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Cops fail to divert Marikana miners

2012-09-05 11:40

Rustenburg - Police were unable to prevent hundreds of marching miners from entering Marikana, in the North West, on Wednesday morning.

Five Nyala armoured personnel carriers parked at the town's entrance in an attempt to divert the march, but the crowd pushed its way around the vehicles and continued the more than 5km to Lonmin's Karee mine.

Hundreds of miners started marching from Lonmin's mine in Marikana to its mine in Karee around 10:00 in an apparent attempt to stop their colleagues from working there.

The marchers carried knobkerries, sticks and iron rods and as they marched, sang: "We died because of [President Jacob] Zuma. [Bantu] Holomisa please come and rescue us."

They also carried placards bearing pictures of their dead colleagues.

Police keep eye on informal settlement

Security had been tightened at the Marikana mine in anticipation of the march, with additional mine security guards and police on patrol from dawn.

On Tuesday, about 200 mineworkers met at the Karee mine's shaft 30, and tried to get their colleagues to stop working. Another march was then planned for Wednesday morning.

Police in armoured vehicles also kept an eye on the Nkaneng informal settlement at Wonderkop, near the Marikana mine.

Talks between worker representatives, unions, the labour department and management were expected to resume on Wednesday in Rustenburg.

Workers have been on strike for the past three weeks, demanding a monthly salary of R12 500.

On August 16, police fired on a group of protesting workers near the mine, killing 34 and wounding 78.

Another 10 people were killed earlier that week, including two policemen and two security guards.

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Comments
  • Hemlock - 2012-09-05 11:47

    And the mayhem begins again! These asses don't learn.

      ianon.ym - 2012-09-05 11:57

      Here is the problem - they get away with this - the others will think that they too will get away with their action - SA is now truly on the verge of entering an unprecedented time of upheaval.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-09-05 12:01

      Then thry are going to start shhoitng at the cops again and the cops will again be in the wrong,maybe they have a death wish

      rudi.wet.5 - 2012-09-05 12:02

      Malema said they will die for Zuma. Lonmin workers say they died because of Zuma. Zuma, you sure have a way with people...

      procold2 - 2012-09-05 12:05

      use what ever force is necessary or are the police scared

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 12:15

      Well well well and this after these same workers openly said that they are going to kill the mines management. Guess everyone can see who is in control here.

      wynlib - 2012-09-05 12:19

      Imagine being an investor and seeing that photo: I would not invest a cent in a country where people bring weapons to a negotiation, and the police are to (politically) demotivated to take action!

      klippies.coke.7 - 2012-09-05 12:21

      They come with weapons, threaten the people who show up for work and the police are not allowed to touch them because of politics! WTF!

      lwazi.mgudu - 2012-09-05 12:22

      Hemlock, there are always casualties, victims

      lwazi.mgudu - 2012-09-05 12:22

      Hemlock, there are always casualties, victims

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 12:26

      I say just close the mine, and the miners can get some handouts from Vavi, Juju and Co. There is just not enough intelligence in these thugs to understand the principles of Economics, or that one needs to EARN a living. No such thing as a free lnch. If I was an Investor - SA would be out of the question! If the people chose to suffer, let them suffer. The rest of Africa has already learned what our people still need to learn. A lot of this rests fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the anc, who have only ever made unsustainable and empty promises, while continuing to loot the coffers. And now a GR6 woodworker is the new hero? WTF - let the suffering really begin!

      mike.dufham.7 - 2012-09-05 12:34

      The cops have a short-term memory loss. Let's see if the number 34 dfoes not jolt their memory. Let's make it more, much more

  • sean.carbutt - 2012-09-05 11:51

    Here we go, ding, ding, round # 2 Typical approach, no LOGIC whatsoever. So because some other mineworkers are trying to get ahead and actually work, you lot want to intimidate them and force them into behaving like savages. Mrs Police commisioner, please apply zero tolerance for the savages. Either shoot them or fire them, but FFS do something with them

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:30

      Mrs Police commisioner do something???? Now THAT is a joke!

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-09-05 11:51

    How can they force their way thru don't the police have rubber bullets and teargas and then if that fails real bullets?

      olebogeng.jele - 2012-09-05 12:12

      apparently police are not allowed to shoot or use any kind of force at them, because political parties will be up in arms....again!!!

      shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-05 12:20

      Oops no can do or they will blamed for G&G knows what - mm like murder AGAIN

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-09-05 11:56

    Ag come on... We get this sob story of the poor old miner begging for it's life and how they are the victims but other hand we get stories of them taking muti (or whatever) to attack people and marching with weapons... Moments like these you can really see how primitive these people still are!

      claire.ceruti.3 - 2012-09-05 13:04

      "It's' life"? Really?! Show some respect. You're taling about humans. The correct term is 'he' or 'she' or 'they'. As for primitive and muti, do you pray to God?

