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Cops fear scene at Marikana contaminated - report

2012-09-11 19:53

Johannesburg - Police have confirmed that a man's body was found near Lonmin's Marikana mine, not far from where striking miners have been gathering, but there are concerns that the scene may have been contaminated.

"I can confirm that a body of a man was found 300m away from where the miners usually meet, on the western side of the koppie," said Brigadier Thulani Ngubane.

Ngubane said the man, wearing black pants, appeared to have been hit with a sharp object at the back of his head.

He said police were at the scene and it was not known what had happened to the man.

"Whether killed yesterday or this afternoon we have no information," he added.

But Jacaranda FM tweeted that police fear the scene has been contaminated.

According to @Jacanews, "Police say possible contamination of the scene, will be investigated."

Sapa had reported that as journalists raced towards the spot where the body was said to have been found, the leaders of the protesters told everyone to move away from the scene.

A Sapa reporter saw a picture of the body, taken by a news cameraman.

The photograph showed deep cuts at the back of the man's neck

Standoff

Tuesday afternoon saw a standoff between policemen and protesters at the Andrew Saffy Memorial Hospital in Marikana.

A throng of protesters marched to the hospital in the afternoon, from an open space near the hill where 34 people were killed in a confrontation with police on 16 August.

As the protesters, carrying pangas, knobkerries, golf clubs, arrows, and spears, approached, police barricaded the hospital's entrance with four armoured Nyala vehicles. A police helicopter hovered overhead. A private security company's vehicle was parked nearby.

One of the workers' leaders, Loyiso Mtsheketshe, said they wanted to instruct the hospital to stop discharging injured miners into police custody.

A protester claimed the police instructed hospitals to tell them when wounded mineworkers were discharged, and arrested them then - some even before they left the hospital premises.

The group marched around the hospital and split into groups before returning to the open space near the hill.

CCMA

The Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA) met employee representatives in Rustenburg on Tuesday, as the strike at Lonmin entered its second month.

"A meeting was held with the employee delegation [accompanied by the clergy] at the CCMA offices in Rustenburg. At this stage we cannot confirm the contents of the meeting," CCMA spokesperson Nersan Govender said.

This followed an aborted attempt at wage negotiations on Monday, when just under 7% of employees reported for work.

Under a peace accord signed by three unions representing some of the 28 000 employees at the platinum mine last week, it was agreed that wage negotiations would be re-opened, but only if the strike ended.

The Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union did not sign the accord, but did arrive for wage talks on Monday.

Its members waited in vain, with the National Union of Mineworkers, Solidarity, Uasa, and Lonmin management, for representatives of a splinter group of workers to arrive.

Comments
  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-09-11 20:04

    "As the protesters, carrying pangas, knobkerries, golf clubs, arrows, and spears" What civilised country would put up with protesters being armed like this....None! The way this whole fiasco has been handled is nothing short of pathetic. It is doing irrevocable harm to South Africa in every sense of the word. Our Government is weak and pathetic!

      Legohead1 - 2012-09-11 20:11

      Your right its doing south Africa no good. I know two people that have cancelled there holiday to SA because they see these \people\ with clubs and big knifes in the street .

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-11 20:54

      "One of the workers' leaders, Loyiso Mtsheketshe,said they wanted to instruct the hospital to stop discharging injured miners into police custody." Does this person even knows how ridiculous that sounds? The police are there to protect and serve their communities and if that means questioning a mob with machetes,pangas and knobkerries then so be it.The police act for general good of the wider South African public so why a individual like this encouraging the hospital staff to not release miners to be questioned by the police? You are not the Attorney General or the Special Investigation Unit that has the power to call for or block suchlike actions. It just completely benumbs me to think that such a leader would even consider telling a hospipital to do such things.

      tomupeyishe.gwata.7 - 2012-09-11 21:30

      lonmin management will act only when one of them is killed, for now they don't care. The government also want the figure to rise to 100 a round figure before taking action. The figure is now 46, we now ask, how many more police commissioner? How many more minister Mtetwa, how many more Mr President? How many? How many?Is this the democracy? Is this the freedom? Where is the law?

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-09-12 07:03

      LOL Karl.

  • freddie.mostert.3 - 2012-09-11 20:07

    Wtf u complaining about!!? Nothing new!

