst drink driving / reckless driving are crimes to be stamped out, neither of of them are serious enough to warrant getting stabbed or killed in a cell with some violent criminals...

      Snoopy88 - 2010-11-15 12:42

      must say I agree.. The cops just turn a blind eye to what goes on in there. A woman in my neighbourhood was driven around in the back of a van for hours and threatened with spending a night in the cop shop till she paid the bribe for the so-called 'traffic misdemeanor'. And there was a female police officer with them. They dropped her off at home and warned her that they knew where she and her kids lived, if she should ever report it.. Its become such a problem now that eblockwatch provides you with access to their server to record the conversation with the police officer. As the police officer approaches your car you dial in and once the recording is completed the server starts dialing emergency numbers so that someone comes to make sure you don't spend the night in the holding cells.

      Zion - 2010-12-22 08:12

      Snoopy very good I say. Have we reached the state where we must have a police force to monitor the current police force.

  • carelhancke - 2010-11-15 12:06

    Are you only finding out now ? This is old news to the motoring public. The traffic cops deliberately take their time before writing a ticket and in some cases make a suggestion that an amount of money could solve the problem. That is why they are so keen on speed trapping. You see two to three cars parked in the shade beside the road, and the already overweight cops eating and eating Kentucky bribes they received in lieu of them writing tickets. The Kentucky bucket is accepted when the driver does not have enough cash on him. I am aware of two people who paid R1000 and R740 to be let off for travelling faster than 160Kph. I am amazed to see black drivers in flashy cars travelling at speeds in excess of 180 Kph. I personally chased one of them on the highway to see at what speed he was travelling, and I slowed down after reaching 180KPH. because he virtually left me standing. I never see them caught for speeding. the minister of transport is barking up the wrong tree with all his new proposed laws. He should only have a traffic force that do their jobs properly, and the improvement in the car accident rate would go down substantially. But unfortunately the government does not have the capability to listen to good advice because this would emphasise their present incapabilities.

      Sizwe - 2010-11-16 06:54

      Your rant about "black" drivers and government overlooks a simple point, people should not committ traffic violations period! You do not get stopped for obeying regulations I would know, try it sometime you just might be surprised..

  • Andrew - 2010-11-15 12:10

    The last cop did not want to let me go and also did not want to write a ticket. I said I am not paying a bribe so write the ticket. (For talking on cellphone) eventually I just drove off with no ticket, and paid no bribe. Seems doing their job is too much effort nowadays.

  • scott - 2010-11-15 12:15

    its called extortion if offered to be let off for a payment.....

  • Shirley - 2010-11-15 12:15

    We were pulled over by a cop for speeding, my boyfriend wanted to take an "admission" of gulit fine at R 2000 or go to jail rather than bribe the cop - after 1 and a half hours of the cop "chatting" he realised he was not going to get a bribe and let us off with a warning......irritating - thing was him and his buddies only pulled over BMW drivers

      Snoopy88 - 2010-11-15 12:47

      If I was a dirty cop I'd also pull over BMW drivers.. you think you've bought the road along with the car. Might as well grease the cops for the rest of us too! ;)

      Exunitate - 2010-11-16 10:00

      Snoopy88 It's obvious you can't afford a BMW.

  • David - 2010-11-15 12:21

    It is not only the traffic officers, it is the licensing officials and driving schools as well, My Daughter had a licence but needed a heavy duty, EC1 for her work, in the emergency services, before she could get a booking she had to pay R400 to someone in the call centre, at first she refused and could not get a booking for around six months, within a week of paying the money she had a booking and was informed by the driving school that she should have R1400 for the testing official, who made her sign the document before filling in his details, the money was handled by the driving instructor so that there was no link between her and the licensing official, she did however observe the money changing hands. These unscrupulous people are paid to serve the community and excluding their salary, medical aid, housing, and all the benefits the bribes are worth a lot. 10 tests a day at R1400 is R14000 five days a week is R70 000 and work four weeks a month R 280 000 this works out to around 3 million rand tax free a year (R3.25 million if they dont take an overseas vacation).

  • Andre - 2010-11-15 12:33

    Can you imagine what Arto is going to mean to these traffic cop's pockets. "Pay your bribe or else you loose you driver's license!" I can almost see the saliva dripping and greedy little hands being rubbed together!