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-05 11:56

    Where is Malema who encouraged all the crap?????

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-09-05 11:58

      He's playing the typical dictator. Sipping on Johnny Walker Blue and watching his war unfold on TV.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-05 12:06

      What are the cops supposed to do when confronted by some one with a massive 'knife' and assagai like the one in the picture? Pat him on the head and say good boy???? If they don't shoot to protect themselves strikers like this will cut them into little pieces without even blinking an eye.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:32

      Hey Cliff - if he says "boy" he is going to get nabbed for uttering racist language!

  • richard.t.holman - 2012-09-05 11:57

    Oh well, no work no pay. Go through the proper channels and you'd have an increase and people wouldn't have died. Time to hire some intelligent and qualified union bosses not the left overs from a dead regime.

  • dewald.galjaard - 2012-09-05 11:59

    "So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it." -Civil war. Guns n Roses :)

      johleneh - 2012-09-05 12:17

      "Some men you just can't reach" so true....

      graham.horn.505 - 2012-09-05 12:22

      Actually, those words come from the movie "Cool hand Luke". The phrase in the GNR song was an inserted audio clip directly from the movie. (Not that it's got anything to do with this story)

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:33

      .... and f*k*f polisiekar!!! ha ha

      dewald.galjaard - 2012-09-05 12:34

      @johleneh too true. thanks @graham. now on my must-see list.

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-05 12:03

    It appears that a lot of these miners are anxious to meet their ancestors!

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-05 12:14

      Good one!

  • kuvha.tshilamatanda - 2012-09-05 12:03

    it is just a pity that marikana mine big bosses earn more than R150 000 a month but they cant able to pay their workers salary of 12 500 a month,everything in life is becoming very expensive and this guys risk their lives everyday,going deep down in mine for R4500 salary,it is a shame!

      kagiso.ramasodi.5 - 2012-09-05 12:10

      The boss earns about R1.1mil a month!

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-09-05 12:11

      Only 150k? It is actually over 1.2m per month

      ahemsurferosa - 2012-09-05 12:12

      nope i disagree: you get paid what you are worth. blue collar pay for blue collar workers. how can unskilled workers all of a sudden DEMAND the same salaries as skilled, educated workers? only in africa...

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-09-05 12:18

      kuvha.tshilamatanda - They can work their way up the ladder as most people have to. Just depends on their ambition. They were not forced into the job - Mining has always been dangerous. These guys want to shoot their way to the top! it doesn't work that way!

      brian.exmachina - 2012-09-05 12:25

      Oh, they can probably afford to pay them that... if they fire 2/3 of the people who work there.

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-09-05 12:29

      @cliff.slabbert how clever, they must work their way up, Why? I know of people who jumped right on top of the ladder, I bet you know why? Their fathers act like the came with Minerals in this world. It is time to share. Infact 150k is an allowance they give to their recently graduated children that is if they ever got to university.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:35

      ...and what about Zooooma and Juli arse? How much do you think they earn????

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-09-05 12:39

      @wynlib good point, those who worked for the company for 10yrs must automatically be given shares, at least then they would know that if they continue striking like this their share value will be going down. BrianExmachina that is very bright call because after all that you would expect the mine to output the same minerals with less resources

      chuck.farley.104418 - 2012-09-05 13:02

      Please start a business and send me your finacials on a monthly basis Kuvha. I'm doing research for my new book "How to make a business fail" which is the sequel to "when complete morons run businesses"

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-09-05 12:04

    That's a serious fookin machete that man carries. You can lob off a man's head with that without much effort :o

      jpstrauss - 2012-09-05 12:21

      Or his lower jaw. Oh, wait...

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-09-05 12:56

      Never seen one like that. Wonder where he gets it?

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-09-05 12:04

    The police are unable to provide protection by ensuring law and order. Do not blame citizens from taking the law into their own hands in order to protect themselves. When the police do get it right to stop ruthless thugs with pangas and other weapons, they are made to be the villains. And who is to blame? The ANC government of course. Mahem and anarchy is already here!

      bophelo.malapela - 2012-09-05 12:25

      What has the ANC government done to bring this about. These are thugs and shud be dealt with as such, leave ANC out of it. Cops have powers in terms of the law an constitution to deal with these thugs

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-09-05 12:04

    Why is news 24 using pictures that are weeks old? The carrying of traditional weapons in protest actions and strikes should be banned, and outlawed across the country with immediate affect? Starting with ZUMA's spear. Pay the miners a living wage and expect a little less profit margins...... stop implicating the police in a labour dispute.