  • Derek - 2012-09-11 20:07

    I'll tell you what, when you charge a bunch of people with murder and then let them off without a trial you show that you are flaccid, and then there are the ones that march out ready to go and do something like this. So the poor guy didn't want to strike, so he got struck. Well done NPA, it seems the ANC has made you its b!tch.

      yossarian.crake - 2012-09-11 20:29

      I don't understand why the police are bothered that the scene was contaminated. I’m pretty sure this should not interfere with the investigatory process in South Africa. It normally follows these steps. 1: Collect the evidence. 2: Disregard the evidence 3: Wet finger, place said finger in the air to determine the direction of the political breeze. 4: Prosecute 5: Wait 6 to 8 months 6: See if people still care to see if a trial is in order. 7: Sentence prison term and release on the same day. 8:???????? 9: Profit

  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-11 20:11

    Was this man one who did not agree with what the others were doing?

  • hendrik.breed - 2012-09-11 20:13

    Julias, more blood on your hands..

  • ivan.ferreira - 2012-09-11 20:15

    WTF is Zuma doing about this whole situation???

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-11 20:29

      Pretending not to notice that way he doesn't have to do anything.

      thando.gqabaza - 2012-09-11 20:37

      looking for another wife...

      bernpm - 2012-09-11 21:31

      just asking religious leaders to speak to their flock......not bad for a commie! Called transformation????

      rowen.loretz - 2012-09-11 21:52

      steeking another wife

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-09-12 07:05

      Ivan he is busy blaming it on apartheid!!

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-09-11 20:19

    Another murder not investigated just like the 10 due to contamination they all know it won't stand up in court!!! If I were one of the victim's family I would sue the Union for murder seeing the culprits will never be brought to book!!!!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-11 20:30

      What would you sue them for numbskull?

      yossarian.crake - 2012-09-11 20:52

      Vivacious liability- These members were killed during the duties expected them under the orders of the Unions. When the miners are killed during the course of the work they are entitled to a death benefit and the employer is held liable. The union has a mandate, a clear structure and influence over the actions of their members....why shouldn’t they be held liable? We have already seen precedent when the union were ordered to pay for property damage they cause when protesting in one of the CBD. I think there is a case for the victim’s family....numbskull. Personally, I would love to see the families take those unions to court.

  • marlene.hitchcock.9 - 2012-09-11 20:21

    These murderers don't understand what democracy is, or freedom of choice. How can people kill someone in such a barbaric way just because he might not agree with him. Yesterday the police had to save someone being chased by this mob. This is not a genuine protest. Its a group of thugs, using this strike for their own gains. I pity the people that do want to go to work, but cant, for fear of their lives, and are therefore labelled the same as these murderous thugs. They initially may have had a legitimate reason, such as second pay rise, for the strike, but now this violence has tainted everything. When the mine closes down, everyone loses, except union bosses and Mandela. They just go on to the next fight for their own gain.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-11 21:20

      @Marlene. Agree 100%.The fact that it says in the article above that:"One of the workers' leaders, Loyiso Mtsheketshe,said they wanted to instruct the hospital to stop discharging injured miners into police custody." shows one that they don't even know how ridiculous they sound. The police are there to protect and serve their communities and if that means questioning a mob with machetes,pangas and knobkerries then so be it.The police act for the general good of the wider South African public so why an individual like would this Loyiso Mtsheketshe be encouraging the hospital staff to not release miners to be questioned by the police,is beyond civilized. Loyiso Mtsheketshe is not anything like an Attorney General or part of Special Investigation Unit investigating polics actions that has the power to call for or block suchlike actions. It just completely benumbs me to think that such a leader would even consider telling a hospipital to do such things.

      mandla.bambo - 2012-09-11 23:04

      they cannot go to school to improve their qualifications.\r\nMost illiterate people are so stubborn

  • billy.wyllie - 2012-09-11 20:22

    WTF???? protest at Hospital take the Attention Away from the scene and Brutally kill an innocent person

      herman.heil - 2012-09-11 21:39

      inocent?