  • Crocks - 2010-11-15 12:36

    It is not only the traffic officers, it is the licensing officials and driving schools as well, My Daughter had a licence but needed a heavy duty, EC1 for her work, in the emergency services, before she could get a booking she had to pay R400 to someone in the call centre, at first she refused and could not get a booking for around six months, within a week of paying the money she had a booking and was informed by the driving school that she should have R1400 for the testing official, who made her sign the document before filling in his details, the money was handled by the driving instructor so that there was no link between her and the licensing official, she did however observe the money changing hands. These unscrupulous people are paid to serve the community and excluding their salary, medical aid, housing, and all the benefits the bribes are worth a lot. 10 tests a day at R1400 is R14000 five days a week is R70 000 and work four weeks a month R 280 000 works out to around 3 million rand tax free a year.

  • Barry - 2010-11-15 12:40

    Last week I was stopped along the N12 for speeding (133 kM/H. I was told by the lady traffic officer "If you have R100.00 to spare I will not fine you" now who is bribing who?

  • Valkerie - 2010-11-15 12:41

    I was threatened with arrest for asking questions about why I was pulled over.... Needless to say, I didn't have money, but my cellphone was ready to take a picture of the official. He let me go with a "warning" not to be "argumentative" in the future... Laat mens dink ne?

  • kubirske - 2010-11-15 12:43

    Read the comments from Shirley and Andrew. 9 out of 10 times if they are looking for a bribe they will let you off the hook if you tell them to just do their job. If we stop paying bribes two things will happen. We will start obeying the laws because we do not want to pay fines and the cops will not ask for bribes anymore!

  • Smaal - 2010-11-15 12:46

    WOW, this is funny. So a cop pulls you over, you talk a little. He/She tells you he/she is thirsty and is dying for a Coke. So you spot the hard working man/woman a few bucks for a Coke and a packet of chips and then you drive off with something that maybe vaguely resembles a warning. Sound familiar? Come on guys, this is Africa. This is how it’s done here and no amount of complaining will stop this. P.S. I’ve never offered a bribe, one was always “demanded” – resembles extortion not bribery.

  • georgedutoit - 2010-11-15 12:57

    How about catching all the cellphone user whilst driving?

      pikkie.crous - 2010-11-15 13:37

      Or a Lady driver putting on lipstick ,answering a cellphone hold on to the steering wheel whilst turning. Pikkie

  • Brendon - 2010-11-15 13:32

    and the surprise is????? Look at their mentors!

  • Juju Malema - 2010-11-15 13:49

    Why is that EVERYONE except the cops bosses know that 9/10 Metro cops are corrupt. This survey show how easy it would be to snare them. You have to conclude that they dont want to. I wonder why. It seems that Pigspooter is a bigger priority. Fire Wayne Minnaar

      Zion - 2010-12-22 08:21

      Because the cop boss is just as corrupt: See where the ex metro cop boss is today.

  • Johan - 2010-11-15 14:46

    Sorry, what???? We in Jhb are forced by the cops to bribe, for the smallest thing they want to arrest you, or even take your car away. Wait until you're in that position before passing judgement on who is law abiding and who is not!

  • Capey - 2010-11-15 15:43

    Capetonians seemed to be the most law-abiding citizens, with only nine people admitting to bribing officers.This is simply because we dont have any cops in Cape TOwn. They are the useless..

  • Sizwe - 2010-11-16 06:56

    When all is said and done, do not committ traffic violations and you will not get pulled-over! You do not get stopped for obeying regulations I would know, try it sometime you just might be surprised..

      TinyT - 2010-11-16 13:08

      Sizwe, I hate to break it to you but there is a thing called a road block where all cars are stopped regardless of type, colour or regulation.

  • Smanga - 2010-11-16 09:38

    There is always a briber and a bribee (lol) ... Both equally stupid...

  • Dylan - 2010-11-25 11:18

    True that sceptic..It is the metros bribing the public,sometimes I think a roadblock is just there for them to make extra cash..apart from them stopping and seizing of drugs and stuff,thats ok or even drunk drivers and what not..but sometimes they will look all over ur car to find a fine to give you and when you cant pay the fine they want a bribe..Why are the citizens taking a survey..The damn metros should take a survey to see who has accepted bribes

  • Rick - 2010-12-21 23:09

    The cops extort bribes - don't make them out to be victims here. Don't try to pretend that the poor cops are so underpaid that they turn to jelly at the sight of a R20 note. The SAPS is a corrupt insitution. A filthy insititution. The corruption is at 100%. Nothing less.

  • Zion - 2010-12-22 08:06

    I just love the headline: "COP BRIBE SURVEY" It had the impression that the cops were surveyed who were doing the bribing. Mind you, that survey would be very interesting indeed.

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