  • desertratbkf - 2012-09-05 12:05

    Bring in the good old yellow Samel and rubber bullets!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 12:31

      rubber?

      desertratbkf - 2012-09-05 12:34

      Sorry, did I say rubber?! Oops!

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-05 12:11

    All people against the cops please go to Marikana and take the place of the police! See how you will handel it! Go go now!!!!!!!!

      malesela.tshegela - 2012-09-05 13:10

      i have been to marikana since the begining of strike,there is nothing hactict.police are just cowered

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-05 13:30

      I hope you were on the side of the police and see it from their side. If not shudup because you are only one of 3000 plus fools. Mabe you can give us the resone behind the strick. Is it to make the mine ungovernable so that the Chinees can take over. If you are not working for the mine why are you part of the strik?

  • andre.burrows.92 - 2012-09-05 12:11

    Keep struggling comrades!

  • clint.rusford.3 - 2012-09-05 12:13

    u knw wats sad and scary? The fact that the police most likely were 2 afraid 2 stop the strikers frm marching up that hill.. They hav literaly been stripped of ther authority as protectors of the state.. Wats next?

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-05 12:13

    These miners are behaving like spoiled brats now.Medical Doctors went to school for 6 to 7 years and they save people's lives everyday yet some dont even earn R12.5 per month.Every job is important,so what makes these miners so special?..They should get over themselves.

      bophelo.malapela - 2012-09-05 12:22

      They risk their lives underground and have contributed to this economy

      michael.rampatla - 2012-09-05 12:25

      What ever they are digging is not that much important to u

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 12:27

      They should be sent to China for a few years. Call it a miner exchange.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-09-05 12:18

    Will it not be possible for President Zuma to send Mr. Malema to Robben Island for 27 years (he is committing some kind of treason, is he not)? That should give us enough time to rebuild our beloved South Africa. By the time Mr. Malema is finally transferred to Pollsmoor, his constituency will have vanished.

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-09-05 13:36

      dont think it is possible, usually black people dont force other people into forced exile on 10 square metre islands for exercising their freedom of expression

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-09-05 13:37

      usually, they just bring in incompetent, overweight other blacks who have been barely trained in the art of riot control without riot shields to kill the first batch of blacks. Enough black on black violence!

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-05 12:19

    Oh brother - this crap will never stop as these miners have no brains. R 12500.00 a month for an uneducated person? OH HEll wait our president is also uneducated, ah well then i guess thats okay! NOT!!!!!!! People who have actually STUDIED and also obtained certificates are stuggling to find jobs that will offer JUST that.

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-09-05 12:19

    Fire the lot of them. There are thousands of people in South Africa that is in need of work. Rather give them the opportunity to work.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:36

      Rather - open fire at them!

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-09-05 12:21

    To me it is unacceptable that the police failed to divert the miners. Why did they fail? I suspect because they did not receive the support from government or the public after acting in self defence during the miners original attack. So now they just won't do anything that might attract too much attention. Is this what we want? A police force too scared to act?

  • impi.masondo - 2012-09-05 12:22

    the miners are standing up for what is right

      ron.lawrance - 2012-09-05 12:54

      Maybe but not with those instruments of war. Only asking for trouble

  • anelle.booysen - 2012-09-05 12:22

    Clever people...bringing knives to a gun fight...

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:01

      Their intelligence is a cut-above... Where is Blade Nzimande?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:03

      looks like another Sharpeville....

  • ntombizodwa.letty - 2012-09-05 12:23

    Really really there is something with this miners, I don't believe that they are still in this rubbish. They dont learn really I wish the Lonmin closed the door for them not to enter ever again, so that they go n get a better say/ were they've got promise in. Mpumalanga once did that n they ended-up on street 2day, due to lack of understanding n co-operative. N please JACOB Zuma n juju must b infront so that when they start they must be able to stop them b4 anything happens to others n building without any bodyguard protecting them please.