  • madoda.monamudi - 2012-09-11 20:22

    Obvious 12 thousands people walk on top of exhibit there is nothing Cops can do, even if they arrest the miners human right is there to free the miners so what? Also the watchdog IPID is there to charge the Police. So miners have right to cary spears,pangas,sharp object and to kill innocent lives.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-11 20:34

      Point made, even if English is a language you are not comfortable with. The Police need to disarm the strikers and enforce the law. They are free to strike they are free to protest peacefully. They may not intimidate anyone or commit acts of violence or destroy property. Unfortunately the Police are incompetent, ill trained, ill equipped and poorly lead.

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-09-11 20:23

    Please 'leaders' take control how many people must be killed by these marikana beasts before you declare an emergency and deploy us soldiers so we can sort those things out we are ready!!!!

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-09-11 20:57

      charles.gregory.7906 do you have any idea in what pathetic state the South African defense force finds it selve in ? And i am confident that they will refuse to go againts their own, remember what the soldiers did when they went on strike a few years ago, burning police vehicles and caused havock at the union building

      mandla.bambo - 2012-09-11 22:53

      another one with small brains. You may be a solder but your brains are as small as a chicken. What about the image of the country? Economy? Don't you think it's enough? Of cause you won't, chicken brains.

  • joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-11 20:28

    This is really shocking...

  • grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-09-11 20:32

    The police said the man had been stabed in the back of the head whilst the reporters photo shows wounds to the neck. Mute point maybe but it would be nice if the police could get the facts right before making statements. What is the area suspected of being contaminated with? Muti?

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-09-11 20:41

    LONMIN SOLVE THIS IMPASSE,WITHOUT SECURITY U WILL CLOSE.

  • george.pito - 2012-09-11 20:49

    Hey seems like the police now bailing out. Isnt it obvious that the crime scene will be contaminated. In doin the comtmination a new scene and evidence get created. If I read this all I somehow think maybe there was reasons why people at that time said we dont want to be part of what was happening and it it became apartheid. How about the new tycoons Ramaphosa or Sekwale go there and talk to them. Or maybe they dont have the guts now and also dont want to be part of this now. Zuma, Mbeki FW Tutu Zille nobody wants to get involved so JuJu moved in.

  • deicide - 2012-09-11 21:01

    barbaric!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • willem.pelser.9 - 2012-09-11 21:13

    Why no out cry when these miners kill some one threaten and do as they please but when the police defend themself from these miners who have already killed two policemen and 9 of there own there is a out cry , so it seams its ok for the miners to kill each other and the sad thing is the police can't do there job , because if they do they seen as the evil well I really think the ANC needs to wake up and stop Malema and these miners befor they destroy what's left of our country poeple need to understand the only way to earn more money is to work hard and educate yourself there are many ways to do this poeple who are too lazy to work hard and learn deserve to work for peanuts

      Vanessa Rivas - 2012-09-12 04:57

      i have i strong feeling that this will end bad!

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-09-11 21:20

    Bring your machine gun Zuma. Umshini wam, Umshini wam! Can you now see why everybody advised against acting like a rabid tit a couple of years ago!?

  • Meister01 - 2012-09-11 21:31

    It is time the police starts firing real bulets at these barbarians again.

  • raymond.sebeela - 2012-09-11 21:36

    I support the strike, but the killings must stop

      mandla.bambo - 2012-09-11 22:34

      ok bro Ray, we all support strike. But what about retrechment which we will be facing next year? Because it has been said long before this strike take place. Many people are going to loose their jobs.

  • herman.heil - 2012-09-11 21:38

    Who cares

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-11 21:39

    Give some former SADF members some weapons and watch them sort this mess out.

      mandla.bambo - 2012-09-11 22:29

      U have no brains. You better not waste your time by commenting because we already know who you are. You are just like those striking miners. You all don't use your brains, they use pangas and knobkkies to lead their families into poverty instead. You don't differ with them. Using SADF is a solution? You better train that small brain of yours to be carefull.\r\nSouth Africa don't need idiots to lead it. It need people with strong mentality, political and social tolerance. \r\nOnce you talk about a war you are an idiot. Once you ask for a job and after getting one start controlling your employer, you want to choose bigger fish which was meant for your boss, you are an idiot.