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:38

      And yesterday it was reported that if Lonmin shuts down it`s mining operations approx. 40 000 people loose their jobs! Now that is a loose loose situation of ever I saw one?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:06

      loosely speaking, it's also a lose lose

  • marc.ross.965 - 2012-09-05 12:24

    You can take a miner out of the bush.... Where is the white rabbit when you need one?

      koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2012-09-05 12:36

      They killed it.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:07

      white Rabbit is a Bit Rare

  • klasgoran.olsson - 2012-09-05 12:24

    @Miners: Stop make threat to others. Why go with weapons? It would be much better negotiate. By doing so you will gain respect and dignity. You never have the right to give yourself the right to go on threating others and absolutely no with different kinds of weapons....Time to grew up by adopting the rules there are in a real democracy. Think of what rule model you wants to be for your children.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-09-05 12:25

    This is an example of Investors fed on Capitalism with no Human Face and unable to see that a servant eats food from from the Market Chains as the C E O and also bent on taking advantage(profiting Excessively) of iliterate workers with a culture of Violence, whose only commodity of sale is their LABOUR!!!!!! Abolish Labour Hire companies in the whole of SADC. Lonmin Bosses are making anarchist of Julius Malama to look more knowledgeable than the Clergy!! This is a dangerous powder cake with potential of Lonmine Mines economic suicice!!! Solve these Probs with the Help of Cosatu, the church and State. Aparthead is not dead except that it is illegal to practice it in its naked form!!! But Lonmine is benefiting through aparthead tactics!! Enough is enough with economic Explotation and injustice!!

      Steven Trollip - 2012-09-05 12:31

      F7 spell checker!!!!!!!!aparthead LOL

      Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:39

      ????? I smell a serious banana in this comment!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:08

      Can I get a Keg of this Powder Cake?

  • Joubs1957 - 2012-09-05 12:27

    The first embers of the fire of the revolution I would say! And what is Zooma and his cronies doing about all this? Zilch - I wonder if they realize that even if they try to - they cannot stop it. The "army" and the "police" are far less equipped now than in the "old days". They simply are not trained to do anything about all this crap!! Banana Republic

  • bomb.technician.5 - 2012-09-05 12:27

    First try the water cannon, then teargas, then rubber bullets, then a combination of all three. If the message is then still not clear, and they keep coming, then obviously their objective is to do physical harm to you and destroy property. Then selective shooting with live ammo. That's what you call situation escalation and management,.......and aim for the kneecaps. The first 5 drop squealing like pigs, the others will run like rabbits. If not, then flip the "S" on the rifle to "A" and go full out.

  • Goodstuff - 2012-09-05 12:28

    I guess the minning companies will have to fork up some decient salaries? Why should all the money go to foreign investers and fat cats. I'm not saying the way this is going is right, but the masses have spoken, they want better pay.

  • tracey.wheal.77 - 2012-09-05 12:29

    That great big bloody knife does not look like a traditional weapon to me.... more like something to fillet a whale with

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-09-05 12:29

    Unfortunately the cops's hands are now tied here. They will not do anything about this.

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-09-05 12:29

    Lonmin, go buy yourselves a whole bunch of mechanical hydraulic drills and retrench this crowd....simple as that.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-09-05 12:32

    I don't get this. Isn't there goal for this strike intended on higher wages??? Why are these miners focusing all there attention on the poor chaps who just want to work a honest days work to support there familys. Go and figure.

  • skmc01 - 2012-09-05 12:33

    The strange thing about all this that now the police are too afraid now to try uphold the law because they fear the public outcry....however the done in mine workers are allowed to run amock and cause mahem and intimidate their collegues and and and and and according to most, it is justifiable because they are suffering .........Bull!!! half of the animals don't even work for the mine......so what are they doing their in the first place.....why would you be marching if the outcome doesn't have an effect on your life, Solidarity......Crap!!! Why because you are mindless cause its a he said she said scenario........cause the man who hates the Maboer said you must......And people wonder why its called deepest darkest Africa, its because of the void between some of our inhabitants ears.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-09-05 13:23

      @skmc01 The police should never be afraid of upholding the law, they should however be afraid of allowing themselves to be roped into a labour dispute, that has enourmous political attachments to it. In the Lonmin case, I would ask where and when were these workers actually destroying property, burning tires, plundering or pillaging... they were on strike a strike claimed to be illegal by their employer even though more than half the workforce had downed tools and for the most part two weeks plus opted to occupy a rock, they sat there minding there own business, their business being a strike, a strike is legal in this country...and does not equate the necessity of any form of violent confrontation by security forces... lets face it, nobody knows who actually killed the security guards, or how the police were killed before the massacre, what is believed is what LONMIN claims to have happened, and in all likelihood when one starts to look at the bigger picture it seems clear that LONMIN, with its political, government and union leadership connections are without a doubt implicated in what can only be described as a conspiracy which led to the miners deaths, this solely in an attempt to enforce control over the labour in what they thought would ensure a quick fix, and perpetuate business as usual. It portrayed an arrogance, and a total breach of power which should have all those involved arrested and put through a public judicial trial.

  • enki.nibiru.58 - 2012-09-05 12:35

    Shoot the bastards!

      salani.hulela.7 - 2012-09-05 12:42

      The farmer.

  • Spittalsue - 2012-09-05 12:39

    There is just too great a divide between the haves and the havenots; R4500 a month as a wage is just not enough money to live on for anyone; can someone from the Mine tell us what the whole package is for these miners? Do any of you who have commented here earn as little?

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-05 12:52

      If you open your eyes and read news properly you would know that the wage claimed by miners is incorrect. Some of them have court orders against them and it is subtracted from their wages. If you live aboth your income it is not the employers falt. Their basic wages stands over R10 000 per month plus the get overtime and housing subsidy if they do not stay in accomodation provided by the mine. How many other people get that wages?

  • patient.mothiba - 2012-09-05 12:39

    I think Marikana saga is just a clear indication that Zuma's admin is taking this nowhere. He must do himself a huge favor by resigning, I mean even if he gets second nothing will improve. ANC needs five years self introspection (maybe giving DA a chance to undo things)

      Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-09-05 12:43

      What do you expect Zuma to do?

      wehan.victor - 2012-09-05 12:54

      @ Eric, Zuma should try being a leader for a change. Problem is, he can't.

      patient.mothiba - 2012-09-05 13:04

      @Eric, Marikana is not problem that our country is facing. Limpopo administration & textbook saga, why didn't he fire Cassel Mathale. Until today no one is accountable for failing to deliver. Marikana issue no need to blame apartheid, his cronnies are incharge...

  • mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-05 12:40

    Shoot to kill , as Susan said

  • allan.grant.142 - 2012-09-05 12:40

    As this is an illegal strike sue the shop stewards and the union for any damage caused

  • scooter.moepeng - 2012-09-05 12:45

    Police must shot them. those people on strike dont deserve to live.. nxa

      morwawaga.selebi - 2012-09-05 12:57

      what if ├Čt was u working dat risky job 4 4g. It might b beta dead.

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-09-05 12:47

    think they must throw zuma in the middle of these people,they will beat the SH*T out of him

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-09-05 12:49

    Kill them ....

  • ron.lawrance - 2012-09-05 12:51

    Sorry. You charge me with that I will shoot!!!!!

  • philschalkwyk - 2012-09-05 12:56

    Malema should take responsibility for the results of this action. He should actually be charged with incitement.

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:02

      The Govt is too scared to do anything to Juju

  • cheers.perez - 2012-09-05 13:07

    Who does the most physical work in the mines excavating a valuable commodity, under what conditions and for what sort of pay? Who would work in those conditions and say, "Well, it's because I can't read and write very well so I have to take whatever is on offer,thank you." Is every striking miner violent and intent on causing malicious damage? Are any of them decent family men?

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-05 13:12

      Hmmm - you might want to look at conditions in countries like China! Funny how so many people in Zim Moz etc. would give their eye teeth to have the jobs and pay that the miners do. Fact of the matter is that if the mine is not profitable, there will be NO JOBS. Platinum mines are barely breaking even in SA as it is.

  • takalani.prince - 2012-09-05 13:09

    God bless the ........... before they are killed ,AMEN !!

      malesela.tshegela - 2012-09-05 13:16

      i dnt think they wil be killed again by the so called police whom dnt have skills,all police must go back to training including their boss rea

  • aphiwe.mayola - 2012-09-05 13:18

    I say Bantu Holomisa has always understood the struggle of the masses, he may not say what they want 2 hear nec but I believe he'd speak a lot of sense n try 2 find a way forward that's not so messy. He had always brought up the problems with the ruling party however many people ignored him coz @ the time many thought they'd also get a chance to ride the gravy train. Sadly it did not work like that, only a few, well connected n affiliated get that ride while the rest of us suffer.

  • malesela.tshegela - 2012-09-05 13:20

    Go on guys only boys wil go back and men wil fight for their rights

  • teresa.strauss.39 - 2012-09-05 13:23

    At the end of the day how much are the cops earning and they have to protect and serve a nation that is forever in dispute. Who protects their families while they are protecting us? Plus they are putting their lives for a fight that is not theirs.