  • weezy.loving.bby - 2012-09-11 22:28

    Some people find the thought of blood being spilled as a solution.... They percieve a haulocast as a righteous act.... The question is what message will we be sending to the rest of the world as a country... If we cause another blood bath... 1st June 16, then the Zimophobic attacks, and u suggesting another massacre on the Mirakana inscident... We need to grow up as a country, stop dropping the ball... And start recognising the real problem... The real problem is with mine itself and not meeting out their employees demands... If they paid them we wouldn't be in this dead lock...and attention seekers such as Malema should not speak nor represent our voices... Since they speak of negatives and never speak of having a possible solution to this situation

  • jacques.alberts - 2012-09-11 22:35

    We r fighting 4 our kids!!!!! Anything wrong about our concern???????

  • foreignem - 2012-09-11 22:38

    this is now frightening! if people continue to protest possessing machets and others die that misteriously! Lonmill must resolve the wage problem so that the country can reclaim the reign of law. It seems the machet wilding strikers have now become law unto themselves and we never know where it will lead if the wage impasse prolongs! I don't envy our government leaders in this situation. I am not passing judgment, but the mining companies must succumb to the R12 500 wages that the miners demand and others died for - it is a legitimate demand - it's called a give and take in labour dispute resolution dialogues. Or are we going to see remote controls beginning to drill the menerals in the mines - seems mathematics and science learners and educators must up their game. me imagining 1 remote control operator drilling minerals from his/her office on a day shift and the other taking over on a night shift. Hey, I being very wishful here. Sory, my someone just smacked my face for making noise, seems i was dreaming very loud and disturbing her sleep.

      weezy.loving.bby - 2012-09-11 22:43

      the mine is run by an idiot who provoke an irritated mob.... That will do anything to satisfy their wants.... The mine is not acting professionally thus endangering us the public... How can u possibly go back 2 work... When strike demands aren't met

  • jacques.alberts - 2012-09-11 22:44

    Come and see.......... We keep your comp running,Your car's running,Your food on the table,../? And what r you doing 4 me??

  • mandla.bambo - 2012-09-11 23:30

    What surprises me is that they all kept quite. No one is trying to rescue the situation at Lonmin. Now we are scared to go to work. All they do is talk talk and talk. No one seems to care. All they do is to blame others. Heavy rules are imposed on good citizens, but on ther other hand criminals are treated with respect. When they're ill they are taken to hospitals with victims' expenses called tax.\r\nDuring elections, they are the first to wake up while we are asleep. One has the right to carry dangerous weapon in public, having a beer in public is a punishable offence. Yah! Too tough.\r\n COME 2014 COME !

  • anton.debeer.3701 - 2012-09-11 23:50

    "One of the workers' leaders, Loyiso Mtsheketshe, said they wanted to instruct the hospital to stop discharging injured miners into police custody." Ok so now they are the law now.

  • antionette.oberholzer - 2012-09-12 01:46

    Please send me an e-mail address for HR - I know of some people interested in vacant positions.

  • samantha.ungerer.1 - 2012-09-12 08:23

    This wont end, the workers wont back down as Malema is just putting petrol to the fire

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-12 08:42

    one should ask himself where is the leadership (government) during this times, i havent seen the Minister of Minerals coming to difuse this situation but if it was a matter of investors she would have assured them by now that all is under control - come on Lady Minister dont take this thing for granted and of course the less said about the President the better - ABZ

  • francois.crous.54 - 2012-09-12 08:43

    shoot all of these lawless fu**ers!!! line em up an mow em down...

  • flysouth - 2012-09-12 10:36

    The utter irresponsibility of the ANC authorities (I simply cannot bring myself to use the term 'government' anymore!) is shocking. They constantly fail to apply the law as it stands in the form the the Dangerous Weapons Act, laws relating to illegal gatherings, intimidation, brandishing of weapons in public and so on, in favour of tolerating these displays of insurrections. They should and must apply whatever force is needed using whatever forces such as SANDF to arrest strikers breaking the law. The consequences of this may well be many more deaths amongst the strikers, given the mood of the so-called strikers, but that is not relevant. Failing to apply law now will lead to much worse later - as it did just before August 16th.

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-09-12 11:18

    Only deduct UIF, TAX, Stop the rest of the deductions and pay a reasonable salary then all this will stop. They earn R11000 but take home R4000 what's wrong with this picture.

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